Mini 732: Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Mafia (Game Over!)

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/cownfirm

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vote: Megatheory

for completely ignoring the airtight case and voting Gorrad for self-voting.

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Vote: Rishi

I never liked Penny.

but Felicia Day is awesome.

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my vote wasn't random.

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happy with my vote

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Unvote, Vote: Megatheory

. I think I see what Fhwgwgads is getting at.

I don't know what you two are getting at. I voted Gorrad as a joke because I'm in another game with Plum and Danchaofan where... well, that game is ongoing, so I don't want to comment on it further. But both of them should have gotten the joke.

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I thought unvoting and then voting the same person for a different reason was funny, so I did that. Random votes are fun 'n' all that.

If you two want to cut us in on whatever you're talking about, I'd love to hear it.

Please, please, please. NEVER discuss (and especially never LINK to) ongoing games. The next person to do this will be modkilled without question or further warning.
--Glork

it can wait, actually. In fact, it probably should wait.

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I decided to be a bodyguard for porochaz last night. Since he's one of the more experienced players I figured he'd be a target.
Hmm, Malyss, you're up.

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Mod:

Is the weak doctor rendered useless if scum, in other words protecting scum will still kill him?

You don't need the mod for this I think.
Read the role. If he protects scum, whether he's scum or not, he's dead. Why is there a question about this?
Also, Dan, did you JK rishi or tony? I can't tell if you're joking about lying or not.

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Mod:

Is the weak doctor rendered useless if scum, in other words protecting scum will still kill him?

You don't need the mod for this I think.
Read the role. If he protects scum, whether he's scum or not, he's dead. Why is there a question about this?

There's no such thing as a mafia weak doc as a role (is there even a precedent for this situation?), so I thought confirmation wouldn't hurt.

there's smalltown precedent, which says that the role works the same regardless of the alignment of the player. Why would it change? Wouldn't changing it break the game?

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unvote, vote Danchofran

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unvote, vote megatheory

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unvote, vote megatheory

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with the vote-hopping?

I was voting Danchofran because I wanted to hear more about the completely idiotic statement that he made saying he might have lied about his night action target, now I'm going back to my first vote.

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unvote, vote megatheory

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with the vote-hopping?

I was voting Danchofran because I wanted to hear more about the completely idiotic statement that he made saying he might have lied about his night action target, now I'm going back to my first vote.

Okay. But why Megatheory? I know you said your vote wasn't random and you gave a reason when you first voted (which, to be honest, sounded like a joke), but what has Megatheory done since then to get your attention?

no-killed N1

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no-killed N1

No killing does limit my liability if I am scum, but it also had a 2/3 chance of killing a town player. I'd rather be under suspicion in this scenario.

sure, but that's almost the exact same argument as used for No Lynching in Newbie games. Why shouldn't we maximize the amount of town-aligned kills if we have the chance?

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no-killed N1

No killing does limit my liability if I am scum, but it also had a 2/3 chance of killing a town player. I'd rather be under suspicion in this scenario.

sure, but that's almost the exact same argument as used for No Lynching in Newbie games. Why shouldn't we maximize the amount of town-aligned kills if we have the chance?

Then again, Day 1 lynches grant info as well as a chance to hit scum. Night 0 kills do not. I see the benefits to N0 kills, but I don't think deciding not to is a scumtell. It's more related to theory disagreement, and I'd say rather bash it out in MD instead.

should we be directing the vig's kills?

Quote tag fixed.

[hasdgfas]

Could it be possible that my jail keep kept tony from making the kill?

There's also the possibility of you lying, because you are scum.

What's this now?

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I decided to be a bodyguard for porochaz last night. Since he's one of the more experienced players I figured he'd be a target.

I find it interesting that hasdgfas would bodyguard a player based solely on the player being more experienced and not apply his ability to protecting a player with a more helpful night action such as the doctor or the jail keeper?

Perhaps hasdgfas and Porochaz could be two of the scum players? There could be some logic to having Porochaz make the scum night choice while hasdgfas bodyguards him to protect Porochaz from potentially being offed by the serial killer or the vigilante.

Honestly, in a Smalltown, I don't care about their roles, especially night 0. I'm going to choose someone who I think will be targeted for death because they could be very helpful for the town, even more so than their night action.
If I had to choose between a vanilla-townie Glork and a kill-immune-vigilante-cop-doctor Natirasha, I'm going to choose to bodyguard Glork because he's far more useful, even without having a power role.

I find it very interesting that you don't simply ask me why I would choose to protect an experienced player over someone with a more useful action, but instead you jump into saying that we could be scum together.
Why is this?

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I'm just wondering, though, if that's the right thing to do. I think Smalltown games are won and lost as much in the night phase as in the day phase. It is also really difficult to scumhunt sometimes, because it's fairly easy for someone to look town when discussing theory.

Somewhat, but, I mean, we still have to lynch scum, so we have to pay attention to the day phase and scumhunt.

Also, for those of you playing along at home, I'd like to point out that this was the first post by H-cow that was more than a couple sentences. Glad you're coming out of your shell.

And your point is?

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I don't like hasdgfas willingness to catch a bullet for a doublevoter. You say you suspected he would be a target for being a good player, and later added that you wanted him around because he is a good player.
Is he really good enough to die for?

I'd trust him if town more than some people with "better roles". Also, note that I didn't say "good", I said "experienced". Almost the same thing, but not quite.
I also find it silly that people are bringing up the fact that he's a doublevoter. I DO NOT CARE WHAT HIS ROLE IS. I WOULD RATHER HE BE ALIVE TODAY THAN SOME PEOPLE WITH "better roles".
What is scummy about that?

I'm not that familiar with his work, is he really renowned enough to make him a target in a smalltown, regardless of power?
And you talk highly of his ability to catch scum, but the chance of him being scum doesn't seem to cross your mind.

Really? Because of course I think he could be scum. I just thought that protecting him would be a better choice than some other people.

Since there's no abundance of votes, and I feel I'll be in good company:

vote:hasdgfas

I like the addendum at the end, like voting for me is all right because you think other people will vote for me.
Plus, I don't understand why you think I'm scummy.

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we could always stick our watcher on rishi and confirm gorrad for cumulative tracker. From N0 events I'm willing to give +town points to both watcher and weak doc so have them confirm gorrad and we'll have effectively 3 town investigative roles.

Also given N0 events I think we say it's reasonably unlikely that me, rishi, fuzzy, has, and porochaz- it's bad for town to immediately discount the possibility as among the any of these groups could have taken a wifomic approach to their night actions. Because of the potential usefulness of gorrad and our ability to control mega's kill I think they should also be taken off the lynch list.

That leaves us with a lynch list of plum, ruck, malyss, and tony...

Is there a reason you're giving us a 4-person list?
I don't understand that, are you just telling us to ignore everything that the other 7 do?

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Your going to have a problem this game, and what I write when Im drunk wont be repeated if it makes a senbelence of sense.

Anti-town.

Please explain.

And

unvote vote Rishi

auto vote for taking off the random vote. Why? There wasnt a danger of a lynch. By taking off the random vote it nullifies its usage. Making lots of fail.

Call me naive, but I thought we voted for people that we wanted lynched.

Right, but if you don't have something productive to do with your vote at the end of the "random stage", why are you taking it off? How does that help the game?

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What he said. I post drunk frequently, I can still play the game, you just have to read throught the spelling mistakes.

I can read through spelling mistakes. Grammar mistakes must be clarified.
And saying pre-emptivly you won't repeat yourself when drunk is anti-town.

Btw, town, if i make any scumslips while drunk

, I'm just gonna ignore you all.

This implies that you're scum.

unvote, vote: TonyMontana

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The fact that you were attempting a joke is obvious; the useage of the word 'scumslip', however, still pings my scumdar. It indicates, well, a scum POV.

You just used the word scumslip. OBVSCUM!

it's not the fact that you used the word scumslip, it's the fact that you said you might make them. Town don't make scumslips, they may say things that sound scummy, but they're not scumslips.

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it's the fact that you said you might make them.

If you believe I did, then I don't believe I can possibly reach you intellectually.

Then what was it, Tony? How am I supposed to believe you when you're not explaining this?

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Here Tony, I'll quote your whole post.

What he said. I post drunk frequently, I can still play the game, you just have to read throught the spelling mistakes.

I can read through spelling mistakes. Grammar mistakes must be clarified.
And saying pre-emptivly you won't repeat yourself when drunk is anti-town.

Btw, town, if i make any scumslips while drunk, I'm just gonna ignore you all.

How is this, as you say, "blatantly obvious satire"? It's apparently not obvious at all if you're the only one who thinks so.

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I would like to state that I hope any town who is voting me for the "slip" chokes on my balls one day.
I also would like the chance to state my final thoughts before I get lynched.

Um, ok Tony. Go ahead. We're not stopping you from posting your thoughts. Why did you feel a need to ask? If you are town and you have anything to say, then just come out and say it. Why hold back?

Uhh... I wasn't ready then, I'm not ready now. ¬¬ I wasn't asking, I'm at L-1 and just expressed a wish.

You need to be ready, because deadline is very close and you can't put it off forever.

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hmm, perhaps it is a good thing I've been sick.

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Mod:

Real life is extremely crazy right now and I have a bunch of crap to do, so I'm V/LA until Tuesday, and will be doing my best NOT to post so I can get everything done. If you feel that's too long, feel free to replace me.

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back tomorrow guys. If you have any questions for me, feel free to ask them as I'll see them in my re-read.

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Catching up. At least not much has happened >.>

I don't like posts 242-244 that all comment on how nothing's happening, but don't do anything to cause things to happen.
Post 248 - Yos2: I prefer maximizing the amount of town-controlled kills. Sure, it might also be scum-controlled, but I still prefer using it. Maybe calling it scummy was a bit harsh, but I don't like a no-kill here.
Post 251 - Ruck: Although Mega did express suspicion of fuzzy during day 1, so I don't find it all that strange.
Post 252 - Yos2: Still want me to claim my target?
Post 259 - Gorrad: Hmm, role arguments in a smalltown aren't usually a good idea, IMO. Scumhunting is still pretty important, and everyone has a role, it's not like we can say "oh, vanilla, easy choice for a vig kill"
Post 268 - Gorrad: I don't like the argument of "I might die quickly if I take a good role". Isn't getting killed due to role better than being killed because the scum think you can scumhunt for them more easily?
Post 277 - Yos2: If you really think someone is scum, why shouldn't you kill them, even if it might lose the game for the town? Would you rather control it or have to convince the town you're right?
Post 279 - Yos2: I agree with Yosarian2 about Gorrad.
Post 285 - Gorrad: Why do you find him suspect? I haven't seen you express any reasoning for it, and with the fact that Yos was supicious of you first, this seems like pure OMGUS to me. I also don't think it's a bad idea to keep him from killing if we mislynch.
Post 288 - Porochaz: I find it very strange that you don't have

anything

to add to what's been said today.

I'm going to

FoS: Gorrad and Porochaz

I feel them as scum right now. I really don't like Post 285 where he expresses suspicion of Yos2 with no reasoning and says that a self-vig is a good idea.
Porochaz has done nothing, which is probably the best scum play right now.

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Post 252 - Yos2: Still want me to claim my target?

Is there some reason you don't want to? Everyone is claiming targets today, right?

Sure, and it's not like I didn't want to, but other things had been discussed.
Anyway, I forgot to send in a choice, because I was sick during night and completely forgot I hadn't sent my choice in. I sort of hinted at this at the beginning of the day when I said it was a good thing I've been sick, because I would have probably protected Rishi.

Will respond to Gorrad when I get back from class later.

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Ok, the three posts you brought up:

259: I already stated my feeling on this. I didn't think Fuzzy was scum, I wouldn't have chosen him as a vig, and the fact that he was one of our two remaining information roles (the other being the death-prone Weak Doc) is nothing more than icing on the cake. Plus, the fact that he was such a role makes him an optimal mafia choice.

Did you just not remember that Megatheory kept expressing suspicion of fuzzy or were you taking that into account?

268: I thought at the time that I could not use my power during the day. Whether or not this assumption was true, I'm not currently saying. I didn't expect three of the best roles to die in one night. Should I have taken the role? Probably. That was honestly a mistake in judgment on my part.

but you still could have taken tracker during night 1, why didn't you?

285: Reread that post, Cow. I say it's a bad idea for him to kill, and that includes himself. In 285 I say it's at least a bad idea for him to kill if we mislynch, then in 287 I extend that to no vig tonight no matter what. Yeah, under different circumstances, I would say it's a good idea for him to do so, I think he's scummy. But now? No.

I state suspicion of Megatheory/Yos in posts 51 and 253, and I spend a good amount of D2 challenging Megatheory's target of Fuzzy. I thought that was enough prior base that the fact I was suspicious was obvious.

You think Yos is scummy or you think Megatheory is scummy? What do you think of Yos since he replaced in? You may have voted megatheory in post 51, but I can't be sure that you were actually all that suspicious of him as you never explained the reasoning for it, unless I just missed it. Plus, 253 is suspicion of Megatheory again and not Yos.

Hasd, what do you think of 291/293?

I think Porochaz is suspicious for not really saying much of anything, but I'm not sure I want to lynch him just based on role.

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Sorry to double-post: Do y'all realise that deadline is Saturday?

I want to hear from the people that aren't actually saying anything.

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Sorry to double-post: Do y'all realise that deadline is Saturday?

I want to hear from the people that aren't actually saying anything.

Oh, yeah, agreed.

Also, if you were going to vote for someone right now, has, who would it be?

probably Gorrad, but I'd consider Porochaz, even though Gorrad is preferred.

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ugh, I really don't like that it's been two weeks since we had a mod post which could lead to a no lynch

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Yos, if you vig tonight, vig Porochaz. If your kill and mafia's go through, then we're at five tomorrow and Poro-scum can quicklynch.

wow is that scummy.

vote: Gorrad

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I would like to hear what Empking did before we end the day so quickly

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That's WIFOM. I don't think you're scum but I haven't ruled it out.

that's not WIFOM. That's common sense. Slow-rolling a win is stupid, because then there's plenty of ways to lose.

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I want Has and Plum to defind WIFOM.

I can't tell if you're saying define or defend.

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WIFOM is something that can be logically shown to be circular logic.

That is, scum saying "why would I do X?" if it can be shown that what they did was in their best interest.

Yos not hammering is not in his best interest simply because there is no way to say that not winning the game there is better than waiting a day.

This probably doesn't make sense, but it's hard to explain the way it sounds in my head.

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ok, sorry that I haven't posted in a while. School has been crazy. I hope to get something up in the next day or two, however.

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Empking, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
Could you go over this again?
Are you saying we shouldn't ignore Yos or what?

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Empking, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
Could you go over this again?
Are you saying we shouldn't ignore Yos or what?

Yes

Yos: So you do have a reason?

Is that really all you had to say about this?

So, has, why are you lurking so hardcore here?

mod disappearances make my interest in games wane. I should be posting more, but for some reason, I feel like nobody cares about this game.
I don't even know what's going on right now because I feel like we're not playing mafia. Maybe I need to look back at this game.

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Plum: What about Malyss made her seem town to you?
I need to read yesterday to see if I can get anything from it.

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sorry for completely sucking after about day 1. A mod leaving makes me just stop caring, as sad as that may be.