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[Stef]

I'd omgus but cay already has two votes. Damn.

Vote falkomango

[Stef]

I'd omgus but cay already has two votes. Damn.

Why is that an issue?

It isn't. I like voting for people with no votes more.

[Stef]

Well I try not to post much in the random dicking around phase of the game unless people address me directly.

Why is that?

Mod:

Not Voting: list should have falkomagno on it.

[Stef]

As town, anything I contribute is white noise and unhelpful, as scum anything I contribute is potentially gonna give me away so the less the merrier.

So:
- as town it doesn't hurt to talk, just isn't helpful.
- as mafia it's dangerous to talk.

And.. you chose to talk the least possible?

Also, you claim you can't contribute as town in the RVS?

[Stef]

Bandwagon time.

Unvote
Vote CallMeLiam

[Stef]

Ehm.. I'm here.. was just reading the thread again.

[Stef]

Promising to post today. T_T

[Stef]

Same here. Exams period sucks.

[Stef]

I know I haven't said anything in a while. I'm in exams period and have little to no time right now. I apologized to korts for it and i'm going to do my best to be more ... talkative.

[Stef]

Alright. Reread the thread and i agree that falkomango is today's lynch. Reasons coming later on because I gotta set up a game thread and then leave for class.

Vote Falkomango

[Stef]

I've seen lazy townies

And what's the connection between lazy townies and me? I don't like to vote without building a case and building the case takes time. That's something I didn't have this morning.

I've also seen asses, do you see a connection to you?

[Stef]

Immediate actions: alignment investigate (result), kill

It was not a modkill.

You're obviously lazy, I assume you didn't really reread the thread or maybe skimmed it. I mean, you say you've built a case but you're not telling anyone else. Is this because A) its secret B) it doesn't exist, or C) you're too lazy to type it up in a coherent fashion.

I'll over you D) none of the above as a generousity, but you'll have to explain your reasons.

You are so generous, yet you fail to understand the concept of limited time. Even so, the promised reasons are up next.

Also: Note the fact that you still didn't give reasons for the vote, so don't get all fired up at me and then keep it to yourself! PROVE ME WRONG!

Note the fact that to set up this game thread at the time. Don't like reactions like the one you had. I clearly stated that I have reasons and that I will state them when I was finished with my other obligations. You responded with "YOU LAZY ASS!" and irony.

If you turn up scum I'd be shocked, though.

Wow.. a shock if I were scum? Why do you have such a strong belief that I'm town?

[Stef]

Also, due to the point made by SensFan

Unvote

I think Falko might be scum but don't want a lynch

yet

.

[Stef]

• In this post he argues that he unvoted because he prefers his vote to go for a better reason
  
  
• Although he claims he unvoted because he prefered to use his vote for a better reason he doesn't vote for anyone till this post when he OMGUS votes for IH so he didn't really have a better reason to use his vote for but he uses it when cornered to vote for the person pressuring him. Classic newbie scum reaction.
  
  
• His defense after the OMGUS is non existant in his next post when he starts the whole "alright, if you want me dead kill me but that's what the mafia wants!!!" and starts to call the people voting for him mafia while, weirdly enough, he makes the following choice of words:

  I hope that

  IH and scum

  maybe are happy now.

  Besides the obvious appeal to emotion he also somehow implies that IH isn't scum. Weird coming from a member of the uninformed majority. He can't be the cop clearing IH because then he wouldn't have voted for him.
  
  
• In this post he goes on with the appeal to emotion with "IS PAGE 4 FOR GODSAKE" and craplogic like "If everybody would have to explain every move over and over again, where were going?"
  So, in this post he explains the vote for IH as a result of IH pressuring him to answer questions. That's just dumb.
  
  He also calls (not sure who because he didn't really specify, think he's talking to Sens) stupid for pressuring and voting for him. His so-called explanation fails to convince me or actually answer some questions.
  
  
• In his next post he gives plenty of tells:
  1. "noticed who start it" - lol
  2. "And who the hell are you to tell me if my vote is bad or not?" - Craplogic
  3. "Not exactly pro -town, but at least not scum,since the attention is only bad to scum" - So.. he's clearly not scum because he attracted attention to himself? And he also claims to have done that on purpose when he said in this post that he unvoted because he started getting attention. That's an outright contradiction.
  4. "Because when you kill me, you will notice that I'm town" - More awful posting
  
  I rest my case on this post because there's just too much crap.
  
  
• Furthermore, in this post he goes on "explaining" his vote on IH which is clearly an OMGUS vote due to the fact that he doesn't really have any other arguments to back up his vote. Goes on and continues to insult SensFan, calls his point "bullshit" and goes on being extremely emotional and using craplogic.
  
  Also interesting how he keeps defending his position against IH by saying that people can't read. Also says that it's not up to him to say why SensFan's vote is wrong. Pretty much a dumb statement.
  
  After all that crap he goes ahead with an OMGUS'ish FOS on SF. Deflects by talking about inactivity and SF's avatar.

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To sumarize his next posts:
- He continues by unvoting and saying that his accusation of IH was really weak. Also admits to have lied.
- Votes SF who was still voting for him. His argument is that policylynches are not pro-town. That's a long way from someone being scum. That makes his vote OMGUS'ish
- He votes for Shadow Knight for being a lurker and says that he should be lynched when he claimed earlier that a Policy Lynch is a misslynch and it's anti-town enough to vote for SF but he goes ahead and votes a person for lurking.

Anyway, Falkomagno is by far the scummiest player in the game atm and needs to die.

I did really skim the thread earlier and he was still the scummiest player and warranted a vote. After a careful reread now and after his latest posts adding rocks on the top of his coufin I'm convinced that he's our lynch for today.

Vote Falkomagno

[Stef]

"I still think he's scum, but don't want to risk the fact that the scum have yet to kil land wll kill someone not on this wagon, since it would lead to a lynch two whole days before the deadline."

I call bullshit.

I call it "I'm rereading the whole thread and typing down my case and I don't want to be the deciding vote till I finish rereading, making my case and till I'm sure he's my best bet."

[Stef]

My vote stands.

[Stef]

Will reread and post today. Have been short on time.

[Stef]

I suck at these kind of setups.

Vote: Sensfan

[Stef]

Not opportunistic. I believe Goat was killed by SF. All he did D1 is tunnel on Falko (which wouldn't be that bad if he weren't an active player and which would have been great if Falko was actually scum). I'm gonna follow Goat's lead and see where it takes me.

Also, Oman, how am I in any way more opportunistic than Shadow? He was the third vote on Falko's wagon, voted almost immediately after Sens and all he gave as a reason was "newbscum much?". All he's done all game was to jump on a wagon against a townie when the wagon started getting hot without making any real case against him, to defend himself and to use WIFOM'y arguments to confuse the town.

Also, after goat's kill, Shadow offered two options for the reason of Goat's death and, weirdly, SF wasn't amongst the options even though he got almost as much heat from Goat as Cay did. I think either Shadow and/or SF are scum. For now I'm betting SF.

There's 6 of us left:
Sir Tornado
crywolf20084
Oman
SensFan
Shadow Knight
and me

I think it's pretty safe to assume there are 2 scum. No serial killer since there has only been one kill (except lynching) per day. That means that after the lynch, D3 will consist of 5 players. If the player we lynch today is NOT mafia we lose so.. we're in LYLO. If we vote no lynch there will be 6 of us tomorrow out of which the mafia will kill one so there will be 5 people left, 3 town and 2 mafia. I'm gonna think some more about the No Lynch but it might be our best shot.

[Stef]

Mafia:
SF
Shadow

Town:
Tornado
Oman
Cry

I'd be really surprised if it were otherwise.

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more "no lynch" sounds like a good idea. Tomorrow, with 3 town and 2 scum left, town will have the best shot at pinning down the scum.

The only reason I'd see for lynching today was if we re SURE about lynching scum which we can't really be sure of unless we have a cop confirming scum.

Want to hear your opinion about the No lynch. Till then:

Unvote

The post above is one example of ideas coming up as I type.

[Stef]

Somewhat simuposted.

You jumped on the person I considered to be your alternative to scum. Its purely oppertunisitic. And Shadow Knight is probably about as oppertunistic as you. And now you're hassling shadow knight after expressing no suspicion of him all game, trying to get me back on him!

I dunno, Shadow Knight/Stef is looking better and better.

D1 I didn't really commit to this game. Didn't express suspicion of anybody else than falko and Liam D1 due to not having enough time to play the game properly ( thus the 3 prods ). I voted for SF and would have voted for Shadow just as easily after rereading the thread and taking notes on each player. They are the only ones who look scum to me at this point. Cay would come in 3'rd place but I have townie vibes from her.

The No Lynch argument, I'll have to review that myself, I'm certainly not trusting you.

Fair enough.

[Stef]

So you'd rather risk losing the game now rather than voting No Lynch and having better odds at winning tomorrow while losing .. well.. nothing?

Everybody would much prefer to lynch scum today but, unless you're a cop or you know more than we do and you're not sharing, there's no way of lynching scum 100%. This isn't about being risky, this is about being anti-town.

I'm convinced that voting no lynch is our best bet atm. I will not agree to risking to lose this game D2 when we have better odds of winning on D3. I urge town players to not blow this game away because

some people

feel like taking an unnecessary risk.

Oman, if you're town, you're supposed to play to win.

Vote: No Lynch

[Stef]

You know, it may be worth making this attempt another day, but I honestly think that lynching scum today is our best way to win this game.

It would be if we were sure about who is scum, which town is not. Only people who know who is scum atm is .. well.. scum.

You say that a SK would be dangerous for the town but from what I can see from the role PM's, the SK has to submit a kill or it will be randomized. Only one kill/day so there is NO SK in this game. Why are you uneasy with something that has almost no chance of existing?

We're not a dumb town, we can easily get scum today so long as we don't let it drag to deadline where scum will dominate.

"we're" not a dumb town? Just because I said I don't think you're scum doesn't mean you can't be scum. With statements like "we (...) town" things get scummy.

We can easily lynch scum today but we might just as easily lynch town today and lose instantly. Today we have 33.(3)% chance of catching scum. With No Lynch, that goes up to 40%. I'd go for that any time of the day.

Also, how will scum dominate the game at deadline?

[Stef]

Mod: Can the SK send a No kill or is he forced to kill every day?

[Stef]

Mod: Alright, thanks

[Stef]

Only one kill/day so there is NO SK in this game.

So many things wrong with this, beyond what Korts pointed out.

Korts pointed that out because I asked him to. If i wanted to make the town believe something that isn't true I wouldn't have asked him to clarify.

Numbers required drop (need only highest bandwagon, don't need majority of players). Gives them the combined ability to work the vote harder.

Decreases the town's influence if they don't work together. That =/= scum dominating.

[Stef]

SF, are you reading the game?

[Stef]

I'd go with Shadow as well but there's no reason to pass up a good shot at narrowing the odds, is there?

[Stef]

There can't be 3 scum left so at least one of you is an idiot.

[Stef]

*snap*

I'll vote anyone to avoid a No Lynch, to be completely blunt.

Really?

If you guys are so keen on blowing this up and just going on a rampage, sure, let's close our eyes and vote shall we? Let's see what random.org says (6 of us so i'll just roll a dice): 6. The 6'th player in the player list is me. Ole! I should go right ahead and vote then. Or.. not.

SF gives just another evidence of scummyness. His suspicions of me mount up to

I don't have too much time right now, but I'll be voting Stef later tonight when I have time to compile my thoughts into a nice post.

and

(Unvote), Vote: Stef

I'll vote anyone to avoid a No Lynch, to be completely blunt.

He didn't really keep his word about that post with his thoughts, he voted for me without actually mentioning any suspicion and right after I clearly expressed my suspicion of him and voted for him, leaving that only for the NL which is the best shot for the town. A classic OMGUS vote.

If we're lynching shadow or stef I'll go for the lynch. If we're lynching anyone else I'd prefer a NL.

Oman, most of the game you've said I'm prolly town and now you're willing to lose this game to lynch me after one vote that you considered as opportunistic? That's a lil bit of a stretch in my book.

But is the extra 7% (!) worth taking a hit tonight? Maybe....

7% more chances for the town to win without losing anything? Is it worth a hit tonight? What the fuck? Why in god's name would a town player say that?

I'd rather lynch today than no lynch. My problem is that scum is going to leave me, stef, and cayke alive overnight and we'll be right back here tomorrow.

What in god's name is with those names? Why you me and cay? Are you suggesting two of the three: Oman, SF and ST are the scum?

Why would you prefer to lynch today rather than no lynch? I still think you're scum but humor me, please.

There can't be 3 scum left so at least one of you is an idiot.

Um who is this directed to?

Apparently, pretty much everyone except ST since he hasn't posted yet.

[Stef]

Apparently, pretty much everyone except ST since he hasn't posted yet.

Is there some "ignore user" option on this forum that I have missed for the past 2 years? Stef seems to have put me on it if he feels I haven't posted yet...

You haven't posted since I made my points regarding the NL, that is what I was referring to.

BTW, lynching today is mathematically the wrong move. It's the same situation when you are in a normal game with 6 players alive with 2 mafia or 4 players with 1 mafia. You just don't lynch under these conditions.

That's what I've been yapping about. Apparently 4 out of 6 disagree.

[Stef]

meh.. broke the tags. The right version:

Apparently, pretty much everyone except ST since he hasn't posted yet.

Is there some "ignore user" option on this forum that I have missed for the past 2 years? Stef seems to have put me on it if he feels I haven't posted yet...

You haven't posted since I made my points regarding the NL, that is what I was referring to.

BTW, lynching today is mathematically the wrong move. It's the same situation when you are in a normal game with 6 players alive with 2 mafia or 4 players with 1 mafia. You just don't lynch under these conditions.

That's what I've been yapping about. Apparently 4 out of 6 disagree.

[Stef]

Is Stef saying i'm scum now? ?Confused?

Anyway, yes I am thinking that stef is scum, I've said it for a while, and suddenly you're getting edgy because we're coming for you.

(Oh and Sens, if you'd vote *anyone* shadow Knight is a better choice because he has more votes, but whatever - another Sens/Shadow link here)

You are making no sense.

I'm saying you might be scum. Nobody and nothing confirmed you as far as I remember.

You think I'm scum but then again you say "another sens/shadow link here". Craplogic considering you would prefer to vote rather than NL when we're in LYLO.

I'm getting edgy because you're coming for me? Continue confirming that you are, indeed, thick. I don't want ANYBODY lynched today because it's a fucking anti-town. You don't seem to care too much about the town.

[Stef]

Also, Oman, who exactly is "we"?

[Stef]

And Stef, I'm not someone that plays by mathematical percentages, it doesn't work. The Town isn't randomly lynching, so the 7% is moot. I would actually say that it probably hurts.

The town might as well be randomly lynching. Right now I see 3 possible suspects. If I vote for the wrong one, that player is dead. Just got an idea. Wait a sec to think about it some more.

[Stef]

that player could be voted by mafia + 1 town and we lose*

[Stef]

Lost my temper, cay, that's basically what happened. As Oman said, the numbers don't lie and in spite of all this 4 out of 6 people prefer to lynch today.

SF most likely nobody can confirm you and you know it.

Shadow: Who would you vote for?

[Stef]

Are you stupid?

I'm sorry, Sir, I think that's a question better suited for you. Every town PR would have used their actions up till now since that would be imperative for them to work properly. The only one that could wait would be the cop but I don't think we have one since he hasn't claimed yet ( If we do, it would be the time to do it, you know ) so that's why the chances of anybody confirming you are/were slim to none at this stage of the day.

[Stef]

Also, if SF is scum he would have every interest for the town to waste their PR actions on Oman. Just putting it out there.

[Stef]

I'm still thinking SF is shadow's partner and shadow's last post seems to confirm it.

[Stef]

Stef has a vote on HIM*

Why would Sens be killed, Shadow? He's actually more suspicious than Cay.

[Stef]

Ok, I am almost convinced Sensfan is scum now.

Is there any reason you aren't voting sens then?

Read his posts maybe?

[Stef]

Anyway, this is going nowhere very fast, i'd be willing to drop the NL idea and work towards a scum lynch. I'm willing to vote any of the two. Let's decide who it will be.

[Stef]

Shadow Knight. He's far scummier, and if we're wrong, we don't lose a power role.

If we're wrong WE LOSE.

[Stef]

Almost lost my temper. My vote stands.