Mini 702--Serum & Steel(The rust has settled/Game Over)

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Vote: Porkens

Serum: Wall-E

Mycosynth: ortolan

Let's do this.

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Vote: Porkens

Serum: Wall-E

Mycosynth: ortolan

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You will obey the Urr-Quan.

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I'm curious what your idea is. I have something to gain by getting the serum. I'll claim if I have to.

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In my role PM I have an indication that the serum will grant me powers. I see no such indication in Timeater's PM. For that reason alone, I will not vote to serum Timeater.

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Don't play for the serum, play to lynch scum. Then you'll get the serum.

So, play mafia. Gotcha. Where's that rolling eyes emote?

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Ok SpyreX, at least I know what kind of player you are now. Extremely, extremely cautious - to the point of getting in the way of good play. ^_^;

I think you are too happy-go-lucky.

1.) Talking about a plan in the future isn't a good idea. The plan you setout isn't good for a few obvious reasons.
a.) Considering how important the Myco is, we have to assume that Metal status is independent of alignment.
b.) Considering our mod is going to let us give our PMs, we have to assume that scum have safeclaims or we could just win right now.
--- thus, this plan was a bad one.

I dont disagree with point 1, but you're shooting down ideas before they even have a chance to come to fruition. I dont like this. You're not giving Ort (or myself) a chance to even talk about things without casting us in a negative light.

This is not a streaming conversation. We are playing a game on a message board. Spyrex's opinion is just one of many. Feel free to say as much as you please on any subject you can imagine without letting the opinions of others influence you. (note that the author doesn't do this, but it's up to the perogative of the player.)

I'm a firm believer in

bonding until those bonds are broken

or the "best buds" philosophy as I call it Anyone can be the cold analytical sniperkid, not granting any case of WIFOM in any situation, only relying on hard lynch evidence, never trusting anything anyone says no matter the situation.

I think you are too happy-go-lucky.

Thats simply not my style and not the way I wish to go about playing most games. Especially this one.

I think you are too happy-go-lucky.

Can you, in your own words, define what a safeclaim is, and how it would apply to this game?

I'd also like to hear the definition of "safeclaim."

The potential of you being scum outweighs any chance of me being pro giving it to you today.

Do you really think I'd be so bold to claim as early as I did if I was scum? If not me, then who? Everyone else is vanilla.

WIFOM

Its a bad idea for more metalliods (if they exist) to step forward in hopes of getting the serum. I dont understand your confusion.

I am against ANYONE claiming unprovoked. This is just something I've learned by playing this game. I've played with groups who spontaneously claim like you do, but in the environment of mafiascum such is anathema to most of these players' style, and they'll attack you for it (evidence: Spyrex)

Metals are a damn nice benefit to the town but they are such a detriment in scums hands that yes, I will vote to Myco ANY metal that comes out that is not confirmed.

With that logic, a Metalloid will never get the serum because you will have Myco'd them to confirm them. That makes

ZERO

sense.

I think he's saying let's stick to the better plan of "Myco scummy folks (esp. if they survive a lynch), serum pro-town folks, and nobody claims unless they're at L-1."

Instead, we should have done what is obvious - play it out like a normal game and, before lynch, decide who to give the serum to based on their play.

We can get a better scumhunting process going in the Serum/Myco stage before the lynch stage. Thats what should obvious.

I'm not sure what you're aiming for with this. Of course more than an average number hit town because there are more town then scum. Would you suggest no lynching in its place?

I would suggest voting for me in hopes that an alignment reveal would be possible through the process.

Let's ask the mod before going with that plan.

Giving the serum to a metal is a bonus. Not a right.

I am really starting to take your hostility towards the idea of a town-aligned metalloid getting a power as just pure fear.

Duh. Only stupid people are fearless.

Extreme, un-adulterated scummy fear.

What?

Your first response to my claim was to myco vote me. What does that say about you? Rationalize it however you want, I think that was a big error on your part. I'm watching you.

For the record, I agree with everything Spryex has been saying. Am I scummy too?

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Finally:

MOD: Does EVERYONE get power from Blinkmoth? Will a lynched metallic person's alignment be revealed? (I'm guessing not because I'm smarter than a 5th grader)

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MOD: Who are the mafia?

wait

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I've done slightly scummy things as town to avoid the mafia's NK before.

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There was a reason I kept it quite, which I have already given. Namely that it would encourage scum to act as un-scummy as possible in order to attract the vote.

Lol, wut?
Because without the plan, scum wouldn't bother? [face_palm]

I've done slightly scummy things as town to avoid the mafia's NK before.

??? Do you get this?

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You know, I'd like to explain it, but I think it might be best not to.

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^ The amount of fail in the above post is just beyond comprehension

ok, teh colour thing went badly, what else was there?

I think what they're saying is, "Why would you serum, lynch and mycosynth the same player?" to which, were I you, I would reply, "It's a random vote, dudes."

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omg we're clearly scumbuddies

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and if anyone has a better idea on how to distribute the serum, we could really use it

Off the top of my head:

1) Randomly. The odds that any one player is town are ~78%. If we went down the player list assigning the serum (or rolled a die each day) we'd have good odds of creating several pro-town power roles versus the scum's potentially only two or three.

2) Mass PM quote. I dislike this idea for several reasons, but it's got its own kind of appeal in this situation.

3) We elect someone D1 by seruming the most pro-town looking player. That player chooses the next day's target, and so forth for the rest of the game. This method has an obvious flaw in that if the scum ever got their hands on the ball they'd proceed to power up their whole team.

4) Do what Timeater did. I agree with gremwell that TE seems very town, but I'm not anxious to gamble.

5) Nobody gets the serum. We mycosynth the hell out of the town and play a normal game of mafia.

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6) We proceed with the currently best sounding idea, which is to vote each day the way the mod intended.

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It's four pages! Read it yourself! Holy monkey nuts!

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ortolan(2): Wall-E

?? Am I a double mycosynth voter?

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Concerning the Blinkmoth Serum: The Blinkmoth Serum is a substance that activates the inate abilities of a person. All players at the start of the game are vanilla. To gain abilities, they must be imbued with the Blinkmoth Serum. You may only vote for one person to get Serum, though. See Concerning Voting for how to vote for a player to be imbibed with serum.
Serum only lasts one day/night cycle.

If a player is given serum twice, they must continue to get serum, or they will die at the beginning of the next phase.

Bolding mine.

This gives the town the opportunity to have three kills every two days.

Mod: Do metal players die of blinkmoth serum overdose?

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The rest of your analysis I can at least ignore.

This, however:

3. If you do believe I am town, as some of you have said, you should be voting to give me the serum.

- Why? There simply is no better candidate at the moment.

(I can name two others I'd rather give it to.)

The facts presented at the game's outset are that a metalloid cannot be killed in anyway; the problem with giving someone else the serum is that they will be killed night 1.

(What if the blinkmoth grants metal status?)

It is simply illogical for a scummer to try to get the serum today because later tonight they will need to make a nightkill. There would be no way they could save themselves from a lynch the next day when they turn up alive, because the scum would logically kill the person with the power, the biggest threat, nothing can stop them.

(WIFOM)

It just makes no sense for a scummer to go after the serum at this point in the game. They would have too much explaining without alot of excuses tomorrow. Everyone except the metalloids are vanilla!.

(This is the most sensible thing you've said to date.

I'm just going to point out to everyone that TE has an obvious bias in SOME direction, so take HIS analysis of the situation HE created, and his advice, with a grain of salt.

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Suspicious that Porkens said that to get the serum. I've got a list of players with the word Serum Candidates written above it. So far five players have been crossed off it.

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3. Assuming we choose someone to give the serum to every day via random die roll until the game ends.

The Upsides

- Statistically speaking, the chances are good a townie will get the serum multiple times.
- Supplements the town with abilities where they have none. Not counting the metalloids.
- Makes the game more interesting.
- The game is played how the mod intended.
- There is no chance of the scumfactor (the fact that there is a minority of players who can influence the town subtly) causing the serum to fall into the wrong hands by design.

The Downsides

- There is a chance that we might give the scum an ability, strengthening them when we dont need to. Also the game potentially gets alot more complicated, allowing for some room for trickery about roles, powers, abilities, and whatever.

And I think I listed three others, but I don't remember any of them being spectacular.

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Original Roll String: 1d12

1 12-Sided Dice: (11) = 11

Code: Select all

[dice]1d12[/dice]

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This whole business of """""""random""""""" (notice all the quotes) serum assignment is like communism (only works in theory).

You know this how?

I will not now, nor will I ever, vote for anyone in this game (including myself) to get powers.

That's fine and dandy, but if everyone else disagrees with your sentiment, do you plan to maintain that stance and refuse to help us?

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Are you seriously putting this forward as a scumtell?

I'm putting it forward as intentional. I thought of doing the same thing in the hopes that I'd get the reaction Spyrex gave from someone, but decided not to thinking it would be a little transparent. Apparently I was wrong if I'm the only one who thinks this.

Then again, I am a cripplingly paranoid genius so it stands to reason I do things the opposite way of everyone

sane

else.

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This whole business of """""""random""""""" (notice all the quotes) serum assignment is like communism (only works in theory).

You know

this

how?

Which part?

... Communism.

What do you think? I'm talking about plan 3. How do you "know" it won't work?

I will not now, nor will I ever, vote for anyone in this game (including myself) to get powers.

That's fine and dandy, but if everyone else disagrees with your sentiment, do you plan to maintain that stance and refuse to help us?

Yes.

That's anti-town.

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Wall-E what do you think about post #117?

Doesn't that just break the whole random thing?

Adding a downside to 1 and 3:

- If a metalloid does not receive the serum, it is very possible the scum can/will just kill the serum beneficiary the night a townie recieves it.

I really wish I knew how many metalloids there were in the game. (Not fishing. Really.)

Can't be helped. No matter what we do with the serum, the scum are going to know who got it. I'm willing to bet the mod compensated for this fact somehow. Probably a high number of metal townies? I have faith in Natirasha.

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@Wall-E

Answer my question please?

RELAX SON

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The more I consider this conundrum, the more I like the randomized recipient idea. I vote for

Plan 3

. Who's with me?

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I will not now, nor will I ever, vote for anyone in this game (including myself) to get powers.

That's anti-town.

I, obviously, don't think it is. I will do my best to prevent distribution of the Serum.

Can you give me a well-reasoned argument why I should agree to your plan? I am asking because if you give me reasons I can agree with I might change my vote for which plan I will follow.

I'm putting it forward as intentional. I thought of doing the same thing in the hopes that I'd get the reaction Spyrex gave from someone, but decided not to thinking it would be a little transparent. Apparently I was wrong if I'm the only one who thinks this.

You admit to considering intentionally decieving the town about your motives and opinions in order to get the Serum. And you admit it freely.

Do you wish to further interpret that SpyreX and I planned the exchange from the begining?

Either way, your interpretation of my action is wrong.

Your wording and timing leave me suspicious. That is all I'm saying. It was closely following Spyrex's statement of intent which hinted that he would assign the serum to people who did not necessarily try to gain it.

but i don't think the mod wouldn't have put it in there if it wasnt for power reasons, he must think we need it, so saying never i donthink is a good idea eitehr.

You say we are Mod's chosen people. You say we would be doing Mod's work. You say it's Mod's intent. What you forget is this: Mod is not on our side.

Both assertions are ridiculous. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. The term WIFOM sounds applicable to this scenario, in my opinion.

That said;

I dont mind people campaigning for the serum, whether it influences me one way or the other depends on the person

Me either, and I hope those of you that don't agree with me about not using the Serum DO argue why we should use is and who should get it.

I gave my own argument already. I expect the same from you on your position. Again, not an attack. I seek only enlightenment.

Mod: Thanks for clearing the air! See below:

It's interesting how the trinity of vote categories seems to divide the town's attention considerably, yet I feel we've gotten more done by page seven than in any other game I've played on this site. I've played games IRL and in chat format, and the major component of those games is trigger-quick thinking. This community adds a whole new layer of logic and careful data processing to the achievement of victory, but this game has felt quicker and more intense by far than any other I've played here. I think the culprit is the addition of two new goals for the players to achieve each day; it causes a psychological sense that more is being done in the same (mechanically) amount of time. Please don't post to comment only on this paragraph, folks!

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I'm not acting on plan 3 until I hear the upsides of the other plans from their supporters and more ppl have weighed in.

It's true the dice are truly random and can't be manipulated, so let's all roll some #s and use one at a time until we need new die. That would mean the next roll decides it, to prevent bias.

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Ok, you guys are way ahead of me.

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Original Roll String: 1d12

1 12-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

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Serum: Tuberculos

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I guess we're ok with this plan overall. I still might change my mind if provided proper logical reasons otherwise.

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Mycosynth: Gremwell

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Lynch: Timeater

Essentially my random vote, with the bonus of proving part of TE's claim and verifying his truthfulness partially should a lynch majority land on him. This is a fallback position for me.

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Are you saying the dice can be cheated or not, TM?

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The only way to know when it's time to drop the randomserum plan will be when ANY information becomes available. I'd say by the time the first roleclaim is made, or a very strong push by any player, to the point of all but claiming in order to get someone else lynched.

Just my thoughts.

Day ends with lynch. At twilight, a picosecond before the lynch, mycosynth concensus (if any) is resolved, and so is serum concensus. If no concensus is reached on mycosynth or serum, it's skipped, and nobody is mycosynthed or serumed. It's possible to achieve one concensus without the other, so we could agree who should get serum and not have enough votes for mycosynth. In that case, someone would get serum and nobody would get mycosynthed and then someone would die (or not, if metal), and then we go on to night.

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Gertainm isn't posting often enough on the rest of the site for me to say his lurking is malicious.

Do you have stats on Seraphim's "active lurking" to back your claim? I will vote along with you if you can prove it/reference how you know.

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Wifom, wifom, wifom, wifom and omgus.

Stop that, Timeater.

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Level three containment breach: Newbscum virus outbreak detected in sector 702. Sending in the armored flamethrower robots.

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Spyrex: I'm just wondering if you think Seraphim is posting

considerably

more elsewhere on the site, and that is what make him scummy, or if he's posting about one or two posts a week in every game he's in/thread he posts in?

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Seraphim: 10 posts on mafiascum.net since Nov. 1 when this game started. Of those, 1 was in this game, but all of them were skimpy posts.

I think your case is weak if you choose to pursue it as defined, Spyrex.

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I'm waiting with bated breath.

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EBWOP: Baited. And actually, I'm doing the opposite of that, since I think you're neutral.

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How is that an OMGUS? My reasons are totally legitimate for feeling the way I do about SpyreX. Just dismissing what I have to say and calling me a newbscum isn't helping either, Wall-E.

Let's see if anyone agrees with what I said. If anybody disagrees, I'll read their argument why I'm wrong and defend my claim.

Since, you know, you've done nothing to do so. I think it might be more WIFOM from you anyway, so color me unsurprised if you don't.

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I agree that I feel Timeater's case was OMGUSy.

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So you're for the plan as long as the recipient claims their power?

There's something off about that, but...

In light of the fact that it's public knowledge that the player DID receive a power, I think you may be right in this case. I'm going to throw support behind this suggestion.

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CF's right. I agree with the let's-not-lynch-TE-and-waste-the-lynch argument. Let's either mycosynth or ignore him for today.

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I would rather the serum be used and that assigning not be random. Giving the serum to inexperienced or uninvolved players is increasing the chances that it is not used optimally. For instance (using non-players), I as a cognitive being can understand why Mith should get a PR instead of Gimbo, assuming that I can't see any alignment differences between the two. A die cannot, and should not be in charge of making that selection.

You seem to be the Yin to Porkens' Yang on this issue. I think the middle ground has been my random serum plan. If you can convince me why we should listen to you on the serum's distribution, I'll join your cause.

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Seems suspicious is an awfully weird case.

I'm flesh, so be gentle when you lower me in that vat. I don't want to bruise a knee.

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I think it's likely 2 of 3 of the scum are metal. I have nothing to back this other than "guess the mod" metagaming. CF Riot put my thoughts on that into better words:

As far as I can tell, there are no side effects to throwing a non-metal player into the mycosynth. As such, I think a mycosynth majority should happen every day. There will be at least 1 metal scum, I'm sure of it.

I agree with this assertion wholeheartedly.

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I'm down to mycosynth me. It's a waste, but I've been quite vocal, so I can see the appeal of doing so.

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ortolan: What do you think is the best of the three plans outlined so far? Who do you think should get the serum?

Your post seemed to lack content. Please respond.

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I think we're still, at this stage, using the random serum approach. We can decide what to do if something new comes up, but for now I'm all for a random serum assignment.

ortolan: Did you see my point about Seraphim's postings throughout the site? I grant you your own point about the timing, but I think the timing was just bad.

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I disagree with the meritocracy and removing lurkers from our random serum pool.

Scum is an arguably more exciting role than vanilla townie. I think vanilla townies are more likely to lurk than scum for this reason.

The meritocracy idea leaves us open to manipulation by the informed minority, and the purpose of the random serum d1 is to test the waters while minimizing risk to the town. I think I'd like to see Illumina get the serum D1. I think it's interesting that the random serum plan only started getting shot down AFTER we'd decided on a target for the serum, so there's always that angle. All in all, I want us to random serum today and switch to a meritorcacy tomorrow when we have a better idea of what we're dealing with re: we'll have one person who got serum'd and can tell us just what exactly it does/how we can best use it properly.

So.

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EBWOP: meritorcacy/meritocracy

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EBWOP: Illumina/Tuberkulos (sp?)

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yeah i posted ebwop: illumina/tuberkulos, meaning i used the wrong word in my post and meant to say tuberkulos

sorry for the confusion

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I want to hear from: Tuberkulos, anyone who hasn't posted since day before yesterday (or longer), and a sexy redhead in a nurse outfit. I'll settle for two of the three.

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Also it is "bated breath"

Actually, these days it goes either way. You'd have been right a hundred years ago.

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Posts 239 and 240: Good posting.

It looks like we're randoming D1's serum. Time to move on, folks, the train is already late for the next stop (deadline town). ALL ABOARD!

Instead of FoSes, I'll be Mycosynthing. I have no strong suspicions yet, but I'm watching...

Unserum.

Serum: Tuberkulos

Unmycosynth.

Mycosynth: Porkens

for betting on Timeater's night demise. Seems almost Nostradamusian in his predictions.

Unvote.

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Bah, four days to deadline.

Vote: Porkens

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Spyrex just had a rather strong reaction to two votes on Porkens.

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Obviously, if we need to know what happened with the serum, we'll pressure the recipient into telling us, and otherwise, we won't! The first word in the first sentence in this post is me calling you, Illumina, clueless, but since I don't think you're actually this clueless, I think you're lurk/fluff posting.

It's helpful of you to fuel our triangle of bandwagons a bit, but all you've done is go along with the majority on the two least important wagons in the game.

Please vote before tomorrow, Illumina.

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I just had the thought that we should be using the mycosynth and lynch together when we don't have a reason not to.

Do we have a D1 lynch target yet? I don't think anyone's even built a case yet. I don't really want to lynch Porkens for the weak shit I voted him for.

Does ANYONE have ANYTHING to go on that I can get behind?

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Pretty sure the mod said we can't myco/lynch someone in the same day.

I wasn't able to find any such indication.

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I stand corrected. No idea how I read that paragraph twice and didn't process that information.

Nat: You need someone to break a kneecap? On the other shoe, I'm sure you could get someone on the site to smuggle you out of the country.

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The reason not to is if the person does get lynched, then your synth vote was basically useless. Synth doesn't resolve before lynch. What's the point of throwing a dead body into a pit? (Besides religious reasons.)

We've already resolved this issue.

I like my Seraphim vote. If you're all going to serum randomly, you don't need me to vote for it with you. I think giving useful powers to a useless (so far) player is a bad idea, myself. Let's all get those synth votes on Wall-E, who's quoted post up there is obviously trying to throw someone into the synth in his place. I apologize for hugeness. There was a lot to comment on.

This is complete bull. In the past, I've heard people tell a townie they should self-hammer if they are truly town to help the town gain information. Same deal applies here. You're advocating synthing me because I

don't

want to die.

FoS: CF Riot

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Wall-E: It's helpful of you to fuel our triangle of bandwagons a bit, but all you've done is go along with the majority on the two least important wagons in the game.

Illumina: I think the random allocation of serum makes sense for today. Are you suggesting that I should have created a "unique snowflake" plan of my own? Or that the random plan is a poor one?

Wall-E: I wanted more opinion from you. Thanks for providing. I also want you to vote for someone to lynch. I don't care if you have to stretch a tiny bit: We are getting close to deadline and we need a D1 lynch.

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Illumina said: True, but mycosynthing him allows us a safe way to test his flesh claim.

Wall-E said: No, it doesn't. It's a way of ensuring I'm flesh, but it tells you nothing about my truthfulness.

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Natirasha's parents are international spies. Last night, Nat borrowed their stealth copter and went on a joy ride. When he got home, his parents removed his neurochip that let him access the 'net with his brain, so now he has to break into the datavault (past the cybercloptic spiderbot guards) to check the internet in his subaquatic spy home.

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Who should we lynch, Timeater?

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I don't want to be synthed, I just don't have a problem being synthed. A vulnerable person is easier to listen to, because if they say something you don't like you can lynch them. I plan to vocally attack someone at some point in this game, and when I do I don't want the stigma of unkillability tainting the town's perception of my words.

I can't defend against "a bunch of Wall-E tells," so I'll just post to say, "Your mom."

Seraphim, as I've already pointed out, has posted one or two lines in each of about ten posts on the entire site. I refuse to accept anyone's assertion that Seraphim is actively lurking this thread based only on his/her site-wide meta. I have said this before, and your assertion to the contrary is noted as a sign you shouldn't be taken too seriously in the future in my book.

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When did anyone say anything about you dying? The synth won't kill you.

Same difference. Synthing is not a nice thing to have happen to a player, and asserting what you did was scummy. Don't play semantics with me or I'll get REAL nit picky and then everyone will hate us both.

I just happened to notice that at first you were all, "sure guys, I don't mind synth votes cause I'm fleshie anyways," and now you've turned into, "well, maybe we should synth the person we're going to lynch." It's extremely weak I'll admit, but the way I read that is you tried to claim flesh town to talk us out of synthing you, (as synthing a fleshie does nothing) and now that you're getting close to it actually happening you're trying to find an alternative. Ergo, steelscum.

Can't argue with any of that. It's all possible. I've already stated why I'm meh about being synthed.

Nice OMGUS though.

Ah, now you're reaching. It wasn't OMGUS. Read more carefully.

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Hey, woah, it's not worth you leaving the game, TE. I can be 'rude' (a hard thing to define; I call it 'honest') but I'll never use ad hom. in a serious manner, and I'm not nearly as grumpy as I sound. I sincerely apologize for any offense given, Timeater, and hope you'll stay in the game!

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extension yay hasdgfas is so handsome

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I prefer CF Riot.

Porkens seems more town, of the two.

I could be argued down from this position with some sweet talkin from ortolan.

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EBWOP: Sweet talkin by CF Riot. Or anyone, really. I just typoed in ortolan for CF Riot in the previous post in that third sentence, and wanted to correct it so as not to cause

rumors

confusion.

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concerning Tuberkulos, will he be replaced? he's posted twice, and if he will be replaced it should be done before the N1 to maximize effectiveness.

Yes, he is being replaced. I'm getting on that right now.

as for the pit, is throwing someone in there every day our best option, I know some scum are most likely steel, but we assure them a sure night kill every night by mycoing someone everyday, which will also open it up to questioning why people wern't killed after being thrown into the pit.

I guess what it boils down to is should we desteel someone everyday no matter what, or should we wait for enough suspicion?

and who are we lynching today?

CF Riot is right, but not for the reasons he's talking about. It's a bad idea not to mycosynth every day, in my opinion.

Right now, with no serum out there, the town has no vig roles. That means that our only weapon, the lynch, is only useful against a percentage of the town. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't like thinking the lynch might fail. It rubs my sensibilities wrong. It's creepy.

To me, the benefit of metal is outweighed by my fear of metal scum.

Just my opinion.

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Timeater's claim

I don't know why everyone keeps ignoring this. Assuming Timeater is telling the truth about his role, this _strongly_ implies that all other townies, or at least the majority, are fleshie. Thus they have nothing to lose by being put in the mycosynth.

I don't follow. How does his claim infer he's the only metal town?

Regarding synthing me, I suggest you do not. Wall-E is a much better choice. There is no sweet-talking. I am town, which is all you need to know to not synth me.

This does not follow... Why should we be more likely to think you are town than Wall-E, and even then why is thinking you're town enough reason not to synth you anymore than it is Wall-E?

Saw that. Why is my wincon somehow predicated upon yours, CF Riot?

[Wall-E]

unvote

[Wall-E]

I have set a precident of unseruming and unmycosynthing. Yes, it was an un

vote

.

That's twice you've displayed abject interest in what I'm doing.

Do you have something you'd like to ask me, geraintm?

[Wall-E]

Vote: geraintm

[Wall-E]

I don't really like the implication that you're being carefree with the mycosynth vote.

[Wall-E]

I am not for it. I am ambivalent. I guess I should say I'm against it, since I am for using it on someone to make sure it's used, and I am flesh, so I don't want it to be me.

I misspoke earlier when I said I was ambivalent.

[Wall-E]

We absolutely must achieve a majority on myco and serum each day BEFORE the lynch. I don't think anyone can argue effectively otherwise.

[Wall-E]

When I said I misspoke, I was referring to the inconsistency you just pointed out.

Earlier I did jump someone's stuff like a rabid doberman for saying I should be ok with being synthed. It's never ok to be ok with being synthed, imo.

This is me officially taking back my previous statement.

[Wall-E]

CF Riot: Can I get a response from you on post 307?

[Wall-E]

Nothing would happen. We'll get no information for mycosynthing anyone.

geraintm: I dislike the cut of your jib.

[Wall-E]

I understand. I used a claim to try to get out of the 'lynch' of mycosynth. I hadn't really thought of things in those terms at the time. It must have been jumpy-looking? So I must assume.

Hey, this is my first time ever being right. Hear this:

It felt wrong for that 'lynch' to be wasted, because at the time, there was conjecture as to whether there were indeed any metal town at all. I worried the setup might require a myco-lynch combo to kill mafia in the lategame if we failed to myco once too many times.

Is that scummy?

I leave the conclusion unspoken.

I have since become more educated.

So, for me, tomorrow, I will vote to serum innocents. I will vote to mycosynth scumbags.

[Wall-E]

So we're all in agreement. That's boring.

Mod: Hypothetical situation. We mycosynth Batman. Will you tell us whether or not Batman was steel at all, or is the mycosynth more of a guarantee that player is flesh, but we still gotta use it to be sure, and we'll never prove they were metal or flesh beforehand?

I already answered this question in post 326, but I'll answer it again. You get no knowledge of what they were before they went in, but they'll definitely be flesh coming out.

[Wall-E]

There has got to be a better way to phrase that.

[Wall-E]

That's what I was thinking, but I'll wait to hear from the mod rather than suppose.

[Wall-E]

TE's not seeing the game from that perspective, CF Riot. In his town mind, he's steel and wants to believe claiming matters, and in his scum mind he's pushing an agenda. Either way, you won't convince him without some proof, I think.

I think you're right about him being innocent-until-proven-guilty while you seem to be more guilty-until-proven-innocent. Personally, I'm the former type of player as well. The way I see it, the majority of players are town, so I start them off at about 15% scummy in my mind and jack them up or down from that standpoint.

But ce'st la vie.

[Wall-E]

We still don't know either way. Let's let the Mod tell us.

[Wall-E]

"Because I'm town" is never a good reason, Porkens, and your counter attack is unrelated to your vote on me and is OMGUS.

[Wall-E]

Timeater's claim

I don't know why everyone keeps ignoring this. Assuming Timeater is telling the truth about his role, this _strongly_ implies that all other townies, or at least the majority, are fleshie. Thus they have nothing to lose by being put in the mycosynth.

I don't follow. How does his claim infer he's the only metal town?

Regarding synthing me, I suggest you do not. Wall-E is a much better choice. There is no sweet-talking. I am town, which is all you need to know to not synth me.

This does not follow... Why should we be more likely to think you are town than Wall-E, and even then why is thinking you're town enough reason not to synth you anymore than it is Wall-E?

Saw that.

Why is my wincon somehow predicated upon yours, CF Riot?

You said recently the answer/response was in this post:

However, I think I see what he is saying about declairing night actions after getting the serum.

I don't know if you misunderstood or simply misspoke. Maybe I'm just reading your post other than you meant it. No one should declare their night actions before they do them. It was debated whether or not they should declare night

results

, which I am against but is more plausible.
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Also, ortolan's logic about who to synth is terrible. You don't want to synth a claimed steel or a claimed flesh, which leads to the question, who do you want to synth? You say the choice is people who haven't claimed, but this seems to advocate everyone claiming their steel/flesh status, which I would argue against. At some point, you have to throw someone in regardless of what they told you they are.

What I meant was they have both made claims and I at this point have no good reasons for doubting either of them. I think if we can get a bandwagon going to synth a different player who then can simply claim metal/flesh then we might have something else to go on.

You have no good reason to doubt anyone that claims either on D1. No matter who you bandwagon or whether they claim steel or flesh, you have equal reason to doubt/believe all of them. Simply wagoning everyone one at a time as they claim would be stupid. Taking it to the 3rd in line is no more logical than going all the way to the end.

coming from the idea that you

believe

that they are metal, there's no point in confirming that they are, especially by wasting a lynch.

This falls into the same category as wanting to synth Wall-E. Do you have any good reason to believe he is scum, and lying about being flesh? If not, why do you advocate wasting a mycosynth on him?

This is not the same in any way. Lynching someone you believe is metal will send the game to night for the scum to kill, while giving the town no information about that persons alignment. If we myco Wall-E, or anyone, we

know

they are now flesh. Whether or not they were before is irrelevant. I do not

believe

Wall-E is flesh like the other people were believing TE was steel. These two situations are only vaguely similar, and I believe my position is perfectly logical.

Regarding synthing me, I suggest you do not. Wall-E is a much better choice. There is no sweet-talking. I am town, which is all you need to know to not synth me.

This does not follow... Why should we be more likely to think you are town than Wall-E,

You shouldn't. You have equally as much reason to believe him as me.

and even then why is thinking you're town enough reason not to synth you anymore than it is Wall-E?

I do not think Wall-E is town. I know that I am. Also, Wall-E said he was okay with being synthed. I am not.

it seems to me, that assuming Wall-E and Timeater are telling the truth about their roles (which obviously is a big assumption),

This

is

a big assumption. Too big at this point. The rest of what you said doesn't matter to me because I do

not

believe Wall-E's flesh claim with no backing.

I think I should also defend Seraphim at this point. Porkens, in the above post, seems to be arguing we should lynch Seraphim because he wants to "waste the synth on Wall-E". However this is exactly the same thing that CF Riot.

Defending Sera on these grounds is defending him because Porkens is not attacking me. Whether or not Porkens is attacking me has nothing to do with Sera's alignment unless you think Porkens is my scum buddy.
----

why you picking on wall-e?

I feel like it. He seemed like a good avenue to pursue upon replacing in. Also, I don't know what my quote has to do with what you said about me. (Post 309)
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TE's post 322 is exactly why I want to Myco Wall-E.

Can you show me what exactly addresses my question?

[Wall-E]

Brown noser. Your push to change the target mere days before deadline is alarming. I admire your balls.

[Wall-E]

What if it metals him?

The thought occured to me when I first read the setup.

[Wall-E]

FoS: Spyrex, CF Riot

[Wall-E]

Unvote: Vote: Spyrex

You've made several logical mistakes in post 418:

I really shouldn't have to explain it. Its pretty obvious. The facts are this: We, the town, decided that the best way to handle the serum would be to randomize the process, and anyone trying to tinker with the results after the fact would be considered scum. You and SpyreX made the fatal mistake of doing just that. I dont know exactly what you were thinking, but my best guess is, as I have said, you both thought you could use Tuber-inactive thing to your advantage to get a quick foothold on serum usage, perhaps for a few days (you could easily cook up something to make people keep giving SpyreX the serum). You could porbably also use the serum to confirm each other in fashion. Those few days could make or break the game and the scum would know this. You risked going after the serum at such a late date in hopes pork barreling a new serum majority.

Would you like to show me this mystical we, the town business. Where was a true consensus drawn? I'd really, really like to see it.

I'll raise you one. I am not a metal. I can be hung today. If you're so sure about your "gambit" - hang me and offer yourself up for the lynch. If I'm scum, well, then your awesome abilities nailed two. When I flip town, they can hang you tomorrow and I double win.

So, you that sure of yourself?

CFR has been playing a very pro-town game. The only one who, at this point, I'd think was more town is, in fact, Porkens.

I still have every reason to believe that you are scum metal. every bit of it (this whole "we the town" business, the emo, the coming out, etc) would in fact actually be a good scum maneuver - you've got a lot of upside and even if you're called on it there is no direct link to your partners (3) ....versus what you're insinuating we're doing.

So, you're that sure, buck up. You'll be dead tomorrow and thats a win for me.

1) Assuring the town that you are flesh and therefore deserve the serum is identical to me doing so.

2) The majority of the town assured you AFTER you stated your intent to vote the serum to the most "pro-town" (which, typically, day 1, is easy to scumfake) player that choosing to break the randomized selection plan would be considered a scumtell. The reasons were also stated at that time, but I'll outline them here: Day one is always hard to lynch on. Most times we get a townie. For something as game-influencing as the acquisition of a power we would determine the recipient randomly, to prevent the scum from gaining power night one as much as mathematically possible.

3) You're saying Timeater is too innocent to be town. For scumhunting.

I swear to you, that is what you said there. Read it twice. Also, nobody's insinuating squat. We're flat out saying; "Do not go against the randomness D1."

All that said, I think there is room here for negotiation, but I don't want to hear you call an attack upon you for fighting the random serum unfair or uncalled-for. You made your ultimatum, several others made theirs.

Just my thoughts, grain of salt etc. sorry for the harsh language earlier.

[Wall-E]

I made a small mistake in what I said: Lynch me and offer yourself up for the

synth

today.

As for the other bits, since well, its apparently really hard.

I have said: I think you are scum metal. I've said that from the beginning. On top of your gambit (which would benefit the scum greatly if it worked with minimal risk to the team as a whole) your play has been sub-par and had scumtells: the whole "we, the town", the "/emo", etc.

You have said: CFR AND I are scum because we went against the "consensus of the town" (Which I have asked you to show me and you have not). This would be outing two scum on day 1 for minimal gain, but hey, god forbid we letting strategies that win get in the way.

So, I offered you thus. If you are so sure we are scum, why not lynch me? If I turn up town you've got that proof you need to hunt CFR. However, when I turn up town then you should be swung up so fast it makes your head spin.

WITH THAT SAID:

You just aren't making any sense. You seem desperate.

I'm not desperate. Again, this is one of the many things you're doing that makes me think you're scum all the more. I am totally fine for a 1-1 trade considering the fact that I firmly believe you're scum.

You should have known better to try to undermine the randomization process if you were townie. You really should have. You can attack me all you want, thats fine, but know you have no real defense concerning your attempt to undermine the random serum process.

Again, we've covered the reasons why I opted to change it (notice I said if the serum wasn't moved I would put my vote back on Tuber). We've covered why, based on the rules laid out, I chose the approach of the Razor versus praying for Mod fiat.

You, however, have not even shown me (although I agreed to it) this mystical magna carta where it was said that disagreement with this plan = outing yourself as scum. I'd really like to see it.

But, hey, guess what? Ultimately I don't care all that much. I see Wall-E has shifted his vote, Sera will. Thats almost enough to lynch me.

Get on it fellas.

I'll give a different post for Wall-E's comments.

1) Assuring the town that you are flesh and therefore deserve the serum is identical to me doing so.

2) The majority of the town assured you AFTER you stated your intent to vote the serum to the most "pro-town" (which, typically, day 1, is easy to scumfake) player that choosing to break the randomized selection plan would be considered a scumtell. The reasons were also stated at that time, but I'll outline them here: Day one is always hard to lynch on. Most times we get a townie. For something as game-influencing as the acquisition of a power we would determine the recipient randomly, to prevent the scum from gaining power night one as much as mathematically possible.

3) You're saying Timeater is too innocent to be town. For scumhunting.

I swear to you, that is what you said there. Read it twice. Also, nobody's insinuating squat. We're flat out saying; "Do not go against the randomness D1."

All that said, I think there is room here for negotiation, but I don't want to hear you call an attack upon you for fighting the random serum unfair or uncalled-for. You made your ultimatum, several others made theirs.

1.) I was assuring the town I was flesh so I could be A LYNCH, not the serum.

2.) See my whole giving it to someone not playing = bad for the town. See my serum now after the mod confirmed what was going on.

3.) What? I'm saying that Time is scum. I've been saying that. I'm saying he attempted to get the serum off the bat with "trust me guys". As for scumhunting - he said that two scum outed themselves early day 1 in such a fashion that the connection will always be there... really? Not to mention the other business.

But hey, whateva works.

Just look back a bit when you get this lynch.

Porkens - Town.
CFR - Town
You - Probably Town.

Time - Scum
Sera - Lurker Scum.

...well, Sprye...I don't find you incredibly scummy. The irony is that, reading through all this, is that I find Wall-E to be the scummiest. In fact, the fact that he's been following along with me to be very odd. Besides that, I can't explain exactly why he feels off to me. However, I am mycosynthing him. So, I can't lynch him as well.

I also notice the fact that I'm the closest to being lynched. Does anyone want a roleclaim from me before I retire just in case I become the deadline lynch?

SpyreX seems to be throwing in the towel. That's enough to convince me to hop off the proverbial fence.

Confirm Vote: SpyreX

Wall-E, what do you mean "negotiation"?

I mean that conversation on the issue of whether SpyreX is scum or not on the basis of him not following the random plan should continue, as I feel there may be more that has to be said.

Wall-E edit: I find myself agreeing with Timeater's last post 200%.

[Wall-E]

It was just a confirm, so no need to color. The mod doesn't care about confirm votes in this setup I don't think. He's got enough to keep track of already.

[Wall-E]

So because Ort asked everyone if they were willing to switch with him before he actually did it, that makes it okay? Do you not see what's going on here? I've been against random serum all day and have acted on it. Two other people were pro-randoming, then tried to change where the dice fell after the fact. I don't see how that makes me scummier than them.

Nobody messed with the die rolls. They were evolved as a process and the process had zero flaws with execution. Read again if you don't believe me.

[Wall-E]

I'm all for calling SpyreX's possible gambit on this one.

Vote: SpyreX

I think having asked to be lynched and what he said in post 418 we can't really let him live. He's claimed to be flesh- if he doesn't die we've got ourselves a scum, if he does die then what he flips will give the town a great deal of information

What information?

I also, however, agree with him about mycoing Timeater. I think it's too big a gamble for town to leave Timeater as claimed steel having lynched SpyreX.

Myco: Timeater

Yeah, let's do it. Let's turn the whole town flesh that can burn and hang and die.

Unmycosynth: Mycosynth: Timeater

I might still be argued off this wagon given a good enough reason.

That said, I don't like how Seraphim has come back having been inactive and merely made a "please state your arguments against me post", then quite passively suggested maybe he should claim. He has still barely posted anything of content. This is in fact the main reason for the potential lynch on him. It's possible he's just a lurky town player but it also seems a fairly viable mafia strategy to play the way he has.

That said MafiaSSK getting the serum seems a reasonable result to me so far.

Agreed.

[Wall-E]

I think Spy and TE are just pissing eachother off, honestly. If one of them were scum, I'd say it was TE because, for me, TE's unrequested claim still comes off as a scum move.

Then you must agree Spyrex claiming flesh is equally scummy.

Spy, you participated in the random serum idea originally, didn't you? I mean; no, there wasn't a majority consensus, but you can't distance yourself from the process completely now can you?

Agreeing with the implied sentiment that Spyrex's participation and turning-against the random plan is suspicious.

So Spy says he wants us to lynch him and synth TE. TE should be just fine with this if he believes Spy is scum. The fact that he isn't ALL OVER this idea is a tell in and of itself.

I disagree. This is the second time you've tried to convince someone they should be ok with dying or being otherwise inconvenienced (by, for example, losing metal status). I present to the town that it is scummy to say what Porkens is saying.

I will explain why if asked, but try to figure it out on your own.

[Wall-E]

Why should I be fine with the town losing its only metalloid? D1 no less?

Why is that ok?

When SpyreX self-votes sure, I'll jump on the wagon.

Rolefishing?

[Wall-E]

Nobody messed with the die rolls. They were evolved as a process and the process had zero flaws with execution.

That's not what I'm talking about. Ort was pro-random, then said we should reroll because Tuber was inactive. Illumina did the same.

I didn't say I don't consider them scummy.

Why does all of post 458 sound like you're against the gambit, yet you're going along with it?

What gambit? I'm for mycosynthing Timeater. I never agreed to any gambit.

460, what about that is rolefishing? I don't understand anything you're saying.

He said "I'm the only town metal."

How does Timeater know he's the only town metal?

What benefit does he gain from saying this? I think a clear line is crossed here. He's trying to see if anyone will say "No! I'm metal, too!"

Please stop double, triple, and quadruple posting.

Do you need a Crylenol, smelly face?

[Wall-E]

But I'll hang you too if that's what needs to happen. And, hell, when you flip town I'll be 10000% cleared and probably a cop, so...that's good for me too!

How will anyone flipping anything confirm anyone town or scum?

[Wall-E]

ITT the fact that nobody is defending Timeater is a scumtell on him.

Unsynth

until this point has a chance to be discussed more.

[Wall-E]

Ah, I see that now.

[Wall-E]

Nobody's stepping forward to gain town-cred by defending Timeater. At least one scum would be saying, "I believe Timeater and think we should not synth him" if he were town. At least, that's the working theory. Nobody has, so he's actually scum.

It's possible the other scum are busing him for the synth consensus.

[Wall-E]

To be clear: Why do you want to be lynched, SpyreX?

[Wall-E]

In my mind TE's synthing is not a factor in your lynch. The only reason I'm lynching you is your request to be lynched. The only reason I'm synthing Timeater is because I want as many people synthed as possible.

Do you see now why you're infuriating me, SpyreX?

[Wall-E]

They fight.

And fight.

They fight and fight and fight!

They fight fight fight, fight fight fight, the SpyreX and TE shooow!

[Wall-E]

Too scummy to be scum.

[Wall-E]

I said you seemed town.

That does little to negate the scummyness of asking for the serum and claiming metal.

I hope you realize the difference, TE.

[Wall-E]

This fight is bordering on inanity. More carefully thought-out posts from all parties, please.

This looks from here like it might be some hot town on town action.

Please, continue. *eats popcorn*

[Wall-E]

unvote

unmycosynth

serum: MafiaSSK

I don't trust any of you anymore. MafiaSSK is getting my serum vote. Porkens keeps popping in with clever one-liners, finding things to say that characterize the rest of us as morons (and I'm starting to suspect he's right about some of you) like "LOL nobody lynch until the synth is determined!"

There is no way Spyrex and TE are scumbuddies. I'm calling that right now.

[Wall-E]

Spyrex is trying awfully hard to convince people he's town.

[Wall-E]

Ostensibly, yes. You jumped in after 555 to make a post that was both A) unrelated to the previous one and B) repetetive to the point of causing me to grow agitated. You're looking for excuses to push an agenda, and I don't think it's on the level.

[Wall-E]

TE, I am faced with the following problems:

1) You claimed with no pressure and a less-than-savory excuse.

2) I believe, from only the context and tone of your posts, you're 100% town.

3) I'm not willing to gamble on context and tone. Problem 1 outweighs problem 3.

You're neutral in my book at the very best given those three, and a neutral player is potentially the enemy, so I'm voting to synth you. There's nothing else I can do, I have to follow the path of least potential destruction rather than highest potential gain.

mycosynth: Timeater

[Wall-E]

1) You claimed with no pressure and a less-than-savory excuse.

1. I claimed, believe it or not, because I thought it was the best thing to do. I did not know how the town would react to my claim. If that was a monumental mistake, so be it.

So you agree that it's possible you made a mistake. Good. Now on to the rest of this trashy, pleading and frankly insulting post:

From now I will just lurk when town oppurtunity knocks. Lurking solves everything.

No. The opposite of being stupid is not to be absent. Thanks for wasting my time with this little tidbit... I'm going to take you a bit less seriously in the future.

Contrawise, I recommend you do the opposite with me. You clearly aren't reading my posts carefully, as evidenced by this:

2) I believe,

from only

the context and tone of your posts, you're 100% town.

2. So you are just ignoring my above post and the points I have made in it? Nice. What is 100% town? Its either I'm town or I'm scum. Which is it? There is no middle ground. Nat was very clear about the layout, he made no mention of an SK. Only vanilla townies, mafia, and metalloids. What about all the good stuff I have down for the town? Like sit down and try to discuss logically what the best route of action concerning the serum would be, weighing benefits and disadvantages? Why would a scummer bother doing that? I could go on and on and on about shit I've done this game that has been pro-town. Do I have to make my own megapost?

On the issue of 100% town: Reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your suit, so I'm going to point to the bolded words in my quote and ask you what part of speech they are and how they relate to the 100% bit. If you answer that question, I'll answer your ...questions? I don't even see anything non-rhetoric in there, but if you do as I ask I'll answer each one truthfully and honestly.

3) I'm not willing to gamble on context and tone. Problem 1 outweighs problem

2

.

Fixed for an obvious typo.

3. This makes no sense. If you do not want to gamble, that is fine. Myco me d3 if you must. All I am asking is time for the serum beneficiary (who will be random) to possibly check me out in the mean time. I'd also like to say that 2 basically contradicts 1. If you believed everything I had said by the tone of my posts, you would believe me about what I have said about the claim. You're being very fence-sitty.

Yep. I am sitting on this fence. In fact, I am standing on it, looking out at a bunch of people fighting in the mud, and before I leap down on someone with all the force and rage of a townie who's been forced

by bad play on the part of certain townies to SIT on said fence until the middle of gorram DAY #$@#@% ONE

, you'd better believe someone's going to need a new set of teeth.[/quote]

[Wall-E]

You're being very fence-sitty.

This I whole-heartedly agree to.

A little omgusy to start sniping me now... I'm suspicious of you, Porkens, and I think you've caught on to that. Can you show me an example of me sitting on a fence?

[Wall-E]

And what fence lines am I sitting between in my own example which you've parroted back like scum?

[Wall-E]

The nastyness was me making sure nobody thinks I'm slacking off...

...ok, honestly, I'm just stirring the pot.

TE: It's not fun when you get all sad and defeatist like that. I was hoping for some fire!

Instead you give me "Meh."

Meh is very bad for your win, so I'll avoid being nasty to you (and anyone else who doesn't care for it) in the future, but that's a scumtell in my book... your first, actually.

[Wall-E]

I realized that about you as soon as you responded, so if you see my promise not to treat you thusly in the future as backpedaling I'll have to reply that it was simply MY way of doing things. Better to ask forgiveness than permission is a motto of mine. Another is "do no harm."

Let's leave this issue alone then. Anyone else who doesn't want to get flamed: I'll try to remember not to do it to you if you say something, but no promises. Ah do likes mah whiskey, sah!

[Wall-E]

You're going to synth me over claimed metal? Yeesh.

[Wall-E]

Doing weird things is a scumtell.

First, you offered to trade yourself for TE's synthing. Weird. Now you're pushing to get the random serum reassigned. Weird X2. Making a fully detailed scum/town list is scummy X3.

[Wall-E]

That's just the thing, you aren't giving a 1-1. I don't know how to define what you're doing. If you're town, you are REALLY sure TE is scum, and that's stupid!

[Wall-E]

I don't think this counts, CF. As I read the rules, only those who arean't voting may cast a vote at this point.

I see zero indication of this. All the mod said is that we can't vote outside the tied players pool. That means we have to synth me or TE and vote ort or SpyreX, no option.

[Wall-E]

Synth: Timeater

to ensure the synth gets used.

I will Vote: SpyreX when we have a synth majority.

[Wall-E]

The _only_ reason I'm synthing Wall again is because I'd rather synth someone than no one. I'd much rather it be TE.

Then why aren't you even bothering to TRY to synth TE? You're walking willingly toward something and loudly shouting about how you're being forced.

I would really REALLY rather lynch Ort than Spyre, but if for some reason Spyre dying means people will listen to the townies instead of the scum then it's still better than no-lynch today and going through the whole thing again tomorrow minus one lurker.

What? How do you know who the scum are? Isn't it a bit odd to you that a supposed townie had to resort to self-sacrifice to push his agenda?

TE, I hope you know that your whole, "It's okay, I'm offering to be synthed D3" thing is bogus, and I (and I hope the town) see through it. In a 12 player game with 3 scum, assuming no blocks/protects/whatev we only get 3 mislynches. Synthing you D3 means we can't lynch you till D4, which is too late assuming worst case scenario.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'm willing to bet TE hadn't thought it possible we'd mislynch thrice, but it's a good point.

[Wall-E]

That goes along with my whole "If there are two scum metals we're boned" theory.

If I can change my votes to make sure its used, fine. I dont think I can though.

Put your money where your mouth is and TRY it. This loud bemoaning whilst failing to at least try is SCUMMY AS F#$#

[Wall-E]

Whee!

First time being NK'd N1. I feel complimented!

Go town!

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Yeah! Go town! Good job CFR.

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Dude, I made a TON of posts in this game. I think this was my most enjoyable game on mafiascum to-date.

I enjoyed it so much, I couldn't wait for the end game to comment. Here's what I said:

It's interesting how the trinity of vote categories seems to divide the town's attention considerably, yet I feel we've gotten more done by page seven than in any other game I've played on this site. I've played games IRL and in chat format, and the major component of those games is trigger-quick thinking. This community adds a whole new layer of logic and careful data processing to the achievement of victory, but this game has felt quicker and more intense by far than any other I've played here. I think the culprit is the addition of two new goals for the players to achieve each day; it causes a psychological sense that more is being done in the same (mechanically) amount of time. Please don't post to comment only on this paragraph, folks!