Mini 828 - ProzacMod 3 - Lost Mafia - Over

xRECKONERx · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:13 pm

/confirm

xRECKONERx · Post Post #22 (isolation #1) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:26 am

Vote: canadianbovine

Because I think I crashed your plane, brotha!

xRECKONERx · Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:11 pm

Threat? The biggest threats are the scum, obviously. I'm not sure what you mean...

CB, I think it's fate. We're destined to be together. Oh, look - fate - a Lost theme!
And that quote was Desmond from S2.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #33 (isolation #3) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:19 pm

VP Baltar wrote:Threat, as in formidable opponent.

Seeing as how any of the people playing could be on my own side, I don't see anyone as a "formidable opponent". Except Drench. I'm madly in love with Drench so I'd never be able to vote him

xRECKONERx · Post Post #36 (isolation #4) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:08 pm

I also don't like the pushing for a Lockewagon. RV on Locke, okay. Pushing for a wagon on the basis of obvious scum, no.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #45 (isolation #5) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:12 pm

EmpTyger wrote:Reckoner:
xRECKONERx [36] wrote:I also don't like the pushing for a Lockewagon. RV on Locke, okay. Pushing for a wagon on the basis of obvious scum, no.
Who has been “pushing for a wagon on the basis of obvious scum”, rather than RVing?

Umm...

Jebus wrote:Come on, guys, Locke is obviously scum. Get on this wagon GOGOGO!

xRECKONERx · Post Post #47 (isolation #6) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:01 pm

Because that wasn't the post he voted in.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #57 (isolation #7) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:43 am

Jebus, is that a serious vote?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #87 (isolation #8) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:46 am

EmpTyger wrote: Reckoner:
That’s not what I meant. I’m asking why you thought that Jebus’s declaration (on p2, within the first 24 hours of game start) that a player (who hasn’t yet posted) was “obviously scum” was significantly more serious than RVing.

Which I still want to know.

Jebus wrote:Hello, still on S1 here <3

And
Vote: Locke Lamora

Wagon gogogo!

Jebus wrote:Come on, guys, Locke is obviously scum. Get on this wagon GOGOGO!

xRECKONERx wrote:I also don't like the pushing for a Lockewagon. RV on Locke, okay. Pushing for a wagon on the basis of obvious scum, no.

Read. For. Yourself.
I never said I didn't like joke votes or anything of the sort, I said I didn't like how he was pushing for a wagon like that, especially since his first post was a confirm, his second was that random vote, and his third was just "Get on this wagon". I didn't like it.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #114 (isolation #9) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:41 am

Jesus.

Both of you calm the fuck down.

I agree with Zoneace, his wagon is rather bullshit.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #127 (isolation #10) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:42 am

Metas are worthless imo.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #157 (isolation #11) » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:14 pm

Jason is definitely setting in my crosshairs...

Unvote, Vote: Jason

xRECKONERx · Post Post #163 (isolation #12) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:52 am

Unwarranted bandwagon powers... ACTIVATE!

Form of... VP Baltar and CDB!

xRECKONERx · Post Post #165 (isolation #13) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:07 am

The reasoning is simple, and at the risk of sounding like the pot calling the kettle black...

You hammered on the discussion on Zoneace being "late to the party" on serious discussion, which I think was very gun-jumping of you.

And in your unbearable back and forth with Zoneace, I got frustrated townie vibes from him, while I got the "calm and collected scum" vibe from you.

Also, WTF.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #170 (isolation #14) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:19 pm

^ That gave me an idea:

CDB's wiki wrote: Mafia Godfather: P1 W1 L0 A0

Mafia Goon: P13 W5 L5 A3

Mafia Doctor: P1 W0 L1 A0

Mafia Roleblocker: P1 W0 L1 A0

Serial Killer: P4 W0 L4 A0

Cult Leader: P2 W0 L2 A0

Vanilla Town: P18 W4 L10 A4

Cop: P3 W2 L1 A0

Doctor: P4 W1 L2 A1

Mason: P2 W1 L1 A0

Vigilante: P0 W0 L0 A0

Miller: P1 W1 L0 A0

Tracker: P1 W1 L0 A0

Cop/Vig: P1 W0 L1 A0

Miller/Bomb: P1 W1 L0 A0

Double Voter: P1 W0 L1 A0

Magistrate: P1 W0 L1 A0

Quagmire: P1 W0 L0 A1

MillerVig: P1 W0 L1 A0

Backup Hacker: P1 W1 L0 A0

Mafia Usurper (mafia=town flavour): P1 W0 L1 A0

So, if he's very good with it, meaning he's done well with it before, that'd make me assume... Mafia Goon. >_>

xRECKONERx · Post Post #173 (isolation #15) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:09 pm

Oh. I took it to mean he's skilled with the particular role. I didn't really buy into it anyway, hence the ">_>" afterward.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #180 (isolation #16) » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:14 am

We can't go off much more than vibes on D1 unless someone just fucks up royally.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #183 (isolation #17) » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:27 am

Holy shit, I just realized that VPB was editing CDB's post to add in "very" and I apparently read "vote" as "role". I really totally missed that. I guess that's what happens when I try to play Mafia while drinking.

Holy fail. Wow. I'm still kinda blown away by that.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #189 (isolation #18) » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:26 pm

4 votes that quick on me?

L. O. L.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #204 (isolation #19) » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:28 am

So, I'm scum for... voting jason, despite posting a case when asked to, and misreading a quote by Baltar?

Yeah. Wagon reeks of scum. Time to sniff him out. Oh, wait, hello Jason. Already found him.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #205 (isolation #20) » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:28 am

By the way, I'll be V/LA through Monday. I'm on a writer's retreat for the weekend so most of my time will be devoted to it.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #206 (isolation #21) » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:33 am

By the by, V/LA till Monday, on a retreat this weekend, may be able to check in occasionally.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #216 (isolation #22) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:26 pm

So. That's me at L-2, for anyone not keeping track. Can we find a better wagon please?

I'll be back from V/LA tomorrow and be able to give this game more attention.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #229 (isolation #23) » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:02 am

I'm good with my vote. It'd be nice to have an actual case against which I can defend myself instead of just "Reckoner's play is scummy" followed by votes.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #232 (isolation #24) » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:17 am

Locke Lamora wrote:They are all scummy, for reasons I quite clearly explained. I indicated my doubts about Reckoner even when I put my vote on Jason. It's not as though I suddenly just changed my mind and went for him to get on the wagon. Reckoner's last post made it sound as though he's not even taking things seriously; I think it warranted extra pressure.

I didn't see anything scummy re: LL until this post. He seems to be reading too hard into my mix-up with the posts. I can see the "Oh, okay, I don't believe that he actually misread the posts" bit. But what I don't buy is him trying to make it sound like I'm not taking this game seriously due to the mix-up.

Locke Lamora wrote:VP: in the context of a player freaking out and being abusive over a few votes, I think it's a good decision to step away from the game. Given that Zoneace often adopts that kind of attitude from players and that his decision to step away came not earlier in the argument but when attention had shifted to Jason, I found it made him a little scummier. With regards to voting Reckoner, I thought that his following everyone onto the Jason wagon and not really doing any original scumhunting, as well as making that pointless post about roles.

And here again, his only two reasons for voting me are one that I jumped on the Jason wagon "without reason" (despite giving my reasons a few posts later), and two that I had that mix up with the posts. While I don't think LL is scummier than Jason, I'm going to be keeping my eye on him for sure. Why, what do YOU think about LL?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #255 (isolation #25) » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:30 pm

VP Baltar wrote:What is the scum motivation for trying to move the game forward out of the RVS? How exactly is this jumping the gun? What should jason have waited for to make his vote on zone appropriate in your eyes?

The reasoning wasn't solid, I'm saying. Scum motivation for trying to move the game out of RVS isn't there, but neither is any solid reasoning.

VPB wrote:
And in your unbearable back and forth with Zoneace, I got frustrated townie vibes from him, while I got the "calm and collected scum" vibe from you.
Not everyone plays as calm scum or acts like they have an aneurism when they are town...and since you don't believe in meta, this means a whole pile of squat.

Hey, guess what, you can get vibes from people without knowing their meta. I know, crazy, right? Because some Mafia players like myself don't have time to read through pages of old games just to memorize someone's playstyle.

Also, WTF.
A misreading of a mistake is somehow unconvincing as a scumtell.

I failed to see how that was a misreading of a mistake. I still don't get it, actually. And, furthermore, I believe the question I asked was "What the Fuck?". As in, "Want to explain this?".

tl,dr-Your reasons for voting Jason are heavily padded and it was a very opportunistic wagon to try and get on at that time.

Or, I agreed with the wagon and added some ADDITIONAL things that were bothering me re: Jason.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #257 (isolation #26) » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:53 pm

ZONEACE, I misread the post which prompted me to bring up CDB's wiki entry.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #262 (isolation #27) » Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:51 pm

"So?"

So, my post wasn't just trying to appear town. If he had actually said "I'm very good with my role" like I thought he said, then my method of investigating would have been perfectly applicable.

It really makes no sense to say you're voting me primarily because of that slip up.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #264 (isolation #28) » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:46 pm

ZONEACE wrote:
xRECKONERx wrote:ZONEACE, I misread the post which prompted me to bring up CDB's wiki entry.
so?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #280 (isolation #29) » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:15 am

I'd like to hear what VPB thought of my response to his case on me.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #282 (isolation #30) » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:08 am

*sigh* There's no pleasing you, is there, Baltar?

1. I wouldn't say that "moving the game along" is a town motivation. Moving the game along towards a scum lynch, sure. But scum motivation can be moving the game along towards a town lynch. It's a null tell, really.

2. Pretty ballsy to say that my vibes are flat-out wrong without having any sort of role knowledge.

3. Ah, I didn't even remotely grasp that... thanks.

4. I'll admit that I voted him for primarily regurgitated reasoning (hence me not posting any additional reasons at first) and when I went back to re-read jason's iso, I saw a few extra things that hadn't been brought up that I wanted answered.

5. Well, at least we can both agree on that one.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #286 (isolation #31) » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:29 pm

I have nothing else to really say to VPB. I think his case on me is very thin.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #289 (isolation #32) » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:54 pm

What ABOUT CDB and ZONEACE?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #299 (isolation #33) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:46 am

Hey, so, how about I go ahead and get this over with since it seems like I'm going to inevitably be put at L-1 and I have to work tonight:

I'm the cop.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #302 (isolation #34) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:41 am

No, I didn't. I didn't really think I'd be pushed to the brink of claiming on D1, and was also too busy defending myself to even think about breadcrumbing.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #307 (isolation #35) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:51 am

I'm Kate Austen, currently the guardian of Claire's son Aaron, and I'm a basic cop that receives simple guilty or innocent results. That's the extent of the flavor.

Furthermore, I just answered a question for Kate for the next "episode", and I chose something that doesn't happen in the actual episode it is based on, just in case that comes up and you need further proof.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #318 (isolation #36) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:15 pm

I didn't "breadcrumb" Desmond. Desmond's just my favorite character from the show so I quoted him in the RVS. I haaaate Kate, I couldn't name one of her quotes if I wanted to.

The question was about whether or not I give Aaron to her real mother or if I bring her back to the island with me.

I don't think the Kate flavor fits with a cop either, though the flavor mentioned a quick line about the marshall dying in the plane crash, so maybe it's kinda like... the real cop died, so Kate takes his place? I dunno.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #328 (isolation #37) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:16 pm

I don't know why we'd need two cops. It's not like I'm a cop that can only investigate on odd nights or even nights or something. I'm a cop, straight up, and I can investigate people every night and get a guilty result.

To say I'm scummy because I used "the" instead of "a" is too much. My role PM said I'm "a" cop, but I'm willing to bet that unless I'm paranoid or insane, I'm the only cop.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #329 (isolation #38) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:18 pm

Also: The Marshall dies timeline-wise in the crash. He's not really present for anything else. Assuming Season Six doesn't do what we all have expected it to do, but that's another discussion.

Basic set-up is that I was a fugitive, the marshall is dead, and now I'm in custody of Claire's son Aaron.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #331 (isolation #39) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:10 pm

Nope. I think it's just to establish Kate's placement in Season 5.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #347 (isolation #40) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:14 am

@Emp:

In that game, my name was not "Vigilante", it was "Mafia Hitman". In this game, it's just plain "cop". No spicy flavor to it.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #351 (isolation #41) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:09 am

I still don't quite get the question thrown at me, then.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #353 (isolation #42) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:38 am

No. But I responded that I don't hand Aaron over, I keep him and take him to the Island with me, and that wasn't really mentioned in today's episode.

Anyway, I was referring to the question of my claiming in the other game.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #358 (isolation #43) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:07 pm

@EmpTyger:

Except, by that point, we had established that there were pairs in the game, and so I didn't necessarily disbelieve the claim. Oh, and he turned out to be a roleblocker just like me.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #362 (isolation #44) » Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:25 am

I said I find it odd, because I don't THINK there should be two town roleblockers. I *never* voted against the other roleblocker, though, because I strangely believed his claim.

By the way, why are you wasting time with absolutely useless nitpicking about a different game, again? Because I said "the" instead of "a"? Jeez.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #367 (isolation #45) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:33 pm

VP Baltar makes a compelling case. Come now, EmpTyger, let's see some real scumhunting instead of wasting time by pressuring me on the minute details about a completely different game.

Unvote, Vote: EmpTyger

xRECKONERx · Post Post #369 (isolation #46) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:53 pm

Um, I'll tell you where it came from:

I didn't have any restrictions to using my powers, I wasn't odd night or even night cop, I wasn't Day Cop or Night cop, nothing. I was just a plain old cop. Sorry for "assuming" and using the wrong article. Jesus H Christ, get off it.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #380 (isolation #47) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:04 pm

Yeah, I'm still partial to a Jason lynch...

xRECKONERx · Post Post #386 (isolation #48) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:18 am

@ VPB:

I never stopped wanting Jason lynched, I just wanted EmpTyger lynched more. I said I'm still

partial

to a Jason lynch, meaning I'd happily lynch either of them.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #390 (isolation #49) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:03 am

I didn't mean I'd get a "guilty" result, I mean I'd receive the result of whether or not they were guilty.

Also, it's not wishy washy, Jason, because I never became un-suspicious of you. Tyger was just being the louder scumbag.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #393 (isolation #50) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:45 am

At the moment, VPB, I think EmpTyger is scummier because of his "scumhunting" which in my opinion is just him not doing much but trying to appear helpful. Stuff like his pressuring me to explain my actions in another game that really have no effect on this game, or the pressuring of the "a" vs. "the" issue for forever. I contend, however, that if EmpTyger were to turn up town, I'd be going after Jason next.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #396 (isolation #51) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:18 pm

Hey, CKD, do you even read?

I think Emp is scummier, but should Emp be town, I support Jason's lynch.

God, I swear people don't even use logic.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #412 (isolation #52) » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:51 am

VP Baltar wrote:Dear Everyone,

Stop talking about breadcrumbing.

Thanks,

The Management

This.

Also, let me get something straight:

I'm not assuming that EmpTyger is going to turn up town. When I said "should he turn up town" I was specifically referencing the idea that he might claim a town power role or something when at L-1, thus I would switch my vote back to Jason. I think they're both very scummy, though, and given

the information that we have RIGHT NOW

, I'd support a lynch of either.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #456 (isolation #53) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:18 am

1. Richard Applet =/= Richard Alpert
2. Why the bolded red font to describe his claim?
3. In S5, Alpert wasn't really the doctor. He took Ben into a temple and supposedly healed him even though we never saw Ben again the rest of that season, and when he patched up Locke's leg, he was just doing what Futurelocke was telling him to do. Richard doesn't fit the doctor claim IMO.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #457 (isolation #54) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:19 am

EBWOP:

4. If we're going by flavor, why would Richard be on the same team as, say, Kate? Wouldn't THE OTHERS be the bad guys while the SURVIVORS would be the good guys? Unless it's Losties vs. Dharma flavor.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #459 (isolation #55) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:26 am

Actually, she spends no time in trouble with the law in S5. She does, however, spend her time investigating who it is that is trying to take Aaron from her.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #525 (isolation #56) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:51 pm

Unvote, Vote: Jebus

Re-read. On my way to Inglorious Basterds. On phones browswer. Will post full case when i return

xRECKONERx · Post Post #549 (isolation #57) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:54 pm

Santos wrote:Also, if we're to follow the currently proposed route of lynching RECKONER today, then the scum have it easy taking out the 'claimed doctor'.

IMO, if Jason lives tonight, then it only casts more suspicion on himself. Right now he is in a lose/lose situation with only the possibility of protecting someone like the cop. I vote we leave him alone for today as well as the claimed cop and go after someone else.

ZONEACE, would you play this entire game believing scum have safe claims?

This is a good point.

Anyway, just got back from the movie. It's fucking 4am so I'm not going to even try and make sense of 3-5 pages worth of stuff right now. Tomorrow sometime.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #565 (isolation #58) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:57 pm

So.

I got "no result". In addition, I am told that now I am back on the island (?) so I have no need to investigate now and am now vanilla.

What role can take away someone else's power?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #572 (isolation #59) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:31 pm

Nope, not a role made of bullshit. It kinda makes sense though: the flavor I received via PM said that I'm back on the island, which means I gave up my investigative role. That fits with the flavor I was thinking yesterday of Kate investigating who is trying to take Aaron from her off-island.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #573 (isolation #60) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:33 pm

EBWOP:

I totally forgot my target. I investigated VP Baltar. And I think given the characters, a thief could be perfect. Would one of the characters not fit the thief flavor? Or maybe I was just a one-shot cop and wasn't told I was? I have no idea what kind of altered roles can appear - this is honestly my first themed game other than my first one here (Robot Chicken Mafia), and I had no clue what was going on during that one.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #575 (isolation #61) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:02 pm

Sweet. *looks at quickly-building wagon* Eenie... meenie... miney...

Vote: EmpTyger

Scum.

Jason was town. EmpTyger was my second choice. I find it truly ridiculous that he's not even considering my claim. I mean, if I was just making up that I got roleblocked, why would I go through the trouble of giving the town information that my role got completely taken away?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #598 (isolation #62) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:24 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:
xRECKONERx wrote:EBWOP:

I totally forgot my target. I investigated VP Baltar. And I think given the characters, a thief could be perfect.
I didnt see this,

wait a minute....you just said your number one suspect was jason..why did you investigate VP then? you forgot who you investigated? You understand how important a cop is right? also, you can simply look at your sent messages for that information...

no, I dont buy this bullshit at all..

revote RECKONER

I didn't forget who I investigated. I forgot to post it because as soon as I saw that PM I was like "Well, shit... this is going to end poorly." My #1 suspect was Jason, but I figured with the Doc claim, either I'd be dead or he would on D2. If he was still alive I planned on coming at him full-force on D2. I was right (Yeah, maybe a bit of a gamble) and he was killed. My #2 suspect was Emp, but I thought knowing VP's alignment would be more helpful to town.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #601 (isolation #63) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:41 am

Because I was getting odd vibes from VP. I thought if I knew whether or not to trust him, I could determine a lot more than just confirming/not confirming Tyger's alignment.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #603 (isolation #64) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:53 am

Also:

It's totally plausible that I was roleblocked (obviously had to be if I got no result) and now I'm being crucified because of my play on day one. The entire vibe D1 was "If Reckoner hadn't claimed cop, he'd be lynched". There's no point in killing me since it's so easy to get me lynched.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #605 (isolation #65) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:01 am

Uh, I never tried to blame VPB for me being rolethiefed. Also, I've never dealt with a role thief before ever. Can a role thief roleblock you too?

Should Jason have lived and I been alive as well, yes, I would've gone after him, because it wouldn't make sense for both PR claims to be living. I was saying I didn't investigate him because I figured if he was still alive and I was too, he was scum.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #606 (isolation #66) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:02 am

I'm just wondering why scum would target me twice: if a rolethief removed my role from me, then I still would've gotten a result for N1, right? So either A) my role was removed AND I was roleblocked or B) I was roleblocked and my role was automatically supposed to disappear after the Losties "got back to the island".

xRECKONERx · Post Post #608 (isolation #67) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:12 am

My PM was very short and only said a few things:

1) I got "no result" on my investigation
2) I'm now back on the island and have no need to investigate anything
3) I am now vanilla

Based on that, it sounds like it was set-up to where I could only either use my investigation one time only (even though I wasn't told I was a one-shot cop) or someone's role placed me back on the island which nullifies my cop role.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #627 (isolation #68) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:11 am

I'm going to guess that Santos came back to the island with me, whoever he happens to be, so he has role info or something. Also, my original role PM basically said:

Edited - Porochaz

xRECKONERx · Post Post #628 (isolation #69) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:12 am

I guess I forgot 5 when I was originally reading my results for N1.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #631 (isolation #70) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:30 am

Let me not quote the PM directly then.

I'm Kate, I used to be a fugitive, I proved myself as a leader on the island, now I'm looking after Aaron, I'm a cop, I can investigate once per night, but my role might change during the course of the game.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #637 (isolation #71) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:08 pm

People being off-island doesn't prove anything. In fact, I was thinking the Losties are on-island and the scum are off-island. I don't see how being off-island confirms anything though.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #647 (isolation #72) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:38 am

NO. GOD IT ANNOYS ME WHEN PEOPLE MISCONSTRUE MY WORDS.

I meant that I WAS off-island, and now I am BACK ON THE ISLAND. So anyone who DIDN'T COME BACK TO THE ISLAND would be scum in my original idea, but there's no way to prove it, other than Santos also returning to the island... but then again, that doesn't clear Santos either.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #649 (isolation #73) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:43 am

canadianbovine wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:
canadianbovine wrote:Locke was actually Locke... funny.
That's all you have to say after lurking most of D1...what's your opinion of Reckoner?
excuse me? thats a powerful statement. 7 days i was gone, a saturday to saturday, then i didnt go back because i couldnt get myself to come back until wednesday. if its bad that i missed your bitch out with emptyger over minor details, then please, i apologize.

i think reckoner is either scum or very very unlucky with how this worked out for him.

This is kind of CB's playstyle the entire game, really. He's been actively lurking, in my opinion, and not really presenting cases on people as much as he has just been voting with the flow. Comments like Oh shit it's almost deadline VOTE... then comments like the last line above: either I'm scum or I'm very unlucky.

Fail. Hey guys, if I flip this coin, it's either going to be heads or tails! If I try to run a marathon, I'll either finish or fail! Etc. Etc. Etc.

Vote: Canadianbovine

xRECKONERx · Post Post #673 (isolation #74) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:35 pm

Juls wrote:catching up...

xRECKONERx 565 wrote:I got "no result". In addition, I am told that now I am back on the island (?) so I have no need to investigate now and am now vanilla.
That's pretty lame. It's lame of you if you are lying cause it is a bad lie. And it's lame if you are telling the truth because that sucks. No results...Losing ability....It's just all too convenient.

Or, this is exactly what the scum had planned.

Juls wrote:
Santos 580 wrote:I'm still confused as to how you 'know' they're a scum team. RECKONER claimed Kate which is one of the most town roles in the show.
Again, how do you assume Kate to be protown? I mean, she very well may be town, but last I checked a murderer is not necessarily a good guy. A kidnapper is not necessarily a good guy. Please just clarify how she is assumed town. I can think of lots of others who are more protown. Further, Locke is dead. In this past season, Locke was most certainly a bad guy. He killed Jacob, he isn't even Locke...he is someone else using Locke's body. Locke is dead. In this game, he flips Vanilla. I wouldn't put all your eggs in the flavor basket of good vs. evil.

Neither would I.

Juls wrote:
Emptyger 595 wrote:And it’s not because a thief targeted him with an ability, for a couple reasons, most significantly because you’re saying it happened to both of you.
The difference is Santos isn't claiming to lose abilities. He is claiming to only be back on the island. Herein lies my problem. They both may very well be back on the island. That doesn't mean one or both are town and it doesn't mean one or both are scum.

Then what significance does being back on the island have? It must active/deactivate powers or something (I.E., Locke paralyzed off-island, healed on-island, etc.)

Juls wrote:
xRECKONERx 598 wrote:My #2 suspect was Emp, but I thought knowing VP's alignment would be more helpful to town.
Huh? OK...that seems counterintuitive to me. You saw Emp as scummy. I can't deliniate if you saw VP as scum or not but regardless...Say VP pops up town. What does that tell us about Emp? Have you never seen two town go at each other? The only way your investigation of VP would make sense is if he flipped scum. But you saw Emp as more scummy. So wouldn't finding out Emp's alignment be more useful?

No, because VP was giving off the creeping scum vibe, whereas to me, Emp was being obviously scummy. I figured if I could either clear/confirm VPB as guilty, then it'd help me tremendously in who to follow/listen to D2. I basically thought VPB was playing better than Emp, regardless of alignment.

Juls wrote:
xRECKONERx 601 wrote:Because I was getting odd vibes from VP. I thought if I knew whether or not to trust him, I could determine a lot more than just confirming/not confirming Tyger's alignment.
If you had said VP is scum in like 80% of games that he plays I could buy this (because it is pretty much true btw) but Odd Vibes < Scum Vibes. Seriously.

To each his own.

Juls wrote:
xRECKONERx 603 wrote:It's totally plausible that I was roleblocked (obviously had to be if I got no result)
Roleblocked and Thieved. Noted.

Except like I proposed, my powers easily could've been taken as some sort of timed trigger thing. Maybe they'll come back, maybe they won't. But if I got NO RESULT then I was DEFINITELY roleblocked.

Juls wrote:
xRECKONERx 637 wrote:People being off-island doesn't prove anything. In fact, I was thinking the Losties are on-island and the scum are off-island. I don't see how being off-island confirms anything though.
When exactly did you think this? When you were off-island. This seems like a slip.

I thought this when Santos confirmed that he had shifted from off-island to on-island as well. Obviously I didn't think it when I was off-island. I didn't even really know that off-island/on-island had any significance till I got my result PM.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #675 (isolation #75) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:25 pm

@ZONEACE:

Juls is the one who used WIFOM in the first place to even suggest that me being roleblocked and losing powers was "too convenient". So please. Get off your one-sided high horse.

My speculation over FLAVOR SIGNIFICANCE is not WIFOM, so please learn to use the term correctly.

And yes, I guess I "wasted" the ability on the "better player". I'm not going back through 20-odd pages of game to explain why I got odd vibes from VPB. Like I said: he was playing very well as either scum or town, and since I wasn't getting a good read from him either way, I investigated. Go bawwwww over it a little more.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #677 (isolation #76) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:44 pm

oh ho ho I'm a waste of ZONEACE's time.

And the scummy for most douchebaggy player of the year goes to ZONEACE. Please, take your perma-popped collar polo and Sperrys as your reward.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #679 (isolation #77) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:47 pm

Also: I believe I was speculating that being on-island/off-island affects people's abilities to use their powers, as I don't believe I was the only one who received a "you may change your role" warning in their PM.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #681 (isolation #78) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:59 pm

First indicator of scum. Didn't know if there was any real logic behind, and I never PUSHED the issue. I just said "I originally thought it may be an indicator of scum".

Then, a few posts ago, the one THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, I was talking about it affecting abilities.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #683 (isolation #79) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:12 pm

Meaning "at first", not it's the first indicator of scum, excuse me.

In any case I never pushed that issue because I didn't really believe it I just had a thought about it and that was that.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #697 (isolation #80) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:43 am

Juls wrote:
xRECKONERx 675 wrote:Juls is the one who used WIFOM in the first place to even suggest that me being roleblocked and losing powers was "too convenient". So please. Get off your one-sided high horse.
It's not WIFOM. You are asking us to suspend logic and believe a hairbrain theory.

Me being roleblocked is not a hairbrain theory... but of course, I can't argue with you about it, because then once again I'll be the one who is jumped all over for using WIFOM, and not you. I see. Makes sense. /sarcasm

So far the only reason I'm being lynched today is because what happened to me "doesn't make sense" or is "too convenient". ZONEACE continued to hammer on me, even after I had point-by-point explained (and discredited) everything he said. Not to mention his douchebaggery makes it harder to deal with.

ZONEACE has continually avoided owning up to the fact that anything he's said I've explained in a logical fashion, and I don't understand why he's so hellbent on lynching me. Either he's scum, or he's exactly the town-pawn the scum needed for this thing to work. I'm going to look back at the people who came out of the gate supporting my lynch, as well as who was pining for my lynch D1.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #701 (isolation #81) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:25 am

Because I'm the only one I'm sure is town: why the hell would I vote myself?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #703 (isolation #82) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:25 am

Good thing I'm not scum.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #705 (isolation #83) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:43 am

Thank you, Santos. Someone with common sense.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #707 (isolation #84) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:47 am

I believe you based on my own experiences: and you don't know what might happen if you wind up getting your ability back.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #717 (isolation #85) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:31 am

If Santos is scum trying to vouch for me, it's a smart move:

Vouch for me, I get lynched anyway due to idiotic town, then he looks like the good guy for believing me.

Still, he's pretty much the only one (except CB?) believing me, so his word is all I can go on right now.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #726 (isolation #86) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:06 pm

EmpTyger wrote:Oh god I'm a moron. I just realized something.
Unvote: xRECKONERx
because right now I need to reevaluate the entire game.

Well, this is interesting.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #727 (isolation #87) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:06 pm

Juls wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:
Juls wrote:can you tell us if you were roleblocked too?
What is the point of this question? If you don't have one other than you think it helps reckoner, then it seems like rolefishing to me.
I guess you're right. I was trying to determine if mafia has a roleblocker or was it a result of "coming to the island". The reason I ask is because I think that town would not have roleblocked Reckoner last night since he claimed cop. It would have to be scum.

I don't think the game would have anything built in that blocks a result. I'm pretty sure I got roleblocked, AND I got "moved to the island" and lost my investigative ability.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #739 (isolation #88) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:13 pm

Whoa, notice how quickly the opinion on me changes.

Yes, I'm saying two things:

1) I got roleblocked.
2) My losing my powers had everyting to do with me moving back to the island.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #745 (isolation #89) » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:11 am

Except that a cop is now vanilla. Unless there is another cop. Which is possible.

In either case, the reason I'm sure I got roleblocked is because me becoming vanilla wouldn't seem to affect things that happen BEFORE I turned vanilla (I.E. my investigation of VPB). To me it looks like I got roleblocked to be set up for today's lynch and jason was killed. Two power roles in one day. The fact that I happened to lose my power is just a bonus for the scum.

@VPB: Mind giving us a flavor claim with that miller claim? Also, were you vanilla before?

Oh yeah.

Vote: curiouskarmadog

Calls VPB's comment scummy with no explanation.

Jumps on voting me, pretty much this whole post is useless.

Snips my quote, where IN THE SAME POST I explain what I meant.

Votes me again, "not buying" what happened to me.

Unvote. ...what?

Revotes me. Says he's "not buying this" again.

Rolefishing?

Asks for vote count, asks mod a question, doesn't contribute.

Suddenly he buys my claim once people start jumping off my wagon.

Yeah. I think CKD is definitely scum.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #748 (isolation #90) » Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:05 am

Even though Santos confirmed my story, CKD?

If you don't buy my claim regardless, why does it matter if you're caught up or not?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #750 (isolation #91) » Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:36 am

Please point out where Santos said he thought I was scum at anytime this day.

Also, I didn't forget who I investigated. But nice job trying to make me look scummy with a complete lie.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #762 (isolation #92) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:33 am

8/13 11:53AM: I get the PM with my question and promptly respond.

8/25 6:06PM: I get the PM informing me that I got no result, and am now back on the island and vanilla'd.

That's literally the sequence of events.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #768 (isolation #93) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:12 am

No, I don't think me losing my powers was a result of me answering that question. I honestly have no clue what the point of me answering my question was. However:

VPB claims that he had miller ADDED to his role, he didn't have his powers stripped. That seems to be completely different from Santos & I both becoming vanilla after returning to the island.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #790 (isolation #94) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:14 am

CKD lynch > CB lynch.

Also, I think me losing my power was a result of me going back to the island: I have no clue what the point of the question was, especially if VPB became miller immediately while it took me till the end of N1.

@Santos: did you receive your PM informing you of the role change after N1 or pretty immediately after your question?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #792 (isolation #95) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:37 am

No, I'm just assuming he did. Maybe we should ask him...

@Santos: Did you get a question?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #797 (isolation #96) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:21 am

Just a PM saying I lost my ability after N1. I got no response to me answering my question.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #813 (isolation #97) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:44 pm

Put me in the NOT column. Flavor names have nothing to do with alignment.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #815 (isolation #98) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:46 pm

VP: what do you think of CKD?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #821 (isolation #99) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:24 pm

I prefer CKD over a CB lynch, personally. But do what you want.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #833 (isolation #100) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:26 am

Well well well - CKD coming to the defense of CB? Too blatant a scum-tactic for them both to be scum, methinks. CKD's defense of CB seems to me to be a quick sliding under the radar as a VT by confirming CB's VT claim while tossing in paraphrased words which I had already provided.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #840 (isolation #101) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:47 am

This is why I'm voting CKD. And his response to it was wishy washy at best.

xRECKONERx wrote:Except that a cop is now vanilla. Unless there is another cop. Which is possible.

In either case, the reason I'm sure I got roleblocked is because me becoming vanilla wouldn't seem to affect things that happen BEFORE I turned vanilla (I.E. my investigation of VPB). To me it looks like I got roleblocked to be set up for today's lynch and jason was killed. Two power roles in one day. The fact that I happened to lose my power is just a bonus for the scum.

@VPB: Mind giving us a flavor claim with that miller claim? Also, were you vanilla before?

Oh yeah.
Vote: curiouskarmadog

Calls VPB's comment scummy with no explanation.

Jumps on voting me, pretty much this whole post is useless.

Snips my quote, where IN THE SAME POST I explain what I meant.

Votes me again, "not buying" what happened to me.

Unvote. ...what?

Revotes me. Says he's "not buying this" again.

Rolefishing?

Asks for vote count, asks mod a question, doesn't contribute.

Suddenly he buys my claim once people start jumping off my wagon.

Yeah. I think CKD is definitely scum.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #842 (isolation #102) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:52 am

xRECKONERx · Post Post #846 (isolation #103) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:58 am

Because you gave no reasons and just slapped a vote on EmpTyger. I don't disagree with the vote, I disagree with the way you voted.

Also, your response was wishy washy because it was a bunch of fudged b/s that you made up, and a simple few quotes from the topic proved that what you were saying had no foundational basis.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #849 (isolation #104) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:05 am

CKD wrote: I jumped on your wagon because I didnt believe that the fucking cop would "forget" who he investigated and investigated someone who wasnt his "top two" suspects.

curiouskarmadog wrote:because I dont know what has been said...i dont know exactly who has confirmed what....last I read, santos basically said he thought you were scum...I dont know if he has said anything recently.

would you rather I keep my vote on you, even though i dont know what is going on?

thats as protown as a cop who forgot who he investigated.

Which, after I told you that I didn't forget, you found this and uh-oh, your scum-dar on me is suddenly wrong? Right, because you made shit up and flung it at me, hoping it stuck. But it didn't.

CKD wrote:I jumped off your wagon because I thought Santos was soft claiming that you were innocent.

when i found out santos was just going on "gut" (essentially) I jumped back on.

That just means that you're trigger-happy to get a townie lynched but afraid of getting caught with your pants down. Santos wasn't going on gut - he was going on the fact that

he lost his role too

.

CKD wrote:I am currently unvoting because I have behind on the game and dont want my vote.

for the record, I still dont buy your claim...but dont want to lynch you before I am caught up.

Once again, Santos pretty much confirmed that I wasn't B/Sing.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #852 (isolation #105) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:20 am

So, CKD, your role didn't change?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #858 (isolation #106) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:04 am

Obviously I want to derail my whole wagon. I guess I should read CB and Emp in iso, because their names keep coming up. I've got work till like midnight tonight though and a huge Spanish test to study for, so it might not happen till tomorrow.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #864 (isolation #107) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:07 am

Who was it supposed to be directed at?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #887 (isolation #108) » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:57 am

canadianbovine wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:not nearly enough

and I still don't get why you posted a korean quote from Jin, if you're Juliet. posting a quote like that is clearly something a person does if they want to breadcrumb something, but why breadcrumb a role you arent.
i was having fun with the game, that was in the point of RVS.

again. Reckoner breadcrumbing desmond...yet no ones asking why he isnt desmond. I breadcrumbed Jin...so everyone assumes im Jin? What role could jin possibly fit?

This is a useless train of thought. What is CB at? L-3? L-1? I'm ready to vote him now. The AtE was just sad, and a quick iso read (I'm in class, can't pay 100% attention) is enough to convince me.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #898 (isolation #109) » Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:00 pm

Here's the game he's referring to, I believe. Honestly, there's not much difference between how CB played in that game and how he's playing now.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #900 (isolation #110) » Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:04 pm

I only know of the one in progress and that one. I just checked my Wiki, which I keep updated, and he's only been in one on there

xRECKONERx · Post Post #902 (isolation #111) » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:04 pm

Oh. :embarrassed: Gotcha.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #908 (isolation #112) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:42 am

When is the D2 deadline?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #919 (isolation #113) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:31 pm

WTF SLICEY

xRECKONERx · Post Post #921 (isolation #114) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:41 pm

Okay, so, that was meant for my Empire at War game. Disregard please. Damn multiple tabs in Firefox.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #927 (isolation #115) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:12 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:what claim?

LOL

xRECKONERx · Post Post #954 (isolation #116) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:43 pm

Juls wrote:@Reck - Since you are the only one who HAS claimed something other than Vanilla, at least initially, can you please tell me if the part about "your role might change" was in your role PM?

Yes. I already said this.

Also, Iron Townie?

xRECKONERx · Post Post #960 (isolation #117) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:05 pm

WHAT IS AN IRON TOWNIE

xRECKONERx · Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:34 pm

VP has been giving me odd vibes (as I've already said), but I don't want to lynch him.

xRECKONERx · Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:41 pm

Um, okay, I've already answered the question posed to me god knows how many times. I DID NOT RECEIVE A PM IN RESPONSE TO MY QUESTION.

THERE.

As for now, I'm in support of a CKD or Emp lynch.

xRECKONERx · Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:22 pm

*chants* CKD! CKD! CKD!

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:12 am

After you, CKD, are Emp and CB.

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:35 am

...how is it a wager, anyway?

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:56 am

Actually, I think he's asking for us to take the wager of lynching VP today and if he's not scum, lynching CKD tomorrow. It would appear that he's trying to avoid a CB lynch. I wonder why? What makes CB the "most important scum"?

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:24 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:
way to ingore the questions.

can we please lynch VP today?

WHERE DO I STAND ON YOUR LIST?

IF I AM SCUM WHY NOT TAKE MY WAGER? QUIT IGNORING AND AVOIDING THE QUESTION!

you know what...

at this point, I am so certian that I am right...

I will up the wager...lynch VP today...if I am wrong, vote my ass tomorrow...hell, I promise I will place the first vote on myself.

I completely called your ass out scum.

I stopped reading at the bolded part, so I didn't see the last part. I thought the wager was "GIVE ME A SCUM LIST". After you said what the wager was, I went back and re-read.

Also, green text = where I'm right about the wager.

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:27 am

Please lrn2spell

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:32 am

Because it's a stupid wager?

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:32 am

Don't get me wrong, I've had my eye on VPB since D1, but I don't think your wager is the way to prove his scumminess.

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:18 pm

@Emp: What's wrong with that post?

Also, I'll present a case when I'm not writing papers. That's 47 pages to re-read in order to pick out the finer points. But essentially, I'll say that while your playstyle has been a null read for me, it's the people you're putting in the hotseat that interest me.

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:29 pm

Roleblocked, obviously.

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:56 pm

At this point, yes. It looks like CKD is trying his damndest to distract us from CB, so I'm on board.

xRECKONERx · Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:09 am

Explain what, Emp?

xRECKONERx · Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:21 am

Basically: there are two reasons. I'll admit I just remembered being suspicious of you without much backing, and now, I'd say you're just a neutral read. I'll admit my folly. The main reasons I'm suspicious:

1) I don't see Juls as scummy, yet you seem to keep pressuring him (her?).

2) Your back and forth with me about "a" cop vs "the" cop was nothing but a circular argument and anti-town in my opinion.

Though, I'd definitely support CKD and CB over your lynch now. A re-read made me go "Uh, alright, I guess he isn't that scummy".

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:14 am

My final thoughts:

I'm happy with a CB lynch, though I still suspect CKD hardcore. I'm anxious to see if anymore role changes occur overnight. Somehow, I feel like I've missed something huge in this game so far, but that can be dealt with on D3.

Emp: what did you mean earlier on when you said you had missed something huge? You know, when you jumped off my wagon?

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:07 pm

And me, VP?

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:12 pm

If you want to meta me:

Here's my best town game (Town RB, correctly roleblocked a different scum each night =D) and here's my best scum game (you maybe have seen the explosion of debate that erupted over this game's ending).

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:18 pm

There is scum in VP/Emp/ZA.

xRECKONERx · Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:05 am

VPB wrote:@Reckoner-How many times are you going to vacillate between calling me town and scum in this game? If there is a vig out there I really hope you get what is coming to you tonight.

I haven't vacillated really. I've always said I found you suspicious, and you not ever explaining your vote on CB was doubly suspicious... but saying you hope I get vig'd tonight when that may put us into mylo tomorrow is extra suspicious.

xRECKONERx · Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:45 am

No, I'm saying I found you kinda suspicious, then when you made the vig comment, it just raised it to new levels.

xRECKONERx · Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:30 am

BECAUSE I'M TOWN AND IF WE VIG A TOWNIE TONIGHT THEN WE MAY BE IN MYLO TOMORROW (unless CB flips scum).

If CB flips scum, then sure, vig me, I don't care. If he flips town though, then vigging me is very very anti town.

xRECKONERx · Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:20 pm

canadianbovine wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:@ CB, if you flip town you have no one to blame but yourself because you played like shit and did absolutely nothing to convince anyone you are town.

pfft not even. You havent believed 3 of the past role claims, and so far 2 of the 3 have been town [as you will see when mod arrives], the last one reckoner, is an unknown.

i answered all questions directly at me but guess what, you pushed for the lynch of a cop yesterday and today, and the reason i was lynch started from how i didnt support lynching a cop??

thats not how mafia is played. YOU ARE SCUM.

I'll take this into consideration when you role flip.

xRECKONERx · Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:22 pm

At this point, town. Only because of post-hammer actions, so... 20/20 hindsight.

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:42 am

Uh... no kill? Shit. If we have a reason for this, I'd love to hear it.

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:55 am

Emp's post is scummy. There are 8 alive, I'm guessing that there are 3 scum, which means if we mislynch today, we lose.

LYNCH WRONG: 5 townies, 3 scum -> 4 townies, 3 scum -> 3 townies, 3 scum -> SCUM WIN
LYNCH CORRECTLY (gamble): 5 townies, 3 scum -> 5 townies, 2 scum -> LYLO TOMORROW

NO LYNCH: 5 townies, 3 scum -> 5 townies, 3 scum -> 4 townies, 3 scum

No lynch is the best option unless anyone has some kind of role info to reveal...

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:09 am

I have no clue if the Mafia tried to kill last night. I'm going to assume no, unless there's a town blocker. No killing for Mafia puts them at the advantage since they now have us in mylo.

And at this point, I have no preconceived notions about anyone's alignment. I'm going to have to start from scratch.

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:22 am

o.0

wtf is going on.

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:25 am

Haha, probably.

I just... this cryptic shit between people is very odd. I want to say odd with a dash of town vibes, but I'm just not sure. I'd love to hear about what's going on, though.

xRECKONERx · Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:19 am

@Santos: Did you get moved from off-island to on-island?

xRECKONERx · Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:31 am

@CDB: No, he's saying he randomly inherited my ability the day I lost mine.

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:58 am

Why is Zone clear, again?

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:45 am

Well, I would have said Emp, but now that Santos has cleared him, it raises a few questions.

I still don't like CKD for the reasons I've mentioned before. I would consider Zone a bit scummy for his generally aggressive play and willingness to lynch almost anyone. Outside of that, though, I have no concrete reasons for anyone, despite any odd vibes I may get (*cough*you*cough*).

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:37 am

...CB?

>.>

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:38 am

Now who's not paying attention, Zone?

xRECKONERx · Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:12 pm

I'm up for a massclaim. Though everyone already knows my role.

xRECKONERx · Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:57 am

Santos wrote:Enlighten us with a more sound lynch, over.

CKD?

xRECKONERx · Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:20 am

I believe Santos' claim, Emp.

Personally, I'd be happy with a lynch on CDB or CKD. Process of elimination tells me it has to be one of them: though I still don't like the Emp/Zone interactions in the slightest, and the jury's still out on VPB/Juls.

xRECKONERx · Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:32 am

8 people isn't lylo, if you ask me.

today - 3:5
mislynch - 3:4
tomorrow - 3:3

or

today - 3:5
lynch correctly - 2:5
tomorrow - 2:4

The way I see it, unless we have a confirmed scum in our sights, it may be worth it to no lynch?

today - 3:5
no lynch - 3:5
tomorrow - 3:4

I think we've got a better chance of figuring out the scum 3:4 than 2:4.

xRECKONERx · Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:25 am

Because it's a pretty standard setup for their to be 3 scum in a game with these numbers, unless there is a SK, which there's not unless it's some kind of weird on-and-off night killings.

And CKD, we'd be in mylo, not lylo, if there is a three person scum team.

xRECKONERx · Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:25 am

Especially when we're probably in a mislynch-and-lose scenario.

xRECKONERx · Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:40 am

WHAT information indicates that, VP?

xRECKONERx · Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:55 am

Anti-town doesn't necessarily mean scum or SK. It could be lyncher or jester.

xRECKONERx · Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:38 am

Hmm, I guess you're right.

Okay. I just don't want someone with pertinent town info to get night killed and die, thus losing the information with him.

xRECKONERx · Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:20 pm

What updated post?

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:04 am

Hmm. Interesting post, I guess. I am rather suspect of Emp for his softclaim and withholding of information, but I guess time will tell.

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:09 am

Did I say I'd lynch Emp, VP? No. I did not. So stop putting words in my mouth.

CKD, you can easily iso me and see my reasoning for suspecting you for yourself. I'm in class right now.

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:10 am

EBWOP: When I said I'm suspect of Emp, I meant I think what he's doing is suspicious, but I'd really rather him come forward with info.

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:38 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:present them again.

No. Go find them, and I'm not wasting time on this any longer.

@VPB: I guess "I find them suspect" wouldn't be the right word to use. I should have said "I find them odd, given Santos' investigation".

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:15 am

Please do.

xRECKONERx · Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:32 pm

Emp, your question to me is one where I cannot answer either way and look good, so I'll decline to respond. I stand by what I said.

xRECKONERx · Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:59 am

EN.

OH.

xRECKONERx · Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:23 am

About to run out the door for work, but Emp:

I'm not incredibly content to sit back and do nothing. I'm very ready to lynch CKD or CDB.

xRECKONERx · Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:09 am

Umm... so nothing about Santos' claim, BM?

Oh, and...

Vote: CDB

xRECKONERx · Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:34 am

My case against CDB is simply a process of elimination, given the fact that I believe Santos' claim, others are eliminated from the possibility of being scum. I don't like how CDB has contributed basically NOTHING the entire game, especially when we're this late into the game.

xRECKONERx · Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:10 pm

<-------------------DRUNK PLAYER

xRECKONERx · Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:00 pm

I didn't give anyone my ability. I do think it's interesting now that VPB is claiming Santos was hardcore defending me

before

I lost the cop ability and he picked it up. Mind citing specific pre-ability loss examples of him defending me?

xRECKONERx · Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:40 pm

I didn't say we only had two, I said that they're my top candidates. I'll comment on the rest later, I've got to go to the store right now. (Beer run).

xRECKONERx · Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:45 pm

I believe Santos because he correlated my losing my ability. Of course, if he

is

scum, it would be easy for him to use that as an opportunity to "confirm" himself as town without actually confirming himself. Still, it makes sense in my opinion to believe him simply because 1) Why would he fight for me so hard when it'd be an easy town lynch? and 2) the flavor of the game and the switching between on-island and off-island lines up too well.

I wish I still had the cop ability because then there wouldn't be this issue with Santos. The "process of elimination" bit was more about how certain claimed roles or softclaimed roles clear other people, leaving only a few that it could be.

I'm anxious to hear Emp's revelation, and I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense. I've just polished off a case of Coors.

xRECKONERx · Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:34 am

I never said VP/Juls were cleared.

@VPB: Innocent or Guilty.

xRECKONERx · Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:19 am

How about you answer one of my own questions first:

What did my answers to your questions (and Emp's) make you think?

xRECKONERx · Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:32 pm

EmpTyger wrote:The short version of my realization was that a Santos/Reckoner mafia only makes sense with those claims if
1) something spooked the mafia D2 into needing it critical for them to bolster Reckoner’s claim, even at the expense of Santos going back on his first claim
2) there was no one else in the mafia better than Santos available to claim became-cop.

EmpTyger wrote:
Vote: Santos

WAT.

xRECKONERx · Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:27 am

Battle Mage wrote:
Vote: Reckoner

Post 1466.

BM

What?

Emptyger wrote:1) WAT is your point?

My point is that a few hours before voting Santos, you were having an epiphany regarding me/Santos and our interactions that led you to believe Santos was clear (if I'm understanding correctly). Do you mind clarifying what changed your mind?

I also would really prefer if we could have Zone/Emp explain their interactions now.

xRECKONERx · Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:30 am

Ah, okay. I guess I misread it then.

xRECKONERx · Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:45 am

@VPB: Is my meta the one that was referenced earlier?

@Emp: I believe I said "the jury's still out on VPB/Juls". How in the hell does that imply that I said they were cleared? It simply means that I don't have a strong read really on them either way, and I was still deciding.

@CKD: Why is it so important to you that I present a case on you when nobody is even close to lynching you? Do you want me to turn the attention against you that badly?

xRECKONERx · Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:48 am

It's already put together. I have it saved in a .txt file on my laptop. I'm on the desktop right now though - and about to run to class, then I have work and a mid-term to study for. I'll try to get it up sometime tonight, but I don't know how likely that is given my hectic schedule tonight/tomorrow.

xRECKONERx · Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:43 am

I don't know what happened to my Word file with notes on CKD... I guess it got erased.

I'll reference my past cases on him for now, and try to get more thoughts out when I have the time. Nothing has really changed to sway my opinion since these posts:

One.

Two.

xRECKONERx · Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:03 am

I was basically making notes on CKD's responses/play style to my refusal to post the case. And, like I said, a heavy majority of my thoughts on CKD from those posts still remain unresolved in my mind.

xRECKONERx · Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:30 am

If they had already posted a case against me, no.

xRECKONERx · Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:06 pm

Emp, I meant that by eliminating the softclaimed or claimed roles so far, and with the jury still being out on VP/BM, I'm confident that we can hit scum out of CKD or CDB.

Also, as far as my Word vs Txt file: I use a Mac, and my txt files are set to open up in Word, since I hate Mac's default textedit program.

I really really dislike BM's play at the moment, so

Giant FoS: BM

for lurking even after he replaced in for a lurker. He's had more than enough time to come up with something more concrete.

@BM: What are your thoughts on both Santos and CKD?

xRECKONERx · Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:51 pm

1. Because I've been suspicious of VP since D1, but I don't think think he's done anything to warrant a lynch, while CDB's inactivity has warranted a lynch, or at least looking into one.

2. Juls has been so inactive its near impossible to get a read, and Santos's claim syncs up with mine... but looking back, I see now that he could've easily faked it after I lost my power.

3. I believe(d) Santos because his claim correlated with my info, but now, I'm just not so sure. I'm suspect of you, but I don't want to lynch you. If Santos turns out to be a fake, then I don't know why I'd believe his claimed investigation.

I'm voting CDB because I think he's been playing really sketchy. I'd GLADLY lynch CKD, too. Actually...

Unvote, Vote: CKD

xRECKONERx · Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:25 am

Unvote

.

I want to wait until I hear from BM and CDB('s replacement). Just had a thought... that CKD might just be town playing poorly. I know I was almost lynched early on for my poor play, and I kinda could see CKD doing the same thing. So, I'll wait, because I'd just LOVE to hear from the less active mofos.

xRECKONERx · Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:46 am

I agree with it to an extent. I definitely agree with the CDB part, and I kinda think VPB's miller claim is fishy, though I don't think he's the right lynch.

xRECKONERx · Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:37 am

xRECKONERx · Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:35 am

I would REALLY like to hear why Santos just randomly jumped on CDB.

xRECKONERx · Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:42 pm

But you're willing to bank what could be potential mylo or lylo on someone who's just been lurking?

xRECKONERx · Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:42 am

Santos wrote:The mod has confirmed this lylo?

When did I

ever

imply the mod had confirmed this as lylo?

xRECKONERx · Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:20 am

I always assume the worst, and I don't think that lynching someone who hasn't been here just because they haven't been here is the way to go. I'd like to see more reasoning behind it.

xRECKONERx · Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:02 pm

Thank God we have an active replacement for CDB.

xRECKONERx · Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:17 am

Lol @ CKD calling me a bad player.

Oh, kettle. You're so funny.

Amished, how's your re-read coming along?

xRECKONERx · Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:21 am

CKD continues to use the "I didn't vote for CB" defense, which is almost confirming the fact (to me) that he's scum who purposely stayed off the CB wagon in order to appear townie. CB

was

a good lynch, because

he was acting scummy as hell

. The fact that CKD refused to lynch him seems like a reverse bus (I don't know if there's a technical term for it).

Also, CKD, let me get this straight... you think me, VP, and Santos are scum together? So you're saying you believe that there is a three-person scum team? How does that influence what you think about the converted-SK claim from earlier?

Not liking how Amish is asking CKD to point out two posts where I'm scummy... but didn't ask at all about VP or Santos. Seems like he'd be interested in ALL of the people CKD found scummy instead of just the one.

xRECKONERx · Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:13 pm

Wow, I never considered the role-thief ability.

So, question to all... NOBODY ELSE'S ROLE CHANGED BETWEEN ON-AND-OFF ISLAND TRANSITION, right?

Follow up: WHO has transitioned between on and off island?