Mini 828 - ProzacMod 3 - Lost Mafia - Over

[curiouskarmadog]

confirmo,

[curiouskarmadog]

Locke will be the savior..

and you blindly follow.

vote VP Baltar

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listen up freckles.

unvote, vote Drench

, I think though does protest too much.

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Which votes were serious?

mine is.

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ZA, calm down...I agree (mostly) with you..

no one is going to lynch you on page 4.

[curiouskarmadog]

Frankly, you ought to be lynched for being such spaz. Why even play mafia if three votes puts your blood pressure through the roof?

scummy comment and noted.

also, no one has a case based on 5 pages of info....

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updating post to come on friday

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Got 3 games that need updating…this one is the smallest so I will start here.

Typing as reading.

Im halfway to a lynch FOR NO FUCKING REASON. that's a little more than nothing.

dude, you are acting like a baby. you have played enough to know that wagons on day 1 is common place (so your tantrum is noted). you werent going to be lynched and if for some god forsaken you were quick lynched, a ton of information would have been gleaned from it. Grow the fuck up.

scummy comment and noted.

What is scummy about it?

how is quick lynching somemore for being a spaz anything but scummy? dont act like it wasnt. I understand it was in jest (I think), so all I said was noted. You feel your comment wasnt scummy? Please explain, if you wish to push the issue.

Metas are worthless imo.

I disagree (somewhat)...they can be good for fact checking though.

I find them helpful

to an extent

. I have no desire to get into a massive theoretical discussion, though.

QFT

Jason is definitely setting in my crosshairs...

Unvote, Vote: Jason

Vote: Reckoner

I agree,

unvote, vote Reckoner...

dont like your bandwagon vote without a point, thoughts, or a case.

Unwarranted bandwagon powers... ACTIVATE!

Form of... VP Baltar and CDB!

maybe they just got you in their crosshairs.

Post 170, is a very poor post and reasoning…

[curiouskarmadog]

how is quick lynching somemore for being a spaz anything but scummy? dont act like it wasnt. I understand it was in jest (I think), so all I said was noted. You feel your comment wasnt scummy? Please explain, if you wish to push the issue.

No, my comment was not scummy. I was very clearly not serious, which you recognize (you think). In all of the games you have ever played in or read, how many players have been actually lynched over a reason like 'you're a spaz'? I'm going to use my amazing psychic abilities and say zero. My lack of voting for him should have also shown that I was not serious.

Now, judging by your reaction of wanting to sling mud over such a trivial and clearly not serious comment, I can come to one of two conclusions: 1) you were dropped on your head a lot as a child 2) you are scum

Since I think you're a pretty smart guy and your profile pic doesn't show any significant dents in your dome, I'm leaning toward the second option.

then why are you not voting me?

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I missed my own wagon! Sorry for the brief absence, everyone.

Looks like everything was pretty jokey in the people who jumped on my wagon, I don't see how anyone could have taken it seriously when all I'd done is confirm. I think ZONEACE is scummier for flat-out ignoring what has happened so far, though. We're not far in, I agree, but saying that nothing has happened when serious votes have already started to be placed indicates a desire to perpetuate the RVS.

Vote: ZONEACE

Well, Zoneace's reaction is completely unwarranted and obviously he has a problem with a lot of people on this site, but I think we definitely got something out of it. I agree with Juls' view of Jason, his post 83 is completely unoriginal and there's one comment that screams scum to me:

So yea right now I feel comfortable doing this

That's exactly the kind of thing I've seen from nervous scum before, feeling the need to make your vote look as acceptable as possible when you put it on. I don't understand why you would vote for someone if you're not comfortable with doing it, so why bother saying it?

unvote; Vote Jason

I second EmpTyger's question to Reckoner. I don't see how you can accuse Jebus of being serious with the bandwagon on me on one hand and then take Zoneace's side when he claims that nothing has happened so far. If Reckoner really believed that Jebus was scummy, surely Zoneace ignoring it should be suspicious too?

I'm still dubious about Jason moving his vote only after I prompted him but Reckoner is not doing himself any favours. 183 seems implausible to me; surely he would have read back and looked at what was said when people jumped on him for the role post? Not only that, but if he didn't really buy into it, why is he trying to excuse himself now? There's not much to say about 189, it's another worthless post.

Unvote; Vote: Reckoner

every vote is on the current bandwagon (only when it is hot) spouting out what other's have said. every vote leaves himself open to jump back to the previous has needed. His net gets wider and wider....

I think this is the scum....trying to jump on the wagons in the middle to avoid notice.

unvote, vote locke

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if you say so, and I think you are oppurtunistic scum trying to ride the wave of bandwagons. wonder why your suspicions match EXACTLY what the majority is thinking....I wonder why you are not starting anything, just agreeing (so you dont take the blame tomorrow)....

[curiouskarmadog]

(got a busy week, look for a post on Friday)

in reference to this game..

Drench is getting a replacement?...interesting....will check to see if he is staying in other games.

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Updating. Typing as I read.

And can you be 100% certain I am scum?

What was that? A defense? Ugh.
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How did I know there was going to be a Reckoner wagon? That was before he put his vote on Jason and got called out on it; the Reckoner wagon didn't even exist.

whoa really? who had the most votes at the time of your vote? Are you saying that you didnt know there was a wagon forming at the time of your vote?

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While I don’t have any experience with Zoneace, I have seen mafia in other games react this way when they feel they’re getting attention for illegitimate reasons. And I can certainly see it possible for a guilty Zoneace to have thought that he should not be facing a lynch (and perhaps being bussed by Jason?) for the reasons he was. In any case, according to VP, it sounds like this behavior isn’t exceptional enough that it would be difficult for him to feign it if necessary.

I am pretty sure I have seen Zone blow up for these reasons as scum and town. Null tell at best. My impression, I think ZA thinks he is the shit and gets fustrated at reasonless wagons. I can say this, because I can relate. I too get fustrated and curse like sailor when wagoned for little reason. Though it should be noted, that I have have never seen ZA go to that extreme.

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What ABOUT CDB and ZONEACE?

I feel much better about LL after his recent exchange with Jason. I think I could happily lynch Reckoner or Jason at this stage.

Why?

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Hey, so, how about I go ahead and get this over with since it seems like I'm going to inevitably be put at L-1 and I have to work tonight:

I'm the cop.

oh snap...cant wait to see what happens next.
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Kate as a cop seems strange considering she's a fugitive for most of the show. What was your question and answer now so if it comes up we know you are telling the truth.

if we do indeed have a cop...who (character) would it be? Also this is getting into a flavour/mod outguess debate.

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I don't think Kate would be a cop. What is the typical fake claim of a mafia? Cop. I am not saying he is lying and I haven't voted him. But I do think a) if there is another "cop" they should not counterclaim because that is what scum-Reckoner would want and b) we should have a discussion regarding his claim.

What? typical mafia fake claim is cop? Thought it was doctor? Juls, how many games have you been in that mafia claimed cop in Day 1? Actually how many games have you been in that mafia claimed cop?

I do agree that if there is another "cop" they should not claim.

I am a little confused by the reaction to the claim. Certianly he wont be lynched now. If he is the cop, it is a suicide claim today. He is not the lynch today.

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I also would like to know why CDB backed off so quickly and didn't say anything about the claim.

better question is why you still have your vote on him.

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Updating as reading.

Do you think questioning the cop claim is scummy?

do i think the claim itself if scummy? No. Do I think the person who made the claim is scummy(which is what I think you are really asking me)...slighty.

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I don’t like Emp’s semantic/meta point….I also agree with VP that Emp’s case against Jebus looks fluffy.

Both Emp and VP’s talking points are getting lost in wall of words and are getting longer and longer.
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Yeah, I'm still partial to a Jason lynch...

then why is your vote on Emp? I understand why your wagon swelled so fast.
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Caught back up, I am still good with my vote. I think LL is the lynch today. I would also consider an Emp lynch, but would much rather see LL hang. i also dont like recknor's play...but I am not lynching a claimed cop today.

[curiouskarmadog]

Hey, CKD, do you even read?

in reference to what?

[curiouskarmadog]

Fyi, before I am asked….my avatar change has nothing to do with this game. A current meta will discover why.

Hey, CKD, do you even read?

in reference to what?

still waiting for an answer to his question.

CKD: you still think I am the lynch because of your point about bandwagoning? Got anything else in the case on me? What do you think of our current vote leader, Jason?

a hunch about you and your actions. the point wasnt so much about bandwagonning though it had something to do with it. It was how you bandwagonned and the timing of it. At first I was getting a scummy read off of jason, but now I am getting more of a newbie read. though it could still be newbie scum, your actions seem more calculated.

That being said, I really don’t like CB either.

is the deadline really in 3 days?

vote: Jason

didnt really like the bread crumbing of roles, how you've vote hopped, etc. [rehashed argument.]

how has jason hopped anymore than anyone else like recknor or LL?

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no... you want my role, you lynch me.

jason, I dont think you are scum, but if you are a role that might help the town..you need to claim for you have the majority. if you are vanilla or scum, you are shit out of luck. but if you got a role that will be helpful to avoid lynching you you need to claim sooner than later. to withhold information is spiteful and basically immature.....and not really protown.

you are not doing yourself any favors.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote reckoner

I am not buying that.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote. for now.

I dont think flavor will set you free, but I think a scum team would come up with a better fake claim.

Reck,...who did you target last night to investigate?

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote. for now.

I dont think flavor will set you free, but I think a scum team would come up with a better fake claim.

Reck,...who did you target last night to investigate?

fixed.

unvote

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EBWOP:

I totally forgot my target. I investigated VP Baltar. And I think given the characters, a thief could be perfect.

I didnt see this,

wait a minute....you just said your number one suspect was jason..why did you investigate VP then? you forgot who you investigated? You understand how important a cop is right? also, you can simply look at your sent messages for that information...

no, I dont buy this bullshit at all..

revote RECKONER

[curiouskarmadog]

do you have a question or are you just wonder general thoughts?

I didnt believe he forgot who he investigated. I dont believe his explanation that "what I really meant was..." I also dont believe that with Jason and Emp as his top two targets, that he chose you to investigate.

I think that Emp is probably his partner and is bussing him right now. and I understand why you asked what you did in post 607.

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thats a little more difficult. I think that the earlier pressure based on his posts were silly. maybe because I have a meta on him, but his posts were a null tell at best. of course that was day 1, so everybody is looking for something to go on.

he seems hot to trot to lynch Reck...but I dont blame him in the least.

neutral on ZA (not really leaning one way or the other either)

do think we should not lynch him yet (mods got plans or questions??)

I do however think that reck should be lynched by the end of the day.

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do think we should not lynch him yet (mods got plans or questions??)

the "him" in this post was about reck.

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I had two reasons why RECKONER is town. You folks shouldn't lambaste me with criticism so fast to say my arguments are fubar.

I dont understand your reasons...

are you saying you KNOW that Kate is town?...is that assumption solely based on flavor?

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so that I am not confused.

you know (not think or guess or assume) that Reck is town.

that knowing..is not solely based on flavor or a meta.

might be a silly question, please tell me your definition of flavor.

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might be a silly question, please tell me your definition of flavor.

For this game, half of everything I've been defending based on the theme of this game. The other half is what I would bet the rest of this game on - knowing RECKONER is town not based on anything else than knowing what's gone on so far: with what RECK has said and what others/myself have said/know.

you know I still am confused....you say you KNOW reck is town and it is not based on flavor. but then you say this I am not sure. it also sounds like you dont KNOW, but rather THINK he is town...am I correct in this?

is anyone else confused with what he is saying?

[curiouskarmadog]

is anyone else confused with what he is saying?

He doesn't KNOW anything about reckoner. He's apparently hell bent on arguing a very bad point on some information he has that he believes reckoner does as well, it seems. Whether that is coming from town failing at being helpful, or scum trying to save their buddy, I don't know.

well that is what I am trying to figure out. when someone says "knows"..I think they know something....but I am believing what he really meant is "think". and it does look like that think is based on opinion and flavor.

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I am going to be traveling (my work is sending me on detail for the month away from home)...probably no posting then....however, I will be bored out of my mind for the next month...so frequency of posting will increase after this weekend..

posting this is all games.

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Day ended a day early due to the answers given to me from the questions. The last couple of votecounts and previous votecounts reflected that.

I dont understand this.

also, reck is at -1?

vote count please.

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont buy Reck's claim.

I am not sure what to think of Santos. at one point, I thought he was soft claiming something...now??

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote

how do you know you got roleblocked?

did you have a chose in something?

[curiouskarmadog]

a choice

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LOL, I am about 2-4 pages behind..going to be traveling soon..so expect a post monday night.

reck, funny how to paint my posts scummy.

I jumped on your wagon because I didnt believe that the fucking cop would "forget" who he investigated and investigated someone who wasnt his "top two" suspects.

I jumped off your wagon because I thought Santos was soft claiming that you were innocent.

when i found out santos was just going on "gut" (essentially) I jumped back on.

I am currently unvoting because I have behind on the game and dont want my vote.

for the record, I still dont buy your claim...but dont want to lynch you before I am caught up.

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because I dont know what has been said...i dont know exactly who has confirmed what....last I read, santos basically said he thought you were scum...I dont know if he has said anything recently.

would you rather I keep my vote on you, even though i dont know what is going on?

thats as protown as a cop who forgot who he investigated.

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first of all I obviously meant Santos thought you were "town"...come on now that was obvious...

I went back to pull the quote where you state you forgot your target....

and found it.

EBWOP:

I totally forgot my target. I investigated VP Baltar. And I think given the characters, a thief could be perfect. Would one of the characters not fit the thief flavor? Or maybe I was just a one-shot cop and wasn't told I was? I have no idea what kind of altered roles can appear - this is honestly my first themed game other than my first one here (Robot Chicken Mafia), and I had no clue what was going on during that one.

and also found this.

I didn't forget who I investigated. I forgot to post it because as soon as I saw that PM I was like "Well, shit... this is going to end poorly." My #1 suspect was Jason, but I figured with the Doc claim, either I'd be dead or he would on D2. If he was still alive I planned on coming at him full-force on D2. I was right (Yeah, maybe a bit of a gamble) and he was killed. My #2 suspect was Emp, but I thought knowing VP's alignment would be more helpful to town.

clearly I am behind on the game and need to give it a good read (which I have stated I will do in the next 48 hours)

I was wrong about him forgetting who he targeted.

this is why I am not voting you..because I currently dont have a handle on this game...and there is clearly stuff that I am missing.

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Updating now…going back to where santos said he “knew” that Reck was town…about page 26.

Stil confused what this means.

Day ended a day early due to the answers given to me from the questions. The last couple of votecounts and previous votecounts reflected that.

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CDB, your lurking is officially scummy now. Congrats.

this (lurking) appears to be across the board..

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i never took a position on reckoner. i still do nto believe in lynching an un cc cop. If anything i'd like to lynch tyger. or hell, probably you, because you have attempted to push the lynch of a cop for 2 days now, and are trying to place it .

he is not a cop anymore, so what is your delimma?

yet if he was a cop, then i would assume that would mean that he is now on the town side, which would mean that we would still lose our 6 players, and be in lylo. and guess what, if he WAS the cop, we've already lost the cop, so all in all, we lost the [ex]cop and the doctor. so we put the blame on the [ex]cop?

i.do.not.endorse.a.reckoner.lynch.if.you.guys.want.to.lynch.him.go.ahead.because.i.do.not.want.to.

but your point was, you didnt want to lynch a cop...so what is your point now?

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are you rolefishing?

what did ZA say that was remotely role fishing?

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I don't think you have any place to call the town idiotic there, Reckoner. Your play has been utterly atrocious this game if you are indeed town.

QFT
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Well, I think that if reckoner is telling the truth (with Santos as corraboration), moving to the island may be related to his losing the ability. I'm not saying I straight up believe him, but it's enough to make me second guess the overwhelming push to get him lynched quickly at the start of the day.

I could see this....have the ability, going to the island loses the ability. Reck, did you think that could be it? Why did you go immediately to RB or theiving? Did you have a choice to go to the island?

VP, who would say did the pushing?

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In other news I'm sure that Juls can appreciate, I just became a miller due to the last round of questioning. I now believe there was/is a cop and that one of CDB,CDK, or canadianbovine is the correct lynch.

were you asked a question?

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Whoa, notice how quickly the opinion on me changes.

Yes, I'm saying two things:

1) I got roleblocked.
2) My losing my powers had everything to do with me moving back to the island.

wait, are you saying you went back to the island because you lost your powers, or you lost your powers because you went to the island?

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@ckd-what changed? I thought you didn't believe reckoner?

was behind on game, didnt want my vote there unless I knew what was going on.

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More votes on canadianbovine please.

I agree.

Vote canadianbovine

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I am caught up now. My general thoughts.

First of all, most of the talk about questions and on/off the island is way over my head. I haven’t been asked a question and haven’t changed my position on/off the island. So I am at a loss to what Emp’s revelation was. I don’t have a clue how to analyze the timing of questions or day endings or whatever.

Santos and Reck are a conundrum. I didn’t believer Reck’s initial claim, mainly because I didn’t believe that someone would forget the investigation. That’s what I get for skimming. I still find it hard to believe that he investigated someone that wasnt his top two scum suspects. But I wouldn’t know who is scum suspects were, unless he told us…so, meh. Also the claim that VP is now a miller gives some sort of credibility to the gain a power lose a power thing.

Don’t really have a read on CDB or Juls.

Feel ok about VP, he seems to be actively scum hunting…and ZA seems to be his same old self…but if they are scum, I assume they would be acting the same.

Also, something about Emp’s play is different..cant put my finger on it, but it seems reactive instead of proactive…ehhh.

CB on the other hand has been fence sitting and seems to be watching his words and his stances.

[curiouskarmadog]

still would like VP to answer the question.

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canadianbovine is a good choice so far, but

Vote: curiouskarmadog

, you're reading up on the thread and answering questions and asking them, but you're not playing the board; you just voted canadianbovine and moved on to talk more with VP Baltar. Who cares about VP when you've already placed your dedicated vote somewhere?

Also, curious, are you more inclined to keep your vote on canadianbovine now?
Who is number two on your suspects list? Would the name of a person's claim and innocence or guilt on a death result make you more inclined to believe flavor or not?

Also, Juls, why are you opposed to claiming? Would you agree or disagree that

Juliet Burke

would be vanilla townie or a traitor, or just complete scum? And, how do canadianbovine's posts suit you now that he claimed?

I actually dont understand some of your questions.

"who cares about VP when you vote is somewhere else" what a silly question. just because my vote is somewhere, does mean I stop scum hunting. When you vote someone do you stop scum hunting? How many scum do you think are in this game?

Number two suspect, Emp.

Also, your attempts to use flavor to confirm/condemn people is very suspect. Flavor is just that...flavor. Also, how do you know he is even Juliet?

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...doesNT mean I stop scum hunting.....edit

[curiouskarmadog]

Can you give us a paraphrase of your flavor bovine? Have you received any questions?

Also, everyone seems to have ignored my previous question: do people want me to paraphrase my question and answer?

I dont know..will having the information out and open, will that help scum/hurt town? it sounds like it will shed some light..so it is up to you.

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I think names are flavor and have nothing to do with alignment.

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interested in santos' point after everyone thinks names are scum finders...

also, CB claim is full of fail.

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oh shit....

unvote

I just realized that his claim does ring true.

It is probably anti-town to explain why, but will if I need to. CB is indeed vanilla.

[curiouskarmadog]

Can you give us a paraphrase of your flavor bovine? Have you received any questions?

I am juliet burke. I worked for the others 3 years ago, and have since joined the islanders.

I am vanilla town, my special power is to vote, and my night power is the power of sleep.

my role may change over time.

when I first read it, I didnt like how he used the word "power" at night.

went back and read the sample town to see how much info, was provided there.

You are Vanilla, you have the power of a vote during the day, with which you can use to help lynch mafia. During the night, you can do one thing, and that is sleep.

You win when the mafia is eliminated

then I was getting dressed for work and realized he added something that wasnt in the sample PM.

this is why it is Anti-town...I am vanilla too.

I went back to compare my PM to his paraphrased one.

a.) it is almost in the exact format...
b.) he added the line "my role may change over time."..now it is not the exact wordage..but the format is correct and it is very close. That sentence is not in the sample town PM....and the format upon which he claimed it is practically correct.

it would be a hell of a guess to put that in there and in the correct location.

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this is almost exactly what my PM was like...I dont think a mod PM would have had the spacing down exactly..

where did he crumb to be korean?

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Hint #1: we already had this discussion with Reckoner regarding the changing role.

Hint #2: mods do give out fakeclaims from time to time.

Hint #3: canadianbovine is scum.

also it was the way he said it......the prasing and spacing.

[curiouskarmadog]

Hint #1: we already had this discussion with Reckoner regarding the changing role.

Hint #2: mods do give out fakeclaims from time to time.

Hint #3: canadianbovine is scum.

we did have a discussion about role changing, but not exactly how it is said in a vanilla PM....

fake claim, maybe, but the exact spacing?..I have seen fake claims before, but nothing like this. which leads me to believe, that you have no clue what I am looking at. If you did, you would get it.

at any rate,

vote Emptyger

[curiouskarmadog]

what was wishy washy?

[curiouskarmadog]

WTF?

you have issue with this? why?

[curiouskarmadog]

Reckoner:

I also don't like the pushing for a Lockewagon. RV on Locke, okay. Pushing for a wagon on the basis of obvious scum, no.

Who has been “pushing for a wagon on the basis of obvious scum”, rather than RVing?

[says to someone who hasnt posted yet]

그는 그녀를 좋아하는 그녀가 알고 있는것 같아요 ?

CB, what was this?....also, how do you (CDB)know it is Korean?...

[curiouskarmadog]

post what you think is fudged BS please.

[curiouskarmadog]

It's Korean.

Also, I have no clue why you think Emptyger is scum other than 'he's acting weird' and your 'number two suspect'. Explain.

just a vibe, but mostly process of elimination.

do you know what it means (the korean?)

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I dont know the alignment of Santos....he said he knew you were telling the truth..so I unvoted...once I asked him a question HIS answer was wishy washy at best...at first it seemed like he just "thought" you were telling the truth...so you got my vote back...but he has since claimed (some what) so the vote is off.

noting the fact that you are blatantly ignoring why I unvoted/revoted...it was the right thing to do at the time.

also speaking of trigger happy...how many votes hops did you have day 1? also between the two of us...who was on the wagon of a townie? who was the one who claimed cop, but can not produce an investigation result and now doesnt have an ability. The only reason your scummy ass doesnt have my vote IS because of Santos is saving it. so dont think my opinion of you has changed...there is nothing wishy washy about anything I am saying.

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never. and my position (on or off the island) also has never changed. AND I have never been asked a question.

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On the jebus lynch was CB, EMp, and reck. I would bet money that 1 (or more) scum was on this lynch...call it gut


I found all 3 scummy because

I think Reck's claim, reclaim, and actions are scummy, but Santos is soft claiming to vouch for him. So they are either scum together or Santos is scum trying to buddy up. At any rate, unless something else happens...they shouldnt be lynched today. Also, something about Reck statement about his role may change rings true with my PM.

CB, was next in line, scum votes and jumps, general play....but his claim is TOO like mine. granted I understand fake claims given by mods, but this was just too close to be a coincidence.

Emp was next in line....it is more of meta reason...I have seen him make better cases and make stronger stances on people he believes are town or scum...this play seems like Emplight.

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CB, please explain the korean in your post.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote

until CB explains

[curiouskarmadog]

juls, he didnt start out as vanilla so how is he going to know why inital PM...also, I think if he could vouch for me, he a.) would have done so by now and b.) wouldnt be voting me.

strange question.

also CB, why did you chose to talk in Korean? so you did it because Reck did? why dont say some tagline for kate? you had to know at one point me might all have to claim, why did you think that would be a good idea?

[curiouskarmadog]

also juls, up until now (that I have heat) have you indicated you thought I was scummy in any way?

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CB I meant juliet...

I already think Reck is scummy.

again, why did you think it would be a good idea to crumb anything you are not in RVS or not RVS?

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CB? does anyone else know if he is posting elsewhere?

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I thought it was a global rule to not only you can NOT talk about ongoing games, but you couldnt link to them either?

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i figured.

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still here....I dont know about CB

his claim was almost exactly what my PM looks like. I understand VP's fake claim idea, but fake claims (provided by the mod) are rare and never right on...like this.

on the other hand the korean bit was off...but if he was crumbing, why didnt he just claim a korean?...ugh..and he has a point about the "brother" bit.

well...

I still think he is town. my gut says to believe that claim....

going to reread a bit.

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what claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

what claim?

The whole part where he claimed his role and gave insight into his role pm said. Are you still not caught up in the game?

I am caught up, you mean the cop claim, then he didnt have his ability (theft or RB?) now he is vanilla....but that could change...and santos vouching for him (which I am still hazy on)...

what about it?

I dont really believe it, but at this point, he shouldnt be the lynch (at what point should he be the lynch??, I dont know) I dont like the Santos/Reck relationship...they obviously dont like me (both are voting me)...

what was your question?

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CKD not paying attention at all really bothers me here. Lynch worthy bothering.

then lynch me....but just make sure you take responsibility for my lynching....

how do you know I am not paying attention...I have already expressed my opionion pages ago about Reck's claim..I thought you were talking about a new claim or new information about his claim.

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also, VP you have a meta of me as scum...do I typically "not pay attention" as scum? That statement from you knowing the game we shared is interesting....lynchable interesting..lol

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you know..this game is pissing me off...

I going with my gut here...

I dont believe Reck's claim.....I am not sure what I think of Santos..

I DO believe CB's claim

I also think VP is looking scummy moving ahead of Emp...I vouch for the CB claim, and he immediately yells about a fake claim. He has a meta on me as scum, where I paid extreme attention to the game, but mentions my "lack of paying attention here" is lynchable scummy....even though I have already comment on reck's claim...

vote VP Baltar

you got a problem with that? Lynch me..I am just vanilla, no big loss.

please address these questions.

in that game VP, did I not pay attention..or did I pay attention?

Have I or have I not already expressed my opnion (pages ago) about Reck's claim?

Who here is not really paying attention to not know that?

and now I have given you my opinion again..why did you ask now?

go ahead and vote me buddy..I know you want to...

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speaking of not paying attention.....

vote reckoner

I am not buying that.

no, I dont buy this bullshit at all..

revote RECKONER

I dont buy Reck's claim.

I am not sure what to think of Santos. at one point, I thought he was soft claiming something...now??

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so what do you think my opinion of his claim is?...are you honestly trying to get people to think I am not paying attention to the game in regards to Reck's claim? Nice try scumbag

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what claim?

LOL

hey Reck, you agree with VP..you think I missed your claim? I have only commented on your claim about 4-5 times....I thought my view of it was obvious if not blatantly clear....

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no, my main reason is that you are saying that a.) I am not paying attention to the game which is untrue...and b.) that that is scummy (if it was true..)...also c.) you were kept pushing on the CB lynch after I vouched for the claim...how many games have you seen fake claims from mods in...can you link please? Me..I have played over 60 completed games and have only seen fake claims offered once.

this is a scummy move...the game is slowing so you want to stir something else...

also add avoiding the my questions to the list.

please address these questions.

in that game VP, did I not pay attention..or did I pay attention?

Have I or have I not already expressed my opnion (pages ago) about Reck's claim?

Who here is not really paying attention to not know that?

and now I have given you my opinion again..why did you ask now?

...

it is a strong reaction because you have made a blatantly obvious scummy move.

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you want to know about the following claim.

Let me not quote the PM directly then.

I'm Kate, I used to be a fugitive, I proved myself as a leader on the island, now I'm looking after Aaron, I'm a cop, I can investigate once per night, but my role might change during the course of the game.

I can not vouch for this claim, because it is a power role claim I am vanilla. Reck said he was not quoting the PM directly...that being said, the placing, spacing, and format of the claim does not match mine.

what made me unvote (one of the times) was the adding of the "my role might change during the course of the game"..this was not included in the Mod's sample PM, but was in mine.

1.7 Sample role PM:

You are Vanilla, you have the power of a vote during the day, with which you can use to help lynch mafia. During the night, you can do one thing, and that is sleep.

You win when the mafia is eliminated

compare that claim to CB's

Can you give us a paraphrase of your flavor bovine? Have you received any questions?

I am juliet burke. I worked for the others 3 years ago, and have since joined the islanders.

I am vanilla town, my special power is to vote, and my night power is the power of sleep.

my role may change over time.

This matches mine almost exactly. And (another reason I dont want to vote Reck today) is because in a indirect way confirms something Reck (or santos) said. Being on the island...means you dont have a power.

Reck is back on the island..and doesnt have a power....Juliet never left the island and is vanilla..and me (going to claim fully now) Sawyer, who ALSO never left the island, and is vanilla..

CB and Reck are not the lynches today..

now tell me VP..what do you gather from all of that?

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I would also like to hear Santos' and Reck's view of that last post.

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what was my brain lapse?

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i didnt forget reck's claim. I thought VP was asking something else, and I didnt understand, that is why I asked "what claim"...I mean I have mentioned what I thought about reck's claim AT LEAST 3 times I was confused as to what he was asking.

so again, what claim did I forget...do you think I havent comment on reck's claim? Do you really think I "forgot" reck's claim?

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also VP in reference to the Reck claim...it is hard for me to swallow..but given what I know about my PM and seeing CB claim, it clears Reck enough to not vote him today....so on some level I dont believe, CB's claim indirectly confirms Reck...so for the time being, I dont think Reck should be today lynch.

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now Juls name claim is interesting....wasnt Jin stuck on the island with Sawyer and Juliet?

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also, in season 5..wasnt hurley on the island too?....but here Hurley is a bus driver.....that is hardly vanilla....interesting.

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also juls, what was your reaction to CB korean "crumb" or post in game?...I forgot.

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My point was I was inclined to believe that the CB claim and my own personal role indirectly confirms Reck...but I forgot that Hurley was.....

wait a minute....hurley wasnt on the island (at first) in the season..he show up with everyone else.....Jin, Sawyer, and juliet were...

what I am saying is that being on the island kills powers....starting on the island like sawyer and juliet starts you off as vanilla....

santos, vote me if you want too...but you better back up that vote.

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already given a name...

careful, VP might think you are not paying attention..and he thinks that is scummy, lynchable scummy.

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well, CB has claim juliet and vanilla.

I have claimed Sawyer and vanilla.

reck has claimed cop, but ended up on the island and turn vanilla...

your thoughts?

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so far it makes since.

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that is a good point...but he was an "other"...

you know this is all based on fucking flavor..so i dont know..I am going with what I know..started on the island..dont have a power...never had a power.

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the fact that you dont know what I am talking about VP sort of proves my vote is in the correct place. Also Reck's intial claim didnt have that line. The two claims are not the same...CB's spacing is correct (anyone who has a similiar PM to mine knows EXACTLY what I am talking about,), this being said, I have a hard time swallowing Reck's claim, but I obviously believe it enough to not currently vote him. I was not following (just skimming) the game (or any games) for a period of time, but after I got back and reread, Reck putting that line into the claim, makes him look better.

CB's claim indirectly confirms what reck said BECAUSE of the island and what my PM says (already explained this, are you "not paying attention"?)

VP, would like to hear your case against me....3 points? maybe a vote? or do you want to wait to see which wagon gets bigger first?

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Albert was an other...if you watch the show..you know there is a difference...

and what I KNOW is my fucking PM which is the quote you posted...I STARTED on the island..I dont have a power and I NEVER had a power..

emp, do not tell me what the fuck I know.

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Juls, since you have claimed Jin...do you agree with what I am saying about Sawyer (vanilla) (CB's claim Juliet/vanilla) and Reck's claim about the lose the power and being on the island...or am I way off?

also, do you understand by what I am saying about CB's claim in regards to format and spacing?

not asking you to claim fully, but it seems like you are the only one who can verify that I am not talking out of my ass.

I understand albert was on the island with a power...but he was an other....you on the other hand are on the island like me and CB's claim (juliet) and not an other..

Emp, you did know Albert was an other before posting that last post right?

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look at it from my point of view.....and take the current claims at face value.

I am not an other...I started off on the island have never left the island..and have never had a power.

CB claim juliet...like sawyer, she started off on the island, and have never left the island..and has never had a power........

wait a minute.

as I was typing this...I realized a flaw is this theory...juliet WAS an other to start with..

so my theory that Albert having a power because he was an other..doesnt keep water.

well fuck it...I guess I am wrong.

what I do know though..is that CB's claim looked EXACTLY like my claim..I believe he is vanilla...

here is my suggestion..if you refuse to lynch VP today, who i think is scum..lynch me or CB...

If when lynching either me or CB and EITHER of us flip vanilla, you fucking lynch Mr. What about fake claims (VP) tomorrow.

since I am getting so fustrated with this game....I dont have a problem being lynched today...so I volunteer myself.

VP, you think I a scum? you put you life where your mouth is. Lynch me...but I want you to take FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LYNCH TOMORROW! when I flip vanilla (like my claim) I want you to be lynched for it tomorrow. I am tired of you saying I am scum, but you refuse to vote me....do it. Lynch me. if you think I am scum, you should have NO PROBLEM voting or lynching me today. No excuses...just vote me. I am calling your bluff.

if you lynch CB today..and he flips vanilla (like I think he will) I am going to be all over you tomorrow, so you are going to have to kill me tonight anyway..so go ahead and get me out of the way now....

What say you VP? are you willing to put your life on the line tomorrow? I mean I am scum right? So not really a gamble..you willing to take my wager? if not, why?

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I will...and then you will respond...and then I will respond..and we will go back and forth..blah blah blah

VP, you think I am scum?

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VP, I will even help you lynch me (ie my vote) if you take my wager...come on man..I am scum right...lets do this thing.

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not a pissing contest buddy. this is the game...I think I have nailed you as scum. you want everybody to think that you believe I am scum....but you are not willing to back up your suggestions when even a vote.

that leads me to believe you really dont think i am scum. if that is true..why are suggesting I am?

come on pal, you so sure I am scum? take the wager..put up or shut up. I am vanilla, this is the best way I can help the town. take the wager. I am not going to go away with this.

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also, answer the question...

do you think I am scum?

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LOL

as of right now...I think you and Emp are probably a scum pair.

your turn...DO YOU THINK I AM SCUM? Answer the question. You have already said that you would have no problem with my lynch today...but now I have backed you in a corner you cant even admit that you think I am scum.

called your bluff scum.

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crosspost..

ZA, maybe it is, coming from you it has got to be.

but if VP thinks I am scum, soooooo badly, then he should have no problem taking the wager. it is helpful...I just proved he is not willing to back his "beliefs" with a single vote. I am calling his bluff.

I even offered to help him lynch me.....look kids, I am vanilla...losing me today a.) is not that big of a deal, b.) avoids us losing yet another power role, AND c.) will give you a ton of information...like, was I truthful about my thougths on CB's claim and what not. it will also show you who pushed my lynch and why.

take my wager.

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bold is me

CB's claim indirectly confirms what reck said BECAUSE of the island and what my PM says (already explained this, are you "not paying attention"?)

VP, would like to hear your case against me....3 points? maybe a vote? or do you want to wait to see which wagon gets bigger first?

So, you are willing to argue that because reckoner didn't type his claim out with the same spacing as yours that his claim is less believable, even though it has all of the same exact parts in the same exact order and was presented before anyone else had claimed?

it is not exactly the same, if you were vanilla town you would know this.

Are you serious? Do you normally make sure that when you type your claim out it matches the spacing of your PM?

yes I am serious. and no, hardly anyone does. what is your point? CB did, and it matched almost perfectly. when rereading (versus just skimming) the game, I caught that line about "can change"...I unvoted...I still have trouble swallowing the claim, but not willing to lynch reck today

And don't try to give me the 'I was just skimming' argument because you were relatively active at that time and seemed to be up to speed on things.

just did. relatively active compared to what? really? want to go back and check that fact again scum bag?

As for reasons why you could be scum:

1) Your criteria for believing one claim versus another are simply ridiculous. I understand your spacing argument, and it's quite idiotic. The spacing of my PM is different from what both CB and Reckoner wrote. So, what does that prove? Nothing since they are not copying and pasting from the PMs

well, reck claimed cop, CB claimed vanilla...I am vanilla..CB and my PM match...I am sorry yours does not...this makes ME scum...this is not a point

2) Your conniption fit at me calling you potential scum looks bad to me. This is coupled with your pointless OMGUS because I said you weren't following along. What is also interesting is that first you played it like you were indeed not following along (making the argument that as scum you are inclined to follow along), and now you are edging closer and closer to saying that I am misrepping you because you have allegedly already explained the things I have been asking. Let me ask you then, do you think you have been paying close attention to this game?

I am now yes...so this point is what? you think I a scum, because I felt your misrepping me was scummy? when I said I was caught up..I was caught up.

3) You are continually pushing the game toward the flavor issue, which is completely pointless and not helpful in finding scum. Who do you think is scum, apart from myself and why?

you right..I am mostly wrong about flavor, or my theory is flawed...just admitted that and could it back.

4) Your reasons for voting me are quite possibly the worst I have heard all game:

my main reason is that you are saying that a.) I am not paying attention to the game which is untrue...

At best this is a difference in opinion. At worst you are openly stating your are OMGUSing me.

b.) that that is scummy (if it was true..)...

Ok, so your second reason is that your first reason points out I'm scummy? wtf?

c.) you were kept pushing on the CB lynch after I vouched for the claim..

Oh man, you're so right, I should totally believe you because you said so...and stuff.

Also, I noticed you didn't reply to some of my counter arguments to the rest of your "reasons". I'll cut out the stuff about the claims that you answered:

this is a scummy move...the game is slowing so you want to stir something else...

What is the scum motivation for that?

not getting into a WIFOM argument with you..I dont know what your motivation was. this is a silly question.

in that game VP, did I not pay attention..or did I pay attention?

Honestly, I can't speak to this very well. I died the night after I replaced into that game. At your hands in fact. I didn't pay close enough attention after I was gone to fairly assess if you were closely paying attention or not. I thought you were more townish in that game than here, but you also were actually hunting the other scum team, which is likely not the case here.

I was also scum in that game....was there a question here?

re: claims- the recently completed ViPod had full claims written by the mod. You said you know of a game that had them. They are not impossible, which is why I said that a claim's wording and spacing should not be the sole reason that you believe someone's claim. It is a possiblity that the mod wrote full claims, why is that impossible in your mind since you have indeed seen it before?

I said it is not likely...AGAIN out of 60 games, I have seen it once.

ok questions answered...what do you think?..I got to be scum right?

take my wager..

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could=took it back..

response was full of errors (you instead of your...a instead of am)...fustrated

taking a break..will check back later

wager is STILL on the table though.

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got a question (finally)..

it was about my feelings for Juliet

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are you fucking serious?

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are people getting power roles because of questions?

if so, why are we declaring who gets questions?

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are you fucking serious?

que?

[im speaking spanish, so i must be crumbing Hurley.]

I dont like you.

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Curious Reck, after me, who is next on your scum list?

also, that wager is still there for VP...it wont go away.

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what am I ignoring?

please post where I said I was betting my life betting on PMs...thats why you are scummy, nice misrepping.

but to address your "point". I do not know what mafia Pms look like...I also dont know what power role PMs look like. What I do know I have said over and over and over and over again..CB's claim looks exactly like mine. If you had our PM you would know that...point noted.

I am betting my life that VP is scum.

VP, why wont you take the wager? Out of your scum list...where do I stand exactly? you want everyone to believe you think I am scum, but you are not willingly to back that up. I would give Reck the same wager, but due to his horrid play Day 1, I think he actually believes I am scum...you on the other hand...do not.

come on, I got a question today so I might be even a bigger threat against your scum team.

You wont take the wager, because you know I will flip vanilla townie....still calling your bluff.

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way to ingore the questions.

can we please lynch VP today?

WHERE DO I STAND ON YOUR LIST?

IF I AM SCUM WHY NOT TAKE MY WAGER? QUIT IGNORING AND AVOIDING THE QUESTION!

you know what...

at this point, I am so certian that I am right...

I will up the wager...lynch VP today...if I am wrong, vote my ass tomorrow...hell, I promise I will place the first vote on myself.

I completely called your ass out scum.

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VP, is reck not paying attention....is is lynchable not paying attention?

ZA, it is helping...I am showing you how scummy VP is. FOr example, he wants to push that I a scummy because I am not paying attention..but two other people do sort of the same thing..and he ignores. Also, look how the more I press, the more he ignores or just makes jokes...

Question VP, you lynch CB and he flips vanilla town..what are you going to say then? let me guess, "CKD knew he was town, and was trying to buy town creds"

VP..WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING MY QUESTIONS?

on your scum list WHERE DO I STAND?

WHY WONT YOU EXCEPT MY WAGER?

reck, read the passed...I dont know 3 pages...then post.

ZA, why do you think that VP is blatantly ignoring my posts? He wants everyone to think I am scum, but wont tell us where I stand on his list....or why he wont except the wager.

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reck, this is why your play is horrid..pay attention.

my wager is this..to VP (who wants everyone to think i am scum)

lynch me today (I will even vote myself if he takes the wager) and if I flip vanilla town..he is lynched tomorrow

..bolding so you cant miss.

Reck, why do you think VP is not only ignoring the questions I am asking him, but refuses to cant the wager.

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ZA what is wrong with my wager?

VP wants people to believe that he thinks I am scum. I dont think he really does...in the least.

I am proving that right now.

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explain why it is a stupid wager...doesnt VP want to lynch scum? If he wants everyone to believe he thinks I am scum, and I am offer myself for a lynch TODAY!!!

why is that stupid?

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you cant answer where I fall on your scum list?

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what is protown about not providing your stances?

more scummy actions...

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me..

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VP, I am proving that you dont believe I am scum...I am proving that you are lying. I am proving that you are afraid to lynch me today. I have called your bluff.

your turn (and dont answer this question with a question again)..how is it protown to not provide you stances?

Emp, me thinking that VP is scum has little to do with PMs.

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lol, I am sawyer...

looking forward to seeing how that opinion changes..

So VP, just so I understand...I am scummy for not paying attention (even though I obviously was)..but you get three other people not keeping up but dont say jack?

have a post for emp coming when I get time.

hey VP...take my wager.

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also it should be noted...mod has not picked up my response PM yet.

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this game is extremely fustrating, because maybe 2-3 people are reading it..

Santos, please read the fucking game before you post again...I have commented on CB's claim already multiple times...matter of fact, that is the basis of my point of why I think CB is vanilla.

Emp, I will post why I think VP is scum (again) when I have the time.

CB, you are not helpful in the least....it is no wonder people think you are scum. if I didnt believe your vanilla claim, I would be voting you.

all, I didnt get a response to my answer to the Mod's question...

ZA and CDB are not really adding anything today and will probably lurk out the game. if we lose this game, I blames those who are lurking and those you are not reading at all.

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something I would like to hear today versus tomorrow VP...if/when CB flips vanilla town, who you going after tomorrow?

you have already heavily implied that I must be scum because I am trying to "distract" from the CB lynch....so i assume, that you are going to attack me tomorrow if he flips scum..

but if town?

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well, that was a safe answer while once again not making a stances and putting in a jab.

well you know my claim already....mostly likely we will be in lylo tomorrow (if/when) CB flips town...I imagine that scum will fake claim tomorrow...interesting, if you win this game VP, it is because the majority of town dont really care...Reck and Santos are just skimming and useless..CDB is..? CB appears to be a dolt...I wouldnt go patting yourself on the back for this win.

scumbag..take my bet (it is only good for today)...lynch me, or at least put me out of my misery tonight.

and yes, ZA has been participating...I dont think he has been adding anything, but I misspoke when I said he was lurking.

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if CB flips scum...I will be lynched for sure...the only way that CB will flip scum is if he received a fake claim, or the mafia PM looks exactly like vanilla town. If I was in someone else's shoes, and CB flips scum, I would lynch me. I also think if CB was scum, there is some hard core (needless) bussing going on right now. at this point, scum (with CB in it) could easily lynch me instead of him. There is no reason to trade CBscum with one vanilla town (I will be lynched tomorrow for sure)

at any rate, I dont think that will happen. I think he will flip vanilla town...which will basically prove that I was right and that I am vanilla....you also know that I am going to be hounding you tomorrow and you know that I had a question today (getting a power?), so I dont think there is anyway you will let me live...it is all WIFOM...

but lets play the "what if" game (I know, I started)...if CB is town (vanilla) and you are offed tonight and you really are town..I will be shocked. If that occurs (doubtful) we will be at Lylo....(after claims and night choices) the lurkers need to be pressured, post, or be replaced. I would also put my money down that Emp is scum.


VP, I dont know where your stances are....can you please restate them?

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I bet you really think so.

curious ZA....who do you think is scum at this point?

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goodbye. to all of you.

horrid town play, lots of fingers pointed at the wrong people.

I dont agree with your lynch, but you brought it on yourself. you are definitely among those counted as "horrid".

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If CB flips scum, then sure, vig me, I don't care. If he flips town though, then vigging me is very very anti town.

lol..says the one who voted CB for being scum.

also lol, at VP's direction of the vig.

anyway, going to be gone this weekend.

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At this point, yes. It looks like CKD is trying his damndest to distract us from CB, so I'm on board.

I'm happy with a CB lynch, though I still suspect CKD hardcore.

Actually, I think he's asking for us to take the wager of lynching VP today and if he's not scum, lynching CKD tomorrow. It would appear that he's trying to avoid a CB lynch. I wonder why? What makes CB the "most important scum"?

At this point, town. Only because of post-hammer actions, so... 20/20 hindsight.

if you are town..you are the worst townie I have ever seen.

so you thoughts on me if CB is town? would like to hear it today versus tomorrow?

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lol, no kill is a brillant move..

we are most definitely in lylo.

we need a claim today.

so reck, now that CB flipped vanilla town, EXACTLY like I said he would, you still think I was trying to distract from the lynch?

Emp, I dont believe that post for a second.

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lol, way to keep up Reck..

reck, do you think that mafia made a kill lst night?

now answer my question.

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bullshit zone.

assuming there is a scum team of 3.

that is 8/3.....or 5 vs 3.....lynch incorrectly today 4 vs. 3....scum night kill 3 vs. 3.

we need to lynch correctly today.

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really ZA, dont play coy...how many mafia do you usually find in a 12 person game?

you are claiming something ZA so just get it out....I dont see any kills last night, and I doubt you flipped a mafia member...so you must be saying you flipped a SK?

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Emp, so hush hush..

lets hear your opinions today.

views on a mass claim?

are you suggesting you did something last night...and be honest.

opinions on if we are in lylo?

opinion of me?

also, how does it feel to be on two townie lynches?

[curiouskarmadog]

I am scum?

LOL

really? because I think we are in lylo? Anyone pushing that we ARENT in lylo are suspect. I like how you selectively answer questions...

what are you claiming....

how many mafia do you usually see in a 12 person game?

I guess I know one of emp's partners now.

[curiouskarmadog]

EMP!

Emp, so hush hush..

lets hear your opinions today.

views on a mass claim?

are you suggesting you did something last night...and be honest.

opinions on if we are in lylo?

opinion of me?

also, how does it feel to be on two townie lynches?

[curiouskarmadog]

keep going you are almost there.

if it helps you at all answer questions, I know you are scum.

that should help right?

EMP!

Emp, so hush hush..

lets hear your opinions today.

views on a mass claim?

are you suggesting you did something last night...and be honest.

opinions on if we are in lylo?

opinion of me?

also, how does it feel to be on two townie lynches?

[curiouskarmadog]

reck that should be your quote for the entire game.

[curiouskarmadog]

right now, waiting for emp to put his foot in his mouth....and quit stalling answering my questions.

[curiouskarmadog]

emp, I thought he was scum....that is why. I also did it because I knew there was no way his scummy ass would not take my wager...I still think he is scummy.

but I know you are scum

quit stalling.

I would like you hear your answers NOW.

would you like me to claim first..is that it?

keep going you are almost there.

if it helps you at all answer questions, I know you are scum.

that should help right?

EMP!

Emp, so hush hush..

lets hear your opinions today.

views on a mass claim?

are you suggesting you did something last night...and be honest.

opinions on if we are in lylo?

opinion of me?

also, how does it feel to be on two townie lynches?

[curiouskarmadog]

that interesting...lets find out if he (emp) is lying then.

Did you perform an action last night? I am not asking what you did, so dont fall back on that crap....just did you do anything?

[curiouskarmadog]

you are implying that you did.....but want to me sure.

[curiouskarmadog]

thought you would say something like that.

self vote games?....yeah, I guess they were in a way, though, what I did was scum hunting and we can discuss the merit of them end game.

so you are going to refuse to answer all the questions?

I am not even asking "what" you did. I am simply asking if you did anything....but to be more specific, did you target anyone(and who)? I think you are scared to answer, because you think I will know if you lie.

you are already implying (again) that I am scum, so you can simply fall back on that cant you? But I dont think you are ready to draw that line in the sand offically.

another new question, do you feel like your play has been protown, why or why not (I will except this answer instead of "how does it feel to be on two townie lynches" question)

and why are you scared to express your thoughts on me?

[curiouskarmadog]

that wasnt the question, you asked me why I was willing to bet my life on it.

also, you are refusing to take a stance on me today? why?

[curiouskarmadog]

- He tried to paint me as not paying attention, when indeed I was paying attention. Then we 3 other people made actual mistake when they werent paying attention he said jack...

- once CB claim, and I claim stating that I had the exact same PM down to the spacing and format, he immediately went to a fake claim, which is really quite rare. once that shit didnt fly, he spent the rest of the day trying to discredit me.

- once he intially refused to take the wager, and once I kept pushing, I knew that I had him...which made me want to do it more.

- his general play and avoidance of questions.

I have said most of this stuff yesterday..and multiple times, so dont act like I didnt....if you really wanted to know, you could have read me Isolation.

NOW YOUR TURN

at least take a stance on me...why are you afraid to do that?

has your play been protown?..why or why not?

[curiouskarmadog]

EMp, for the record, where did I say I was 100% sure VP is scum? It really isnt a "wager" without I little risk...At any rate, that hasnt change...I still think he is scum, but right now, I am trying to have a conversation with you...

that you keep avoiding.

[curiouskarmadog]

again, why are you misquoting me with the 100% thing?

you are stratching out reasons, with content that doesnt have to do with the reasons themselves...try again buddy.

EMP, I love how you take things out of context.

CKD:
You’re betting your life that mafia role PMs look nothing like town role PMs? How do you know with that much certainty what mafia role PMs will look like?

Emp, me thinking that VP is scum has little to do with PMs.

the fact that VP went immeidately to the fake claim excuse to devalue my claim confirming CB.....so the PMs themselves have nothing to do with it...it was VP's reaction to my claim and stance on CB.

you are not daft Emp, so dont play that you are "misunderstanding" things.

now, I answered your question...answer mine..

or explain why you refuse to answer the following.

your stance on me..

did you have an action, if so who did you target?

has your play been protown? why or why not?

I want answer to these questions or reasons why you refuse to answer each!!!!!

[curiouskarmadog]

about a page behind, next couple of days going to be busy....

[curiouskarmadog]

ok, will try to update this game by Sunday...

not sure why ZA, Emp, and Santos should not be considered today...if we are in lylo, then a gambit such as what those three have posted, would easily give them the game...I am behind though, so I dont know what has been posted...I am not saying I suspect ZA and Santos....but there is always the possibility of a GF.

gald CDB is posting now...but we really shouldnt do anything until we get a replacement.

[curiouskarmadog]

reminder...updating this on sunday


and no CDB is not the lynch.....

[curiouskarmadog]

Updating from page 53, if I have missed something, please ask again (have 3 games that need updating).
Posting while (re)reading….and I guess opinions might change as reading.

curious, while he is hopefully trying to answer you, can you spread your thoughts on the many other players (other than the two you've been tunneling the past two days)?

I think that 2-3 scumbags are amoung these 4 people (santos, VP, Emp, and ZA)....I would have had said all three, but the fact that we have 2 lurkers in the game throws shit into a tumble. it also bears mentioning:

Mod: this game has been hurt by your lack of activity.

My silence is do to the fact that someone I now believe 100% to be town has asked me to stop giving out information.

not helpful

CKD:
You really don’t want to put forth a real case against VP, when it comes down to it, now do you.

quit deflecting....I was more than willing to lynch VP yesterday...still could today...but I got my eyes pinned on you now. now answer my questions.

I'm still here. I am replacing out of a couple of games as getting back to uni has had more impact than I thought it would, so that I can put enough time into this game and the /invitational.

CDB should be replaced as well.

Now, let's assume for a minute that the people who have come forward so far are telling the truth.

That means Emp, Zone and Santos are all confirmed. Santos is saying he received Reckoner's investigation ability, so let's tentatively say Reckoner is confirmed as well.

That leaves myself, Juls, CDB and ckd who could still potentially be scum. I know I'm town, so from my perspective that's only three potential suspects.

Actually out of EVERYBODY who has claimed anything….my has been the closet to being proven truth. As scum, how would I have know he was vanilla and not a power role…or an SK…or anything else?

I think we are in LYLO, and I think Santos claim is one of two things a.) a ploy from scum or b.) and investigation on a GF.
+++

Now, if Zone was some sort of SK or third party before, that makes it highly likely we are only dealing with a two man scum team. If that were the case, I don't see how we could lose this game because we'd have enough lynches to expend on those three that we'd win.

This line of thinking……well, has got me thinking…or at least rethinking.

ZA, I need to know….were you formerly a SK? This is important and I think would clear Emp more than Santos lie/investigation claim. As it stands, I don’t believe Emp or Santos…., but for some reason, I might believe you….it would also mean that most likely we are NOT in LYLO, but I am treating it like we are until I understand what the fuck you and Emp are soft claiming….at first, I thought Emp was saying he Protected you…which I think is a lie…but as I reread…I think…well, I just need to know.

CKD:
Do you have a plan B, for after you get tired of trying to pressure me?

do you think I am scum? What was plan A?

I still don't like CKD for the reasons I've mentioned before.

what are those reason again, refresh me...

I am updated.

At this point in the game, I need to know what is going on before I decide to a.) vote and b.) decide who is scum.

I don’t like Emp's play. I think he is a strong player and the fact that he has been on two mislynches and some current possible situation theories (ie why there was a no kill and the flurry of soft claims today on a day I think we are at lylo), I think he is among that team. I think we might be in LYLO and if we are….I think the scum team falls somewhere between (VP, Emp, ZA, and Santos)……I also think lynching a lurker at LYLO is poor play.

On the other side of this…lets say Emp is a shrink or something and has flipped za from an sk to a townie..this might confirm them….and means we are not in lylo…if that is the case..I would say that the Scum might be Santos, VP, Juls/CDB)

But I got to know what is being claim…I think there should be a mass claim.

If all things remain constant, at this point, I am only willing to vote VP or Santos (leaning VP, for all the reasons I have stated yesterday and today)….

Currently still afraid to vote because I think we might be at LYLO…

Thoughts?

[curiouskarmadog]

if you think we have a 3 person scum team...WE ARE IN LYLO

[curiouskarmadog]

but if we are or are not in lylo....we should lynch correctly today.

ZA, are you saying we are not in lylo because you no something about this particular game...or...just on basic "knowledge" of mafia ?

[curiouskarmadog]

hey reck...did you read my updated post?

[curiouskarmadog]

awwww..shit

[curiouskarmadog]

been about 6 months since BM and I have been in a game together....should be interesting.

[curiouskarmadog]

Emp

Posting while (re)reading

at the time, he wasnt bringing anything to the table (though he still isnt, but he has since posted).

care to address the rest of my post?

[curiouskarmadog]

bumping...waiting on BM's insight.

[curiouskarmadog]

hey reck...did you read my updated post?

[curiouskarmadog]

also so this is not lost.

hey reck...did you read my updated post?

[curiouskarmadog]

my post 1368

[curiouskarmadog]

so if you have read it, why not address my question to you in it?

[curiouskarmadog]

present them again.

[curiouskarmadog]

Reck, you dont have a case...all of your "reasons" were from yesterday when I was "distracting" from the CB lynch..

please restate your case if you have one.

[curiouskarmadog]

Reck, you dont have a case...all of your "reasons" were from yesterday when I was "distracting" from the CB lynch..

please restate your case if you have one.

[curiouskarmadog]

so you dont have a case, you are just picking names then?

[curiouskarmadog]

emp, how did I know he would flip vanilla? and it would have been so easy to jump on that lynch if I was mafia...matter of fact I took fucking heat BECAUSE i didnt want to lynch him...remember "CKD is really going out of his way to not lynch CB" and "CKD is trying to distract" from the CB lynch?

And I didnt ignore anything...I dont know if I believe Santos claim is different than ignoring.....I am coming around on you and ZA's claim, though no SK in thier right mind would counter that claim, so to ask for it was ridiculous.

still waiting on Reck's case.

and BM and CDB to post content.

[curiouskarmadog]

About to run out the door for work, but Emp:

I'm not incredibly content to sit back and do nothing. I'm very ready to lynch CKD or CDB.

WHY?..STATE YOU CASE!...

[curiouskarmadog]

YOUR.....fucking "r"

[curiouskarmadog]

why do you expect anyone to answer your questions, when you refuse to put a case forward....what is your CDB case?

[curiouskarmadog]

ok going to vote on who i think most likely is scum....

vote VP

as I am no longer sure about Emp/ZA...if it is a ploy, seems risky, the SK (if they are lying AND we have one) knows exactly who to kill tonight.....too risky

dont know what to think of Santos.....

think Reck is probably scum with VP...most of the game, Reck has thrown some mild suspicion on VP, but has not backed it up with anything...mostly just useless

BM and CDB is anyone's guess....this is why you SHOULD lynch lurkers earlier vs. later in the game. think i am beginning to see the wisdom behind this.

as for VP, thought he was scum yesterday....thought he was scum today (with Emp?) but ZA/Emp's claim has swayed that...so you are getting the vote and hopefully the lynch you deserved yesterday.

[curiouskarmadog]

as I am no longer sure about Emp/ZA...if it is a ploy, seems risky, the SK (if they are lying AND we have one) knows exactly who to kill tonight.....too risky

The SK doesn't exist anymore.

And I'm really getting sick of your nonsensical reasoning for everything. you're lucky Emp found me last night. Cause otherwise you wouldn't be around anymore.


Let's see if we can correct that.

vote ckd

hey dumbass...read the quote again....I was saying that it is too risky for you and Emp to be flake claiming if we do have a SK (ie I believe your claim)...

[curiouskarmadog]

before I thought you two were lying ("I am no longer sure"), now I believe you because I think a claim like that would be too risky...jesus christ..

on a same note, why exactly would you have gotten rid of me ZA?

[curiouskarmadog]

---

CKD:

<snip>
as for VP, thought he was scum yesterday....thought he was scum today (with Emp?) but ZA/Emp's claim has swayed that...so you are getting the vote and hopefully the lynch you deserved yesterday.
<snip>

(Did you learn nothing from yesterday?)
What *specifically* made you think VP was mafia? With me or without me?

I feel like I have answered this questions at least three time now...but I will bullet point them.

1.) When I came out and said that CB's claim was exactly like mine he immediately went to fake claims. Fake claims are rare in themselves, but to be exact format and spacing??? He was stretching to get CB lynched.

2.) He putting out misinformation. He said that I was not paying attention and that that was lynchable, ie scummy. When in fact I have been paying attention. However, he completely looks over Reck and everyone else when they are not reading...mostly reck.

3.) My wager...I know no one liked the idea of it. He wanted everyone to think I was scum, but when I gave him the option to lynch me yesterday in exchange that he would be lynched if I flip town, he backed down. So either he knew I was going to flip town, or he wasnt has certian as he was trying to portary.

4.) When i tried to get him to take a stance on me yesterday BEFORE the CB lynch he refused to answer questions..before I had to be scum, after I began pressing him, he locked up. He knew I had him in the corner with my wager. He had no clue how to get out.

5.) his over all play...dodgey and pragmatic.


now you bring up some interesting points about Santos....think I will reread him to compare to your points....that being said I dont think I understand point 1 and why he wrote that pre dawn. Point 5 I think is the best point, but it might be important to find out if anyone has obtained a one shot ability....

[curiouskarmadog]

(Did you learn nothing from yesterday?)

and what should I have learned from yesterday? Seems to me that I was right.

[curiouskarmadog]

Santos is claiming that he has received a one shot ability (which was part of your point 5)....if no one else have received one..then, his claim looks worse...I am not asking what they were...I am asking if anyone has had one.

you are quoting posts from the game as my opinion has changed..what is your point? I dont know what I think of Santos. If he is scum, and you a town...I dont know why he would have come out like that, after I began attacking you....doesnt make sense. If he is town and you are town, it does make some sense to come out that way. If he is town and you are scum, then you are liking a GF.....

the fact that he has lied is...suspicous...

I need to get some time to reread exactly how events happened.

more to come later.

[curiouskarmadog]

where was that at?

[curiouskarmadog]

behind a page....going to catch up in 48 hours

[curiouskarmadog]

well, VP quickly following Emp is no surprise..

what I cant figure out is why Santos between Reck/Santos is a better lynch. If on the off chance Santos is telling the truth, wouldnt Reck be a better lynch?

especially with all the stalls and avoidance and....his entire play?

[curiouskarmadog]

(looking into crystal ball)

what is that I see, Reck voting santos....anyone want to put money on it?

that being said,

unvote, vote reck

VP or Reck are the lynches today.

[curiouskarmadog]

What do you think are the odds that Santos is telling the truth, ckd?

about what? Emp's alignment investigation? I dont know. I have already provided the what if's for that scenario.
now answer my question.

well, VP quickly following Emp is no surprise..

what I cant figure out is why Santos between Reck/Santos is a better lynch. If on the off chance Santos is telling the truth, wouldnt Reck be a better lynch?

especially with all the stalls and avoidance and....his entire play?

CKD:
1) Who (if anyone) do you think is mafia with Reckoner/VP?
2) Why'd you switch your vote from VP to Reckoner?
3) Explain how you think Reckoner can be guilty and Santos innocent.
4) Why do you say "VP quickly following Emp is no surprise.."?
5) Any such surprise to BM quickly following you?

not sure, why I should answer any of your questions, when you have avoided mine.

1.) Well, if we just have a scum team of 2...just those two. I have absolutely no reads on the lurkers..

2.) Reading Reck I cant see how he is a town player. I dont see how anyone can be so aloof. and he too states he thinks X is scummy but refuses to explain why. How is that protown? Reading your santos points (case?) it seemed to me that Reck/Santos are in this together...but I dont understand how Santos is a better lynch over Reck, especially if their is a possibility that he is telling the truth....also, I will gladly switch my vote back to VP if I thought he would be lynched.

3.) I never said that reck can be guilty but santos innocent. if they are a scum pair together, I think reck should be lynched first, seems like a safer bet. I also didnt vote Santos, because VP (whO I also deem scummy) quickly followed your vote....didnt feel right...and I wasnt about to put anyone at -1 while we are trying to get our lurkers to post.

4.) really? I think he is scummy and his quick vote doesnt surprise me...

5.) nope

now emp...care to answer my questions now?

1. current thoughts on me?
2. Why do you think ZA is voting me (what was his reason for voting me)...you agree or no?
3.) If you think Reck and Santos are a scum pair, why is santos a better lynch?

@Emp-ckd for his reaction to the Santos votes and questionable reasoning for thinking Reck is scum. CDB for complete lack of anything in this game. I still feel he is scum in over his head at this point and has taken the decision to just lurk to victory

What was wrong with my reaction and why do you deem it scummy? How are my opinions of reck questionable?

--

HEY RECK WHY DON’T YOU ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION?

What is your case against me?

QUIT STALLING..ANSWER THE QUESTION.

If you feel you have already answered it..please repost.

[curiouskarmadog]

going to be hard to avoid a quote pyramid here.

Emp, first of all you are not confirmed anything....

when I said "those two" i meant Reck and VP, which is who I was talking about when you asked the question.

BM is an easy read based on what? His lacking of posting? I have seen BM scum lurk and post heavy....what are your reads off his 2-3 posts?

"Reading CKD I cant see how he is a town player. I dont see how anyone can be so aloof. and he too states he thinks X is scummy but refuses to explain why. How is that protown? "

I have stated my positions on people at laest twice as frequent as you, so please explain this comment.

dont bully me to vote....I recall this "town" doing that with the CB lynch too...you remember CB, he is one of those townies you lynched....


"I couldn’t decide whether you, VP, or Reckoner were the last mafia, you've all been playing so badly. I almost wanted to reread more to doublecheck that CKD/VP isn't possible, rather than Santos/Reckoner. But you’re doing a good job convincing me it’s you. "

last mafia? I dont see that we have the first one. And I am playing bad? You see this is why you look so fucking scummy to me. Actions alone, I am more confirmed town than you. I havent lynched a fucking townie, much less two....and you have the balls to say I am playing poorly. If you are town in this game, you should be embarassed.

again, you are not a confirmed anything. if you and ZA are scum together (gambit) how are you confirmed? Oh I forgot, santos says you are town....but wait, you are voting him because you think he is scum..again, tell me how you are confirmed? Also, I dont believe that is ZA's reason for voting me...check again please...unless of course you know something we dont.

opinions change Emp...you of all people should know that.

LOL, you still dont really answer questions, though...unless you are saying you think Santos is a better lynch because I think reck is one.....which is sad....again poor playing.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, just skimmed, will post a longer post this weekend..

2 votes now??...lol

ZA, I am not saying I am townish because I tried to stop the CB lynch..I am saying I am townish...BECAUSE I had the exact same PM he did and that we were both vanilla....that is a huge gambit as scum..what if he had flipped some sort of power role?...or an SK..or anything else other than what exact I said he was.

HE WAS NOT THE LYNCH yesterday..obviously.

Emp, what is your proof that you are town? ZA? I dont know that ZA town....Santos?...you are voting him because you think he is scum...sooo?..where is your proof? I have already stated that it would be a huge gamble for you and ZA to lie...especially since if ZA wasnt the SK, the SK would know exactly who to kill....so it is unlikely that you and ZA are lying(thus why I backed off), but you are hardly confirmed townies.

Reck joins my wagon, following Emp's advice...lol...I dont understand why you are letting Reck slide...

jesus christ.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD:
Option 2. So be it.

lol, just skimmed, will post a longer post this weekend..

reading is bad ass.

but I guess in you case, selective reading is better.

[curiouskarmadog]

seriously emp, if you are town, I wouldnt be putting this game on your wiki....

[curiouskarmadog]

first

Reck, your thoughts on Santos' last post?

answering questions later today or tomorrow.

[curiouskarmadog]

between RL and my modded game, no time right now....going to be Sunday night before I can post a lengthy post.

[curiouskarmadog]

will get to this ASAP

[curiouskarmadog]

OK, I am caught up, but lack the time to post a long in depth post....however, as I was formulating a smaller version of it, I realized I saying the same fucking thing over and over again....but anyway, here we go....couple sentences about what I think of everyone.

Reck...I think he is scum. I was back and forth on him most game. When he came out and said that "his role could change" I felt he was town, but his play can not be from someone who is protown..there is just no way. Reck, if you are town in this game...I suggest you try some Mish Mash games.

VP, scum. he is just...I have listed multiple reasons why I think he is scum. If you need them again I can repost. I also dont like some of the interaction between him and reck...I can go back and quote later but I think on two occasions, reck has come out and said that he felt VP was scum, but when asked why never really followed it up with anything...nor placing a vote.....

Santos....I havent really liked his play. if he is scum with reck, Reck should go first on the off chance that Santos is telling the truth. I really think his play the last couple pages have been scummy, but I dont think he is the lynch. I am reminded of the CB lynch yesterday...I REALLY didnt think CB was the lynch yesterday, but people tried to bully me into voting....comments like "CKD is distracting from this lynch" and "CKD really doesnt want this lynch, they must be scum together" were bullshit....I am feeling much of the same way today. I am going with my gut and will not be forced into voting someone I dont want to. That being said, if there was a tie between Santos and (anyone but VP and reck) I would vote Santos.

Emp....Emp is an excellent player. He understands the game and is great at finding scum (imo)...so what the fuck is wrong with him this game? That combined with the fact that he has been on two townie lynches made me think he was scum. However, ZA coming out and saying that he used to be the SK (that is what you are doing right?) seems way too risky to be scum....unless we never had an SK, but I think we do/did.....at any rate, he is hardly CONFIRMED town and he is saying, but he is not the lynch today.

ZA...useless....but probably town (see note for Emp)....

BM (who is replacing juls??..

MOD PLEASE UPDATE THE FIRST PAGE!!)

no read here...I dont think BM gives a shit about this game, this was a cross replace deal. if either CDB/amish or juls/bm flip scum, I am going to start a policy of lynching lurkers early in games based on this fucking game.

Amish...who is replacing CDB....same as BM...though I am glad to see that he seems active...looking forward to his posts..


game on the whole...

Mod, i feel like your lack of participation has really hurt this game. I know you probably have RL problems...or whatever, but that doesnt change this fact.

[curiouskarmadog]

updating this today or tomorrow....

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok updating this game from page 64.

CKD: Name (I'll come to them eventually) two posts that you best feel xRx is scum. They can either be yours (a case against him) or his (that you feel was written by scum).

His entire game, there was a reason he had to “claim” day 1. I assumed that you have read the thread, so you should know exactly what I am talking about. His half ass cases..his voting pattern…his reasoning for votes…it is not just one or two posts, it is his entire game.

Also, CKD, let me get this straight... you think me, VP, and Santos are scum together? So you're saying you believe that there is a three-person scum team? How does that influence what you think about the converted-SK claim from earlier?

.

amish, this is a good example....I never said this, but he is trying to misrepresent me. Reck, I said i felt these three people are scummy....and are probably scum...I didnt not say there was a three person scum team...I said if you and Santos ARE a scum pair, that you are the better lynch.

Wow, I never considered the role-thief ability.

Really?...

EBWOP:

I totally forgot my target. I investigated VP Baltar. And I think given the characters, a thief could be perfect. Would one of the characters not fit the thief flavor? Or maybe I was just a one-shot cop and wasn't told I was? I have no idea what kind of altered roles can appear - this is honestly my first themed game other than my first one here (Robot Chicken Mafia), and I had no clue what was going on during that one.

Uh, I never tried to blame VPB for me being rolethiefed. Also, I've never dealt with a role thief before ever. Can a role thief roleblock you too?

I'm just wondering why scum would target me twice: if a rolethief removed my role from me, then I still would've gotten a result for N1, right? So either A) my role was removed AND I was roleblocked or B) I was roleblocked and my role was automatically supposed to disappear after the Losties "got back to the island".

…in regards to what?

(I agree with EMP that ckd's reaction to lynching Santos/xRx today looks like he's doing anything he can to not vote for Santos).

LOL, that is exactly what people were fucking saying yesterday..how did that turn out in your read?

CKD/Zoneace:
I think Reckoner is right- this is a stalling attempt, of Santos trying to shift the focus away from BM. Care to make this an unambiguous majority that says BM should claim?

At this point I think everyone should claim….I don’t think Bm should have cross replaced into this game if he wasn’t going to read. BM just looks disinterested to me…town?..scum??...who the fuck knows.

So my opinion of you makes me more scum now that I think you're town? That sounds like your opinion of me this entire game, but opposite. Why is that?

See the problem isn't that. Look at your scum list. You call everyone townish except for the the two confirmed town, ONE OF WHOM YOU CLAIM TO HAVE INVESTIGATED AS INNOCENT.

This is a good point….find in this game, that if something doesn’t make sense…there is a reason.

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Pretty uninterested in this game, Mod has really let me/us down.

That being said, I still see the Reck/Santos pairing. At this point, I would be up for either lynch. I would prefer Reck, just on the off chance that Santos was telling the truth. I feel the same pressure to vote Santos like I felt yesterday to vote CB…not making me want to vote him…..but will if needed..now.

There has been some conversation about a mafia traitor (who started that?)…I cant see 2 mafia, 1 traitor, and a SK being in this game.

[curiouskarmadog]

VP and reck are still the lynches, no matter how much you ignore it.

[curiouskarmadog]

I have contributed...I am so fucking sick of contributing to this game..everytime I say anything, it gets turned around...I say i dont want to lynch CB...I am told that I am scum trying to distract from from my scum buddy...CB flips town..now I am scum trying to earn some town cred. I say that Santos is not the fucking lynch today and I get the same shit again..no doubt, if Santos is lynched and flips town, I will get the same fucking shit again....or...if he flips scum, I am obviously his scum buddy.

I really dont think BM is scum today either...I think he is town and cross replaced into this game and doesnt give a rat's ass about it.

this is bullshit....

Reck and VP are the lynches today. Reck keeps saying VP is scum...but he sure has problems voting him...

please sweet merciful jesus, lynch reck

[curiouskarmadog]

lies

ask yourself why would reck lie?

that is why you "investigated" him day 1?

he has said that VP is giving him odd/creepy vibes all game and he has had his eye on him for awhile..and of course there is this.

No, because VP was giving off the creeping scum vibe, whereas to me, Emp was being obviously scummy. I figured if I could either clear/confirm VPB as guilty, then it'd help me tremendously in who to follow/listen to D2. I basically thought VPB was playing better than Emp, regardless of alignment.

and this

There is scum in VP/Emp/ZA.

and this.

@Reckoner-How many times are you going to vacillate between calling me town and scum in this game? If there is a vig out there I really hope you get what is coming to you tonight.

I haven't vacillated really. I've always said I found you suspicious, and you not ever explaining your vote on CB was doubly suspicious... but saying you hope I get vig'd tonight when that may put us into mylo tomorrow is extra suspicious.

bullshit..you want to lynch scum...lynch this liar.

[curiouskarmadog]

hey emp...did I say Santos was innocent?..or did I say that reck is a better lynch?

also, i thought you were done talking to me?

[curiouskarmadog]

I didnt say scum couldnt cross replace...I think BM is disinteresting townie.

[curiouskarmadog]

really emp?...between the two of us? how many townie lynches have you been on? your read is so off, I have to note this for future games with you. I had you pegged as a pretty desent player, but this game has changed that.

and I have just brought you your attention Reck's lie, but you still over look it. Ju

thoughts?

I am not sold on Santos being scum....I am not ruling it out...but Reck is so obviously scum it is mind boggling.

[curiouskarmadog]

also, "ju" wasnt suppose to be at the end of that sentence..

just so I have this straight emp, you are putting Reck's lie into the playing poorly catagory...and that play, is better than mine?

[curiouskarmadog]

hey emp, why dont you just vote me then? Afraid of being on another townie lynch?

also, did you mention reck's lie in that long post? think I missed it....so I guess you think that LyingReck is town? why?

and emp, I keep saying this but you keep ignoring it....I havent changed my mind...I THINK THAT RECK IS A BETTER LYNCH..


why do you have such a problem with that?

[curiouskarmadog]

come on emp vote me....Reck is....you know Zone will (if he isnt already)....VP will surely follow...

all the scummy kids are doing it.

[curiouskarmadog]

(shakes head)...jesus christ.

[curiouskarmadog]

reck please read the game...oh right, thats not your thing.

[curiouskarmadog]

I have to choose to let one of you live and let the other die.

oh I wonder what the choice will be...I wonder wonder wonder.

[curiouskarmadog]

reck please read the game...oh right, thats not your thing.

ARE YOU GOING TO BE FUCKING HELPFUL OR ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE THE MOST UNPLEASANT PLAYER I'VE EVER PLAYED WITH ON THIS GODDAMN SITE

you have got to be kidding me....if you cared so much for this game...why have you not been paying attention.

I am sawyer jackass

[curiouskarmadog]

also, reck, going to comment on the lie I caught you in...or just keep pretending you didnt see it...like my claim...like anything that has been going on in this game?

[curiouskarmadog]

You never caught me in a lie.

read the game.

[curiouskarmadog]

here I will help

lies

ask yourself why would reck lie?

that is why you "investigated" him day 1?

he has said that VP is giving him odd/creepy vibes all game and he has had his eye on him for awhile..and of course there is this.

No, because VP was giving off the creeping scum vibe, whereas to me, Emp was being obviously scummy. I figured if I could either clear/confirm VPB as guilty, then it'd help me tremendously in who to follow/listen to D2. I basically thought VPB was playing better than Emp, regardless of alignment.

and this

There is scum in VP/Emp/ZA.

and this.

@Reckoner-How many times are you going to vacillate between calling me town and scum in this game? If there is a vig out there I really hope you get what is coming to you tonight.

I haven't vacillated really. I've always said I found you suspicious, and you not ever explaining your vote on CB was doubly suspicious... but saying you hope I get vig'd tonight when that may put us into mylo tomorrow is extra suspicious.

bullshit..you want to lynch scum...lynch this liar.

[curiouskarmadog]

Honestly, I don't know what to do.

I could kill VPB and finally alleviate my suspicions with him... but I also found CKD's lurkiness to be suspicious, and though Amish has played well, it doesn't erase CKD's scumminess from my mind.

Ugh.

what suspicions?

Actually, I don't think I ever said VP is scum.

oh come on...it is so apparent who you will choose.

[curiouskarmadog]

Me saying VP has been giving off scum vibes =/= me wanting to lynch him, otherwise I would have, because I've thought there has been better lynches each day.

Sweet "lie" you caught me in, lawl fail.

read again...

come on, we all know who you are going to pick.


also, if this question is based on flavor...I really doubt anyone is going to die.