Mini 693 - Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Mafia (OVER)

[Natirasha]

OH DARK LORD GANON

Vote: Natirasha

THIS IS MY OFFERING.

[Natirasha]

OH GREAT MAFIASSK, I BOW TO YE! GIVE ME YOUR DARK POWER, MY LIEGE!

[Natirasha]

Flip=when they die, their alignment is shown.

And meta is important.

[Natirasha]

Meta is how he plays, not how he says he plays, or how often he's been scum.

Ironically, I've been non-town more than town.

[Natirasha]

I'm of the opinion that the mafia just have the ability to pull someone out of the game for a cycle or something and that every day someone else will be removed until we lynch the dude who does it.

[Natirasha]

Wow. I'm really sorry, I rarely get prodded. I'll come up with something soon.

[Natirasha]

I've made a re-read. Before I post my thoughts , it would help if everyone can answer this question:

On a scale of 1-10,
with 1 being "What is Zelda?"
and 5 being "I know the entire story,overall theme of Ocarnia of time"
and 10 being "I know all the character bios and even know the dialogs backwards"

where would you fall?

I'd say about an 8.

[Natirasha]

@ Malthusis: If that line at iLord is a breadcrumb of your role name, one character comes to mind and it's a scum character. Convince me otherwise or I'll vote.

lolwat?

[Natirasha]

SP, did you understand Pesco's post?
Since you know a lot about it?

I didn't catch it either. I'm relooking over ZazieR's post right now, because I don't see the slip on malthusis' end.

I still don't see it. The only connection I see is that malthusis saying he can double-vote reveals his role (obviously). That could make his character loud...still dunno.

I think it's the fact that Twinrova--an obviously anti-town character--is an obvious choice for the double vote.

I don't believe this, though.

[Natirasha]

Unvote, Vote: CoheedCambria
Proxy: iLord

for sake of a lynch.

[Natirasha]

Proxy: iLord

for sake of a lynch.

What did you mean by Proxy, I honestly dont know:(

Whatever vote iLord makes, Natirasha makes as well automatically. Not sure why he's doing it, as usually you do it when you go V/LA or something.

Wrong. It's simple, really, I have an ability called Proxy that I must call out in-thread.

I see no reason to tell you what it does yet, though.

[Natirasha]

Proxy: iLord

for sake of a lynch.

What did you mean by Proxy, I honestly dont know:(

Whatever vote iLord makes, Natirasha makes as well automatically. Not sure why he's doing it, as usually you do it when you go V/LA or something.

Wrong. It's simple, really, I have an ability called Proxy that I must call out in-thread.

I see no reason to tell you what it does yet, though.

Oh.
This is going to be one interesting game.

That's how it usually is when Natirasha is playing in a Tar game.

[Natirasha]

OK guys sorry again, The day after i promised to do my relevant post my AC adapter for my laptop died and thusly so did my laptop. I got a new adapter today. But I's at work righ tnow, So i'll try to do a little bit of reading here and get a relevant post sometime afte ri get home tonight. Sorry guys I know i suck.

Each day you wait, the more I don't believe you.

[Natirasha]

Mod, I am proxying my vote to iLord.

No, you're not, for two very obvious reasons. - Tar

[Natirasha]

Mod, I am proxying my vote to iLord.

No, you're not, for two very obvious reasons. - Tar

Maybe I mirepresented what I meant.

Until I have constant access again, with no V/LA, I want iLord to control my vote.

Uhh, I can't actually do that without changing the base rules, since there's nothing in there that actually allows you to proxy your vote... I'll think about the change, though... - Tar

[Natirasha]

Vote: ZONEACE

Proxy: Pesco

[Natirasha]

Nat's here.

I'm just still on VLA, even if it doesn't look like it.

[Natirasha]

Pesco, why can't I see you in "Users online" section on the bottom of the main page where it shows everyone that's on?

Invisbility setting is on. You can't find me in Users Online, either.

[Natirasha]

Actually, I agree with Pesco, iLord.

If I was a cop, I'd just think he is lying. I think vollkan created a thread in MD before hand about this type of thing a while back...

[Natirasha]

iLord. You keep saying "ZONEACE was a miller." You do realize ZONEACE was a scum.

Also, if you were scum, would you just say "yeah, you got me." when caught in a cop investigation, or would you try to divert it?

[Natirasha]

Nat, you misunderstand what I'm saying.

I'm saying that Pesco should not have been so sure of ZONEACE's alignment before the flip.

I understand ZONEACE is scum.

I also understand that if Pesco is cop, he is probably sane.

I'm attacking his mindset, and not his role.

So...you are actively saying that a cop should inherently doubt his sanity in a theme game?

[Natirasha]

So...you are actively saying that a cop should inherently doubt his sanity in a theme game?

No, I'm talking after ZONEACE was lynched, when he had no reason to lie and continued to claim town.

The cop should at least have second thoughts.

Let me go find the vollkan thread.

[Natirasha]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8232

go.

[Natirasha]

That he lied after death that he was town, while being mafia. Now, the context is slightly different, but the basic idea is the same.

[Natirasha]

That he lied after death that he was town, while being mafia. Now, the context is slightly different, but the basic idea is the same.

But what does that have to do with Pesco's mindset? Are you saying we should expect plays like Volkan's?

I would.

[Natirasha]

I would.

Would you not voice any doubts about your sanity had you been thrust in Pesco's situation?

None whatsoever.

[Natirasha]

Woohoo!

I am in my new house and have internet! I need to reread this game but I should have something better up this weekend.

Good.

[Natirasha]

Am I correct in assuming that SP knew that ZONEACE was a tracker before the mod fixed his mistake?

Unvote, vote: SilverPhoenix

[Natirasha]

Am I correct in assuming that SP knew that ZONEACE was a tracker before the mod fixed his mistake?

Unvote, vote: SilverPhoenix

I really don't see the difference between a watcher and tracker: I use them interchangeably. I know there are technical differences, but I don't find them different enough to be scummy for saying one and not the other. It simply isn't fair.

Mod: What is the difference between a tracker and a watcher in your terms? Because I'm really curious why you make me appear to have more knowledge than I do.

Watchers see who targeted a player. Trackers see who a player targeted. Thats how I always thought it worked.

[Natirasha]

OH COME ON. It's obvious that he's scum--there's no way he would screw up saying tracker without inside knowledge.

Proxy: Natirasha

[Natirasha]

We need to massclaim today. We should have one scum alive in future-world. We need to lynch them today. The idea is that we should start out with Mass role claim at least. I'll even start.

I'm Dampe. You might recognize me as the dude with the graveyard fetish and gave Link his hookshot.

MSSK, you have any information on what happened with you banishment in the past?

[Natirasha]

MSSK, you have any information on what happened with you banishment in the past?

Yes. Simple way to say it is that I don't have a real role in the past.
@Malt: Yes, its because I don't want to be the crappy non-existant role.

Alright, I'm going to put myself on the chopping block here.

To the best of your knowledge, is your role living in the past in Ocarina of Time?

[Natirasha]

Mod: If in our current time period there are no anti-town forces left (and there are some in different time periods) what happens?

I think we win. That's what would make sense to me.

[Natirasha]

Malt wrote:
3.If I were scum I would have killed Pesco the second she claimed cop. That didn't happen in the past.


Scum killed him at the end of the Day she claimed, no?

Pesco claimed at the end of day one so she wouldn't get lynched so Coheed got lynched instead.

You do realize that the mafia probably had just sent in their kill already and didn't change targets?

[Natirasha]

Its like a retroactive chainsaw defense of Zoneace. Honestly, cop hit scum, what's your problem with that?

Did you not find Pesco's mindset worrying?

No. No one found Pesco's mindset worrying. You are the only one.

[Natirasha]

What? Are you saying that it's good if you get killed? Or am I just misunderstanding you?

No, he's saying that he prefers the future despite nightkills because he can actually play, but he acknowledges that for the greater good of the town, the past would be preferable.

Thank you for answering a question which I could have answered.

MafiaSSK, can you just roleclaim and get this all over with?

[Natirasha]

Well then, I know where to place my vote.

Vote: MafiaSSK

Anyone want to double-vote him with me?

[Natirasha]

Well then, I know where to place my vote.

Vote: MafiaSSK

Anyone want to double-vote him with me?

Why?

Your using a safeclaim. There is no way that you aren't lying. There are gold skulltulas in the past and you distinctly said you weren't in the past.

[Natirasha]

Full claim and/or die plz.

Past-Not a player
Future-Townie

Most unlikely to be true claim ever.

[Natirasha]

Vote: iLord

[Natirasha]

Why is it doing that?

Quote tags were off.

[Natirasha]

Actually, L-2.

Anyways, we need to massclaim today. I'm serious about this. I have information that could win the game for the town, we just need to massclaim first.

[Natirasha]

I will claim first(since I've already half-claimed), then I want Malthy to go second-to-last. In between is up to you people.

[Natirasha]

I'd rather not, but if we agree to do so I guess I don't have a choice. Do we have to claim both our future and past roles?

Most definitely.

[Natirasha]

unvote

.

Massclaim first.
Order so far.
Me
raider
iLord
?
Malthy
?

[Natirasha]

Alright, so are we massclaiming?

[Natirasha]

Do we also include the character we are or not?

Most Definitely.

Alright, I'll go. The order is
Nati
raider
iLord
Zazie
Malthy
andersonw.

I am Dampe, the graveyard dude.
In the past, I am a vanilla townie.
In the future, I don't exist. That is to say, I am a ghost. I don't count towards WinCons, and I don't have a vote. However, I have the ability "Proxy'. Proxying allows me to give someone else the ability to double vote. This is why Tarhalindur screwed up on SSK's lynch, I was fake-voting.

raider, your next.

P.S. Ilord, I don't like your raider case at all.

[Natirasha]

Vote: Mathusis

Fell exactly into my trap. I was looking for the source of the Light Arrows.

[Natirasha]

Vote: Mathusis

Fell exactly into my trap. I was looking for the source of the Light Arrows.

You made us massclaim for that?

Are you kidding me?

There's so many ways that the light arrows could be justified, that this idea by itself by no means justifed a massclaim.

No, that was the reason I wanted massclaim.

[Natirasha]

tl'dr: Malthusis is a walking contradiction?

[Natirasha]

In the past, we have 2 scumz.
In the future, we have 1 scum. At least, that's how I imagine it.
I say andersonw should claim.

[Natirasha]

Here's why I think everything fits as to why Zelda/Mathy is scum.

Idea One: Tar does not follow flavor when designing games.
Conclusion: At least one unconditionally-townie rolename is probably scum.
Idea Two: The only people who use light arrows are Zelda(/Sheik/Tetra) and Link. Link is dead.
Conclusion: Light arrow kills are by Zelda.
Idea Three: Arrow kills began day two, AFTER ZONEACE was modkilled.
Idea Four: The mafia had a traitor in the future.
Conclusion: The mafia has a different traitor in the past.
Conclusion: The scum did not want to use the light arrows, since that would implicate Zelda.
Idea Five: Zelda would make a great godfather.
Conclusion: Zelda is the godfather.
Idea Six: Malthusis is Zelda.
Conclusion: Malthusis is scum.

[Natirasha]

There are two scum, if everyone listened to me.

This is the scumteam, from what I'd think.

2 scumzors(Malthusis and ZONEACE).
1 Past Mafia Traitor
1 Future Mafia Traitor

Since traitors usually don't know the identity of mafiates, then they can easily be worked into changing alignments mid-game.

[Natirasha]

raider, your vote is wasted where it is. You are not helping the town in any way.

(iLord: Let's lynch raider tomorrow)

[Natirasha]

"Looks like you're coming around." - Zelda, as Sheik

Tar is famous for putting modhints in his vote counts. Anyone want to comment on this.

@ZazieR: I was using proxy in the past to try and screw with the scum and possibly draw a kill to me, the vanilla townie/useless doesn't-matter-in-future guy. In the future, I was trying to blend in and play forward the fact I didn't have a vote. It got Tar to screw up a lynch.

[Natirasha]

unvote, vote: ZazieR

for a lynch.

[Natirasha]

Vote: malthusis

I believe this was the plan yesterday.

[Natirasha]

Yeah, pretty much that, And the fact that she has a double-vote, which I think is a great mafia power, and the fact that we're still in the past. If Zelda was pro-town, she'd obviously go to the future where WE ONLY HAVE TO CATCH ONE SCUM.

[Natirasha]

Yeah, pretty much that, And the fact that she has a double-vote, which I think is a great mafia power, and the fact that we're still in the past. If Zelda was pro-town, she'd obviously go to the future where WE ONLY HAVE TO CATCH ONE SCUM.

This is a blantly obvious lie. If we had two scum, it would be game over right now (unless I'm not scum, which totally devalues your theory). This just looks like an attack to end the game.

FoS Natrirasha

5 people and 2 scum means it's LyLo. AKA, your logic is blatant lies.

[Natirasha]

5 people and 2 scum means it's LyLo. AKA, your logic is blatant lies.

You do realize it's a new day right? There's only 4 people alive.

But...the first post...

Mod, you might want to fix the first post

.

[Natirasha]

It would be balanced if the mafia had a DOUBLE-VOTING TIME-CHANGING GODFATHER WHO KILLS WITH LIGHT ARROWS.

[Natirasha]

Actually, if the traitor does not know the identity of the godfather(Malthusis) then they technically don't hold voting majority, and may vote against each other, ergo, the town might lynch the DOUBLE-VOTING TIME CHANGING MAFIA GODFATHER WHO KILLS WITH LIGHT ARROWS and hunts for the possible traitor tomorrow.

[Natirasha]

Yes. But I don't think traitors have a kill. At least, in my experience. Still, I think the best course of action is to kill the DOUBLE-VOTING TIME CHANGING MAFIA GODFATHER WHO KILLS WITH LIGHT ARROWS.

[Natirasha]

I'm not on VLA anymore. I got an iPhone today so I can post and access the net still.

[Natirasha]

[sarcasm]Of course, I realized that FL was scum the second malthy placed his vote.[/sarcasm]

[Natirasha]

My rule is that I couldn't imagine a two-player mafia being so...weak...in the past. It just seemed like the mafia GF would have to have good powers to make up for the fact there were only 2 of them.

[modwifom]And Haruhi isn't that bad when it comes to flavor inversions.

And Mind Screw doesn't count.

And MtG:PU follows flavor somewhat efficiently.[/modwifom]

[Natirasha]

If you want to see how wacky a Normal can get, you should see mine. It's in the queue right now. Let's just say I had to tone down my setup.