I Know You Are But What Am I- Mini 723 (GAME OVER!!!!)

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First post!

Vote Crywolf

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Afat, I thought I was your joke vote. (Can't believe that game is still ongoing. Won't say more.)

As far as a massclaim, it would only hurt the scum. It's an easy town win. The thing is, we don't know if we are scum. By agreeing to a massclaim, the scum are unknowingly taking a loss.

But a scum PM usually tells who the partners are too. Shouldn't people have PMs that say X is scum with Y and Z partners? Honestly, I doubt it for this game, but that would be the normal scum PM. I can't see any harm in claiming scum for someone unless you are outing a partner, which you wouldn't know.

I think it depends on if it's random whose role we got, or if it was chosen. If it was chosen, I'd be willing to bet at least one scum got their partner's PM. I'd also be willing to bet a Godfather or Miller got a cop's PM and can investigate themself.

Now, what Sird said. Nothing scummy that anyone says actually means they are scum. The game will be won or lost on luck and night actions. A game like this should have a lot of power roles. Any lynch we make is a shot in the dark. I NEVER use that term on Day 1, but in this game....it's true....

A no lynch gives the scum a free kill. We might as well just lynch someone. Maybe a policy lynch. Someone with a record of being a lurker or anti-town player. I see a couple of names that could fit a possible policy lynch, but both players

do

make an honest attempt, so I don't know how I feel about lynching them over that. It's the only strategy I can really think of right now outside of massclaiming.

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Or even have someone call out a scum and lynch them.

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The only catch is that if you are scum who knows scum, you are outing a buddy. I don't see any way that the scum should win this game.

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Well if someone has a scum PM that states partners, and they are included, they will lie. Actually, that would make this game less town heavy if the scum knew they were scum.

For purposes of Lawrence's plan, "If I got a scum PM, it states only one scum."

If it has partners though, I'd think the scum got the PMs, and will say it only states one.

Afat, lynching a vanilla is only helpful if nobody is going to claim a scum PM, and the player is generally not a great player anyway. The best thing for the town would be for someone to claim a scum PM. If nobody is willing to do that, the next best thing is to take a guess. The only smart guess in my eyes is to lynch someone who maybe isn't the best player (no one take offense to that please) because everyone has an equal chance of being scum.

I'm going to

unvote

my joke vote because joke votes actually do nothing at all in this game just like scum hunting, WIFOM, pressuring people, and most anything else we can think of.

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And if the scum got PMs that list partners, I'd be willing to bet only scum got those PMs. They'll say they didn't get partners...

That might be why no one has scum claimed yet.

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Well I agree that we should play the role we were PM'd as if it were our own. It's scumhunting and lynching that I'm concerned about. The only fixes are claiming or taking a shot in the dark.

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Ok, here's my opinion:

Best thing for town= People with scum PMs claim for scum.
Why it's good= Easy win for town.
Why it's bad= You may be outing a scumpartner.
Likliness of doing this= Not very high. No one has done it yet, and I remember at least one person (Crywolf?) saying that they wouldn't want to do it if they had a scum PM.

Next best for town= Just lynch someone.
Why it's good= Gets us to night. Maybe we can pull something out of night actions.
Why it's bad= We can't actually scum hunt. The lynch would just be a shot in the dark. Best course of action for this is to lynch someone who we don't think will be helpful later.
Likliness of doing this= You tell me.

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afat, the Godfather could send it maybe?

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I don't see where this helps us, but I have Riceballtail's role.

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Afat, not sure I follow on why A would know C.

I'll say again, a policy lynch is all we can do as far as our lynch.

Another thing bugging me that I'm sure is bugging everyone else is curiosity about my own role. Nothing we can do about that though. If I'm scum, I don't want it revealed in thread. If I'm a power role, same thing.

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I usually don't like policy lynches either, but in this game, it's our best option.

We shouldn't lynch anyone until we finish what we started. We need Tax and Spambot.

When someone is about to be lynched, I agree that they should claim the role they had sent to them. We have no other way to get that info for sure once they are dead. But we still lose info from NKs.

As far as lynching Tax, I'd rather wait and get a feel for how he plays. I've never played with him before.

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Lawrence, no lynch is bad. Even in this game. If there is a cop, there is probably a miller and/or Godfather too. And giving the scum a free kill isn't good. And if whoever got a cop's role investigates themself, they can say town whether they are or not. And that outs the real cop (which might be ok considering scum probably don't know who they are. I say probably because of the possibility of partners named in PMs).

Actually, if scum don't know who they are, is outing the cop really that bad? And maybe the scum's NK can be controlled by the town in thread. We could treat it like a second lynch. If the scum don't cooperate with that, they know who they are.

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...they know who they are.

Uh, wut? Nobody knows what they are, the whole point of this game.

I had a theory earlier that the scum got each other's PMs and know who they are. I don't think this is the case now looking at who got who. I don't see any triangle of 3 people who got each other.

What I do see is Numberfourteen and Sird got each other's roles. Maybe we have 2 scum and a SK? I don't know. I was probably wrong on my theory.

Anyway, I think at the end of the day, we should decide on a scum NK, so we can control the lynch AND the NK.

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So if we No Lynch, and then tell whoever has scum PMs not to kill, we are basically at a D1 again tomorrow with info.

If the scum kill, they disobeyed. That would probably mean they know they are scum.

If the scum don't kill, I could agree with a no lynch.

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Actually, we could keep no lynching until an investigative role has 3 scum results.

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That would be awesome.

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Or if more people vote for it than for a player...

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Days one and two have one month deadlines. Further days have three week deadlines. If a deadline is reached and no player has the majority of votes on them, the player with the most votes on them will be lynched. In the case of a tie, the player who reached the most votes first will be lynched.

Mod, does "No Lynch" qualify as a player in the quoted rule?

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Sorry or the multipal post, I might be taken the rule to litteral but it said player.

You may be right. It's worth asking about.

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Ok, so we have to lynch someone. Might as well get some info out of it. NumberFourteen and SirD have each other's PMs. NumberFourteen has been pretty much lurking. Let's see what we can find out.

Vote NumberFourteen

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14 was lurking before the move. And we may be able to find out what his connection, if any, is to SirD.

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I could say for half of the players. It was only you, the orange guy, and myself talking for sometime. They came out for who has what player, then disapeared again...

Who would be a better lynch? And aren't you curious if there is a connection between 14 and SirD? Isn't it worth finding that info?

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I don't think #14 and sirdanilot are scummy for having eachother's roles.

There may be some kind of connection. We get information from one of them flipping. SirD is an active and intellegent player. I'd rather not lynch him. 14 is our best lynch.

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Why would you do that rekul.............

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No, don't even start calling me a policy lynch. I'm generally active in every game I play. I consider myself a pretty decent player. And I'm not being lynched on my own idea, especially when it doesn't apply to me. It applies to players who won't be helpful later on.

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1 The lynchee claims what role he knows.
2 The person that knows the lynchee claims the role of the lynchee.

Problems with 1: If the lynchee has scum, they should have claimed it already. If not, the player essentially becomes vanilla after the lynchee's death anyway. Basically, I have the role I was given and have to hope RBT stays alive in order to keep it. If it's vanilla, this doesn't matter and I'm playing a normal game as a vanilla townie, but can't scumhunt because the scum likely don't know who they are. If RBT is a power role, and dies, I become vanilla. If RBT is a power role, and I die, we lose that power role. Now if RBT is scum, that would be our lynch today. I'd have claimed it by now if RBT were scum, and I still think that anyone who has a scum PM should speak up.

Problems with 2: Well, if you lynch me, we already know my role thanks to rekul . If we were to lynch rekul, which I'd be fine with, what do we do once we get a claim from Spambot and rekul is town? Keep going? It's essentially a massclaim. That's why we have to either massclaim or policy lynch. That's why I was pissed when I saw my role being claimed in thread.

So I'm fine with lynching 14 to avoid the whole unintentional massclaim situation OR lynching rekul as a policy lynch because of the terrible time to claim for me.

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Remember, I have RBT's role in addition to my own. The only way I am essentially vanilla is if RBT is vanilla too.

Basically, rekul can only half-claim for me, which he did. I still have the other half of my information.

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Actually, SirD, that may have been the post that wins the game for us.

Rekul claimed that I am town.

I will say that RBT is town.

RBT, knowing you are town, is orangepenguin town?

If OP is scum, RBT will tell us because RBT is town and knows it. If OP is town, he can tell us if Pacman is town.

We keep doing this until we hit scum. If we hit scum, we lynch them and start somewhere else tomorrow. Eventually, we will find out if SirD and 14 are scum or not too.

So, I see no reason not to do this.

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[quote="crywolf20084]

Sird, our lynches are mostly going to be policy lynches beacuse we must lynch. Just because Rekul claimed the had a vanilla townie, does not mean he's not scum. I'm making an image that connects everyone with their roles so we can see in a much easier way who holds what information.[/quote]

I know I was the one to mention policy lynches, but scratch that idea. All we need is more RBT to tell us OP's alignment. Not role, just alignment. RBT is town, and has no reason to hide it if OP is scum now. If OP is town, he gets put into that same position. That's how the town will win this game. It's essentially massclaim, but only after you know you are town.

Also,

Unvote 14

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You've got to be kidding me.

It specifically says town...

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Ok, I get it.

So nobody claimed a scum PM because nobody has a scum PM. We are told roles without alignments. So it's a guessing game. That's awesome...

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Well it can't hurt to at least continue with what SirD and I have said and see if anyone claims scum PMs that way. If no one does, it's a guessing game again.

Might even have to go back to the policy lynch idea...

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Mod says power roles are confirmed town if they say so...

If town controls the scums kill, it's actually ok to out power roles. Should we just massclaim? All it will do is confirm town power roles. That leaves us a pool of vanillas and scum to guess between. At least it eliminates something, right?

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Are you all with me guys?

I'm not.

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So why don't we do my idea?

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I'd like to see what (Spambot?) claims for rekul. If it's vanilla, then sure, we can lynch rekul.

SirD, I'm playing as if I'm town. I don't want to be second guessing anything I do.

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Yeah, they probably should, but thanks for that Crywolf. It will be helpful I'm sure.

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If I'm scum, I don't expect to win.

I wanted a massclaim at first. Read my posts. I wanted massclaim first, policy lynch second.

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I was told by the Mod via PM that power roles ARE the alignment they say. The Mod said in thread that vanilla roles may or may not be.

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That's actually a very good question.

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SirD, I am playing to win. Odds are that I am town. If I am town, I play to help the town. If I am scum, I play to help the town and end up staying alive for it (hopefully). Either way, I am helping the town.

Asking the Mod something via PM regarding the scum's kill.

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Hmm... that's a good question... guess we'll have to wait and see...

I get answers like this when I PM the Mod. SirD, are you actually getting anything useful?

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Grrr...I'm about ready say quick lynch so we can have more info from what happens at night....

rekul?

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If you are scum you should attempt to be appearing to help out the town while not endangering yourself too much. You are not playing optimal. If you help the town now, and then somehow discover that you are scum, you have a disadvantage.

If I were to find out I am scum, I'd play the same way. If I stay alive as scum, I can't lose. The best way to stay alive is to help the town.

I posted all information I got. I also got that if you know a Town Powerrole, that the powerrole in question is certainly town.

Yep, I got this answer too, and posted it.

We can NOT quicklynch before the Spambot replacement claims.

Period. We will just have to wait for him, and until then we can chit chat and talk about useless game theory!

I agree we have to wait.

I'll start. If a player who has been in about 5 games (scum in at least 1) flips scum all out attacked 2 players, never mentioned 2 players, and called 2 players very town, who are the most likely partners based off of only this information?

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Ok, so why was Spambot modkilled? Inactivity?

Who chose Tax to be killed? Why?

Does anybody have any new information on who is scum?

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No, sadly. I figured I'd have more to go off of after the night...

On the bright side, i was right with my assumption of getting a new persons Role when the person you had died, instead of everyone turning vanilla. i now have Rekuls role...

Interesting. And good to know.

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Who has Crywolf's role now that TAX is dead?

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Wow, I thought that was Crywolf saying she had rekul. See what happens when I can't see avatars on this piece of crap computer?

Pacman has Crywolf now then.

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So what do you figure happens if either me or sirdan dies? Would we get our own role???

Good question.

Even Kmd does not know his own alignment if I'm correct.

I know that I am not a power role. That's all I know.

But if you must choose between these two, then I'd prefer to lynch numberfourteen above lynching me... I guess.

I don't think either of you is a good lynch right now. If we lynch 14, you get your own role. You may be town, or you may be scum. Either way, you will say you are town and it's up to us to figure it out just like a normal game. It helps you, but not the town. At least I don't think so.

We need Pacman to confirm that he has Crywolf's role.

And we should try to figure out how TAX was chosen to be killed.

And I want to bring up the discussion about a massclaim again. I'm sure there are a few people who can confirm some townies. Also, out power roles are confirmed. Power roles should give N1 results. The massclaim narrows our pool for a lynch. I see no problem with it right now.

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Afat, obviously.

SirD, actually odds are that you are town. In fact, there is a 70% chance right now that you are town assuming 3 scum out of 10 remaining players. But you don't want a massclaim I guess, so what do you suggest? Policy lynch? Should ANY information be claimed in your opinion?

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The has to be

some

information though. Should we claim what we have? For example, if a cop got a town result. Or if a watcher/tracker saw (or didn't see) who someone visited last night. Should things like that be claimed now? I personally see no harm in this. Of course, I'd support a massclaim too though: something most people disagree with me on.

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But do the scum actually make their own kills? That's what I'd like to know. That's why I asked if anyone knew how TAX was killed. If town or an unknown is controlling the kill, it shouldn't hurt to out power roles.

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What about only investigative roles claim, and we use that info to help build our data on who to lynch today?

Well, SirD, Lawrence, and Afat have given similar comments and I agree with this.

Here it goes. Numberfourteen is town.

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What about only investigative roles claim, and we use that info to help build our data on who to lynch today?

Well, SirD, Lawrence, and Afat have given similar comments and I agree with this.

Here it goes. Numberfourteen is town.

And so is RBT.

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KMD-- how do you know this??

I'm interested how 14 knows this.

But anyway, the Mod told me via PM that power roles ARE the alignment they say they are. RBT is town cop. I investigated 14 and got a town result.

I know what question is coming. "Why didn't you check yourself?"

The role PM specifically tells me that it's ok to check myself. (nothing quoted there. Haven't seen PM in weeks.) I expect that I am either a miller or Godfather because I have a cop PM that very specifically tells me I can check myself. Instead of dealing with the WIFOM, I decided to check 14 instead.

SirD, can you verify the information I have here based on 14's role PM?

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KMD-You think you are a godfather, with a vanilla townie role pm?

Vanilla can still be scum...

By Godfather, I mean the investigation-immune part. Maybe not the all out make the NK choice and everything. I know 100% sure that I didn't make the choice for TAX to be killed.

You're right though. Miller is probably more likely.

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RBT, remember that vanilla may or may not actually mean town.

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IMO KMD should investigate himself tonight. ynm

If I do this, can we trust what comes back in your opinion?

I'm going to ask the Mod something.

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I was told there wasn't planning put into roles. I no longer believe my miller theory.

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RBT, remember that vanilla may or may not actually mean town.

But I'm a cop, I would know if he was town or not.

I control your action. You investigated 14. You know 14 is town. You don't know OP is town. You know OP is not a power role.

Vote rekul

If I'm NK'd by some chance, I'd rather afat have RBT's role instead of rekul.

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Might as well assuming we have no leads. Unless afat tells us that rekul is a power role. I assume this isn't the case though:

The has to be

some

information though. Should we claim what we have? For example, if a cop got a town result. Or if a watcher/tracker saw (or didn't see) who someone visited last night. Should things like that be claimed now? I personally see no harm in this. Of course, I'd support a massclaim too though: something most people disagree with me on.

I don't see a problem with that, however it does give the scum targets at night.

Yes

any role that has information should claim

with it, otherwise we are just giving the scum a win because we are all afraid we are scum ourselves, when their is a much higher chance we are town.

Seems like he'd have claimed it by now if rekul were a power role.

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So... RBT is town. OP is town. I guess rekul is town.

Unvote

Vote Pacman

unless OP has a reason why we shouldn't lynch Pacman.

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From Afat's posts.

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OP, all that means is Pacman knew TAX was vanilla. It proves nothing at all. Well, I guess you could say Pacman likely didn't submit the kill because scum want power roles dead, but that doesn't make him town either.

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OP, that's why I'm wondering if the scum control their kill or not. TAX did attempt to help briefly though. So I still don't know if the scum are controlling their kills or not.

Still not seeing any reason not to lynch Pacman. OP is the only one who can convince me otherwise.

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There is plenty of strategy. Like what I'm doing. Confirm townies and lynch scum by process of elimination. For example, you and RBT are town.

And I volunteer Pacman.

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Unvote, Vote Lawrencelot

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Unvote, Vote Crywolf

Crywolf, your softclaim for Lawrence is enough that I won't push his lynch.

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kmd, your "jumpiness" is annoying... 3 votes in two days...

mmm...

Would you be ok with a Crywolf lynch?

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Lawrence, yes I'd like a vanilla lynch. Power roles are confirmed.

RBT, I don't think vanillas can be confirmed.

Waiting for Pacman still.

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Sorry for not having posted in a while.

It's not just you. 24 hours and nobody posted. Notably Pacman...

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can someone who knows, and isn;t just confused, post a list of all the cleared and uncleared.

I thought I knew it an then realized something...

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I thought I knew it an then realized something...

What did you realize?[/quote]

That because we are on Day 2, none of these claims are guaranteed to be truthful. If someone found out their own alignment, they could be fakeclaiming. For example, if I found out I was scum last night, I wouldn't have confirmed RBT/14 as town. I'd probably go against a massclaim and try to push a random/policy lynch. Scum won't want to confirm townies. But at the same time, they want the person whose role they have to stay alive. So they won't say vanilla. Not that I want to test this by lynching the beloved princess claim or anything, but we shouldn't be so quick to confirm considering this is Day 2.

Also, no point hiding my intentions with the vote hopping now. Nobody agreed to a massclaim, so I tried to force one. It was working pretty well too.

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Well, it IS super bowl sunday. But it is over now... people are likely hungover from parties.

Dunno what this really means, but whatever.

Yeah, that was a great game. I wanted Arizona to win, but still. One of the best Super Bowls I have ever seen.

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Well, it IS super bowl sunday. But it is over now... people are likely hungover from parties.

Dunno what this really means, but whatever.

Yeah, that was a great game. I wanted Arizona to win, but still. One of the best Super Bowls I have ever seen.

Also, I apologize for the off topicness.

Now back to the game.

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so... who are we lynching? Any candidates? Anyone have a good reason for lynching one person over another?

Right now all I know is I'm against lynching you or RBT. Other than that, I'm lost.

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Well, pacman is a beloved princess. Like I said, he has no night powers, which is why it would be bad to lynch him, because he isn't a vanilla, but is just a normal town, and if we lynch him = an extra night for scum.

OP, what made you think this claim was ok to make? If the scum control their own kill, Pacman is dead tonight and the scum get a double kill. Beloved Princess is one of the few town roles that it is ok to fakeclaim something else.

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Oh! I wish I had known that.

I'll note that for future reference, though.

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Sidenote: the reason I'm trying to say that OP is confirmed town is because I am a cop, and I can tell that alignment. I'm just not sure I quite know that particular idea would work for certain.

Your results go to me, not you. Your investigation last night was on 14 which was my decision. Your town result is on 14, not OP.

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KMD i refuse to read this fucking game and post until your avatar is changed, Kthnx.

It was removed by Mith. I lost a bet and honored it. I apologize for this.

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I'm here.

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Just an idea, but Rekul may be a good lynch. i don't see his Power being used this game, and if it is, it won't be done in a pro-town way. ive been debating and cant decide whether to come out with it and debate among everyone or just take the lynch... thoughts anyone?

Could his role hurt the town?

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How do we even know if afatchic isn't scum? He has a role he would hate scum to get. What if they already have it?

If he is scum, he doesn't know it or he wouldn't have admitted to controlling a role that would be bad in the hands of scum.

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How do we even know if afatchic isn't scum? He has a role he would hate scum to get. What if they already have it?

If he is scum, he doesn't know it or he wouldn't have admitted to controlling a role that would be bad in the hands of scum.

I highly doubt scum know if they were scum...other wise it would be easy for them to win.. =/ Or at least that's what I think.

We've had a night. There are ways they could have figured it out. For example, controlling a watcher or tracker and seeing themselves target TAX. Or if there is a second cop (unlikely, I admit), maybe they have a guilty on themeselves. There are ways they could know.

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Didn't get investigation results. Got OP's role PM though.

Anyone have new info for us?

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vote: pacman

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Well, pacman is a beloved princess.

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mod: please replace rekul

It seems that role-knowledge-replacement (RKR) does not occur over two dead people, meaning either nobody will know Rekul's role, or he will know his own role. We need him to be replaced to confirm this.

What?

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Mod PM changes things.

Thinking OP may have done something a little similar to what RBT did. Considering it's LYLO, I can give details on what RBT did.

RBT implied that OP was vanilla without actually claiming it. Possibly to protect a powerful role from the NK. OP is a watcher. I just got results. RBT was visited by Pacman.

RBT made a good move IMO. Being a cop, claimed by me, RBT was the most likely NK. So RBT had OP watch (her?), knowing that if (she?) was NK'd, whoever got OP's role would know who performed the kill.

Vote Pacman

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Very well.

I'll hammer in a while if nobody objects.

2 votes is still L-3. 8 alive, 5 to lynch.

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So OP, you killed as if you were scum, not knowing your alignment, and kept Pacman alive knowing he was scum, found out you were town, and got Pacman lynched? I guess you confirmed yourself to everyone else as watcher though...

I'm a little confused on the whole converting thing though.

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OP is town, I converted him. Sirdan was head mason. I was able to convert people to masons at night. Night 1 I converted me, Night 2 I converted OP.

Does conversion have the ability to change alignment if you convert scum?

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Well, I am now confirmed town, according to the PM. Sirdan and Numberfourteen were too. Sirdan is dead now, but 14 converted me. I was going to kill KMD, because he was in control of the doc, but I decided on RBT instead. Tax was random. I felt stupid the next day, because pacman had him. I didn't even realize that. I was going to kill crywolf day one.

I know crywolf's alignment now that pacman is dead though.

The doc? I was in control of RBT, the cop who you killed.

What is Crywolf's alignment?

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That's why I killed RBT, because he was the cop, but you had the results.

He is a vanilla.

But now there is no cop at all....

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Sorry... the head mason was able to convert people to be masons also. If I targeted a town player, they were converted. If I targeted mafia, Sirdan dies. I don't know the reason sirdan died last night, because if the reason was my choice, you would think that two people would have died last night.

SirD must have been targetted by scum. OP is town.

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The Mafia shooter is dead though

Unvote

So no more NK's??

Maybe there is a new shooter?

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In the dark? You're town. I know this.

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Vote Rekul

I think Lawrence has the shooter and is keeping it from us.

[Kmd4390]

Rekul is a vig. He's not the mafia shooter though. OP, the one who gets the role of Mafia Shooter knows that the shooter is mafia right? In that case Rekul is town. But I don't understand why there was

only 1 kill at night

then. In fact, I don't understand this game at all. I need to hear OP's thoughts about my claim here first.

The bolded is what has me worried.

[Kmd4390]

Is anyone else getting this?

No posts exist for this topic

[Kmd4390]

So it seems there is no mafia kill anymore. Probably lynching is the only way people can die now, or there is some crazy doc/RB in the game which I doubt.

Who's information should I get now? I'm too lazy to search for the picture.

Mod

: I probably should receive someone's role info don't I?

This seems right. Can massclaim hurt anything now?

[Kmd4390]

Well I've already claimed for OP and caught scum performing a kill. He's a watcher.

[Kmd4390]

You are. Remember?

RBT implied that OP was vanilla without actually claiming it. Possibly to protect a powerful role from the NK. OP is a watcher. I just got results. RBT was visited by Pacman.

RBT made a good move IMO. Being a cop, claimed by me, RBT was the most likely NK. So RBT had OP watch (her?), knowing that if (she?) was NK'd, whoever got OP's role would know who performed the kill.

Vote Pacman

[Kmd4390]

Cayke, you seem to have the most info. Who do you think we should lynch, and why?

[Kmd4390]

KMD & Lawrence scum team. Good job on pretending to be pro-town, guys! Unless, whoever has Lawrence or KMD can confirm they are VANILLAs.

Rekul already claimed I was vanilla Day 1. But why is Cayke any more likely to be town than Lawrence and myself?

[Kmd4390]

Because I can see his role with my own eyes

Vote Lawrence

Works for me.

[Kmd4390]

Bah! Go scum.

Btw KMD why do you have a Dutch sig

From talking to ZazieR.

[Kmd4390]

I'm confused... what does that mean ^ ?

We won Lawrence >_>

Actually, one more scum is still alive.

[Kmd4390]

LOL. No you didn't.

I am a SK. I can kill one of you, while you kill me. It's a draw scenario.

Actually, you are town.

[Kmd4390]

I honestly thought I was scum.

That was why I fakeclaimed for OP. Thought we were in LYLO and could mislynch Pacman (who flipped scum). When OP posted the smiley after Pacman's lynch, I thought he knew he was scum too. I thought the scum team was me/OP/afat when I basically forced a massclaim by voting pretty much all the unclaimed on Day (was it 2?).

Oh well. Good game scum.

[Kmd4390]

Don't worry KMD. We won at...heart ? I think?

Wanna say we were the scumteam?

I had a great fakeclaim for you and ended up actually catching scum with it.