I Know You Are But What Am I- Mini 723 (GAME OVER!!!!)

[Lawrencelot]

Merry Christmas!

I say "Don't claim anything!". If we know someone is scum or town, keep silent until we all decided what's the best thing to do. We can all decide for example that we all reveal the players who are scum. I am not sure if that's a good idea, because it is possible that you out a scumbuddy this way, whether the chance is lower or not. Maybe all revealing what role we know while keeping the player names to ourself is an idea? In any case, let's not do anything before a majority agrees with a good plan.

[Lawrencelot]

Why would we lynch a townie? It's good for scum, yes, but for town there is no benefit whatsoever, while lynching a townie in a normal game does come with benefits as the scum knows their own alignment. I like crywolf's plan the most until now: either we all claim who we got information on, or we all claim what role we have info of and make it an open game.

But a scum PM usually tells who the partners are too. Shouldn't people have PMs that say X is scum with Y and Z partners?

That would change things. It's important to know whether this is true. So I got a new plan:

We all claim one of these two things:
1) If I got a scum role pm, it states only one scum
2) If I got a scum role pm, it states the partner(s) as well
People who don't have a scum role pm should claim 1). Who agrees with this plan?

[Lawrencelot]

WIFOM does not exist in this game (oh man that sounds good) until someone knows his own role

[Lawrencelot]

Then what is your suggestion?

I mean, this thing can be soo WIFOMy. Because you don't know your role, and you don't know if anyone might be blatantly lying.

Why would anyone lie? It does not help them to lie. Unless someone claims: "I know Lawrencelot is scum", then I could lie or not (wifom) about my own info. That's why we're not massclaiming.

[Lawrencelot]

Hm I just noticed a stupid error in my plan. It reveals whether we got a town or scum pm. Let's just ask the mod first:

Mod

: does any scum pm mention scum partners?

[Lawrencelot]

It doesn't sound bad to me that we all claim the player we got, but what are the advantages and disadvantages?

Advantage: Nobody can lie about this, as everybody got 1 player, and the players with a scum pm might have the whole scum group or also 1 player. We can try to find out our own alignment by watching the player who has your pm.
Disadvantage: we can't all claim the role we got or town is going to win (and who says you want town to win?)

Looks good to me. If there are no objections I'll claim my player.

Also I'd like to note that town might not be a majority in this game. The mod probably thought of the massclaim option (every mod should do something to prevent massclaiming to an easy victory) so he also thought that if this was a normal setup but with the current mechanics, town would win if there was a massclaim. I wonder what solution there is to this.

[Lawrencelot]

Okay I start. I know afatchic's role.

[Lawrencelot]

Also, I don't see the point of letting the person claim who was claimed last. Let's just all claim the player (not the role) we got.

[Lawrencelot]

Vote: no lynch

I just thought of something. If there is a cop in this game (which is not unlikely, as this role is mentioned as an example in the OP), he can check himself to find out his own alignment. I personally think a tracker or watcher is more likely, since that makes more sense with the 5th game specific rule. Now, in a normal game, no lynching is bad because:
1) no bandwagon/lynch info and 0% chance of a scum death (if there is only 1 scum group)
2) scum kills someone, and your next position as town is worse than before

In this game, these both don't matter, because:
1) we can't get info anyway, because no one knows his alignment
2) scum won't necessarily kill town, because scum doesn't know he's scum. And if he did, how would it matter, we don't know if playing for the town is best anyway.

The advantage is, of course, that someone with an investigative role can find out his own alignment. As soon as 1 person knows his own alignment, we can start actually playing the game.

But first, we need to continue our massclaim.

[Lawrencelot]

Lawrence, no lynch is bad. Even in this game. If there is a cop, there is probably a miller and/or Godfather too. And giving the scum a free kill isn't good.

Giving scum a free kill doesn't matter because the player who controls the scum's kill can be either town or scum but doesn't know that himself. I suggest that if we no lynch, nobody kills (or we kill a lurker), only the investigative roles should do something.

And if whoever got a cop's role investigates themself, they can say town whether they are or not.

I am aware of that. They will claim town, but that doesn't matter. What does matter is that this 'cop' will know his own alignment, and thusly will help his own side. Play the game. And we can play the game by looking at his posts.

And that outs the real cop (which might be ok considering scum probably don't know who they are. I say probably because of the possibility of partners named in PMs).

Actually, if scum don't know who they are, is outing the cop really that bad? And maybe the scum's NK can be controlled by the town in thread. We could treat it like a second lynch. If the scum don't cooperate with that, they know who they are.

Agreed.

L is bad. Bad Bad Bad. A NL is terrible day one. It is a free shot for the scum. Not cool. D:

It's not a free shot for scum. Scum doesn't even control their own nightkill (at least, they don't know if they do).

So then hypothetically, if Spambot is a cop, and i die, who controls his investigations at night? does he just lose his role?

That's what I assume. Look at the OP and the examples with the Greek gods. There would be nobody to perform the power.

Also, maybe sirdanilot and 14 should claim their role. Or first answer this (if they want): sirdan or 14, would you consider it likely that your own role is the exact same role as the one you received?

Hah, I like this game. I don't need to reread my own post three times before posting, as any scumtell is a nulltell .

[Lawrencelot]

Hah, I like this game. I don't need to reread my own post three times before posting, as any scumtell is a nulltell .

Thats good to know for when I play another game with you. So do you try not to seem scummy in all your games?

No, I only reread my posts 3 times to check for spelling mistakes.

[Lawrencelot]

Mod:

just to be clear, even if a majority of the players votes for no lynch before deadline, the no lynch won't happen? What if there are no votes at all at deadline, or only votes for no lynch at deadline?

[Lawrencelot]

Stop posting right after I make a post...

[Lawrencelot]

Ok

Unvote

then I guess...

So who are we lynching? And sirdanilot and numberfourteen didn't answer my question yet (or tell me they don't want to answer it): do you think it's likely that your own role is the same role as the one you received?

[Lawrencelot]

A lynch is inevitable, no matter what. We might as well do a policy lynch. I don't think #14 and sirdanilot are scummy for having eachother's roles. I think it's a trick, or something, to lead us believe that they're scummy cause of the weirdness of them both having eachother's roles. I wouldn't be opposed to them both claiming, if it comes down to one of those two though, even though I wouldn't like one of them being lynched.

So would i be correct in assuming that you don't think the roles we received were randomized, but instead strategically given out?

Let's try to see if the mod will answer that. I think random player info and set player info are both equally likely.

Mod

: our own roles are randomized, right? But are the roles we received random as well, or does every role have info of a set role?

From the Mod: That's hard to say - I don't remember, honestly...

[Lawrencelot]

What I think is weird is that some people found a vanilla townie a good policy lynch...

Vote: Rekul

, if we lynch someone let's just lynch someone who is not useful to anyone.

[Lawrencelot]

sirdanilot, that doesn't make sense. Rekul is the one who is in essence vanilla: he doesn't control a night action, that's for sure. Let's lynch him instead. And I don't get how lynching Kmd is good for Kmd himself...

[Lawrencelot]

Pacman can you confirm this?

Interesting, so only sirdanilot and numberfourteen could find out their own role in a confirmed way... assuming the answer is yes to number14's question. But still no one knows his own role by investigation, right? Then we're not exactly better off than yesterday. Even Kmd does not know his own alignment if I'm correct.

[Lawrencelot]

Fine with me. But I doubt there is a lot of info out there. Maybe we even still have as much info as yesterday.

[Lawrencelot]

So KMD investigated 14 with RBT's cop power, therefore he knows 14's alignment (if he isn't vanilla). But numberfourteen, how do you know you're town?

...So are we role claiming now?

Right now we only roleclaim if we got an information role.

[Lawrencelot]

Kmd stop jumping around. I think you want to lynch a vanilla don't you? Maybe someone should claim a vanilla, it's always better than lynch a beloved princess or whatever... what do the others think? And also, since powerroles are definitely protown, we might even succeed in catching the scum. The only downside to lynching vanilla is that you might lynch your scumbuddy...

[Lawrencelot]

Alright things aren't going anywhere like this. Afatchic is a vanilla townie. I don't know if we should lynch him, but considering we have to lynch and most other people that were bandwagoned were powerroles, this might be our only option. If anyone had a scum pm, I'm sure someone would've claimed it by now (I don't really keep track of inactivity though).

Vote: Afatchic

. Sorry man, I preferred to see someone a bit less active to go away. If anyone has a vanilla claim on someone who didn't contribute much, I'll switch my vote.

[Lawrencelot]

Right now we are waiting for someone to claim vanilla on someone who is not so active. Else, we're lynching afatchic, whom I claimed vanilla for.

[Lawrencelot]

Where is everybody?

[Lawrencelot]

That doesn't make sense, as we don't know our own roles. The only one who we all know hasn't got a PR is afatchic, which is who we should lynch unless someone else claims vanilla. Remember that all the scum are 'hiding' between the vanillas, they just don't know if they are scum or not.

[Lawrencelot]

I did not receive any role information, that includes rekul's role. Maybe I'll get it later?

[Lawrencelot]

Mod

: shouldn't i get rekul's role?

[Lawrencelot]

I got Rekul's role now.

[Lawrencelot]

Didn't you claim beloved princess for him earlier? Is that claim not true? If so, why did you claim beloved princess? Why would we trust you? This game keeps confusing me.

Did you find out your own alignment OP?

[Lawrencelot]

So you killed TAX and Riceballtail? You didn't know your alignment when you did so, right? Not sure if I get it, but I don't think you're pulling a gambit or something. Can you give a reason for your kills?

[Lawrencelot]

Does that converting only work on players who don't know their own alignment or what? N14 and OP please elaborate, because I don't really understand everything you guys are saying ("pacman had him" for example).

[Lawrencelot]

I know Rekul's role. He's not the one we're looking for.

I forget whether we know Crywolf's role. If not, by process of elimination I'll

Vote: crywolf

[Lawrencelot]

EBWOP: just saw that crywolf is vanilla. Then we know everyone's role right? (except Rekul's role, but I know that one). And nobody is scum...

Unvote

for now

[Lawrencelot]

Rekul is a vig. He's not the mafia shooter though. OP, the one who gets the role of Mafia Shooter knows that the shooter is mafia right? In that case Rekul is town. But I don't understand why there was only 1 kill at night then. In fact, I don't understand this game at all. I need to hear OP's thoughts about my claim here first.

[Lawrencelot]

Yeah I got that error too, several times.

Yes I killed sirdanilot. I thought his role would be a threat to me whichever alignment I had.

[Lawrencelot]

So it seems there is no mafia kill anymore. Probably lynching is the only way people can die now, or there is some crazy doc/RB in the game which I doubt.

Who's information should I get now? I'm too lazy to search for the picture.

Mod

: I probably should receive someone's role info don't I?

[Lawrencelot]

Massclaim sounds good. I have no role info though.

[Lawrencelot]

Does everybody know his own role now?

[Lawrencelot]

Hello?

[Lawrencelot]

Because I can see his role with my own eyes, plus I have no idea where other people claimed your role and his.

Isn't there also someone who can see my role with his own eyes? Everybody please claim again, I forgot everything.

I currently have no role info.

[Lawrencelot]

Hm I'll just try to save my own skin and

Vote: KMD

. I hope there's anybody who has useful things to say.

Btw KMD why do you have a Dutch sig

[Lawrencelot]

I'm confused... what does that mean ^ ?

[Lawrencelot]

Ah yes. Thank you OP

[Lawrencelot]

Good game. Yes we knew we were scum since somewhere in Day 1.

some parts of it came together over time, such as the decision to inform scum of their roles.

Are you saying you decided to let the scum know they're scum when the game already started?

[Lawrencelot]

Hey Lawrence and Pacman mind if i out the QT?

Sure go ahead

[Lawrencelot]

I was acting scummier and scummier the whole game... not on purpose. I just suck at being scum lol, so our victory was surely not because of me.