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Enough foolishness from me.
Here's what I suggest.
We each pick a person that we would kill if elected executioner. Once we have everyone covered (everyone's got somebody that would kill them), then we play like a regular mafia game. Instead of voting for the person we want to lynch, we vote for the executioner who would kill that person.
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I did not suggest a random lynch at all. I suggested that we play it like a normal mafia game, with a slight change in mechanics.ShadowGirl wrote:But then it's basically a random lynch?
No, we don't at this exact moment, but we will by the end of D1.ShadowGirl wrote:We don't have really any reason to validly kill anyone at this point.-
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The person who is most town =/= the person who has the most in-tune scumdarsekinj wrote:
Well, the logical would be to just pick the person who seems the most town...Caboose wrote:
What do you suggest, then?sekinj wrote:I'm not sure that I agree with trying to defeat the "theme" part of the game...-
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Huh? I make the suggestion that we basically turn this into a regular game of mafia. The scum are going to try to get elected executioner anyway, so I don't see why my suggestion is scummy.Knight of Cydonia wrote:I refuse to state who I would kill, because as soon as the scum know who each of us would kill, they can and more than likely will attempt to steer lynches onto town players who would kill town.
Vote Caboosefor suggesting it.
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Yes they do. It's like giving them two nightkills.Knight of Cydonia wrote:Scum won't want to be elected executioner, necessarily -
Then, the scum are leaving a lot up to chance. They are just hoping that the pro-town executioner they choose won't kill them or their scumbuddies.Knight of Cydonia wrote:it'd be wiser to push a lynch on a pro-town player who would kill another pro-town.
Not a bad idea at all. Scum can push for a lynch of a pro-town player anyway in a normal game. And if people already tell who they are going to kill, then we're shifting the power from the executioner to the town, which I think is going to work for us in the end.Knight wrote:That is why saying who you'd kill if selected is a bad idea - scum can push for a lynch that will give them a double kill of town.
Any proof? Any reason to support your answer? How is my suggestion anti-town? And you know that you are voting for me for executioner, right?Knight wrote:My vote stays-
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I'm sorry, maybe I don't understand the rules. Someone please explain them to me.
You refuse to answer my questions, or try to counter my points. Your points are weak, you don't follow them up, and you dodge questions about them. Does anyone else besides me find that scummy?Yes. I'd rather see 1 scum and 1 town die, than 2 town and then the NK.-
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I don't get this part, could someone please explain that to me.Max wrote:MUAHAHAHAHAHA
YOU HAVE TO ELECT THE EXECUTIONER
"I see you have found your way to the arena", says the voice over
"The rules are simple, each player has a vote, vote for the person who you wish to determine the dead person, unfortunately on the chopping board there is a gun, with a single bullet, upon the person being chosen to die another will be shot."
You start murmuring amongst yourselves, and realise that its a dilemma lynch scum and town certainly dies, lynch town and town certainly dies.After a while you remember you have to play the game, so Pronto
That's exactly why we should follow my suggestion. If we just elect the person who seems "most pro-town" then we concentrate all that power into one person who we don't know to be scum or town. If we bind everyone to a target, we diffuse the power to the majority.SG wrote:I don't think would partial to getting elected or whether the person they choose kills another pro-town: it still ends up in the same outcome for them.Well, the executioner does still have their right to kill whomever they wish.
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Oh, so once someone is executed, they get to use a vig kill/scum extra kill?RestFermata wrote:Upon reading the rules, I got the impression that we vote for whom we want to lynch, but the lynched person gets to kill one other before they go down. You guys all seem to be interpreting it differently, so maybe I'm wrong. But that's how I read it.-
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If I have that right, I certainly think we should vote for the scummiest.
So, let me get this straight. You view my non-scummy action as a scumtell, label me as scum for it, fail to rebut any of my points, dodge my questions, and then act like you know my alignment for certain?Knight of Cydonia wrote:Yes. I'd rather see 1 scum and 1 town die, than 2 town and then the NK.
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Wait, I misread that. I think we choose the executioner who kills someone. Then the player that dies get a kill. In that case"I see you have found your way to the arena", says the voice over
"The rules are simple, each player has a vote, vote for the person who you wish to determine the dead person, unfortunately on the chopping board there is a gun, with a single bullet, upon the person being chosen to die another will be shot."Unvote.
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You're still dodging my questions! For that matter, everyone is dodging that. Setup discussion should be saved for later, time to scumhunt.Knight of Cydonia wrote:I don't like it, but clearly the town has decided.
unvote, because I have no intention of getting revenge-killed by scum.
What kind of power do you think that we're giving the scum that they wouldn't normally have by doing what sekinj has suggested? I don't understand your argument.Knights wrote:Scum will aready be steering the lynch, so why give them even more information to base their decision on?-
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And if we don't do what sekinj and I suggest,Knights wrote:In this game, if people do what sekinj and caboose have been suggesting, the scum could theoretically make someone an executioner who wants to kill a pro-town player who had said they would revenge-kill another pro-town player.scum can still do that. We're just making an organized system.I fail to see how that makes me scummy.
They could do that even if we don't follow sekinj's system. We want organization and good communication. I don't see how you are opposed to this and how you'reKnights wrote:If people follow sekinj and Caboose' advice to announce who they would kill if given the chance, scum could theoretically engineeer a double town kill.trying to frame me as anti-town because of this.
Knights wrote:I'm only repeating myself because you idiots aren't listening.You're still dodging my questions and my points from last page.You're the only one not listening.-
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It's OK, bad mood does not mix with mafia.Knight of Cydonia wrote:I'm cranky, on the downswing of the MDD curve, and I haven't slept for 3 days. I'm probably a tad antagonistic right now.
I think that the former gives more power to the executioner while the latter gives more power to the majority.Knight wrote:I'd even prefer a random election than giving someone power just because they say they'll pick so-and-so-
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I don't think Empking is scummy at all, his suggestion makes sense to me. He thinks that I'm scummy (I don't know why) but if I turn up town (which I will) then he puts reasonable trust in scumdar to be able to vengeful kill actual scum. He made a mistake in the mechanics and he voted for me. He should have voted for the person who would kill me.-
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KoC wrote:Vote: Mana_Ku, as she seems to be the only person here with two working eyes and some brain cells left dedicated to reading comprehension.FoS: KoC
For using an ad hom argument, which I personally take exception to.
FoS: Mana Ku
For labelling my idea WIFOM when it is clearly not. She also labelled Letsbefriends as WIFOM when s/he is clearly not.-
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I didn't propose that system to look pro-town, I did it to make an organized system.Mana_Ku wrote:Mana wrote:I won't vote Caboose, that's a given.By suggesting that idea, it seems as if he's pro-town. I saw a game at the marathon day, where someone who also suggested an idea was the bad guy. This is a clear case of WIFOM.
See here why i believe proposing this idea is WIFOM. This is why it's not WIFOM to agree with it.
State every idea you want. It's good for town as it leads to discussion. However, there are ideas which i won't agree with or which I don't trust. Just like now.
Also, why don't you want to be the executioner?
x2 FoS: Mana Ku
For again, labelling my idea WIFOM when it clearly is not.
I'm interested in hearing KoC's response to my FoS. I'd also like to see his explanation for why he used an ad hom argument.-
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OK, I didn't create the "WIFOM." You and Mana Ku did, in your minds. I don't know why I have to be held accountable for that. I did an action, and you can interpret it any way you want, but don't twist what I did into WIFOM when your interpretation of what I did is really WIFOM.ShadowGirl wrote:Can't remember whose question it is, but it was something along the lines of why sekinj's idea is not WIFOM [in relation to alignment], while Caboose's is.
The scum can steer the lynch with sekinj's suggestion too, or any system for that matter. I did nothing scummy. SG, Mana, and KoC are all inventing attacks on me, and I'm surprised that no one has caught on to that yet.SG wrote:Caboose's idea can lead to scum steering the lynch, while sekinj's gives town more information as everyone is needed to participate, which I think is more indicative of a townie mind-
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Enough mechanics. Scumhunting time. Now!
KoC wrote:Vote: Mana_Ku, as she seems to be the only person here with two working eyes and some brain cells left dedicated to reading comprehension.FoS: KoC
For using an ad hom argument, which I personally take exception to.
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Why are you suggesting your own lynch? I really don't like that because I can't think of a situation where a pro-town role would want their own lynch. I think you're just trying to create confusion. I suggest the vengeful kill to be used on KoC if OP comes up town.Knight of Cydonia wrote:Lynch: me ; shoot OP-
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OK.Farside wrote:I read through most of day one. Some interesting things about who to elect and who to kill. I agreed with the top two people as the execution. Both sek and caboose had some good ideas. I think KOC's attack on caboose was weak.
What's your point?Farside wrote:Umm there should be only 3 mafia they don't rule the game the town does. that is why the idea is poor.
No, it does not. Did you not read, or did you not understand what I suggested? I just suggested that we all play a regular game of mafia with slightly different mechanics. How does that favor the mafia at all?Farside wrote:I agree that caboose idea seems more in favor with mafia then town.-
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What we have here is a failure to communicate.farside22 wrote:
Just so you know I see something and make a commetn about it and continue reading and make points. It the best way I know to read a game that I just replaced in. However sek did have the better idea. I'm not saying it was scummy. I'm just saying that sek's idea was better for the town and yours wasn't. Trying to say scum have an advantage is wrong. Scum should be 3 player to town's 9 players. Town has the advantage.Caboose wrote:
OK.Farside wrote:I read through most of day one. Some interesting things about who to elect and who to kill. I agreed with the top two people as the execution. Both sek and caboose had some good ideas. I think KOC's attack on caboose was weak.
What's your point?Farside wrote:Umm there should be only 3 mafia they don't rule the game the town does. that is why the idea is poor.
No, it does not. Did you not read, or did you not understand what I suggested? I just suggested that we all play a regular game of mafia with slightly different mechanics. How does that favor the mafia at all?Farside wrote:I agree that caboose idea seems more in favor with mafia then town.
I thought that you were trying to frame my idea as scummy in this quote.Farside wrote:I agree that caboose idea seems more in favor with mafia then town.
sekinj's idea fit better with the theme, I can digest that. However, I cannot understand for the life of me why sekinj's idea is better for the town than mine is.
But we're beyond that point in the game, so I don't want to say anything else about it.
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I'd like to know what stratagy Farside was using. I hope she knows that I could knock her out of the game Round 1 without allocating a single point to attacks.sekinj wrote:
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I don't like the fact that farside and mafia have 3 powers and I don't like the fact that mafia made a really powerful weapon, plus his lurking.Max wrote:PHASE I has begun
Voting takes place in the format
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Power Usage: PoY on PlY
X is replaced by a player, you can have as many of these lines as you like
A and B is replaced with a number
PoY is replaced with power name, PlY is replaced by Player this power is going to be used on, you can have as many of these lines as you like
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Sorry SSK, you only have 1 power.
But you still invented the most powerful weapon, which is see that Emp is abusing.
I love your BS attack on me.lord hur wrote:Err MafiaSSK has one power, and farside22 has three powers...
That's 3 people who can't read/count, and there are 3 scum, coincidence ?...
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I honestly thought you were.lord_hur wrote:
You didn't think I was serious about this coincidence thing right ?Caboose wrote:
I love your BS attack on me.lord hur wrote:Err MafiaSSK has one power, and farside22 has three powers...
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That's how SSK always is, though.farside22 wrote:
Well Empking's attack for poor reasoning is suspect. I feel a few people are attacking him for that reason.lord_hur wrote:What's with people not saying why they attack ? I think I'm the only one that gave anything resembling a justification...
Attacking in this mini game is like voting, so it should be justified, in my opinion. Unless there's something I don't get...
I attacked Mafia because I felt he has done little to poor scum hunting. He has said nothing but one liners all game.
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SSK has quite a strange approach to mafia. In one game I played with him, he questioned the cop's sanity AFTER the cop got an innocent on him, and he ended up being a townie.farside22 wrote:
The few games I played with SSk he usually was more talkative.Caboose wrote:
That's how SSK always is, though.farside22 wrote:
Well Empking's attack for poor reasoning is suspect. I feel a few people are attacking him for that reason.lord_hur wrote:What's with people not saying why they attack ? I think I'm the only one that gave anything resembling a justification...
Attacking in this mini game is like voting, so it should be justified, in my opinion. Unless there's something I don't get...
I attacked Mafia because I felt he has done little to poor scum hunting. He has said nothing but one liners all game.
Still waiting on explanation from Emp.
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Sekinj, if you recall Llamafluff from the Fang Tooth Game, you will know why I don't like these kinds of statements.sekinj wrote:@LH - I dont' think it is such a big leap that you were "followed" on the emp wagon. He is the only one to have voted both OP and LBF, plus generaly being very unhelpful to the town. He follows that by trying to stay alive at any cost, and being rude to boot. I know general rudeness and anti-town play is just Emp's style, but I cannot ignore that, no matter the game I am in.I am 99% sure he is scum.
But I do agree with you in the fact that I think that Emp is scum for the reasons that you stated. And you're just attacking Farside for the sake of attacking. Lame...
Farside, use more than 1 defense point. If Emp is successful in his attacks, he gets 20 energy.
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I want some substantiation behind this accusation.MafiaSSK wrote:
Seems like your bussing your buddy there. Doesn't seem like normal town apprecianting.sekinj wrote:Thanks guys I agree with the Caboose theory and of course with the opinions of me. I think Caboose has had good input, and I still don't like the D1 attacks against him.
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I think he just accused us of being scumbuddies, sekinj. Nothing makes me more angry than someone coming in and making a baseless, crap attack on me, though. I find it to be extremely scummy that SSK is doing that.sekinj wrote:MafiaSSK wrote:
Seems like your bussing your buddy there. Doesn't seem like normal town apprecianting.sekinj wrote:Thanks guys I agree with the Caboose theory and of course with the opinions of me. I think Caboose has had good input, and I still don't like the D1 attacks against him.
Vote: Caboose
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Seriously? You need more than vibes to put forth a good accusation of sekinj and I. How about something from posts?MafiaSSK wrote:
Not much else besides vibes really.lord_hur wrote:
Not in my eyes. Even if he's scum, he could be bussing too.sekinj wrote:Since he has been one of the scummiest players... maybe that just about clears both of us...
I'd like MafiaSSK to expand on his accusation too. I guess every message in favor of another player could be seen as mafia helping each other, but I didn't see this message as especially suspicious. Well, except that sekinj is again following my vote, and last time it lead to a mislynch... Can't really blame him, since I still think my points were valid and he has a brain too, but still...
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