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battousai probably read it too.Wolf wrote:
Hey, I read the manga, and the only person that didn't have a key was the main character. How this will affect the game though, I don't know. Anyway, I guess I should do something useful now.Battousai wrote: I do not have a key.Wolf opens door number 3.
this person is directing way too much. I doubt all his motives are town.PaperPenguin wrote:- Somebody should probably lock the room with all the weapons as soon as possible. It seems like a place for the mafia to pick up abilities.
- Heck, we should lock all the rooms. So now, if somebody want's in on somewhere, they have to ask permission first. It prevents people from doing what Battousai has just done, and it leads to much more discussion, and with discussion: there might be some information.
- Did the mod just give us a hint that Myconian has turned into some sort of monster? I think so.
- There are locked doors behind locked doors! Let's slow down with the opening, since we probably don't have enough to open everything.
I will comment on Battousai later, maybe. If I'm not feeling lazy.vote Penguin
QFTPhilyEc wrote:@Kreriov
Wait so, you'd have voted for whoever got the storage room? How does that make me scum? Sorry but if this was an actually issue someone would've brought it up ages ago.
I picked number 7 because its lucky. Quit reaching. +scum points
[quote="Tenchi]So what is your real reason for going to that door?
Following KMD's lead?
Because it is lucky?
Or because you are one lying lying sneaky weaponless scum looking for weapons?[/quote]'
please check what you are assuming with these questions.
a. the mod gave scum what is in which room.
b. phily is stupid because he doesn't directly go for his room, but talks first.
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you actually meant this? No, it is because I have in short time aggressively pursued the lynch of Looker twice, while she was town. Last time she threatened she would talk to me , and we don't want that, do we?Kmd4390 wrote:Kmd4390 wrote:I'll read in a second, but the game is up and I have a non-random vote to make. That's right. No RVS for me.
mykonian wrote:btw, Hello KMD, Tenchi, Phily, nice to see you again!
and of course Looker. I hope will have fun this game (I promise I won't try too hard to get you lynched this time)Vote Mykonian. The only way you could make that promise is if you know Looker's alignment. The only way you know Looker's alignment is if you are scum. Myko is scum.
and Tenchi does this more often, I think battousai, while having good reasons, shouldn't go for that. Tenchi seems his town self.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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on page 4, tenchi comes with a crap case on battousai, and it is a subjective attack, mostly. It is about battousai not having a key.
a series of quotes, from one post.
these are all his reactions on battousai's defence. He actually makes no points, he only subjectively makes battousai scummy.Tenchi wrote:It would be awesome if you are a vig, but I doubt that.
LOL. How would we know? Or are you duping a bucket of WIFOM on my lap?
How would I know? Or do you and your buddies don't know each other? Scumslip?
Maybe. Shudda Wouldda Couldda...
I am not buying it.
WIFOM madness.unvote vote Tenchi
after that, wolf enters, and KMD and Phily react on tenchi.
but paperpenguin doesn't even mention it...FoS Paperpenguin
then Kreviov comes with a logical, but insane vote on PhilyEc: for agreeing with KMD, but picking another room:FoS Kreviov
jumps on the Phily wagon... yeah, i know he later unvoted. and went back to battousai...Tenchi wrote:
WHO R U KIDDING? LOL!PhilyEc wrote: Two different motivations. I've explained why I picked 7, its a lucky number. Battousai's explaination is that he wanted to skip rope...
VOTE: PhilyEc
(Both are crappy reasons and both are just mere EXCUSES just so you can stuff your noses in that room.)
tenchi found a new hammer to hit battousai... this guy tunnels way too much.
I have on page 7 the feeling that paperpenguin active lurks.
page 8, battousai attacks tenchi, tenchi won't defend against the "rhetorical question" business
mostly this point.Battousai wrote:And my point is made. You asked me a question, I responded, you voted me. When asked what kind of answer would have led you to not vote me, you reply that your question was rhetorical (and it clearly wasn't). Therefore, you tried to get me to say something, something that may lead you to believe I might be a powerrole or scum, and since you are denying it, it is more likely they former.
myko has only pregame posted a joke towards looker about previous games. You come with your perfectly logical argument that I must have made a slip. Didn't think so:Kmd4390 wrote:And why are Myko and Tenchi both still alive?FoS KMD
I read now I thought Tenchi town last time poor tenchi
end page 12 kmd is way too concerned he is logical in his vote on me.HoS KMD
I dont think the game is that easily breakableIecerint wrote:
I think it was based on speculation from Ztife that we might receive notices that a roommate left the room during the night.Battousai wrote:Quick question, why are we grouping together in the first place?
no, it would be a lurker vote by now.Iecerint wrote:myko, could you elaborate about your vote on Penguin?
ok, ztife is our best clownZazieR wrote:Ztife wrote:Btw since im in the crime scene room, am I allowed to strip the corpse Super Hot Chick, Codename: ZazieR, to look for a barcode?As already stated, Super Hot Chick, codename ZazieR, is not a usable object!
unvote vote KMDmostly gut, but this play just points at him being scum. It is not a big difference, but as town he would never semi lurk this way, tunneling till over page 10 on a pregame post.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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great argument.Kmd4390 wrote:
Am I still voting you? Didn't think so.mykonian wrote:
myko has only pregame posted a joke towards looker about previous games. You come with your perfectly logical argument that I must have made a slip. Didn't think so:Kmd4390 wrote:And why are Myko and Tenchi both still alive?FoS KMD
for doing nothing but that until page 12.
Well if you were more active, I'd have been able to get a reaction from you. So far, you've FoS'd and HoS'd me strictly for voting you, correct?Myko wrote:end page 12 kmd is way too concerned he is logical in his vote on me.HoS KMD
you lurk. and you tunnel. If you are town, or mafia, you would try to look town. Here, most what you do, is accusing a lurker, not reacting on play:
Why is this argument always used against me in games where I am town? See Zelda. See Double Head Alpha. See Disney. See LK's open game. Always.Myko wrote:unvote vote KMDmostly gut, but this play just points at him being scum. It is not a big difference, but as town he would never semi lurk this way, tunneling till over page 10 on a pregame post.and stay unnoticed-
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that is one reason I think you are a survivor with a nightkill and yes, you are trying to. You are not that much in control as I have seen you before.Kmd4390 wrote:Myko, first, look at my posts and tell me I did nothing else. Second, look at everyone else's post and tell me I'm "unnoticed" (which I'd hate to be as scum anyway as I like to have control. See Spy's recent game.)-
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you are actually right. I say KMD's vote sucks, and that he is scum for it. but I think I explained, reasoned why it sucked, and that a tell like OMGUS (an unreasoned countervote) should not be used here. It is not applied correctly.PhilyEc wrote:
^OMGUSMyk wrote:unvote vote KMD mostly gut, but this play just points at him being scum. It is not a big difference, but as town he would never semi lurk this way, tunneling till over page 10 on a pregame post.
You had far more stuff to vote for Tenchi then went to voting for KMD mainly on gut feeling. I'd say its more likely its because he suspected you so early on.Fos-
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because I can. Not that it matters, you are certainly not town, but that is all I think about you. But scum you are, and scum I want to lynch.Kmd4390 wrote:
That's called SK. And why the need to differentiate between SK and mafia on Day 1?mykonian wrote:
that is one reason I think you are a survivor with a nightkill and yes, you are trying to. You are not that much in control as I have seen you before.Kmd4390 wrote:Myko, first, look at my posts and tell me I did nothing else. Second, look at everyone else's post and tell me I'm "unnoticed" (which I'd hate to be as scum anyway as I like to have control. See Spy's recent game.)
and that his post was: why are 1 and 2 still alive? If he was here, he would have known. But he lurked, and brought nothing new.
He doesn't like that even after Page 12, my vote was still on him.Iecerint wrote:
To clarify, you're saying that his vote on you sucked (i.e. not his current vote on Tenchi)?mykonian wrote:I say KMD's vote sucks, and that he is scum for it.-
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I thought you could close them only from outside, and phily had his room closed then (hey, I could have known...), so I wondered what would happen if I joined him and then closed the door so we would be together.Battousai wrote:also mykonian, you missed a question I asked you. Why did you try to close the exit room?
well, nothing.
plus, this being mafia, I don't think there is an exit that can save us. But that had nothing to do with my choice.-
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Tenchi is a player that tends to play with fire, like he does here. His things he said were scummy, but he took risks, something I consider town.
KMD does exactly the opposite. Tries not to stand out, but still be here. Brings little new, doesnt lead the game, like he likes to. Scummy behaviour for certain.
Phily: you are looking too much at prove, not at motivations. A player that takes risks, and stands out, is per definition more town. Check the meta on this site.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?PhilyEc wrote:The only risky behaviour I've seen has been scummy. You can say Tenchi is town for putting his neck out on the line after attacking both me and Batt but in truth his approach was scummy. Scum do attack people, scum also bus. From what I've seen you condone Tenchi's actions but go on to say its too risky to be scummy using the same line to defend yourself. You condone Tenchi's actions enough to VOTE him but then move onto KMD therefore meaning that your gut feeling is stronger than the reasons you had for earlier voting Tenchi. It looks like scum bus no matter what light you shed on it.
Scum attack in plenty of games Myk, they take on the risks that are involved when guiding town into mislynches. Your defense is that you and Tenchi are both soooo risk taking that you can't be scum, that isn't something I agree with one bit.
I don't think I said anything about myself, and all you wanted to know is why KMD was my vote, and not Tenchi, someone who I thought also scummy. Here it was, and now you: a. linked us, b. say I think him town c. say I defend myself, or try to look towny.
further I see the word: "bus" in there somewhere, and I have no idea why you would need to use that.
Phily, you attack me because I am a nice target, because there is a "contradiction", not because I'm scummy. otherwise you would never come up with such a post that is only usefull to make me look scummy. Because you are not looking for scum with that post, you are trying to make someone else look scum.-
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is that the problem... explain that then.PhilyEc wrote:The way I saw your double vote post Myk. You displayed suspicion on two players then went with one for far less reason than the other. You voted Tenchi then in the same post unvoted and voted KMD. It looks like you're preparing a defense when a Tenchi lynch comes up. I suspect you of pre-busing a partner in order to distance because of your voting pattern. Your replies chain you two together, not my post. My post highlights how you're saying both you and him are town for taking on so many risks.
Do you or do you not suspect him?
The reason I voted two persons in one post, is that I reacted directly on what I read. You can read it chronological. What KMD did on page 12 is so un-KMD, and while it is only one post, it is rather clear. Further, contrary to other games with him, I have trouble to remember what he said. He doesn't stand out. This is an added thing, that doesn't fit in his normal play.
Phily, why do I hear so little about KMD from you, and so much Tenchi-bashing? I do suspect him, tenchi has been second scummiest for a whole time, but you are doing a lot to make you look like KMD's buddy, defending him by attacking Tenchi. Please review what you are saying, as I'm certain that is not what you try to do.-
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Tenchi was IIRC the first to come with hard accusations, that were likely wrong. That is a town tell.Battousai wrote:Myko- please answer my request:
Tell me what Tenchi has done that is so risky, that scum would not do it.
but like Iece said: a towntell doesn't make him definate town. Just more likely then he would be without it.
I'm getting a bit more uncertain about my KMD vote, although his recent theories dont help, but Phily's buddying gets so obvious...unvote vote Phily
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no, bat, I said it before about Phily. I think it is fishy he actually doesn't say a thing about KMD, while he is accusing me for voting KMD.
and scum and town would go into the storage room, so I don't think that a good scumtell, while Tenchi did try to get the game really started that way.
and I did vote Phily, and I "coached" him. That is a way of expressing my theories about what he is doing here. I can't see how it is sneaky in some way.
o and phily, you again got the term OMGUS wrong. It is a reasonless countervote, something I again didn't do.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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no, Iece, I don't think there are 4 scum, and that is why I should try to get some order in this mess. I have the feeling I'm led too much by emotion. Esspecially when people form a case on me based on OMGUS alone...
Plus: Phily could be scum, but knowing Phily, that would mean: KMD is not his buddy, as he defends himself quite obviously.
KMD & Tenchi could fit together, KMD is not scared to attack his buddy, even sideways ("why are my buddy and that towny still alive?") but Phily and Tenchi are certainly not a team.
and I agree with what you said about Mafiaman, but he really doesnt fit in all this.
so there is much of my problem. I have problems with Phily defending KMD, but I don't think he would defend his buddy.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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mafiaman, and I have a bunch of people where I have little read on.Kmd4390 wrote:Myko, what is your read on me alone? What is your read on Phily alone? If Phily flips town at some point, what is your read on me? If Phily flips scum at some point, what is your read on me? If I flip town at some point, what is your read on Phily? For sake of completeness, if I were to flip scum, what would your read on Phily be? How does Tenchi fit in with all of those scenarios? Do you have other suspects?
If you turn up town, Phily is a bit more likely scum (buddying)
If you are scum, phily is most likely town.
if phily is scum, you are likely town
if phily is town, that doesn't say a thing about you.
Tenchi fits not with Phily scum, as phily defends you partially by making me vote for Tenchi. Tenchi scum would make phily town. But your attacks on tenchi could easily be early bussing, the way you posted them. So it doesn't say a thing about you.
@phily: it could be, I'm still trying to make sense out of your aggressive defense of yourself, and your defense for KMD with making me vote Tenchi.-
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Can't a man have two suspects, and like one better.PhilyEc wrote:Me, Attacking Myk for double votes, Myk, using this as excuse to accuse me of buddying to save his own hide.
Got it now?
what I hate, is that you disagree with my choice and then actively try to change that, to move my vote from KMD to Tenchi. I've been very clear why I believed KMD more scum then Tenchi, and why tenchi was second choice because of that.
you haven't been so clear why your defense of KMD is justified, and your attacks on Tenchi have been "he acted scummy and posting a lot shouldn't help him, and so shouldn't towntells be".
and this disagreement results in two votes on eachother, and you've been quite eager to make an OMGUS case on me. Not that protown, my dear.-
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just in case we are two townies bashing heads, could you provide the arguement in a way that I cant miss it, so I can try to react appropriately.PhilyEc wrote:What I hate is the fact that you never once addressed my arguement correctly so save your own hide.
because even as scum I don't go around arguments, so it is always a mistake.-
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BTW:Ztife wrote:@ Post 448
Why do you think phily and KMD are not scum buddies? Im not too clear on this point.I don't see Phily (before I say this) defending his buddy this clearly. He was actively attacking my choice to vote KMD. It actually wouldn't help scum, because it would have gotten them into the spotlightunvote Philysorry phily, I shouldn't have gotten you mad. And there is just too much chance that I'm attacking an annoyed towny (would surprise me if you played being annoyed).
And no, this is not to make you unvote, I expect you to think this is again a scum-action, but I don't care. All that can make you unvote is a glass of water-
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sorry, but like other people said, this case is not that great you think it is. It was a catchup post, and I was perfectly doing nothing wrong to vote twice in that.PhilyEc wrote:Me, Attacking Myk for double votes, Myk, using this as excuse to accuse me of buddying to save his own hide.
Got it now?
but this is not the whole point, you disagree that I choose for KMD. That is the point you attack me for. Not that I distance from Tenchi, no you say I shouldn't have voted KMD. Later KMD comes with the distance stuff (as I read it)
the other names should be more interesting then your own. Remember, you are supposed to look for scumMafiaMann wrote:Sorry I see my name being mentioned alot but I dont have the time to look for when it was first mentioned can someone please help me.
and on his attacks on phily, twice. Sorry for that.Iecerint wrote:I think myko's scummiest moment that is difficult to attribute to poor play has been his attack on Tenchi that in my view unfairly characterized his attacks on Batt.
the choice between voting on the big bandwagon with not a great case. (because tenchi isn't close to confirmed scum, there were towntells) or voting for what my feelings (slightly aided by evidence) on a person that hadn't been voted outside the RVS is not that hard. I believe in it, so doesn't that mean it is a good vote?Battousai wrote:Now I agree that your doublevote was obviously a way to track your thinking as you reread, but the outcome is what I find suspicious as well. If you would have voted Tenchi, and then revoted KMD for a good reason, then it would have been much different.
a. get a glass of water and calm downPhilyEc wrote:How could I be any clearer as to why hes been acting scummy at this point? Why dont you post your opinion rather than piggybacking? It seems like you're fishing for a good point to use.
b. you are suprisingly aggressive against people that question you. There was nothing wrong with Kreviovs questions. Kreviov actually somewhat defends me, by saying your case is not that great. So do what he asks from you, step back, and stop tunneling.-
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NoKmd4390 wrote:
In response to Phily:Gregory wrote:
players who say they are town, mostly aren't. Why did you do this?Kmd4390 wrote:I am playing the game. I'm trying to lynch scum.
I saw Myko's post as scummy, so I voted him. Phily then told me to play the game for now. I said that by voting scum, I'm playing the game.Phily wrote:Lets keep him on the reserve list for suspects then? Play the game for now? With a setup like this scum slips are bound to occur.thatis defending against the accusation [/sarcasm]
no, but it makes this reaction more likely to come from town too. If I was already annoyed, and people seemed to misinterpret my arguments, I would tunnel on them until I got a glass of water. Not that it is great play, but if you are in that state of mind things happen.
I'd probably be suspicious of him if I didn't think the scumteam was Tenchi/Myko/Kreriov.[/qoute]and what do you think of the persons that are not seen as scummy by a lot of people?Ztife wrote: And KMD what's your read on phily?
You think only townies get annoyed?mykonian wrote: BTW:unvote Philysorry phily, I shouldn't have gotten you mad. And there is just too much chance that I'm attacking an annoyed towny (would surprise me if you played being annoyed).
And no, this is not to make you unvote, I expect you to think this is again a scum-action, but I don't care. All that can make you unvote is a glass of water
something I'm sure you knew. Much happier with my unvote after this post.-
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the other way around please. We have a reaction from phily, and we are supposed to find out if it comes from town or from scum. The "real" emotion makes the reaction also likely to come from town.Kmd4390 wrote:
I just don't see why it's a townie reaction. I've reacted that way as both alignments before.Myko wrote:no, but it makes this reaction more likely to come from town too. If I was already annoyed, and people seemed to misinterpret my arguments, I would tunnel on them until I got a glass of water. Not that it is great play, but if you are in that state of mind things happen.
something I'm sure you knew. Much happier with my unvote after this post.-
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the point is that he should calm down. If he does that by running a marathon I dont mind. Just to keep saying he should calm down is acting like his mother, and saying that he should run a marathon is rather weird.Battousai wrote:
You like to say this phrase a lot... I don't see how drinking a glass of water would make someone calm down.mykonian wrote:All that can make you unvote is a glass of water-
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the terrible is a bit weird. I have given the exact reasons, open and clear, what my reasons were for my both votes. Not so scummy.PhilyEc wrote:Perhaps I'm being paranoid but I truely think you've made one terrible slip in that double vote post.
I think you have seen me as scum. Assume I wanted to distance from Tenchi, but not vote him (already a weird plan), would I have posted clear points against him, that would warrant a vote? [/wifom]
So, the fact that I explain to you why I could vote Tenchi, but why I prefer KMD, doesn't that make that I'm not that likely scum?-
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Kmd4390 wrote:Myko:
-His "promise" to Looker.explained. Every game till now I have aggressively attacked Looker, when she was towny. It is not more then normal that I change the way I play then. She has been a bit lurky in this game now, something that is a shame, because her posts were not antitown.
-Basically lurked through the beginning of the game.v/la for the most part.
-Took 12+ pages to respond to my serious vote on him.strawman. The above explanation was given short after it (a defence). When I reread and you are still hammering that on page 12, I attack you for it.
-OMGUS's me by letting the case develop as I respond to him.don't get this point. I hate the word omgus, I gave my reasoning
-Votes me over Tenchi, who he actually, you know, HAS a case against.that is much too easily followed by the wrong people, and there are things that point at Tenchi not being scum. Enough for me not to follow the case-
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gut=fake? and the fact that he voted for pregame talk, for 12 pages? fake?Gregory wrote:I see I'm voting someone now, so
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Myk and KMD, your cases against eachother look fake. at this moment, it wouldn't surprise me if you were distancing.
Propositionwe are not getting a lot further. Maybe it would make sense to get more talk about a lynch?-
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You said the reasons looked fake. Now you say they were too weak. Now I want to hear from you why you think that. Quote my reasons and show why it is fake.Gregory wrote:
never said that. Don't lay words in my mouth.mykonian wrote: gut=fake?
yeah, the reasons you had to vote eachother, was so weak you allmost couldn't take it serious.mykonian wrote: and the fact that he voted for pregame talk, for 12 pages? fake?
yeah, ok. first you're accusing people, and when they fight back, you're only protecting your own butt. What do you want? Stay alive or scumlynch? [/quote]?mykonian wrote:Propositionwe are not getting a lot further. Maybe it would make sense to get more talk about a lynch?
I think 20 pages is about long enough. And I have the feeling esspecially around Kreviov discussion is not that constructional anymore. It simply doesn't help.
I don't get what you are accusing me of. Most people would have an opinion of me, I think except you and mafiaman, people would have an opinion on anybody.
So exactly you would be save from a lynch, not me. Because people are attacking me, and I want the day to be ended soon. So sorry, but I think you didn't have a clue what I was saying.-
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I think that I explained before that Tenchi took risks. That is towny the way I see the game. But his "aggressive" starting, weak cases, wrong points, etc, also looks scummy: but could one do better? It did start the game, and he had little to work with. It seems like scum had an easy target with the first person that acted. It makes that I have little confidence in that wagon.Kmd4390 wrote:-what are the points in favor of Tenchi being town? Why are they stronger than your case on Tenchi or anyone else's?
and sorry for the format. Just that I don't know how to clearly answer multiple questions.-
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but I hope you get the point where I think I get that feeling from. Tenchis mistakes were the reason he was attacked, but mistakes are going to be made if you try to create something out of nothing, something Tenchi tried.Battousai wrote:So far the only risk you have stated is that he attacked me with bad reasoning. Also, Tenchi wagon is the second wagon as I was technically the first person to act and he tried to form a wagon on me.-
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Ok, Kreviov went up my list very, very fast. He picks the three suspects as top three that are not really scummy, but are targets (still sorry phily, I shouldn't have done it).
Like the point about Phily: being too defensive about mistakes... Nobody likes to make them, and it makes clear that Phily is attacked for mistakes: not for scumslips (mistakes made by scum). Any town should see the difference.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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agreed. Though it was a weak case that you continued too long.Kmd4390 wrote:
So you suspect one less than half the game. Awesome. And two of those (obviously not yourself) match mine. And yet I'm suspicious for pushing a bad case?Kreriov wrote:@Mykonian - Ok.
My suspects are a as follows with a brief reason why.
Tenchi - Jumping wagons for little or no reason.
PhilyEc - Being way to defensive about mistakes
Mykonian - This whole weird KMD back and forth thing
Kmd - Pushing a bad case
Ztife - Lurking
^Spaghetti tactic.Kreriov wrote:@Myko - Yup, why do you think I removed my vote? Anyway, you asked. None of those scum suspicions are very strong. One reason I am not voting for anyone Will be interesting to see what others have to say.-
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eh, why am I put in a list with ztife and Gregory. And why should I seek scum for you? and why do you threaten us? what makes you think a no-lynch is even possible?Looker wrote:Myk's Post 519 - Sorry, but trying to handle RL matters simultaneously. Either way, I would appreciate it if you, Gregory, & Ztife could come up with some suspicions or something to get the game moving. Aren't we still under deadline? Are we intentionally heading for a no-lynch?-
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ztife would be the "save" lynch for me (in case everything fails), where I expect this to be Tenchi from the rest. I am against a tenchi lynch.
I rather have KMD, or Kreviov at the moment. I think. Need a reread (and sleep), but that should be the general way I'm thinking. I don't want phily anymore.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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uhm, no I defended quite early. I later attacked you on it.Kmd4390 wrote:
Because it took that long to get a reaction.
So I seek them for myself. But looker shouldn't ask me who is scum when she doesn't say a thing herself.
Um, isn't that the main goal for a townie?mykonian wrote:And why should I seek scum for you?
4 top picks. not upset by 3. uhm...I want to lynch Tenchi or Myko. I'd be more than happy to lynch Kreriov. I'd be willing to lynch you. I wouldn't be upset lynching Bitchi, Zt, or Gregory. Anyone else, not my top choice, but I'd take over a no lynch.
expect me to change it. Though after the discussion with Phily I got more convinced of Tenchi town, mostly by myself. And I am worried by Kreviovs picks.mykonian wrote:ztife would be the "save" lynch for me (in case everything fails), where I expect this to be Tenchi from the rest. I am against a tenchi lynch.
Funny, I thought you suspected Tenchi. And note the distancing from Kreriov here.I rather have KMD, or Kreviov at the moment. I think. Need a reread (and sleep), but that should be the general way I'm thinking. I don't want phily anymore.
the problem is, I see scum anywhere, but I don't want to pick 7, like KMD does. So sorry for that post that was too early, maybe I should have stayed calmer. KMD still is top pick for early game, that remains.-
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mind if I will be a testcase what happens if you don't? because I really doubt it is that easy. I expect at least some negative traits, or only first persons in a room to make it. For example, the library doesn't need to give sane cop abilities, and the hospital could give quacks in stead of docs. Because otherwise this game would surely be too easy.Battousai wrote:First it started as only scum would go into rooms to unlock their NK abilities. Then the newest theory is that players get powers by going into a room.-
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eh: I said it after you did it, while I obviously already thought this a long time, seen my little movement. And if all those players get more then one powerrole, because of all the rooms they have seen, yes, then you should think about how powerful you really can be.Battousai wrote:Am I the only one who thought testcase was testicle? I need to go to bed... haven't gone to bed yet.
I interpret the last post as: put doubt in anyone who gets a powerrole's mind as to if their role is a negative one and to discourage others into going into rooms.
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This puts you past Tenchi on my list, but only marginally due to his lurking.
remember, the mod doesnt want this game to be easy.
conclusion: no, I don't want to discourage movement, yes I want you to doubt the strength of the pr's you could get.-
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the main problem I have with that weak case, is that he obviously hasn't seen that it was weak in 12 pages. That makes me think he is scum that thinks he has found a towny mistake and continues to push that. I have no idea why he would bring it up again in a post that tells close to nothing.Gregory wrote:
I agree, KMD's case against you was weak, but he thinks he saw a slip, so why should you Fos him for his opinion? OK, he's probably wrong, but does that make him scum?mykonian wrote: myko has only pregame posted a joke towards looker about previous games. You come with your perfectly logical argument that I must have made a slip. Didn't think so:FoS KMD
gut and other games. Can be usefull, but it is also an easy reason for scum to vote someone.mykonian wrote:unvote vote KMDmostly gut, but this play just points at him being scum. It is not a big difference, but as town he would never semi lurk this way, tunneling till over page 10 on a pregame post.-
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one problem I have with this whole theory is that he agrees that KMD's case is weak, and kept too long, but he disagrees with voting for that. It is kind of the main piece of my case against KMD.Gregory wrote:
true, but I'm not saying it to offend myko, I'm saying it because I think they are distancing with this. Making such cases against eachother, that are too weak to lynch someone, but make clear they want eachother dead. At least, that is what I think.PhilyEc wrote:I hate how people go around discarding cases and calling other people's cases weak. Its lame.
but I have to agree with KMD, greg hasn't yet got all my alarms going. could be because way too many people are way too careful. I see only action from Phily and Batt, and further people are too much playing along. Iece does something, and then a lot of people that are not trying hard enough.
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to reinforce the statement that too many arent doing a thing: half of the players have probably not even given a serious vote. And the distancing between KMD and me is more likely: since we don't vote for each other.
KMD has had a history of two votes (seen the counts) that stayed long. Both were on lurkers "that he didn't want to let go" and on not that great cases (seen the protown things that did come from Tenchi).
it is not a lot, but I would expect more active hunting from KMD. His voting suggest more waiting scum.
And no, this is not a great case, but one I would like to go for.vote KMDSurrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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uhm, I dislike Kreviovs recent play, certainly who he thinks most likely scum.Mastin wrote:Heh heh. Took me a while to figure out that Wolf is who I am replacing. Had to scan the mod's posts in iso to find it. <_<
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The last two pages make me dislike Myk and Kreriov, and I see a possible buddy connection already. Will have to look into it with more detail.-
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because it was his forth or fifth pick in his last list.Mastin wrote:
Thing is, aren't you both voting KMD?Mykonian wrote:uhm, I dislike Kreviovs recent play, certainly who he thinks most likely scum.
If you dislike who he thinks is most likely scum, why do you two share the same vote?
KMD has been first choice for me after his lazy voting, and playing. I have no idea why Kreviov suddenly thinks he should jump at KMD too. You should ask him.-
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