Mini 757 - South Park Mafia (Game Over)

[mykonian]

I?

well, guess I'll have to.

[mykonian]

O, and while I'm here: scum lurked in the first six pages, and caf19 is on this moment my most serious target, based on interactions with Dejkha.

[mykonian]

page 8, that is it for today, I'm not capable of reading it well anymore

[mykonian]

I have not really read everything, but there are a few things I got from the recent posts that I didn't know yet, and that worry me:

a: I am suspected.
b: spolium is under attack

esspecially b is weird, as spolium has been one of the most protown players. I have some kind of meta on Empking-scum, that he will go for the most protown player. So, I would watch Empking. Also earlier, some of his posts only had as purpose to make things uncertain, to place doubt.


these are all not concrete things, and I don't think you can already expect that. I'm on page 11 now.

[mykonian]

Zazie definately took the: grab a stick, pick a towny, and start hitting till he is lynched aproach on Spolium.

Seriously, I don't know who was more protown day one. I disagree a lot with a Spolium lynch.

[mykonian]

vote Empking

FoS Zazie

(Hallo!)

Seriously, we pick the most protown player, lurking scum, and empking in one game, and empking lurks, till he can go for the protown player for one reason. It won't get better.

I must say that I didn't really have a feeling on DDD, that is the biggest gap I have, and that would need another reread, that I'm not going do now.

[mykonian]

I think that Empking's no different than he normally is, meaning I have no idea what his alignment is. Your recent exchange didn't sell me on Empking being scum. It strikes me that a better defense on your part may have been to simply ignore his "reasoning" and his vote considering how obviously flawed the logic was, but I realize you were attacking rather than defending, in which case I'm null-minded on the whole ordeal.

I think someone is suspicious when he aggressively attacks someone that has very little against him, only something mod-related. He just saw a reason to go for Spolium, and now he is continiously trying to get that mislynch.

At least, that is how I see it, and it is not the first time I see it from scum-emp. He is away, then he sees a opening for a case. He grabs a hammer and then keeps continiously hitting his target. It is as scummy as it gets.

True, I haven't seen emp-town often. But this fits exactly in his scumplay.

[mykonian]

happy

bandwagon

birthday DDD!

[mykonian]

yeah, emp, more information please.

[mykonian]

I hate to say this, but I have to believe Empking. I am going to assume he is not an idiot, and in that case, he is more likely to be protown (more likely, and not certain, because of WIFOM).

unvote

I think I should give caf, ddd, zazie a bit more attention from now on. That's where the last scum must be, from my point of view.

[mykonian]

wall-e, I don't want to seem to be defending Empking (that never!), but this was the way I thought.

RB is highly unusual to claim if you aren't one.
RB target is likely real, either done by scum or town.
if not, you get easily caught.

So, assuming Empking is not an idiot, he blocked caf. And that means it is unlikely he is scum. (would scum block caf?)

and yes, this has some problems, but it makes at least more likely that empking is town.

[mykonian]

vote zazie

(L-2)

you and your possible partner are seriously fishing. Your vote on empking after a claim screamed scum (thank you DDD, but I won't assume you are town only for that unvote).

and wall-e: I told you the reasoning had a few problems. So it only makes it more likely, not absolute

[mykonian]

The part between the () makes it more unlikely that he is scum.

I'm sorry, I thought I was correct by not specifying the amount, and I thought scum could also be a multiple. On 12, 3 scum total wouldn't be weird, so that is the amount I'm gambling on.

but I'm not sure. In any case, I didn't mean to say that I thought there was only one left because I assume that is not true.

[mykonian]

Spolium, the way my post was posted means that I'm not going to say that. You are smart, I'm sure you can find out.

No it is surprising how soon people find out every time (I'm dutch)

[mykonian]

Also, why would an idiot necessarily not block Caf?

you misunderstand something here. Scum, that was not an idiot, would not block Caf.

omg, missed something. And does this fit?

Caf claims that he knows something about the nightkill.
empking claims to have rb'ed Caf.
caf does not cc.

caf/emp scumteam???

caf scum?

[mykonian]

I think he meant Zaz.

you are right. I found it with zaz, and I messed up. Zazie and Caf got switched in my mind.

OK, that makes that scum-caf-idea is gone for the moment. Doesn't make it that Empking is any more likely to be antitown.

[mykonian]

no, caf, it is something I'm avoiding on the moment. But it seems you can't find out on your own, so here we go: If Empking was scum blocker, he would have blocked Dejkha.

[mykonian]

spolium, yes, that was where my mind connected the wrong things.

but really, would it make sense to block dejkha, and kill him? He would be dead anyway.

[mykonian]

she is posting now. but not yet here.

(bump)

[mykonian]

mod: please prod zazie for us

[mykonian]

Zazie, we were waiting for you

[mykonian]

So even if he has made love to children, he's like bad.
But like I already said, power roles don't have flavour why they have that power.

ok, this was what I was against. Or you claim a pr here, or you are waiting for reactions.

And we would like to know where you got your information about dejkha from, that way ensuring a good lynch.

[mykonian]

Or you claim a pr here

And we would like to know where you got your information about dejkha from, that way ensuring a good lynch.

vote zazie (L-2)

you and your possible partner are seriously fishing.

*cough*Fishing*cough*


I'll tell IF majority wants me to.

yes, this is completely fishing, and in the most obvious way. Nice omgus BTW. You claimed to know something, crumbed that a bit. So now we know that you know, but don't know what you know. It is a bit annoying.

Let's see how many want to know.

[mykonian]

My opinion: I'm not convinced by Emp's claim in isolation. That he would have blocked me is somewhat unlikely, and his explanation (that I looked more town D2 than D1) is not backed up by his previous posts. When he was asked about his opinion of me, he didn't mention it all and just mentioned in a general sense that I looked town. There isn't really anything in his posts to make me believe him.

mykonian's opinion makes me pause for thought though, I hadn't really considered that. If dej was roleblocked as Zazie implies, however, it means that either

a) Emp is a town RB, and there is a separate scum RB who blocked Dej. (and then he got killed anyway)
b) Emp is lying scum.

While a) is possible, it seems a lot less likely than b). Emp is a good lynch today. He's probably better than Zazie as a lynch anyway - if Zazie is scum lying about her info, we can catch her in the lie tomorrow.

Vote Empking

L-1.

No need for Zazie to fullclaim for now.

You DID read why empking was most likely not scum roleblocker, and just like Wall-e said, do you really try to get a town PR lynched by something zazie IMPLYED? No way...

unvote vote Caf19

[mykonian]

and this is a weird pr claim from zazie... of course, it fits very well.

or it solves her problems...

[mykonian]

Zazie, I'm not going to be blind for totally bad actions from scum around that.

On this moment, Empking has very little against him, because his claim makes little sense as scum roleblocker. Your claim is... well, I don't want to lynch you for it yet.

and there is caf, who puts someone, who he knows the reasoning that that person is most likely not scum, at L-1, because someone implied something...

That is as scummy as it gets. No hard prove, just: she said something like that, and now we are going to lynch a PR.

[mykonian]

On this moment, Empking has very little against him, because his claim makes little sense as scum roleblocker. Your claim is... well, I don't want to lynch you for it yet.

He's lying as I've already pointed out, and I don't think he'd tell the truth if he's the scum roleblocker.
From the looks of the discussion between me and Empking, you should be able to figure out that both of us can't have a town powerrole. So one of us is lying. Caf may have had a stupid reason to you, but one of me and Empking is scum. This means that we can have one scum lynched for sure in two days. If caf is town, and if me and Empking resume this tomorrow, it will only cause trouble for town. So pick!

I disagree. But I'm not going to choose for Empking here. I think it is more likely that you are lying, as what you are claiming, is that the mafia blocked dejkha, and then killed him, a completely useless act, as he would likely be lynched after being blocked.

So, assuming scum doesn't consist out of idiots, Empking-scum is highly unlikely.

[mykonian]

spolium: I know you already showed how the mafia could have killed Dejkha, it just isn't a normal thing to do. You say they should be scared if he didn't use his ability: of course they wouldn't, they just would try to kill someone else!

So the reasoning could be right, but it would be a very unlikely choice to make, and thats why I say that empking is likely town.

I didn't miss it, I just think that sane people wouldn't do that.

[mykonian]

Caf also seemed to be buddying up early to zaz, same here again. Counts against Caf.

[mykonian]

I still believe that it makes no sense to block caf for a scum roleblocker.

[mykonian]

no, that is what my assumption was. If emp was a scum roleblocker, then I would expect him to claim his real target.

but what you said before that, that you should have said yesterday.

based on what I thought till now, only emp and DDD remain as scum. I thought spolium highly protown day one, and had the same feeling with nonny.

[mykonian]

I have no case, except that I have with two players here a protown feel, and that just leaves 2.

[mykonian]

just because I hate to see it that low in the list.

[mykonian]

2) I'm curious why mykonian seemingly only used his feelings from day one in deciding who scum would be. We had a long day two with tons of information, why would you forgo that and only use half of the information available to us in making reads at this point in the game?

I have a lot trouble reading you. (well, seen from experience, I'm not that great on finding scum, I can find town though...). I'm very sure about spolium, that isn't going to change. But wall-e is not that sure.

I just remembered my feelings from then. It was the clearest thing I had till now.

[mykonian]

I'm very sure about spolium, that isn't going to change. But wall-e is not that sure.

So you're completely unwilling to view alternative viewpoints in regards to Spolium. And you've already reversed field from saying scum had to be Emp and/or DDD to being "not sure" about Wall-E. I'm not liking either of those statements.

I'm certainly not changing this for debatable signs from the mod. I have no meta on nonny. So, while I was sure, I've made the mistake more often to make myself stop from thinking because I see no other way.

[mykonian]

spolium, if you were that good, and there is of course a small chance you are scum, then you fully deserve this win, because of your awesome play.

and I'm agreeing with DDD, I must have been wrong about Empking.

[mykonian]

DDD, how good are you as scum?

[mykonian]

Danny did some good things in the last end!

vote empking

I guess something will happen now.

[mykonian]

ok, not

unvote

[mykonian]

wie is de burgemeester van wezel?

ezel

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[mykonian]

bumping the thread. It stood way too low.

The last sentence was a dutch "echo" sentence.

The first two, were voting, seeing what happened, and unvoting when I couldn't watch the thread anymore.

[mykonian]

vote Empking

that is a subjective sentence, that doesn't add anything, and only tries to get suspicion on Spolium.

[mykonian]

I'm not going to unvote that soon this time

[mykonian]

I think I pointed pretty well out, what it is that is scummy and why it is scummy. I can't get it more objective then that.

so please defend.

[mykonian]

I think Spoilum lurking is veeery telling.

I don't think this is a fact. You are just turning something that is not scummy, and pretty normal in this game, because you, wall-e and Spolium were away, into something that is scummy for him.

and thank you for the insults. I love you too. It also doesn't help to move my vote.

[mykonian]

If you can't then I worry for you.

it doesn't help you.

[mykonian]

ok, first point, while I first pointed out that his play resembled the play I saw from him, and voted him for that, his claim seemed good to me, and I stopped thinking about it. Now, after some players I saw as protown stayed alive, and assuming two scum, he must be one of them.

The vote-unvote was a controlled vote to see what would happen. The vote now, is because I can really not see town making that post, he is only trying to shift attention to you, without any scumhunting intent.

[mykonian]

I am sorry, but could you restate that question? It is probably me, but short as it is, I have trouble to get what it means without context.

[mykonian]

yes, there is. It have done my best to find the correct lynch, I have compared you to earlier scumgames and saw the same kind of style. And that last post was a trigger, that post has no town idea behind it.

[mykonian]

I don't believe the way you pointed it out is a towntell. Far from.

plus, that you and wall-e are also not that active. And Spolium doesn't have to lurk because he is scared of you, honestly. There are easier ways to avoid you, usually.

[mykonian]

It meant that I thought it a scumtell.

and gambling that I'm around for less then half of the game (I don't know), I think I have with 49 posts done more then your 90 in the whole game. At least, I've said much more, while you had you funny conversations with DDD.

Usually does matter. Empking, face it, people don't often listen to you. I know that is harsh, but that makes that you are not really a danger to the person that you are attacking, because mostly, your cases don't make the most sense.

That only increases when people think you are scum. So there is no need to avoid you.

[mykonian]

No, they don't always do, but it is the most likely. So, it is the most likely that Spolium is not away because he is lurking, and therefor it is most likely your subjective statement about him was just to shift attention to him.

Plus, that the way you did it, would never be protown. It is antitown to try to make it look worse then it is, link it with being scum, and then try to push a weak case by screaming "LURKING SCUM".

that is as scummy as it gets.

[mykonian]

Plus, that the way you did it, would never be protown. It is antitown to try to make it look worse then it is, link it with being scum, and then try to push a weak case by screaming "LURKING SCUM".

that is as scummy as it gets.

I didn't scream anything. Lying to push a weak case? Now THAT's as scummy as it gets.

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No, you are pushing a case, on a debatable thing the mod said (it doesn't prove a thing). And now you are trying to revive that case to add to it that he is a lurker too. Like that is a solid scumtell.

I am also not pleasantly surprised that you call me an active lurker. Twice. Of course, I would like to know how you get to that conclusion. Because, it looks like you are trying to disqualify the person that votes for you.

[mykonian]

are you serious? And you are not scum?

[mykonian]

arg. I should really put my SK-o-meter on. This makes sense. Xtoxm had to be scum, and it explains why DDD was also scummy.

well, to be on one good lynch is already positive for me...

[mykonian]

dayvig DDD