Apples suck.
Oranges are where it's at.
My vote didn't have much reasoning because it's a d1 random vote.Atlas wrote:Quick-lynches are possible and they have happened, so I would have felt very much "in danger" if I came back around Gamma's vote. You didn't really respond to my accusation other than "my vote didn't have much reasoning",
I think it's pretty cool how i was drunk as hell and i still had the balls to post my role.Nekka-Lucifer wrote:That said, I would like to challenge his claim. Challenge VIG Claim: Gamma What does you PM say about your role in the band. Is there a specific instrument? What kind of 'orchestrial related' powers do you have? I await your response.
State them. I know what I said.My Milked Eek wrote:Gamma : Are those your actual role specifications? Relook please, I have my doubts about some part(s).
Well, it hasn't been that good of a case to get me lynched yet. Try harder.Tolmides wrote:You claiming to be the vig on D1 when you had no need to reveal that piece of info reeks of scumminess. It isn't a tiny case.
Atlas wrote:There is a difference between being anti-town as a villager and being anti-town as a vigilante. Unless Gamma is actually going to try to off townies because he doesn't like them (even though this is very possible, given his last few over-defensive/emotional/spontaneous posts) he shouldn't be lynched today.
You can go right ahead.zachattack wrote:I'm almost considering changing my vote, and the reason I haven't is because I feel Gamma's a danger to the town even if he's honest and is the vig.
Would you rather have 7 or 8 townies and no power role or 7 or 8 townies and a vig?My Milked Eek wrote:- The most recent post and vote for me are very empty. Especially combined with your previous vote for Nekka. Who is, note this down, another person who doesn't believe your claim. Yes, I'm saying you are voting for people who don't believe your claim instead of people who you think are scum. Even if you are a vig, that's not a very pro-town play and makes you a reckless vig. Which is something we don't need.
Those variables are a risk i had to consider when i spit out my role.My Milked Eek wrote:Where's the involvement of other power roles? Doctors? Roleblockers? The possibility of the victims of the vig and the scum being the same? The scum not sending in a kill? Why is he still alive on D2? Why wasn't he roleblocked? Etc... Etc... (all hypothetical)
And so do I.MME wrote:
Prove to me he's not an sk. Or a mafia. All you did prove was that he can kill during the night. I don't want scum obeying us, I want scum to die.
i don't like following the town around like a little dog.Tolmides wrote:Well zach, I'm focusing on the ones who are voting for Gamma for now, and you three are the ones who've voted for him. I've already voiced my suspicions of Nekka in previous posts, so don't think I'm letting him off scot free.
Okay then, let's test this number 2 theory:
Gamma: Will you or will you not kill the town's number two target every night? If you won't, then I will support your lynching.
While we're at it, here's a open challenge to the denizens of Musical Mafia: find as many setups as you can that feature:My Milked Eek wrote:I'd still like to hear a real explanation from Wall-E of why thinking an sk is in this game sucks.
Setup conjecture? Really, is that your only refute?
Please answer to all the points in the sk probability case. You not wanting, and plain out refusing, to answer to the case in its details, makes you very suspicious.
How so? I'm interested in MME's probabilities.JordanA24 wrote:This just screams of pointless and "lets distract the town away from the current subject".Gamma wrote:While we're at it, here's a open challenge to the denizens of Musical Mafia: find as many setups as you can that feature:My Milked Eek wrote:I'd still like to hear a real explanation from Wall-E of why thinking an sk is in this game sucks.
Setup conjecture? Really, is that your only refute?
Please answer to all the points in the sk probability case. You not wanting, and plain out refusing, to answer to the case in its details, makes you very suspicious.
-Vig
-Vig and roleblocker
-SK
-SK and roleblocker
He means the next day, I say who i nightkilled the previous night.WhereIsTony wrote:we will know by the time night is over?Wall-E wrote:I think, in light of things that have been brought to my attention by people, Gamma should claim his kill after night is over. What say anyone?
do you mean after the day is over?
won't the thread be locked.
I don't think he should announce it but if he does he should do it when someone is L-1
I think I smell some terror because you're getting considered for my NK tonight.jerseygoomba wrote:Guys, do you SERIOUSLY think you have any "control" over Gamma? Especially when there is no concrete ways of validating who killed who? We don't even know if Gamma's claim is true. I think we are deluding ourselves if we think we can point Gamma like a gun and "shoot" people. That being said, I'm not convinced Gamma is scum, which is why I unvoted him.
As for my vote on Wall-E, I have thought he was scum for awhile, and he put out the challenge in post 130. I wanted to see if he would actually claim like he said in his post and I found it interesting that he didn't. (Not suspicious, just interesting).
Jordan and Tolmides, I'm not sure what I have done to earn your NK votes, so please come up with some logical rationale.
Tolmides wrote:Oh? Care to elaborate?
Most of Tolmides' posts wrote:
THIS IS WHAT I THINK OF THIS POST RIGHT HERE YET I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING ELSE BUT BEING COMMENTATOR ON A CERTAIN ISSUE SUCH AS HERE, WHERE I AM COMMENTING ON SOMETHING BUT NOT ACTUALLY TAKING MUCH OF AN INITIATIVE.
I see this as very much grasping at straws.JordanA24 wrote:Trying to guess people's roles on Day 1 is a big no-no. If he wants to claim, then he can, but by guessing what role he is, if Wall-E is scum, you're giving him ideas what to claim (which looks scummy on your part, makes you too look like scumbuddies). And if Wall-E isn't scum, it gives the real scum ideas at what Wall-E might be.
FOS: Tolmides
Surely it's not wifom if I pull some popular names out of the hat to disguise the fact I'm talking about a player who is allegedly trying to allegedly guess another player's alleged role by saying "I think he's too erratic to be scum".JordanA24 wrote:How is it grasping at straws, it was a fair point if you ask me. And if I was going to try grasping at straws, why would I bother risking going after someone who hasn't got much attention from the rest of the town? Surely it'd have been more logical to go after someone like Nekka, corporate or Wall-E with crap reasoning, less chance of it being called out that way.
jerseygoomba wrote:@Wall-E - To answer your question about where you made your claim, here is your post #130. I will bold your challenge.
Wall-E wrote:It's funny how it took the town majority this long to get to the same place I've been pointing at since page 2.
So, we are not killing Gamma. Everyone get your votes onto ANYONE else. Yes, even me. Unlike Gamma I won't claim until L-1, so be fearless and attack!
Gamma, if you step out of line in my esteem I will drive for your lynch SO FAST your HEAD will FALL OFF and spontaneously IGNITE.
That's all settled, I'd like to call something to the town's attention. I am voting for corporate. If you check my previous post you can see why. I'd like to hear more opinions on corporate. Vote him or tell me why I'm being dumb, please!
No. Far from it. In fact, could you "HRM, IS DEFENDING A PLAYER WHO HAS PREVIOUSLY DEFENDED YOU AS SCUM A INDICATOR OF SOME HIDDEN AGENDA HERE" any harder?My Milked Eek wrote:Gamma wrote:o lawd.
tbh, I don't think Wall-e's scum as much as shit-town.
I would not NK him tonight because if he is town, we're down 1 player in the long run. I would not lynch him because it's retarded and there are better candidates for lynching today.
Whoever hammers this jerk is a faggot.
Everyone, change your diapers, quit baaawwing about how much Wall-e annoys you, because there are bigger fishes to fry in the sea.MME wrote:Why do you feel the need to protect Wall-E?
Is it a continuation of your "everyone against me is a scum" élan? But then the inverse of it? "Everyone with me is town"?Fixed the quote.
I don't need reasons. I'm not arguing, I'm just stating my opinion.Budja wrote:Gamma, it is not good to argue without providing reasons/logical explanations.
And if you won't NK him, then Wall-E is the best choice for a lynch.
jerseygoomba- scumplayerJordanA24 wrote:Gamma, this is a direct question to you. Who do you think is the best 2 players to lynch/NK. I want your top suspects and reasoning behind it too. And it cannot be just because you disagree with their opinions or they have voted for you.
Thanks for being a prick that is so compelled to comment on everything.My Milked Eek wrote:Thanks for nullifying the exact reason why we are suggesting a pool of nightkillvictims.Gamma wrote:I'd NK NL/RF, but for now RestFermata.
It's in the theme section, so I dunno.Tolmides wrote:Now this is the first mini I've played on mafiascum, but is a jester a possibility? Has anyone actually played in a game before with Wall-E who can vouch that he is usually this abrasive?zachattack wrote: Barring someone saying hey guess what I am scum (which I wouldn't put past Wall-E considering he's practically trying to get lynched), it will be one of corporate, jersey and budja.
I'm keeping this paragraph here special for if I get roleblocked and you go GAMMA IS SK HURR DURRBudja wrote:
3. About the "Gamma lynch" I became involved in, I strongly believe Gamma to be an SK and I thought it would be best to remove him. In the end Tolmides and others convinced me that Gamma could be used.
We agreed that Gamma must be tightly controlled and must kill the town choice/s.
I said that I won with the woodwinds before you said you were woodwind also.My Milked Eek wrote:Gamma, I think you misquoted, lemme fix real quick.
See?My Milked Eek wrote:Vigs don't claim on L-3.Wall-E wrote:SKS DON'T CLAIM VIG D1 BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST THE LAWS OF WHAT I SAY SO
What? Lying? In what way?Gamma wrote:I think MME could be lying about instruments, but I think that woodwinds=town, et all.
Is it not possible for an orchestra to have two of the same instrument? And in this case, two of a common role?
And I don't know what classification of instrument the town is (doesn't mention it). I just know we need to remove the brass players to win. Which is not the same. And this nuance is acknowledged by some other players as well and was mainly the grounds of early NL/RF suspicion.
I got "you win with the woodwinds". So, are you telling me that the woodwinds are possibly not town? More than one town? Or am I some kind of bastard-role mafia-aligned serial-killer?My Milked Eek wrote:Yeah, I don't like talking about them too much either (could lead to people being modkilled (don't want that)), but to say one more thing about this:
The mod's opening flavour doesn't mention "windwoods" at all. Or any instrument classification for that matter. Nor do our role PM's (at least a few of us).
The thing is, my dear Gamma, I indirectly said I am a windwood by claiming clarinet. No denying that. A clarinet is a windwood. However, I also said, way back, that the classification of the town (if any (other than orchestra minus the brass players)) is not shared with me. As backed up by several players. It only mentions the need to remove brass players in order to win. Nowhere does it say the need to remove the threats to the windwoods or something along that line. And it nowhere says the town is the windwood section.Gamma wrote:I said that I won with the woodwinds before you said you were woodwind also.
Shit would be so cash, but unfortunately, no.Wall-E wrote:I DON'T KNOW ARE YOU?!Gamma wrote:I got "you win with the woodwinds". So, are you telling me that the woodwinds are possibly not town? More than one town? Or am I some kind of bastard-role mafia-aligned serial-killer?My Milked Eek wrote:Yeah, I don't like talking about them too much either (could lead to people being modkilled (don't want that)), but to say one more thing about this:
The mod's opening flavour doesn't mention "windwoods" at all. Or any instrument classification for that matter. Nor do our role PM's (at least a few of us).
The thing is, my dear Gamma, I indirectly said I am a windwood by claiming clarinet. No denying that. A clarinet is a windwood. However, I also said, way back, that the classification of the town (if any (other than orchestra minus the brass players)) is not shared with me. As backed up by several players. It only mentions the need to remove brass players in order to win. Nowhere does it say the need to remove the threats to the windwoods or something along that line. And it nowhere says the town is the windwood section.Gamma wrote:I said that I won with the woodwinds before you said you were woodwind also.
getting tired of this ^Wall-E wrote:I AM SUPERIOR ROAR THEREFORE I WILL REFUSE TO BOW DOWN TO SUCH MORTAL INQUIRIES ROAR ONLY A SUPERIOR CASE MADE AGAINST ME WITH A PRO SUPERIOR CASE WITH QUALITIES OF SUPERIORITY (SUCH AS MYSELF) AND NOW I WILL GO AND SIMPLY REFUSE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS DESPITE BEING AT L-1 ROAR
My Milked Eek wrote:From;To;Gamma wrote:If we lynch wall-e today, and he turns up town, I can only say "I told you so."
And then I will promptly rail against the bandwagon- I'm pretty sure at least one of the Wall-E lynching party is just really oppotunistic scum.In less than 24 hours.Gamma wrote:getting tired of this ^Wall-E wrote:I AM SUPERIOR ROAR THEREFORE I WILL REFUSE TO BOW DOWN TO SUCH MORTAL INQUIRIES ROAR ONLY A SUPERIOR CASE MADE AGAINST ME WITH A PRO SUPERIOR CASE WITH QUALITIES OF SUPERIORITY (SUCH AS MYSELF) AND NOW I WILL GO AND SIMPLY REFUSE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS DESPITE BEING AT L-1 ROAR
WALL-E YOUR EVASION TO EVEN ANSWER QUESTION MAKES ME WANT TO LYNCH YOU OUT OF PURE SPITE, TOWN OR NOT
only bold text can express my opinion of this rationale
unvote jerseygoomba, ragewatch Wall-E
Any particular reason, Mr. Gamma?
Can I say something?My Milked Eek wrote:I did it before != great stuffWall-E wrote:An unprovoked vig claim seems like something I might do as a vig. In fact, it's something I've done before as a vig. In fact, I've done it over half the times I've been a vig. Something about being a thread bully, using the added weight of a nightkill threat when scumhunting, it's a positive thing to add stress to the other players as a vig.
You don't see the problem which is pointed out several times with him declaring his victim?zachattack wrote:Gamma's ability to kill is provable. He says, "I am going to kill X." That night, X dies. I don't see the problem here.
Slip?Wall-E wrote:Was this slip significant?corporate wrote:fair enough.
i suppose i cant say im 100% certain he is scum, but im 100% certain he is not helping himself otherwise.
if walle does happen to flip scum it wont be anyones fault but his own.
It feels more like backtracking out of a vote/mislynch.
Now out of context, this is completely believable if not slightly dramatic. Now, I do find it funny that, due to one post- ONE POST from possibly one of the biggest idiots of Mafiascum.net history (you heard me- I'm an idiot), he is terrified by a drunken, misogynic, "suicidal" claimvig.Jersey's 5th post wrote:Sorry all, been a busy day or two. I have to say I was surprised by the vig claim, and to be honest pretty perplexed why gamma would choose to threaten townies even in jest. Do we really want him making life-or-death decisions if he goes on another bender????
A few beers and one of us could find ourself watch the performance from the wrong side of the pit. Not something I am comfortable with in the least. And self-voting? Is there anything scarier than a drunken vig with suicidal tendencies???
I'll just leave that be, because if I did go off the deep end I sure would not be still on day one, would we? Let's just take it as it is- as an overreaction to a questionable claim.Jerseygoomba #9 wrote:Hrm...lets see, if I'm Gamma do I:
A. Say, "Oh Hell No Tolmides, stick it" and have you "support my lynching".
or
B. Say, "SURE Tolmides, Ill kill whoever the town wants", and have you NOT vote for me and probably defend me.
That is the dumbest proposition I can think of. Do we really want to take a chance on NOT voting Gamma off to test your "theories"????? I'm really beginning to think YOU may be scum yourself Tolmides, seeing as you would rather protect someone who out and out threatened to randomly kill folks, INCLUDING TOWNIES. I am not up for being down 2 after night 1 just to test your theories.