Mini 694 - Office Supplies Mafia [Game Over]

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vote: Porkens

That's just a scummy sounding name.

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FOS: salempc

for pointing out lurker fest instead of contributing.

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As I think some people have already realized, it looks scummy to complain about a lack of content and then fail to add anything to the discussion. To fail to do anything when called out for it is even scummier (See above post) .

so,

unvote, vote salempc

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Wow, stef's randomness really derailed the thread.

FOS: Stef

I find salempc's return to content-less comments after making 1 useful one when challenged, suspicious. Obviously we don't need to push for a lynch anytime soon, but I find him a solid first target for pressure.

GC - you've provided good content, but don't appear to be making any arguments towards one action or another. That's fine right now, but raider was correct to note that you appeared to be commenting without any specific aim in mind.

charter - why is greencrayon such an obvious vote?

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I was referring to posts 75 and 78, neither of which were useful posts. As for why I am forcing suspicion on a 'poor basis', that is how you start scum hunting. You put pressure on people and see how they respond. You responded with a mild OMGUS, a fairly null tell.

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Stef, you've stopped the random posts and I've stopped attacking you for posting randomly. What's left to talk about?

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chainsaw defense?

Carter needs to keep talking. He's made a ridiculously strong claim.

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Green crayons is definitely getting the better of the argument. I have a tough time, however, believing that scum would be as adamant as charter is being on day 1. Being that active and antagonistic is going to put you under scrutiny - scrutiny that it is possible to avoid. That said, that may be exactly what the scum want me to think. So, it's WIFOM

It's possible that this fight is an act between two scum designed to put one of them beyond reproach. I just want to point out the obvious fact that one being scum wouldn't clear the other one.

Because I think charter's moves have been anti-town, I am going to

vote: charter

. Charter, why aren't you a liar?

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I think it's pretty clear that I brought up my only reservation about voting for charter, but dismissed it as WIFOM. I also asked Charter to explain GC's charge that he was misrepresenting.

Charter, I'm not buying your case on GC. You just seem way too sure of your vote.

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Wow, that may be the most effective defense I have ever written

Stef, I really don't like the fact that you made a bunch of short, random posts and are now leaving. Obviously real life outweighs forum mafia, but it seems like a cheap trick to artificially boost your post count without producing any content and then not get blamed for lurking. I'll withhold my judgment til your Sunday posts.

salempc, I'd like to hear your analysis of the GC- charter debate. The correct move after being voted for contentless posts is more content, not less posts.

charter, I don't agree that GC was twisting your words. He was certainly using them against you, but the inconsistencies he pointed out were present in your original posts.

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Fos: stef

You're remarkably defensive for just a little pressure. And you continue to post without adding to the game.

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unfos: stef

Thank you for your contribution.

I'm feeling better and better about a charter lynch. He should be lynched just for advocating lying. It's certainly unusual for scum to push as hard as he did as early as he did, but the rest of his play outweighs this point.

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So charter, are you admitting to having lied?

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Sudo_Nym's only real vote yesterday was against salem_pc. So, continued

FOS: salem_pc

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salempc, is it just omgus or do you have a specific reason?

You've made exactly one post with a very small amount of analysis despite being pressed on the issue. Sudo-Nym's vote certainly isn't sufficient to start a bandwagon, but it is interesting when combined with your scummy behavior.

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raider, he didn't vote me.

He just FOS'd

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For the record, Sudo's vote wasn't the only reason I suspected salempc. As I pointed out on Day 1, I found the fact that he complained about a lack of activity without adding a contribution of his own to be scummy. After one mildly helpful post, he went back to relatively contentless posts.

Hence the fact that I "continued" my fos.

Stef, why does your gut tell you to vote for me?

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Nice reply salem.

The issue has been explained "some pages ago", with no reference to what the explanation was, who made it or pointing to the posts.

Saying that gut reasoning is unconscious reasoning.

Yet again, we have you making completely unhelpful comments.

vote: salempc

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Nice reply salem.

The issue has been explained "some pages ago", with no reference to what the explanation was, who made it or pointing to the posts.

Saying that gut reasoning is unconscious reasoning.

Yet again, we have you making completely unhelpful comments.

vote: salempc

uh. Ok

Excuse me for not referring to the exact post numbers.

And that makes me mafia, together with the me always doing completely unhelpful comments, which of course is not quoting any, say "no reference" please?

I've been busy lately, so I'll begin to read what I missed until now.

Defensive, making excuses and not-responsive. It's hard to see how this post could get more scummy.

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Stef - I think that there is now enough evidence to lynch salempc. His last post was extremely scummy. To sum up the case:

1) Complained about lack of content instead of producing it
2) Only makes long posts after constant prodding
3) Most of his posts lack content
4) Extremely defensive post after I pressed him.

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Stef, the game slowed way down because of two of the most active players died on day 1. Luckily they were town. A modkill on page 7 followed by a 5 day night is going to do a lot to slow a game down.

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Whoops. Meant to say scum.

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My posting if going to be pretty light the next couple weeks.

Right now, I stand by my case against salem_pc, which he has yet to respond to. On the other hand, I am not entirely comfortable with Porker's praise. Spend more time on scum hunting and less on looking for townies.

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I strongly disagree with the the claim that my case against salem is OMGUS.

I've been suspicious of salem all game due to reasons I've already given. Other players have seen salem's lack of content and attacked him for it. I don't think any fair reading of the game says that the bandwagon is OMGUS.

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Stef, we're fast approaching Thanksgiving so don't be surprised if the inactivity gets worse instead of better.

As for my lack of posting, I honestly don't know what I'm supposed to react to. Stef you've bitched about a lack of content for a week without producing anything new. Admittedly there hasn't been a ton to react to, but posting just to complain doesn't really add anything. I'm also really confused by your prod list stef.

I've posted a solid case against salem and I don't particularly see anything to react to. I answered stef's question for me from 193 by summing up my case.

Porkens seems to thing I misunderstood Moratorium's criticism, so hopefully Moratorium will clarify if I've made any mistakes.

Last, did we ever get that vote count?

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This is getting pretty bad. Sensfan posted 10 times today (counting after midnight) without dealing with old requests in at least 2 games he's modding. Remind me not to join a game he's modding again.

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Stef - I think that there is now enough evidence to lynch salempc. His last post was extremely scummy. To sum up the case:

1) Complained about lack of content instead of producing it
2) Only makes long posts after constant prodding
3) Most of his posts lack content
4) Extremely defensive post after I pressed him.

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Nice reply salem.

The issue has been explained "some pages ago", with no reference to what the explanation was, who made it or pointing to the posts.

Saying that gut reasoning is unconscious reasoning.

Yet again, we have you making completely unhelpful comments.

vote: salempc

uh. Ok

Excuse me for not referring to the exact post numbers.

And that makes me mafia, together with the me always doing completely unhelpful comments, which of course is not quoting any, say "no reference" please?

I've been busy lately, so I'll begin to read what I missed until now.

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Sensfan, I apologize if I caused offense. I know real life trumps mafia and I've got no problem with that. I didn't notice your signature when I posted my comment and I apologize for not realizing what was happening. I was angry because I saw you participating in other threads and not the two games I was in that you were modding. I greatly enjoyed the first game I played on mafiascum with you and hope the real life issue were nothing serious.
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With that out of the way, let's focus on the game. I had read salem_pc's silence as scum sensing they were caught and trying to get out of the spotlight, but the failure to pick up the prod may point to a different cause. The fact that he only recently joined the site makes simple flaking an obvious possibility. Even if he truly has left the site, I see his actions thus far as scummy with the chief evidence being his responses to my attacks (see my last post).

Mod, what are the rules on replacements?

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Gurgi, nice try at digging yourself out of the whole salem dug for himself. You start out with a strike against you in my book.

If Porkens and I are a scum pair, we're the least subtle pairing in history. (I suppose this is a bit of WIFOM).

Thanks for replacing.

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All I know is that Porkens copied me for reasons I don't know.

I'll deal with the rest of the new content tomorrow.

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Gurgi, I think you've produced a misleading list of actions hidden by poor formatting. Here's the worst offenders:
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in 109, qwints says charter needs to "keep on talking", that's wasted space and scummy

I was asking for more on a specific topic - his "case" against GC. Asking for an explanation is not scummy as long as it's not the only thing you do during the game.
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184, qwints votes salem because he made "unhelpful comments" this actually means that he voted him for telling him what gut is, and telling him he's already answered the accusations. This is quite clearly stupid.

This was in response to this post:

For the record, Sudo's vote wasn't the only reason I suspected salempc. As I pointed out on Day 1, I found the fact that he complained about a lack of activity without adding a contribution of his own to be scummy. After one mildly helpful post, he went back to relatively contentless posts.

Hence the fact that I "continued" my fos.

Stef, why does your gut tell you to vote for me?

I'm pretty sure that issue has been explained some pages ago.

Why does Stefs' gut tell him to vote? Not even he knows. Gut is unconscious. Gut is just a feeling. It doesn't really take consideration in the conscious level, BUT it does in the unconscious.

Asking for an explanation of a gut feeling is a legitimate point. Salem_pc attempted to innoculate Stef from the question. If you're going to claim an issue was already covered, you should at least point to who answered it.
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200, qwints outlines his case against salem being that he is non responsive. That is not necessarily scum behaviour. It is non-responsive behaviour. If you want to lynch for that, do, but don't pretend that it's a scumtell.
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Persistent non-responsiveness and failure to produce any alterenative content is scummy.

Gurgi, learn to format. Saying that you'll "keep track of" people who don't read dense, poorly-formatted posts is a joke. Combined with the earlier behavior of salem_pc, I see your text dump of poor analysis + sarcasm to be scummy.

So

unvote,vote Lord Gurgi

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Just because I didn't vote first doesn't change the fact that I've thought salem_pc was scum from day 1. Accusing me of bandwagoning just doesn't hold water.

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In the interest of insuring a lynch and due to Porken's recent obliviousness...

unvote, vote Porkens

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Porkens, claim now. You've got four votes on you and will be lynched unless something drastic happened.

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crywolf, are you trying to say you didn't know you were hammering?

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Mod, is the day not over for some reason?

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I am very confused by Porken's post-hammer claim, but I don't think it's going to tell us anything useful. I'm assuming we're down to one scum at this point. Anybody want to claim a guilty on somebody?

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There is one thing I want to know about the set up: Would the mafia's kill stop the sk's kill from going through? I had assumed not.

Moratorium, I don't know what more I can say about my "opportunism" yesterday. I

started

the pressure on salem. Raider voted after I fos'd salem. I voted after a specific post that showed a continued pattern of non-responsiveness. I didn't "take advantage of [raider's] proposition."
That also reminds me of Pacman's oblivious response to my defence.That was strange...

Gurgi, you seem to be convinced that Porkens and I were a scum pair. All I can say is that Porkens was copying me. He may have been trying to implicate me. I still think your scum based on salem's actions and your response to my accusations. I didn't accuse salem of simple lurking, but of consistently posting without content.

Due to the length of the night, could we have a mass prod for those who haven't posted today?

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Due to the length of the night

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Congrats raider!

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vote: Lord Gurgi

That's L-1. Nobody hammer until we've had a claim.

On the believable alternate claim, my guess is the Mod gave the scum safe claims.

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That's a pretty damn perfect game for town.