Mini 706 - Prozacmod 2 -Door Mafia - Over

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/confirm.

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Anybody played in a Porochaz game or Mishmash before? Is he a bastardmod?

No. I find most mods are reasonable even when they claim to be bastards so I can't say.

Vote: Tisp

For me the last to confirm.

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Anybody played in a Porochaz game or Mishmash before? Is he a bastardmod?

No. I find most mods are reasonable even when they claim to be bastards so I can't say.

Vote: Tisp

For me the last to confirm.

I know I'm tired now.

That should say for being the last to confirm.

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Vote: Korlash

You know what's behind the door... TALK!

Also @ Farside: Technically massive's replacement was the last to confirm... not Tisp...

massive never picked up. His replacment confirmed? Nope.

Tisp: OMGUS much. Yay 7 month old who is sleeping well means I dont' sleep well. Joy.

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Vote Farside

for appeal to emotion.

How is what I said an appeal for emotion?

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This game needs a little something something.

Vote: Strife220

If you all chip in, we can make a beautiful thing happen.

Why Strife? I have 2 votes and so does Korlash. Any reason you feel one person should have a BW over the others?

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Why did I get ignored?

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Korlash makes me feel like I'm listening to a lawyer talk semantics to the devil.

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Mod: Please note sig. More likely limited access then Vacation. It depends on a few things.

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I think spreyx case is weak at best. I feel like sirdanilot and Korlash feels like a town arguement based on one comment. I think both have a point about what scum does and doesn't do but I don't see a reason why asking question about votes is scummy.

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What? Someone has a weak case on page 4?!?!? NO WAI! That's impossible!

I thought he was trying to make a case on someone. I stated a fact. Same on me for being serious.

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Hi back from my limited access. I have a few games I need to get to first. (no offense) I should get to this one by tomorrow.

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So here is what I got from reading:

Darox: post 74 why the deadly serious vote for strife?
spyrex: post 97 disagree with his annalogy
armlx post 101 you asked him a question and he answer now your voting him for that anwser?
phate: post 107 why either armlx or spryex? Already ready for lynch on page 5?
Zazier post 108 suck it up.
Jdodge: post 114 I felt Darox was doing a vote based on BW on a person. I wanted to know why he choose one person over the other.
Korlash post 120: some of the argument between you and sir just was a bit much. I don't see scum arguing over such petty things. I think sir is right about if you thoughts his comments where scummy you would vote for him. I don't see a jump at said comment. Feels like a town arguement at face value
armlx post 124: if you felt this way why vote for sir?
spyreX post 139 is that the best you have to offer?

I agree that armlx case on sir is weak. I don't see it and feels like a vote based on absolutely nothing. I see a few lurkers who haven't said much, spryex is quiet and Darox shouldn't be ignored.
Armlx push on a weak case so far with nothing to really back it up is the worst.

unvote:
vote: armlx

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It's day one so most cases are going to be weak especially when they are just starting off. Like hey, your's for example. Just something to keep in mind eh?

I don't think you and I have played together. I state this because so far I noted your play is more silly then really helpful. You seem to enjoy jokes and just well silliness which is fine for some but I disagree with it. I dont think a weak case is something to feel strong about. It's jumping on a scum tell early with little to nothing on it. I feel like armlx is pushing it and it's a lost cause but to acknowledge that he would have to admit to making a mistake which town should not have an issue doing but scum don't do.
So in short weak causes should not be just a means to an end.

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;_; I'm hurt Farside... I mean we have only been in like 4 games together...

Really? I remember one where I replaced and that was the large game. I'm talking day 1 start game.

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Implying is not actually saying it. So to deny saying it seems pretty accurate. Also realize there are times when you imply things without realizing it. I'd have to read it again but I never got the feeling he was calling me scum.

I've never seen anyone ask someone the "If you thought I was scummy, why aren't you voting me?" without it being them thinking the other person was scum. Or attack your actions re: Jebus in the manner he did, or strawman like that.

I have many a time.

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armlx asked sir a question about the strawman. When answer armlx says he's backtracking (which I don't see) and votes for him. I think it weak.
Also jumping on a weak scum tell early is scummy. Darox is anti town for being unhelpful and I think strife and him should either start playing or ask for replacements. I don't like to lynch people based on lurking or lack of playing usually it's a mislynch more then scum lynch I've noticed more and more.

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FOS Farside

You were in shaft.ed's You Are What You Eat Mafia. Have you no memory of D1 there?

Yes and I fought hard and remember you fighting hard on some players. Your point? There is weak tells which you pointed to lu if I remember correctly for poor reasoning but you were a strong player who I felt made good points although I disagreed with you. Of course if you like i can get the link for others to read to decide your play there versus here.

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Sure, link. The case I made in that game was infinitely weaker then this game.

Yet lulu got lynched and I disagree with you on Sir. I see town arguement and I really hate strawman debates. I see scum using this tactic more and more and would love to ban the word strawman.
Here is the link we are talking about for those who are curious

viewtopic.php?t=8500

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I would love to ban most wiki terms. Too many people on this site have become too wiki! Too reliant on the stupid lingo such as WIFOM, Strawman, Opprotunistic, even the word "scum tell" is throw around too much!

*passes out pamphlets*

Join us in our fight to right the wrongs and injustices of the land.

*takes pamphlet*

I agree completely. Especially on strawman and WIFOM.

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armlx, can you please say why you FoSed Farside?

She tried to claim A) the case was weak and that B) me arguing for a "weak" case was indicative of me being scum. I know for a fact she had seen first hand that B was not true, as evidenced by that game.

Once again different ways you did it. You were agressive on lulu from the get go and pushed hard on her. This I just see as a weak case with nothing behind it.
Strife: Where do you see that sir backtracked as armlx claims happened?
Korlash: I forgot about ATIP. Really a different game type for me.

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I don't see any difference in the scenarios farside. If anything, the evidence here is actually solid.

Where? How did he backtrack? Show quote.

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At strife this is where I am confused. First you state this:

Am I scum? If you thought I were wouldn't you have voted me already.? And if you do not need an advantage, why would you take it. Isn't scum hunting the most important?

Sirdanilot, explain how this isn't a strawman.

Seconded.
This strawman is the only thing I've found worth noting in the entire debate thus far.
Sirdanilot, what is your intention in accusing Korlash of not actually thinking you're scum.

Then when you vote for sir you state the following:

(1) never said that

You definitely implied it, namely in the "If I'm scummy, why aren't you voting me" area. Your complete denial of this is part of the reason I'm voting you.

I agree with this statement. First it never seemed like much, but now it appears Sirdan may be panicking and has resorted to somewhat nonsensical arguments.

I've never seen anyone ask someone the "If you thought I was scummy, why aren't you voting me?" without it being them thinking the other person was scum. Or attack your actions re: Jebus in the manner he did, or strawman like that.

I've never really seen anyone actually say it before... at least none that I can remember... Regardless, just becuase you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Except of course for a free lunch, nevr seens it and it doesn't exist... >.>

I know I've been sort-of tempted to say it before, but have certainly never actually done so. It's effectively saying to someone "I think you're scum-hunting, and are just probing for my reactions, hence the lack of vote." It's calling the scum-hunter's bluff, and I think scum would be more likely to do this than town out of paranoia.

I agree completely. Especially on strawman and WIFOM.

WIFOM needs to go. Strawman needs to be used less often. I don't think the case on Sirdan boils down to "strawman" in this instance.


Money where my mouth is.

Unvote, Vote: Sirdanilot

I believe that's L-3.

Quiet frankly I don't get your vote here. It contradicts your first statement followed by your second statement. Why exactly are you voting for Sirdanilot at this point?

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Strife that makes more sense thank you.
Notice some people are quiet or I should say not posting.

Mod please prod JDldge and Jebus

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Stop arguing dirty, if you don't tell me what you're talking about I can't defend myself obviously.

I did tell you what I was talking about and you completely ignored it.

I've shown how you backtracked at LEAST once, but just to spell it out so you can't just run the continuous misrep/strawman.

Am I scum? If you thought I were wouldn't you have voted me already.? And if you do not need an advantage, why would you take it. Isn't scum hunting the most important?

ANd saying how he was stifling discussion earlier. Compare to

You are accusing me of something I never said, and I don't see how you could deduce from what I actually said that I was suspecting Korlash.

The reason we haven't talked about it from a town perspective is backtracking and constant misrep of attacks tends to be a scum way to weasel out of awkward scenarios.

How is those 2 quote backtracking? I see it as sir asking a question about him being scum and Korlash needs to vote for him fi he believes he is scum. Equals him saying that Korlash is scum.

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I'm talking about the 'hey, your grammar is bad' comment specifically, not what he mentioned afterwards. It's putting down Zaizer on an issue unrelated to the game, setting the "I've clearly got the upper-hand" mood for when he actually does address Zaizer's attack.

Why do you think Phate chose this opportunity to point out a grammar mistake? No doubt there's been dozens of other mistakes so far this game.

Also, why so defensive of another player?

You are as paranoid as Sir... Always looking for conspiracies and people trying to "take advantage"...

How is those 2 quote backtracking? I see it as sir asking a question about him being scum and Korlash needs to vote for him fi he believes he is scum. Equals him saying that Korlash is scum.

This was a little hard for me to understand, are you saying that you think Sir said I was scum?

No Sir thought you were saying he was scum. The second quote he ask if what he said was you were scum. I dont' see Sir saying anywhere in the first post you are scum.

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Updating a few games and doctor appointment today. I will catch up later this afternoon.
Thanks

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Korlash I would like your point on both cases from armlx and sir. Do you believe either are scum?

Also I believe armlx isn't finding something weak as I believed earlier. I think he truly believes in his case but I still disagree with it. Just seems like something that got blown up out of no where.

unvote:
vote: strife

So far your case on sir is the weakest and by far looks like lots of following of others point of view. I detect your vote as a BW vote then scum vote.

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Anyways, the slap-and-tickle

Hehe Beerfest rules!!!

Okay sorry I just need to stop laughing.



Korlash. I apprieciate your thoughts. I really dislike lynches based on info then on actual scum hunting. I've seen scum use that as logic for voting someone out more often then not. And no I don't think you are scum I'm just saying the Sir lynch looks opportunistic.
Some of the slackers (cough lurkers/ non posters) I think need to start posting more before the day ends.

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My vote is suddenly not random.

Why? What did strife say that makes you state this now?

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I need to read and have no time till Monday.

Mod: With a replacement still in the works can we get an extension.

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I woudl suggest if you're going to adapt a three strike then you're out policy then you change the ruling from "post frequently" to "Post within X time or you get prodded"...

... All my time on this site and I've only ever been prodded once... now here twice in the same blasted game... I'm getting too old for this...

I'll get working on a post within the hour...

I dont like putting times on things however as a general guideline not posting within 3 days is not what I deem frequent. I do not generally prod within that time. The rule will be ammended slightly, however.

I try to do this myself as a mod, but RL and being I like to see people post context instead of crap leads me not to be strict on that kind of rule. Also finding replacements can sometimes be hard.

Anyways Porchaz Sunday is good with me. I will have a big post today sometime.

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Korlash: post 240 my problem with the lynch itself reminds me of the game armlx and I were talking about earlier. In that day day 1 all 3 scum where on the bw against the person that armlx put pressure on. This is why I'm looking at who votes for Sir to see if there are signs of weak reasoning.
Korlash, why are you still voting yourself?
JDodge: How are one liners and posting nothing helpful for the town? Scum hunting = looking at post and seeing if someone is being opportunist.
Sir: I understand you don't like armlx case on you but he is not the only one voting for you in the matter. Why is armlx scum anoumg those voting for you?
strife: the point korlash made was his vote was on himself and he should be asked just like everyone you asked what they vote was about.
Jdodge: Why do you support armlx lynch, sprex or darox lynch at this point?
Armlx: I believe JD's is using meta against you in this case. The fact that in one game you called out one person who is known for certain actions but not Darox who you claim is known for certain actions.



Strife:

Reading strife his vote on sir is just an I agree with armlx case as seen here:

(1) never said that

You definitely implied it, namely in the "If I'm scummy, why aren't you voting me" area. Your complete denial of this is part of the reason I'm voting you.

I agree with this statement. First it never seemed like much, but now it appears Sirdan may be panicking and has resorted to somewhat nonsensical arguments.

I agree completely. Especially on strawman and WIFOM.

WIFOM needs to go. Strawman needs to be used less often. I don't think the case on Sirdan boils down to "strawman" in this instance.


Money where my mouth is.

Unvote, Vote: Sirdanilot

I believe that's L-3.

A bit later we get into the questions and answers from strife to sir

Then here is strife's main reasons for his vote:

I think sirdanilot is scum because of his unusual comment towards Korlash ("if you think i'm scum, why not vote me"), and because of his flailing on page 6 where it seems like he's picked armix as a random target to try and unload attention off of himself. I'm still not sure exactly what statement you're talking about where you accuse him of 'backtracking.'

After that strife has stated out of the debate between armlx and sir. I just feel this is weak, weak reason for vote. It doesnt' scream scum to me. I feel Sir is just fustrated (which I have felt when armlx attacks me) at the situation. His attacks on armlx makes no sense as others are voting for sir as well.
I would like Sir to explain his reason's for focusing on armlx then the others who are voting on him.

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You should know Jebus is away on holiday or something and will hopefully be back before deadline. He gave me a reason anyway that he was away and the extension should suffice him. Bad Grammar ftw!

He's as bad a killa seven. I forgot he was in this game.

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Doesn't that make him a good Killa Seven then?

Korlash, why are you still voting yourself?

Does it matter?

Yes. You are stating in a post your vote is either for Sir or Armlx but have not decided. Which point will sway you to vote or post something that states your thoughts on who is scummy. Holding a vote on yourself is useless. 7 days to deadline who exactly are you pressuring with that vote?

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@Sir: Jebus is voting for you as well. I read your case on armlx and it sounds me like you find his comment on you as a weak case. However my point on this is he is not the only one voting for you. It has been my experience that armlx pushes cases on people day 1 before and I have seen scum follow the case.
I see this as tunnel vision from both armlx and sir at this point.

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@Sir: Jebus is voting for you as well. I read your case on armlx and it sounds me like you find his comment on you as a weak case. However my point on this is he is not the only one voting for you. It has been my experience that armlx pushes cases on people day 1 before and I have seen scum follow the case.
I see this as tunnel vision from both armlx and sir at this point.

Jebus is one of the people (like phate, flameaxe) who should have been replaced out a long, long time ago. He isn't participating at all, so what's your point.
I am not voting arlmx because he's voting me, it's because he refused to back up his case and yadayadayada all the other points in my case. I have commented at the other people who were voting me, strife, spyrex and apparently still jebus. I may be inclined to read strife when I have the time, since I think that the potential case on him is interesting.

I may indeed be slightly tunneled here because most of my arguments where with armlx this game, but that doesn't mean I'm not looking at other people. And my tunnelvision is nothing compared to spyrex.

The issue is that armlx is making the most noise on you. Your comments and vote seem OMGUS in comparission. I'm thinking you are fustrated because as I said I've been in your shoes. However I think I would like to see what you say about everyone to be sure if it's fustrated townie or scum.

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@ Mod: Can we get a running votecount as deadline nears? Thanks!

Right now I'm havign the odd feeling I don't want to vote for either Arm or Sir. I would much rather see Farside get a wagon built up. Mostly as these last two posts, instead of helping the case on Arm, seem to only back up Sir. As if she's helping him along to keep this fued up.

Weak stuff really but it's one of the few things that have actually caught my eye this game...

I disagree and have disagreed with arm's case from the get go where you have not stayed one way or another. Then state you think a sir case is beneficial now you want me lynched because I disagree with armlx but since I wonder if sir is being vision impaired or OMGUS with his comments? Is that really the best you got. Seriously that is the equivalent of saying lets lynch a lurker at this point.

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I disagree and have disagreed with arm's case from the get go where you have not stayed one way or another. Then state you think a sir case is beneficial now you want me lynched because I disagree with armlx but since I wonder if sir is being vision impaired or OMGUS with his comments? Is that really the best you got. Seriously that is the equivalent of saying lets lynch a lurker at this point.

First off I said wagoned not lynched. While the difference is small at this point, I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. (Or at east not huge words like "Lynch" which is a pretty big deal in a game of mafia)

Second off my suspicion was based around a false piece of info. So I appologize. However, your comparison of your feelings on the Arm case to mine seem unfounded. What does my not staying one way or the oher have anything to do with anything concering you?

Thirdly if I wanted a lurker lynch I would suggest Phate or Darox. So using that as an out to blow off any point I had (Yes I know I don't have it now but theoretically you didn't know that yet) seems... well like you were trying to use an easy out to blow me off.

While my orriginal suspicions are gone thisresponce has given me new ones! YAY! All is not lost! ^^

At deadline the person with the most votes is lynched. Stating you would like to start a BW can lead to my lynch.
Second you stated you did not like my last two comments. I was expressing my views on my last two points in question
Third I was making a point on your comment about starting a BW based on weak reasoning then an actual case is the equivalent of lynching a lurker.

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At deadline the person with the most votes is lynched. Stating you would like to start a BW can lead to my lynch.

Aye, but just becuase it can doesn't auto make it my goal now does it?

Third I was making a point on your comment about starting a BW based on weak reasoning then an actual case is the equivalent of lynching a lurker.

That seems to be the only thing you can think to talk about this game isn't it? Arm's case is weak! ... Strife's case is weak! ... Korlash's reasons are weak! Kinda like a broken record...

It didn't have anything to do with Farside. It was just a question, which you didn't answer.

I'm sure I've answered it in the past. Do you expect me to answer the same queston over and over?

I said I disagreed with armlx. I stated that sir's case looks like either tunnel vision or OMGUS comments. Mostly and I pointed to why if you read my post is I believe strife BW vote and case is weak.
Fine your so called case on me is crap. Is that better.


Saying 6 days before deadline I would like to start a BW on someone and you expect them not to be lynched with a deadline lynch with scum looking for any opportunity to jump at last minute reasons. Yay I kind of see that as looking for a lynch on me. Especially as you are thinking of doing this as a sort of last minute tactic with little to no reason.

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Okay, so I have said what I thought about everyone. What is your conclusion?

You did? Where? I asked you this question and between my post and your post there is nothing.

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My orriginal suspicions are not actually lost because when you think about Strife and Armlx are near the same in the fact they are both against Sir. So my orriginal point about instead of pushing her vote she instead focuses on the person that is being pushed by the person her vote is on. Confusing sure, but I still think it holds merit.

It scares me that Darox is paying more attention to the difference then Korlash that I wonder if Korlash is protecting a scum buddy at this point.
I showed stifes case it is lacking in comparision to armlx points.
Armlx williness to vote switch on something so frivilous is noted.

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Right... so who is this scum buddy? Arm? Sir? I mean who can I honestly be protecting?

Not sure considering your comments about both of them. You are noncommintal either way. The I think Sir is the best lynch with everything said, but not placing a vote. Saying next to nothing on Armlx case but silently behind it. Could be either one with the way the votes go.
I'm leaning Armlx based on his own comment to you in following a case built on gut more then anything else. However Armlx has been pretty good at stating his case and armlx like pressure so that is really null.
Could be Sir who is just trying to get pressure off of him and build a case on armlx and you are buddying with armlx to keep a distance between Sir and yourself.
I like the idea of testing things myself lets see which way the wind blows shall we.

unvote:
vote: Korlash

I wonder which buddy will defend and which will jump with you. Which person you are protecting and which you are distancing. Should be fun to watch.

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Nicely done. Placing a retribution vote on the grounds "You could be a scum buddy with so an so" or in laments terms placing a vote on me for reasons of another possibly being scum. That's a slam dunk case Farside... (For the other guy )

Proving your case is just as assign as you believe mine is. However the difference is the proff is in the pudding.

And as far as I know its not semantics. A few people think Sir is susupicious or scummy or whatever they think due to stuff he posted. It is a viable, worthwhile, scum hutning case they have going and you want them to stop just because you disagree with it? BS. Go make your own case or find a new direction to travel and don't tell the others to throw away the last 4 pages they put effort into.

You note others views but don't state your own here.

I think Sir's case has a lovely personality but it just doesn't seem to be the type I would hang around except on special occasions. Arm's is a little more exotic and fun loving but I doubt it would show any appreciation. I mean it really doesn't need me...

In all serious I don't think either is overly more scummy then the other. However if I were to make a logical deduction as to which one would most benefit the town to vote I would say Sir. He has been the more or less center of attention all day. Meaning he would have more to analyze knowing his alignment and of course the "connections" factor.

Do I believe this alone is enough to lynch under normal circumstances? no. But I do know that this game has been plagued with inactives (sadly I know I fall into this category myself here and there) and of course the only real discussion that happened today involved Sir. So it seems the "best" course of action.

But when I get back I'll make an effort to read arm and sir and even strife and maybe give my real "point" on the issue. However Jason Stathom is more immportant so I bid you all adue!

Basically promoting a policy lynch but still vague on who you find scummy either way.

I agree with you. However with less then a week till deadline, I don't forsee a "lot" of new scum hunting going's on. And a lurker lynch seems to pale incommparison to a Sir lynch.

Yet you didn't feel the need to vote at this time either.

At this point you never did do a case or view on either Sir or Amlx by the way.

This is stupid. Deadline rules state the highest number of votes will be lyched so a no lynch is out of the question. (unless someone changed the rules on me) and this close to deadline reasons for voting are the most important. Especially from a player like Flame.

Oh wait you know about this but you want to push votes on be at deadline. How convienent that you wait so long to do this:

Right now I'm havign the odd feeling I don't want to vote for either Arm or Sir. I would much rather see Farside get a wagon built up. Mostly as these last two posts, instead of helping the case on Arm, seem to only back up Sir. As if she's helping him along to keep this fued up.

When I defend my point and mention that your little delay in trying to start votes on my near deadline you state this:

First off I said wagoned not lynched. While the difference is small at this point, I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. (Or at east not huge words like "Lynch" which is a pretty big deal in a game of mafia

)

Yet over and over you fail to realize that at deadline the person with the most votes is lynched. I see this as an attempt to stop either Sir (most likely as he as the most votes) from being voted out or Armlx (as people see him as a viable second option)

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@Farside:

The proff is in the pudding? YOU KILLED THE PROFESSOR? TSK,TSK.

Damn spelling police. I hate your grammar teaser.

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Korlash how many games have you been in where who ever has the most votes at deadline is lynched?
Do you know what typically happens at those deadline lynch times?

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Korlash how many games have you been in where who ever has the most votes at deadline is lynched?
Do you know what typically happens at those deadline lynch times?

I really don't see what you think this argument will accomplish. But I'll humor you.

1) Aside from Mith's games, nearly everyone I've been in. Once in a while an odd game will have special circumstances. Sometimes deadlines carry a no lynch, sometimes deadlines carry a random lynch, and every so often a game comes around that just plain doesn't have a deadline and requires a majority.

2) uhh... At deadline lynch times I assume a lynch occurs and the day ends... I guess in some extreme cases of sickly mod a brief twilight may occur but then that just defeats the purpouse of a deadline now doesn't it?

Okay so you have seen a deadline lynch.
2) As a mod I have seen many number of times where the scum will say oh it's deadline I need to vote someone and they vote a person not based on much but they make up some excuse and place a vote after not doing much the rest of the game. This is what I see you doing with your vote. That is why I questioned you and show where you have been thinking either Sir or armlx but instead of really giving a view on either you decided to go a whole different direction which to me screams scum trying to save a scum buddy. Maybe a vote on me will be nothing. Maybe the hope is a few scum and town will go on a null wagon in the order to help you out. I'm suspicious by nature of anyone who is ho hum most of the game gets all excited to vote for nothing that has been mentioned until close to deadline. Yay I call a spade a spade.

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Now I think you are just teasing me.

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dis PR iz da bomb
i wanna giv a shout out to mah nigga porochaz fo alwayz askin hoo
dis game iz da bomb yo

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dis PR iz da bomb
i wanna giv a shout out to mah nigga porochaz fo alwayz askin hoo
dis game iz da bomb yo

I'll reply for Prozac.

Who are you?

da killah nine chocolit yall niggaz wanna put me down fo chocolit
dis thred aint been dis quiet in a long ass time

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"This guy knows what the room # for X is, we should kill him to stop him using it again night 3"

Especially if X is a danger to scum, like investigative roles.

Sure, it doesn't prevent someone else from finding it, but it gives the scum a better chance of taking it.

admit it niggaz yall need me.
you dis nigga poro gotz cover yo

3.4 To keep the game from becoming one sided some of the items will be removed/swapped based on another players item, these players will know who they are and may if they wish reveal which rooms they have swapped. If this action has not been chosen then the mod will swap 2 rooms at random.

claimin do dis harm

[farside22]

*sigh* Our claims got screwed over Farside... >.>

dis shit aint funny yo.

[farside22]

I'm back. I promise.

I think we need to move past night conjecture and look at what happened yesterday and pull what we can from it.

I also agree with Darox about Ythill.

u hidin not claimin yo

[farside22]

"This guy knows what the room # for X is, we should kill him to stop him using it again night 3"

Especially if X is a danger to scum, like investigative roles.

Sure, it doesn't prevent someone else from finding it, but it gives the scum a better chance of taking it.

dis

[farside22]

dis shit iz hard yo ah be claimin room yo ah b claimin shit n iz gone
ah gonna claimin yo
room sayz chocolit r vanila yo ah sayz chocolit iz da bomb
may nigga poro sayz talkin lik k9 dis day ah getz da bomb itemz n d end yo

[farside22]

ah gotz 2 no mah room no ice yo. iz swith yo

[farside22]

So we are clear, both you and farside had a choice to pick either chocolate or vanilla ice cream?

no room filld wit chocolit. I gotz 2 sayz 2 eatz r not yo

[farside22]

EBWOP:

@Far: Did

your room

contain the chocolate/vanilla choice at the beginning of the night or later?

ah gotz chocalit roomz yo.
ah eatz chocalit r stayz vanila 4 da nit

[farside22]

2.) Talk like Killa Nine.

yo

[farside22]

farside22 = PE#1.

Scummy as hell. I will not bore you with the details here but, rahter, will put together a PbPA in the next few days. Far, please respond to my accusations in #462.

nigga pleze dis shit iz hard yo

[farside22]

Why were you so convinced, early D1, that sirdan was town? Why, in spite of this conviction, did you nitpick sirdan when he started to make sense vs. Arm?

nigga ah not sure nothin.

I feel Sir is just fustrated (which I have felt when armlx attacks me) at the situation. His attacks on armlx makes no sense as others are voting for sir as well.

@Sir: Jebus is voting for you as well. I read your case on armlx and it sounds me like you find his comment on you as a weak case. However my point on this is he is not the only one voting for you. It has been my experience that armlx pushes cases on people day 1 before and I have seen scum follow the case.
I see this as tunnel vision from both armlx and sir at this point.

The issue is that armlx is making the most noise on you. Your comments and vote seem OMGUS in comparission. I'm thinking you are fustrated because as I said I've been in your shoes. However I think I would like to see what you say about everyone to be sure if it's fustrated townie or scum.

I sayz feelin do to nigga arm alwyz postin iz lik dis yo
sayin u not round nigga ah madez mah pointz

[farside22]

nigga ah not sure nothin.

Nothin u sayz n diz showz nothin nigga
u foolin

[farside22]

ah b sayin town feelin nigga gotz a reachin yo

[farside22]

Nothin u sayz n diz showz nothin nigga
u foolin

"Nuh-uh" is not an argument.

The quotes contained examples of you defending sirdan, attacking multiple people for his votes against him, disagreeing with multiple cases against him, calling his lynch "opportunistic",

and explicitly calling him town.

Clearly the actions of someone who has a townie read on sirdan. Arguing this premise is going to get you deeper into trouble.

Explain why you felt that way about sirdan. Then explain why you pressured him later in the day.

wherez u seez diz
dat rit noez wher
ah sayz armlx doez diz shit n wid mah
u readin mah shit nigga

dis

Once again different ways you did it. You were agressive on lulu from the get go and pushed hard on her. This I just see as a weak case with nothing behind it.

n diz shit iz u not seein

@Sir: Jebus is voting for you as well. I read your case on armlx and it sounds me like you find his comment on you as a weak case.

However my point on this is he is not the only one voting for you. It has been my experience that armlx pushes cases on people day 1 before and I have seen scum follow the case.

I see this as tunnel vision from both armlx and sir at this point.

[farside22]

uz tryin 2 getz mah bomb gift gon yo

[farside22]

n lookin 2 talkin lik k9 ah seein dis

aight yo ah got 100 game posts now so if yall niggaz wanna put me down fo chocolit townee u cud now yo

cud b y nigga poro gotz idea yo

[farside22]

nigga Ythill gotz nothin u reachin n nothin more yo

[farside22]

First of all I got my prize and I gave Ythill a present. Hope you enjoy the same problem I had. I can do one more person so treat me nicely or your next.
I targeted ythill because I felt his attacks on me were opportunist with my post restriction.
I will have more to say Monday. Right now I have a busy little boy to keep occupied.

[farside22]

dis shit iz hard yo ah be claimin room yo ah b claimin shit n iz gone
ah gonna claimin yo
room sayz chocolit r vanila yo ah sayz chocolit iz da bomb
may nigga poro sayz talkin lik k9 dis day ah getz da bomb itemz n d end yo

no room filld wit chocolit. I gotz 2 sayz 2 eatz r not yo

This implies a choice, as far as I can tell from the crazy moon speak.

Now that I can clarify quickly. The room was filled with choclate. I could choose to eat the chocolate or be vanilla. I figured what the hell I will eat the chocolate and I really don't care for vanilla (which does nothing).
As for what happened if I broke the PR early is I would not have received a prize. I didn't know what the prize was. I thought it would be helpful.

[farside22]

I will answer stuff Monday. I don't have time to go over everthing.
I will say your case is crap. I will show why I think armlx attacks on Sir where weak at best and how armlx always does that as far as I have seen. (which is attack a person on weak reasoning.)

[farside22]

Sounds good to me. However, please try to get it in early Monday if you can. I'm going to be LA for 2-3 weeks starting on Tuesday morning and I'd like to have time to consider/reply to your defense.

While on my road-trip, I will be stopping at libraries and cafes to check in occasionally, comment, and maintain my vote, but I will not have time for in-depth rereads or overly complicated arguments.

This message has been brought to you by Eggnogfas:

"It's so great, you'll never celebrate another holiday again."

Earliest I can get it done should be no later then 10:00am PST

[farside22]

I have a bit of time right now. The reason's I didn't like armlx attacks had to do with the fact that armlx in many a game with him always seems to attack someone with weak reason and that person turns out to be town.
One example was in the game I mentioned day one which was you are what you eat. Lulu was the person he attacked and she was town.
This game:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8307
I was the person he went after. I have yet to see armlx be right day 1 and to me his case on sir was weak.
As for later in the day sir was attacking armlx back but to me his case was just because armlx attacks and nothing really I found scummy in those attacks. I looked at those who jumped on the BW because as in the link above and the link on day one scum was typically part of BW. Nothing to explain, jumping on a tell just to make it so they don't have to worry about looking scummy themselves are tells for me.

[farside22]

@ Farside: So you thought arm's attacks on sirdan were weak because he's always wrong D1 and goes after town, but you didn't think sirdan was town? That doesn't make sense. Nor does you calling the Kor vs. sirdan argument town vs. town unless you thought sirdan was town. And a bunch of other stuff I quoted...

You really can't deny it, I don't understand why you're trying.

Let us praise eggnogfas. O eggnogfas... ooh, you are so big... so absolutely huge. Gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you. Forgive us, o eggnogfas, for this, our dreadful toadying, and barefaced flattery. But you are so strong and, well, just so super.

Stop trying to misrepresnt what I stated. I said it feels like a town argument. I don't know what the hell kor is. As for Sir part of how he was saying/acting reminded me of how I felt when armlx attacked me. I wanted more info from sir to verify if he was aggreviated as a townie or scum. Sometimes my own emotions cloud my judgement.
I really think the fact that you never stated one way or another day 1 on sir and armlx and I dont' recall who you replaced at the moment stated is hypocrical and convient.
Saying that I said Sir was town is a misrepresentation of what I did say and the quote you keep using prove I said feel because that is what I felt reading Sir.

FOS yhtill

I'm not voting till I had a chance to read but your attacks are based on comments that were just something I stated over and over was a feeling you know gut. Nothing else plus you attacked me and voted me when I was PR and that in itself lokks hella opportunist.

[farside22]

I expected better from you, Farside. You focused entirely on one point, neglecting, "revealing your "bomb gift" when you didn't know what it was, using the PR as a cop-out, and your strange attack on Kor." Are you stalling because you know I'm going on a road trip and you figure you can snow the rest of the town while I'm gone?

I already said I didn't know what the gift was. Do I need to repeat myself 3 times for you because seriously it annoying to me to repeat myself.
If I didn't do the PR I would not get a prize. I didn't know what the prize was and I thought maybe it would help. It didn't. I got to lock someone in the room or give a PR. I don't know what locking someone in the room will do so the PR was more bennifical as you and spryx thought I was faking which I proved was BS

[farside22]

Saying that I said Sir was town is a misrepresentation of what I did say and the quote you keep using prove I said feel because that is what I felt reading Sir.

So now you admit that you "felt" he was town from reading him. How is that different from having a town read on sirdan? I think you're arguing semantics because I've got you in a corner.

Bullshit it's call gut pulled in with my own emotions because armlx is a bully in my book

I wanted more info from sir to verify if he was aggreviated as a townie or scum. Sometimes my own emotions cloud my judgement.

So you didn't want to verify this during the first half of the day, while you were attacking armlx and strife, but you did want to verify it just before deadline, when the person you "felt" was town was the lead lynch candidate? And your form of verification was to nitpick and attack him?

If you read the game you would notice that sir was getting more pissy towards armlx and I read that as fustrated but not sure what type of fustration it was.

FOS yhtill

Can I use OMGUS here, Kor? **checks pamphlet**

No you can't I stated my reason. OMGUS is saying I voting you because you suck. I'm not voting you I'm FOS'ing you and I stated why. Stop standing behind crap and tell me why you waited till today to attack me when I was post restricted?

Wait a minute... you gave me the wrong pamphlet, this one is all about

how great eggnogfas is.

...your attacks are based on comments that were just something I stated over and over was a feeling you know gut.

Your premise is flawed. You are asking us to believe that you got an early gut read on sirdan and acted on it to the exclusion of everything else, not questioning it at all, until a few days before deadline when he was bound to be the deadline lynch, at which point you decided to verify your gut read by attacking him.

Once again read the links. I have prejudice against Armlx with day 1 attacks.

Nothing else plus you attacked me and voted me when I was PR and that in itself lokks hella opportunist.

So your theory is that we should not attack scum who have a PR? You're still hiding behind it.

No you didn't say anything about me as scum yesterday but how convient for you I was post restricted and you come up with crap that was based on gut and feeling from armlx usual day 1 antics. Plus the convience that you replaced someone who didn't take much of a stand which was Phate who said this by the way:

The argument between sirdan and Korlash was ~a waste of my time to read. It strikes me as two townies going at it - I wouldn't vote for either of them at the moment. Korlash's play is typical of the other game I've played with him (in which he was town). What interests me more are the people taking sides. I'd be alright with an armlx or SpyreX lynch.

I call you a hypocrite

[farside22]

I already said I didn't know what the gift was. Do I need to repeat myself 3 times for you because seriously it annoying to me to repeat myself.

No. You need to read what I said so you can address it, rather than repeating something that doesn't even apply. LOL. You're annoying yourself.

A townie gets a PR and the promise of a "bomb gift" that he thinks "might be something helpful." Does it make sense for the townie to reveal this, risking a NK before he can use his "bomb gift?" No. A mafioso gets a PR and the promise of a "bomb gift" that he thinks "might be something helpful." Does he need to worry about being NKed before using his "bomb gift?" No.

So the townie is less likely to mention the gift at all, and the mafioso is more likely to bring it up in order to help him avoid the noose. Let's put it in simple terms. You thought the gift was a power, yes? Why would a townie claim a power unless she absolutely had to? Discuss.

Scoreboard

Number of major arguments for Farside to discuss: 4
Number of arguments Farside has reduced to semantics but not disproven: 1
Number of arguments Farside has dodged by "not understanding" them: 1
Number of arguments that Farside still hasn't addressed: 2

Number representing how great eggnogfas is: 6,982,663,828.

I've got a great idea. Let's all vote for Farside.

What the hell are you talking about. I was told about the PR at night and believe asked about the PR and people doubting it so I mentioned I would get something if I kept up the PR. How is the equivalant to scum?
The gift wasn't anything. I was told what I got I shared what I got. It was nothing useful. So your point above is completely null at this point.
Nice side track to not noticing me calling you a hypocrite with who you replaced.

[farside22]

I call you a hypocrite

That's rich. Listen up everyone, I am a hypocrite because of something my predecessor said. Farside is getting desperate.

No your a hypocrite because your predessor said the same fucking thing that you are calling me and Kor out for saying we are scum.

[farside22]

Oh and what question am I dodging. Ask them right here and now. All the ones I so called missed and I will answer each one. Unlike you who writes things off because it's convient

[farside22]

@Ythill:

Why the hyperagression all of a sudden?

JDodge picked up his prod but hasn't posted?

This argument is starting to dominate today (much like sirdan was yesterday). Lets make sure everyone else chimes in.

fine your here what do you think of yhtill's case. What about the fact he is using a gut feeling based on emotion and yet ignoring the fact his predessor said the same thing about Kor and Sir's argument is not hypocritical?

[farside22]

Hypocrisy (or the state of being a hypocrite) is the act of preaching a certain belief, religion or way of life, but not, in fact, holding these same virtues oneself. For example, if a person were to tell one to repent for his sins yet he never repents himself this is hypocrisy.

People like you doubted my PR. No one except you and spreyx. I pointed out a prize and you seem to think I'm a mind reader on what mafia will or won't do? Are you seriously using WIFOM as labeling me scum?
Also the only thing I said bad about Sir was when he kept attacking armlx based on armlx case on him and no one else. It was either in my opinion at the time because he was genuinely fustrated. However with him going back and just attacking armlx and not focusing I didn't know if it was something where he needed to look at everything or because he could be scum playing omgus after awhile.

Where are the so called questions I missed and stop acting like I know what the hell you are talking about. I just know I had a PR and people attacked me (cough you) based on crap reasoning. Oh look she said he was town how the hell did she know. Wait Phate said the same damn thing how the hell did he know. That's me calling you a hypocrite. See above.

[farside22]

yay, i am so happy. thank you whoever sent me this very awesome packaged pr... farside your shoes are very nice. and ythill i love that shirt. t? tank? very you...

i am so looking forward to the awesome time i will have in the near future as i read the most awesome posts you fine fellows have posted recently. this pr is so much fun. not being able to use capitals rule! and i love being cheery and upbeat! thanks again! =)

You did ask for the present. I couldn't resist your charms.

[farside22]

Spryex is awesome and right. Sorry I had to join in the love fest.
If yhtill you dont' want to tell me what I missed then stop saying I missed something.
At least Spreyx gets what I'm saying. I need to cool down since someone is pissing me off because he doesn't like my answers and comes to conclusions that are far out WIFOM.
Hello physic network I think the mafia will kill me if I mention a gift that was just got outted and explained. Thanks.
Oh also apparently yhtill your predessors gut doesn't mean anything but mine gut does. That is hypocritcal.
God I need to stop before I call someone some names.

[farside22]

First of all is everything to you considered an attack. If you are one of those people who think asking questions is attacking people I'm not going to get along with you.
I wasn't hiding behind a PR. I found it difficult to talk like K9. I don't know how he does it and I din't want to stop doing it just to satisfy your happy ass.
I asked questions to Kor because he wasn't voting anyone but himself and deadline was approaching. I didn't get his vote on me and wonder if maybe armlx or sir was his scum buddy and I was missing something. To me asking someone about their vote and having them be indecisive about their vote then voting someone else to stir conversation at deadline comes off as scummy.
I didn't lie about games with Kor I just forgot I played with him. I play a lot of games I don't remember every single person i play against. If you do kudos for you.

Please quote me denying anything you stated about sir. I said what I said every single post Also things I said as K9 seemed to confuse people so if you mention that I can clarify better now.

Why was my attack strange on Kor. What was your thoughts on sir's case on armlx? Why did you wait till day 2 to actually read the game?
What do you think about the fact your precessor called the arguement town based but you call me and Kor scummy because we said the exact fucking thing?

How many people talked about claiming rooms today? Seriously I claimed. Others claimed. Many people to choose from. Did you pick the same room? Did everyone else pick the same room I am assuming that the rooms are more important then a prize I got that was useless in the end.

No Phate didn't have time and had to be replaced how lucky for him. Wish I could lurk as others do sometimes and looks so innocent.

[farside22]

Farside, did you honestly give a PR to 2 people? If anything, that is why I would vote you.

I explain why I targeted yhtill with the PR. Ask Korlash if he is having an issue with the PR and voting me because I gave a PR to 2 people who are able to work with it without an issue is dumb. MmmK.
@Yhtill I tried to work around the PR but when you started questioning me and expecting me to find ways to counter it it was beyond my ability to do so as speaking like K9 is very difficult. Had I realized the prize was really not all that great I would have given it up long ago.

[farside22]

I promise to get an evaluation tomorrow for this game. I need to work on actual work today. Actually Friday looks better then tomorrow.

[farside22]

Today is going to crap fast at work. I will do my best to get some views in today about a few players. The problems is finding time to go back and read through everything right now.

[farside22]

Alright I'm going to do the slow posters (aka rarely posters first) since it will be what I have time for right now.

Darox:

Mostly one liners. Had a strong response to strife with a good long post on his vote and reason. Talked about the claims and what it could do for the town.

Even thought Darox doesnt' really say much when he does say something it comes across as well thought out. I get he is reading the game and deffinately has ideas that seem bennifical to the town in the long run.

Darox do you still feel strong about strife? Who else do you think is scum and why?

[farside22]

Flameaxe: Typicall one liner post. Not much to nothing said day 1.
Day 2 defends the PR I had and shows how it was probablly fact more then fiction. Talks about yhtill's Pr and how it came about.
Nothing else really stands out.

Flameaxe is always one of those people I find hard to read. His lack of posting and lack of much to say as far as who is scum always has me think negative of him, as I think not scum hunting = anti town which = scummy.
However his argument with Spryex when Spreyex attacked him did seem opportunist. Seems like Spryex attacked Flameaxe only when Flameaxe was arround and saying something to point out Flameaxe lack of posting. Seriously it should have been said earlier and it looks fake trying when Spreyx does it when he does.

[farside22]

Tajo: Do you think Crazy is scum? Why?

[farside22]

Tajo: Do you think Crazy is scum? Why?

Sorry wrong game.

[farside22]

Just checkin in. I can start now, but as Prozac indicated I don't think I'll get a good amount of game play in before Monday.

On a side note, has their been any discussion of how afatchick died before I start trodding through the thread?

Yes. I believe yhtill mentioned the gun blowing up.

Mod: Side note I am going to be busy. I will do my best to post but things just went from bad to worse.

[farside22]

Before I get going on replies and more reading I'd like to point out that I think farside22 should claim her room last night if she hasn't already.

While it may be highly amusing to have someone talking like K9, I think such PR's hinder town play and provide a front for scum to hide behind. Thus regardless of who get's the PR they will produce an antitown outcome.

I don't mind doing that. I think shaft is right as the room seems more of a hinderance then a help.
Last nigh I chose room 10.

Also I won't be able to read like I had hoped this week. Please ask me questions and I will try my best to get some points inbetween.
Thanks.

[farside22]

Yeah sorry about the farside22 room thing, if I had known it was a temp PR

Even if it was temp it was a pain. If the rooms are switched by someone then my claim means nothing.

[farside22]

Jd: Post on everything 1st post was pretty okay. I think he missed some things, but I'm not sure what to think about his comment on armlx ignoring Darox.
As far as I've ever played with Armlx he always seems to find one person and tear them apart.
To answer this if I missed it:

Define "actual scum hunting". Is using the info available to you not, indeed, actually scum hunting? How is it not?

People who jump on a BW without really saying much. When someone says oh we will get info on this lynch instead of saying the person is scum we should lynch them I think about Sens in a game who said the same thing and he turned out to be scum.
Just something off about it.
Why would you vote for Sprex, Darox or Korlash day 1?

How sad is it that I've posted but once on Day 2 and only 1 person seems to have taken notice? I want answers as to why people haven't been cognizant of this.

I've been busy with trying to keep up a horrible PR and answering question with yhtill to notice you missing.

JD: Would you please tell me your top 3 scum suspects. Besides Armlx did it change from yesterday or the fact that afat fliped scum tell you anything?

Wait why do you think I'm town?


Reading further JD is pretty passionate after being absent. (I will assume school/ travel). I usually don't get to see him this pushy in games often. I think most of what he is saying is based on meta and also interactions between Armlx and Darox.
I do agree that if you find someone ignoring a player if can look like scum distancing. I see JD already stated Darox as his second so you can now ignore my top 3 scum suspects question.
Overall I get a good town read from JD based on his comments and strong aggressive comments towards other players.

[farside22]

Jebus/ shaft.ed

Mostly one liners. Offered nothing as far as information anywhere.
Why do you think Armlx/ SpreX scum?
Makes points about SpreyX and talks about afat's comments of players.
Even though I wasn't ask:

After Jebus asked to be replaced did you find his lurking more or less scummy?

I agree it is a null tell however:

Does the replacement indicate an attempt at strategic lurking?

I can't see that it does.

This game is a bit hard to get into, even I am having trouble.


Jebus wasn't helpful at all. Shaft.ed has made attempts to show interaction with dead scum and armlx. As well as showing a case on Spreyx.
Question to shaft.ed Do you see an interaction between armlx and spreyx and if so where?
What about JD's comments about Darox and armlx?

As for me and my read on shaft/ Jebus the jury is still out right now. I see pro's and con's but it's hard when a player was non existant one day replaced by another player who just is getting started.

[farside22]

As for me and my read on shaft/ Jebus the jury is still out right now. I see pro's and con's but it's hard when a player was non existant one day replaced by another player who just is getting started.

So why did you do me second then?

Second person I read or second person with Jebus?
Second person today is I'm reading in alphabet order with those who didn't post much. JD was first today followed by Jebus.
I read Jebus first and since you replaced him. I did an analysis with you included in the Jebus comments.

[farside22]

Ythill, you stated afatchic's 342 cleared yourself and strife, why is that?

Also could you please vote for someone to demonstrate you are restricted.

Been there, done that, turns out he is.

Thanks, was reading through Ythill in isolation and didn't notice the vote post. Also it isn't a temp restriction like farside's?

I believe he said he could vote after the 14th which been and passed.

[farside22]

I'm sorry Poro. I had to give a game up and this is the one. I might be able to stay but the earliest I can get back to normal speed here is the first week of Feb.
I don't want the town to suffer because RL is kicking me up and down and I really don't know if I'm going to find time to read this game along with everything else I'm doing.
Please replace me.

[farside22]

The mod asked me if I could stay in the game. I requested a week to finish up. Oman is supposed to be a temp replacement.
Hopefully in a week I will get my crap together and back in the game.