Mini 700 - Monta Vista Mafia (School has ended!)

[CarnCarn]

I always get picked last.

[CarnCarn]

so, uh, what classes are you guys taking?

[CarnCarn]

StrangerCoug, CarnCarn, MiteyMouse

/confirm

[CarnCarn]

EBWOP: RHCP FTW

[CarnCarn]

Jebus, PEG, where are you? You're missing out on the fun!

[CarnCarn]

StrangerCoug, CarnCarn, MiteyMouse

/confirm

Well group, looks like we're the only ones to have a group of three. That's real mature of us. Do we win yet?

[CarnCarn]

Good morning, Mr. Javier!

Claim: Seat 5

[CarnCarn]

It is now time to head to your first period class.

For the majority of you,

that should be English!

Anyone NOT have English 1st period?

Group Three (Nerds): Jebus,

My Milked Eek (<3),

Scotmany

Hmm, what's that random <3 doing there?

[CarnCarn]

Because, y'know, it's never just flavour.

This game has way too much going on right now for anything to be "just flavor"

[CarnCarn]

BBM was an IC in my first game. Everytime we meet we <3 each other.

Ahhh, cool. Carry on then. That wasn't really anything I thought was suspicious, just something that piqued my curiousity.

On the other hand, it will be interesting if there are actually people missing from first period English.

[CarnCarn]

Vote: MiteyMouse

[CarnCarn]

You may call me "The Rock"

[CarnCarn]

Carny works too.

For PEG, I suggest "John Madden"

[CarnCarn]

And actually,

Unvote, Vote: Mr. Javier

for this nasty story:

So it's a Japanese myth, the name isn't that important though. It shows the

male

god. And he has this

spear

. And he shoves it into the

ocean

. And then he takes it

out

. Then this salty

stuff

falls to the Earth and forms

land

. The first

children

of the gods. [/i]Mmkay[/i]?

[CarnCarn]

You tried to lynch a teacher >:0

Of course. He sounds too much like Mr. Mackey. Maybe he is.

[CarnCarn]

But I did random vote a player (MiMo, fellow Goth). Then I changed my vote.

[CarnCarn]

[CarnCarn]

I'm reading and one possible thing to note is that MR. Javier has some words in italics. I'm not sure if it means anything or is some kind of a code...I have been trying to figure it out with very little luck thus far.

I was hinting at this in post 79. I think he is basically just Mr. Mackey from South Park, and that the italics and stuff are just for flavor.

And more votes on a Carny wagon

por favor

.

Is that I-talian or somethin?
Why'd you want to wagon the person you're sitting next to? That's not nice.

And the case on Carny is what again?

That I don't like the annoying teacher?

[CarnCarn]

No, it's Spanish.

I know, it's part of my character's flavor.

[CarnCarn]

Agreed. Change the wagon,

Oddly, I find Jesus more suspicious for this... eagerness?

Unvote: Mr. Javier
Vote: Jesus

According to my unofficial vote count, Lassie and Jesus are both at L-2 (3 votes each).

[CarnCarn]

Eagerness to get this game rolling = scummy?

Well, I don't thinking wagoning to get a claim is really the best opening strategy. I don't think it's ever a good strategy for town, assuming the setup is well designed.

What are you at right now, Carny

Zero, I think?

[CarnCarn]

Vote: CarnCarn

This one is easy.

Please share your undoubtedly brilliant findings.

[CarnCarn]

Assumed too much? The only thing I assumed is that the setup is well designed. Are you doubting this?

[CarnCarn]

You assumed that he was pushing for a claim. Why is this, exactly? I may have missed something, but still.

Bandwagon stage = stage where a person is wagoned for pressure on the basis of a minor fos/scumvibe,

to get results.

Is this a claim I see, or did I miss something earlier?

Emphasis in the second quote is mine. No, Jesus wasn't asking me to claim, but he was certainly headed in that direction. I wanted to explain the fallacy before we got that far.

[CarnCarn]

You assumed that he was pushing for a claim. Why is this, exactly? I may have missed something, but still.

Bandwagon stage = stage where a person is wagoned for pressure on the basis of a minor fos/scumvibe,

to get results.

Is this a claim I see, or did I miss something earlier?

Emphasis in the second quote is mine. No, Jesus wasn't asking me to claim, but he was certainly headed in that direction. I wanted to explain the fallacy before we got that far.

You got your poison in my drinking water.

What did I "poison"?
Are you supporting the mindless wagon-to-claim strategy?

[CarnCarn]

He supported

results.

And what "results" are we looking for in mafia when blatantly wagoning? You know what it comes down to.

[CarnCarn]

That's not what it comes down to. If you think that's all it comes down to, go back to newbie games until you really understand what wagoning is all about.

OK expert, point me to a game where wagoning never comes down to claiming. And for one to talk about "poisoning the well" you sure did that yourself. I never said that that was "all" is comes down to, just implying that it's usually an end result.

[CarnCarn]

And to amuse certain people, allow me to say BEEP BEEP BEEP.
...Any questions?

Bah, I'm not going to go there.

[CarnCarn]

You're right, but I'm not liking your defense of Jebus. You seem to be confident of his motive. How are you so sure he wasn't going for a claim? I don't like the "oh, well wagoning is just part of the game" defense. Like you said, there is the idea of pressure to generate conversation, but, there is also the idea of forcing revelation of role-info. You seem waay too sure of which intent Jebus had in wagoning.

[CarnCarn]

What I'm saying is, you accused me of assuming one reason for wagoning, while you're basically guilty of assuming another reason for the wagon.

[CarnCarn]

I never said anything about his intent.

He never supported a claim.

You're sure you're not sure?

[CarnCarn]

Not really. And your vote on me for assuming one interpretation of wagoning is in itself a statement that you assume Jebus was wagoning for another reason (the one you gave above, #2). Basically, you are willing to dismiss any malicious intent on his part, without even waiting for him to fully respond to my accusation, on the grounds of an alternative reason for wagoning.

[CarnCarn]

Where exactly did he defend Jebus? What I see is him attacking you for making an assumption. I do not see JDodge saying that Jebus was never looking for a claim.

He did say that though. Look above. His whole argument amounts to a defense of Jebus for wagoning various people (especially me, I guess). He assumes Jebus' reason for wagoning was protown (just pressuring, creating conversation, etc.), while I, admittedly, thought he had a more malicious intent, especially for shifting wagon to wagon at this early stage.

This is simply not true. Once again, I do not see where JDodge is defending Jebus. He does not dismiss him or anything. What I see is him attacking you for something he finds scummy.

See above paragraph.

[CarnCarn]

Because he never said that he wanted claims. How are you so sure that he intended that? As pointed out by BL, there is more to a bandwagon than getting claims.

Well, I'm not absolutely sure, just a suspicion. Maybe JDodge is right and I was assuming too much. But, I didn't like the wagon shifting and I assumed the worst. Maybe it is a mistake, but better that I steer clear of it. Anyway, legitimate conversation can still be had with a player without wagoning them. Certainly, it's not necessary to wagon every player just to get them to talk (and that was kind of my fear with what Jebus was doing; he wagoned 3 different players, looking for early "results", when I don't think that's really the best way to go about it). His switch from your wagon to mine was never well explained (aside from the ridiculous "oh he tried to lynch the teacher, he must be scum"), nor was the shift from me to collie (that last one especially strikes me opportunistic; that is what I was trying to suggest with my "eagerness" comment).
So, there you go. That's why I interpreted what I did from Jebus comments on wagoning.

[CarnCarn]

Pressure wagon = scare people with lynch, claim or die time doesn't come in. I'm not really interested in claims. I just want people to slip up under pressure.

I understand that that is a possible reason for wagoning, but I don't think that's why you're doing it. For one thing, it's not necessary to wagon every player just to get them to start talking. For another, all of your votes, except for the first one on me, have been "piling on" type votes, which scum prefer to do and just say "I was just adding pressure" as an excuse.

[CarnCarn]

Also

His switch from your [MME] wagon to mine was never well explained (aside from the ridiculous "oh he tried to lynch the teacher, he must be scum"), nor was the shift from me to collie (that last one especially strikes me opportunistic; that is what I was trying to suggest with my "eagerness" comment).

Feel like explaining?

[CarnCarn]

Your immediate assumption that I'm looking for a claim is scummy.

Why? I see scummy voting pattern and I assume scummy intent for wagoning. How does this mean I'm scum?

Jdodge's defense of myself is scummy (in terms of how it was done).

I could agree with him if all he said was "wagoning doesn't always mean wanting a claim" but he pushed it too far and seemed to know what your exact intent was. I never understood why my assuming what I did about your wagoning (his original "this one is easy" scum-tell) is a scum-tell at all, especially not if I have other reasons to justify thinking so.

[CarnCarn]

I never understood why my assuming what I did about your wagoning (his original "this one is easy" scum-tell) is a scum-tell at all, especially not if I have other reasons to justify thinking so.

[CarnCarn]

Unvote: Jesus
Vote: Belgian Lover

for trying to use a scum-tell that's not a scum-tell.
At least, until he explains why it would be one. I have no convincing reason to think he (or anyone else, really) is scum at this point.

[CarnCarn]

Bah

Unvote: Jesus
Vote: Belgian Lover

(PS: Double checking posts before hitting submit is for people who have shit to hide, amirite?)

This.

[CarnCarn]

Bah

Unvote: Jesus
Vote: Belgian Lover

(PS: Double checking posts before hitting submit is for people who have shit to hide, amirite?)

This.

I completely disagree with this statement.

like 1000% disagree.


If I felt like voting right now it would def be for carny.

Yes I know Lassie said it, but this coupled with previous events put you on top.


Back to slashing my wrists but in a miraculous random event MCR comes on my WMP and I decide I want to live.

rejoice!

1. It's humor/a joke.
2. What previous events?
3. Why don't you feel like voting?

[CarnCarn]

CarnCarn

: A gent who has thrown up three votes, one of which was obv a joke vote. He seems to be attempting to scum hunt but tends to pull at straws. I can find him attempting to begin discourse, but then he changes directions and discusses his class schedule.

Don't get me wrong, I like discussing meaningless sod as much as the next fellow, but for someone who is clearly attempting to get the game rolling, lets do just that. QFTing one of my early self-antagonizing posts this late in the game is simply contrary

Way to point out my two most meaningless posts (one from page 1 and another that was simply an attempt at humor in a quite serious thread so far) and completely ignore everything else I've said.

As far as I can tell, Carn's decisively wish-washy play style has made it challenging for me to agree with anything he says, or that I'm missing a part of the whole picture.

What's wishy-washy? Examples please.

[CarnCarn]

With 17 questions being issued thus far, scaling the spectrum from unhelpful to socratically meaningless (Ie: consistent 'why?' 'O RLYs?' and 'how so?') I am aggravated by your lack of forthrightness...
I view this as a muddled attempt to appear thoughtful in discourse, yet actively prevent information from being gleaned.

Right, when people make vague generalized observations I question them about it. Examples of said vagueness:

Vote: CarnCarn

This one is easy.

You assumed that he was pushing for a claim. Why is this, exactly? I may have missed something, but still.

Bandwagon stage = stage where a person is wagoned for pressure on the basis of a minor fos/scumvibe,

to get results.

Is this a claim I see, or did I miss something earlier?

Emphasis in the second quote is mine. No, Jesus wasn't asking me to claim, but he was certainly headed in that direction. I wanted to explain the fallacy before we got that far.

You got your poison in my drinking water.

Agreed. Change the wagon,

unvote
Vote: Lassie

Let's have a closer look at the posts you linked:
From your perspective, this was just "restating the obvious":

Also

His switch from your [MME] wagon to mine was never well explained (aside from the ridiculous "oh he tried to lynch the teacher, he must be scum"), nor was the shift from me to collie (that last one especially strikes me opportunistic; that is what I was trying to suggest with my "eagerness" comment).

Feel like explaining?

This is a legitimate question because it was never addressed by Jebus and I felt it was important to know why he was switching wagons so frequently. You are incorrect in saying that Jebus is

starting

wagons; instead, he is merely climbing into them to "add pressure" which is a difference I was trying to make clear.
And the second post you linked:

I never said anything about his intent.

He never supported a claim.

You're sure you're not sure?

This is also a legitimate question because it presents a possible contradiction. For someone who was preaching about not using absolutes unless one is absolutely certain, JDodge did use the absolute "never" and I wanted to ask him how he was so sure.
Clearly, you seem to be suggesting that my questioning has not been useful, and you would prefer it to stop. But I see no reason to appease you; there is no way my questioning has in any way lessened discussion or amounted to the mere simplicity that you state as just "restating the obvious"
You get a big

FoS

for suggesting this.

I don't understand Jebus' big FoS on JDodge.

My understanding is that the FoS is for the way JDodge went about explaining Jebus' intent for wagoning, not about whehter or not they agree about that intent. Like I said, JDodge seemed confident about one interpretation for the wagoning, which may suggest that he knows something about Jebus that we don't.

[CarnCarn]

Rules:
9) If no majority is reached at the deadline, no-lynch will be achieved and lynched like the scumbag he/she/it is!

Monta Vista Specific Rules (MUY IMPORTANTE!):

13) As stated in rule 8, each game day will last exactly 14 days. This being said, the game has a special "Lights Out" like mechanic that you cannot "turn off". As many lynches as you like may occur within that timeframe.

9) OK, so I believe I'm at 3/5 votes. Lynching me is not good for town, but no lynch is probably not good either.

If people want me to claim, I will, since we are getting close the deadline. In fact, since we're so close to the deadline, I'm going to go ahead and soft-claim anyway to give enough time for discussion: non-vanilla, basic flavor is that I don't really care about school.

13) "Lights Out" would be good for town. Can we get that sooner rather than later, please (in case someone/some people is in charge of that)?

[CarnCarn]

Wait, we're

in

lights out right now? Oh crap, that changes everything.

Mod

We basically have infinite lynch over a 14 day period, then, right?[/b]
For some reason I thought lynch would end the day automatically, like in most other games.

[CarnCarn]

MME, yes I may have overassumed, but I don't think it was necessarily wrong to assume given what I thought about Jebus switching wagons giving no reasons for doing so.
I don't understand why I was voted by JDodge just for assuming this. Yes, he was correct that there are more reasons for bandwagoning than getting claims, but I was confused when he started being so adamant that Jebus was "never" looking for a claim. I think Jebus' statements were too vague to imply either way why he was wagoning and I just found JDodge's confidence a bit misplaced.

[CarnCarn]

What has he done all game?

This is a good point. Killing activity is an even bigger scum incentive in this game than it usually is.
Others who have been mostly silent: PEG, scotmany
PEG apparently had V/LA.
scotmany I am not sure why he was so quiet.

[CarnCarn]

Mod: Do we get alignment information at death? Immediately or at end of game day for lynches?

[CarnCarn]

Mod: Is the passing period equivalent to a night phase?

[CarnCarn]

Mod: Is the passing period equivalent to a night phase?

Sure.

So, I guess this means there was no mafia night kill, then.

[CarnCarn]

Do you guys really think Mimo is scumbuddy to JDodge?

[CarnCarn]

Do you guys really think Mimo is scumbuddy to JDodge?

If I was do you really think that I would hammer him? Wouldn't that be counter productive!

You didn't hammer. You put him at L-1.

Still, I want to hear if MME really thinks you and JDodge are scumpartners.

[CarnCarn]

The thing I found strange about this "bussing" is that JDodge suggested lynching Mimo first. I don't see JDodge doing that to a scumpartner, unless they were getting desperate and both trying to buss. Also, his suggestion to lynch Mimo was kind of random and he gave no reason for it. I don't really see a cross bussing, here.

[CarnCarn]

unvote
Vote: MiMo

That's much better, and works for me.

As to my flip-flopping, well, I want something to happen (= post more!)

While I agree that people should definately post more in this game, your "me, too!" votes aren't adding anything, either. Sure, you'll argue that you're trying to get people to talk, but if you really want them to discuss something, at least point out what you find suspicious.
I'm a bit concerned that you are continuing this line of play from yesterday; I don't think your actions really fit with your stated intentions.

Vote: Jesus

scotmany2 and PEG: Can you please post your thoughts on the JDodge lynch and whom you are finding suspicious now?

[CarnCarn]

Carny, what do you think of MiMo being the possible partner?

I'm skeptical at the moment for the reasons I mentioned in 228. I would like to see MiMo provide more content than just "Trust me" posts, though.

I would also like to see less pressure wagoning from Jebus, unless it is done concurrently with reasons for finding the wagonee suspicious. It's hard to start discussion if you don't accuse anyone of anything except to say something along the lines of "Hey, you're scum. Defend that."

[CarnCarn]

unvote
Vote: MiMo

That's much better, and works for me.

As to my flip-flopping, well, I want something to happen (= post more!)

Dude. Actually give decent reasons for your vote, not just something along the lines of "Yeah, let's go with the flow".

Vote: Jesus

Where was this yesterday?

Vote: StrangerCoug

Seriously, this guy has done absolutely nothing, even though he has clearly been around. I hate his vote on Jebus, seems like he is trying to start an easy wagon (in his eyes). He criticizes for him not giving decent reasons for a vote when he votes Jebus with no decent reason. And he basically put a HoS on MiMo for a null tell.

Well, his reason for voting Jebus is the same as mine basically, but I want to know why he chose to vote him now, instead of earlier when Jebus was doing the same thing.

I do not wish to add a third leg to this issue, what with things beginning to complicate themselves, but what are the chances of there being two scum left? Quite good, as I can tell. (SK, etc.)

If you think this is true, what do you think about the lack of night kills? I don't think you are necessarily wrong to assume this, though.

Thus the following (completely theoretical) scenario threatens my mind: Scot attempts to divert pressure from Mimo, his scum partner, just as things are getting good. (As per g-post 242)

Now this is just confusing. homoscot is scum with Mimo? By extension they would both be buddies with JDodge, right? I don't think a three-person scum team is balanced in 9 player game, usually.

Now is not the time for a wagon change. I do not believe MiMo is scum with a strong majority of my being, but I do condone this wagon because as we may be seeing here, people are being drawn from the dark recesses of Lurkerdom and forced to post. Such diversion from such successful means is hardly pro-town.

Vote: Homo

Would you favor lynching both homoscot and MiMo today?

Anticollie, you are finding me scummy for what exactly? You don't think MiMo is scum, yet you vote for me for "diverting" from her wagon? So is the other wagon on Jebus not a diversion? I'm guessing that is totally acceptable for you. Yet when I decide to vote for someone I find scummy, I am diverting from a wagon on a player that you don't even think is scum. Yeah...your vote is making absolutely no sense.

Yeah, he said he doesn't think MiMo is scum, then gave a situation where he thinks the two of you are scum together. I'm not sure what he's really thinks.

Am I really the only one thinking that quote from JDodge was a joke (or an attempt at one)?

Honestly, I'm not sure. It sounded like something ridiculous to say, but he was obviously being serious about lynching me. If it's a complete joke, I don't know that he would mention a scumbuddy.

"IDK INBD"

This meaning...

I Don't Know, It's No Big Deal.

[CarnCarn]

unvote
Vote: MiMo

That's much better, and works for me.

As to my flip-flopping, well, I want something to happen (= post more!)

While I agree that people should definately post more in this game, your "me, too!" votes aren't adding anything, either. Sure, you'll argue that you're trying to get people to talk, but if you really want them to discuss something, at least point out what you find suspicious.
I'm a bit concerned that you are continuing this line of play from yesterday; I don't think your actions really fit with your stated intentions.

Vote: Jesus

It's been almost a week and we haven't heard from Jesus.
Mini, unofficial VC: MiMo (3), Jesus (2), teh furreh (1), Not voting (2: MiMo, John Madden), 5 to lynch

[CarnCarn]

I will be V/LA 12/3-12/4. Will be back in time for deadline, but vote stays where it is, for now.

[CarnCarn]

Mimo, you should claim, probably.

[CarnCarn]

Do I smell rolefishing? Or are we at L-1 claim or die time?

I think it's more likely the be the first.

Pretty sure Mimo was at L-1... (4 votes, 5 to lynch). I counted Edith, Jesus, Lassie, and teh furreh on that wagon.
Of course, you're not on the wagon anymore, but that doesn't change my point.

[CarnCarn]

I would but, don't have anything worth claiming. I don't really like that you asked me to however. I don't like people pushing for roleclaims.

Would you rather I, or someone else, hammered without asking?
So, you are claiming vanilla, and then attacking someone who has claimed non-vanilla, and also was clearly against JDodge-scum all of yesterday.
I don't really see the point of your vote.

Generally claiming at L-1 makes sense. I've also not been a fan of your wagon since, well, all of today, if you haven't noticed. I would have hammered anyway without asking for a claim if it seemed possible to get 2 lynches today.
I'm not liking the massive lurking by PEG and scotmany. It's killing our lights-out "advantage." I think a PEG wagon makes more sense, but it's a gut call and a general distaste of lurking (especially when we have lights-out).

[CarnCarn]

Sure, but, like I said, I may not be online. Will be back Thurs. night, before deadline so if I do that's when it will be.

[CarnCarn]

Well, I'm back now. There's about 3 hours to deadline and I think the votecount is:
Jebus: 2 (CarnCarn, Lassie)
Mimo: 2 (Edith, teh furreh)
CarnCarn: 1 (Jesus)
Edith: 1 (Mimo)
Not voting: 2 (John Madden, homoscot)

It was a week wagon, in my opinion. I really didn't wan't it to go to claim-or-die. And to think the wagon held serious ground is a little uncertain.

I think this is a really strange thing to say. If he really thought this, Jesus could have unvoted sooner, but he didn't because there was nowhere for him to place his next vote. His unvote and vote for me looks like a really desperate attempt to unvote without looking too suspicious. I could see a possible Mimo/Jebus pairing. Right now, I am happy with my vote in Jesus, but we need to get a lynch at deadline so I'm willing to vote for a Mimo or teh furreh lynch, too (see below about tf)

At the same time, I find

teh furreh's

play suspect in this game. He has been extremely quiet for him, I believe, and his switch to the Mimo wagon to put Mimo at L-1 was extremely weak:

Jesus is looking a little better now, but on the other hand MiMo is getting increasingly scummy. She has yet to explain her actions, and her voting Jesus is iffy, especially since she says it's gut. Not really helping, MiMo, not really helping.

He has basically contributed nothing to scumhunting in this game and I don't think that is at all normal for tf.

FoS: teh furreh

[CarnCarn]

The lack of night kills so far in this game tells me one thing:

Vote: John Madden
FoS: homoscot

[CarnCarn]

The lack of night kills so far in this game tells me one thing:

Vote: John Madden
FoS: homoscot

This is one of the most retarded and ridiculous votes ever. I don't even know what to think of it.

Hmm, was unsure you were both still here. For what's it's worth, we seem to know now.

Unvote

[CarnCarn]

Which means that it's probably only going to be lynch-kills in this game. 'kay.

Vote: Jebus

[CarnCarn]

You really think there are no NKs in this game?

[CarnCarn]

Also, I'm surprised SC ditched the MiMo case for that.

[CarnCarn]

Along that line of thought, what do you guys think about massclaim?

[CarnCarn]

Along that line of thought, what do you guys think about massclaim?

Seriously now?

=/

I have reason to think it would be useful since multiple people think this is lynch-kills only. Then again, the mod could just be misleading us. Not sure if that is typical of a Flameaxe game; never played one before.

[CarnCarn]

If JDodge flipped Mafia Doctor, then why would this be lynch kills only?

Then again, the mod could just be misleading us.

[CarnCarn]

Well, if it's lynch-kills only, then does it even matter if we out the power roles? The only downside is that the mafia could RB them, if they have an RB.

And, if it's lynch-kills only, we almost certainly wouldn't have a sane cop.

BUT, my role

suggests

it's NOT lynch-kills only (unless mod is misleading me/us). I was surprised so many people thought it was obviously lynches only.
My reasoning behind massclaiming was to see whether people would claim things that indicated night kills, plus it would pin down the mafia to a claim now.

Do you also think the passing period is just there for no purpose?

[CarnCarn]

Along that line of thought, what do you guys think about massclaim?

I think: fuck you.

CarnCarn, you're number 3 on my list cap'n.

Why are you so opposed to massclaim if you think lynches-only is a "reasonable assumption"?

[CarnCarn]

EBWOP: "reasonable assertion," that is.

[CarnCarn]

MME, I'd prefer you hold off on claiming until we reach an agreement on whether it would be good or not.

If we do massclaim, I think we should do nameclaim first (we might be able to find an oddity without claiming roles).

[CarnCarn]

Lassie, I know what you mean. My purpose behind massclaim was to get a better idea of whether we really do have NKs or it's just mod-trickery. If we do have NKs, then I have a better idea of who I think the scum are (I think).
My vote for Jesus was because he seemed sure it was lynches only. Sure it's probably not a terrible assumption given lack of NKs so far, but he sounded like he knew something for sure?

[CarnCarn]

I'm here. We need to lynch someone. Deadline is in a week.

Jesus seems a decent lynch to me, but willing to lynch MiMo, too, now. Lots of lurkers this game, it seems.

[CarnCarn]

So, no-lynch again today?

[CarnCarn]

17) There will be a brunch break between periods 3 and 4.
18) There will be a lunch break between periods 5 and 6.

I'm not sure if these are anything useful game-wise. I imagine they would be, and we might see some changes. And maybe find out what is so important about our groups, too.

[CarnCarn]

lol @ prodding JDodge

Jebus definately should post, though

[CarnCarn]

Vote: Jesus

[CarnCarn]

Edith, what's your role name (or is that bolded part your role name?)? What's your flavor for being in school/being your role?

The reason I ask is that I think your role, as you describe it, is generally known as an "innocent child", which doesn't make much sense to be in high school. And you might as well ask the mod to confirm your townness, now that you've claimed that.

Regardless, lets get back to lynching Jesus. John Madden is next (for me), if there is a next.

homoscot, you asked for Jesus to claim but you're not voting him. Why?

[CarnCarn]

lol, OK that makes a lot of sense.

I'm not a fan of "traps", since they often aren't selective enough for scum, but I didn't see it as a trap when you first posted it.

At the same time, I don't think MiMo is scum, either.

At this point, my lynch preferences would be (from most preferable to least):
Jesus
John Madden
MiMo
teh furreh/Lassie/homoscot (all tied)
Carny
Edith

[CarnCarn]

homoscot, you asked for Jesus to claim but you're not voting him. Why?

I am pretty sure that when I asked for his claim, he was at L-1.

Ah, that's right. Now he's at L-2 I think (MiMo unvoted inbetween).

Still, I think Jesus needs to claim/be prodded to claim.

It's kind of funny that Carny places himself as his second least preferable lynch instead of his absolute least, but then again, Edith is on the verge of being confirmed one way or the other.

Well, anyone is more preferable to lynch than someone mod-confirmed town to everyone (which I'm assuming Edith will be, shortly). I know I'm mod-confirmed town, but only I know that for sure, not everyone else.

[CarnCarn]

Mod: Could you prod Jesus to post in this thread?

[CarnCarn]

I don't think it was a lynch. I think MiMo's vote put Jesus back at L-1. He's been prodded, so I'm pretty much just waiting for him to post/claim at this point.

Lassie, I get what you're saying about the scum list, but I do think I've given reasons for why I suspect the people at the top of my list and why in that order, in other parts of the thread. I can't really explain the people at the middle, other than process of elimination should all the top candidates not be scum, so I've put them together more or less, then myself and Edith at the bottom for obvious reasons.

[CarnCarn]

As per my sig, I will be LA until 1/7.

[CarnCarn]

Vote: John Madden

he's been avoiding this game like the plague.

[CarnCarn]

I know that he dropped the hammer on a Scum but, that could have been bussing.

Uhh...

[CarnCarn]

ah, good point. Jesus is definately confirmed scum. Latino must have been a safeclaim.

[CarnCarn]

And more votes on a Carny wagon

por favor

.

Well, you have to give him credit for this subconscious "breadcrumbing" of his safeclaim. Too bad he didn't refer back to it. Too bad he already said it had nothing to do with anything, either

Anyway, I reread the earlier half of the game, since it's been a while now, and I think MiMo is most likely to be (the last?) scum. Two comments are especially bothersome:

Vote Jebus

For giving me my nickname...which I love BTW...I will probably remove it when the random stage is done.[/b]

UNVOTE

Don't want Jesus lynched over a random vote![/b]

First, she announces that she will "probably remove it" when the random stage is over. Why announce that? That is pretty much assumed/standard play, unless you're giving a hint to your scumbuddy or something. Then, she removes the vote for Jesus at a point when the pressure was put on Jesus to talk about his motives for wagoning, etc. Looks a lot like scumbuddy protecting.
Combine that with her reluctance to get on the JDodge and Jesus wagons until she saw the writing on the wall and, voila, she's probably scum.

So, lets go ahead and

Unvote, Vote: MiMo

.

[CarnCarn]

Unvote: MiMo

while we talk about this.

I think a 3 person scum group makes the most sense in nightless, which is basically what this is (or has been so far). 4 is pushing it from D1 (small LyLo on D1???).

Edith, if it was only a survivor left alive, why wouldn't they win with us? Why wouldn't we have won already? I don't think survivors are threats to town. Thus, I think there is an Asian godfather/goon left.

I doubt the mafia doctor really had any powers, since my own night abilities are apparently useless. I don't think Belgian Lover had a day protection ability; that would just be strange and overpowering, really.

On to MiMo. I'm not sure what to make of the Geek claim. I think Jesus had a safeclaim, unless he was really making up all the stuff about his flavor saying he wanted to own a restaraunt, which I think is unlikely. Why would MiMo scum claim vanilla from the first post (Geek) instead of a safeclaim? I have to think about this.

[CarnCarn]

Your night powers are useless? Care to explain?

I don't know; I would basically be roleclaiming and I'm not sure if that's really useful.

Jesus also claimed vanilla...

Yeah, but it wasn't what was in the first post. He claimed something different - a character name (Latino).

[CarnCarn]

Yeah, but it wasn't what was in the first post.

Actually, correcting myself, this should say "the

second

post."

[CarnCarn]

Vote: MiMo

; I feel this is a very reasonable lynch and I'm gonna go with my logic over my gut on this one.

[CarnCarn]

Moving on, in case that's not the last scum.

Vote: John Madden

Contributed nothing to either scum lynch (not sure that he has even voted at all this game). Contributed nothing to the efforts of hunting for scum. Yes, he was on V/LA for a while earlier on, but he's not anymore and he still continues his lack of participation.

[CarnCarn]

With 6 alive, I believe it's 4 to lynch. I shall thus

Vote: John Madden

I believe that is L-1, unless Lassie's vote doesn't count for formatting reasons.

[CarnCarn]

I did an isopost reread of Lassie, teh furreh, and homoscot and I think teh furreh is most likely to be scum at this point.

homoscot was absent most of D1, but he kept his random vote on Belgian Lover the whole day (intentionally or not it's hard to say given how inactive he was). But, he did push pretty strongly for a Jesus lynch over a MiMo lynch early on in the days that followed, so I give him plus points for that. Overall, strongly leaning town in my view.

Lassie is harder to read accurately. Starts off the serious part of D1 by unvoting his random vote on Jesus (who had 3 votes at the time, leading wagon), then getting on my wagon which Belgian Lover and Jesus were on. At first, it might look really scummy, but I seriously doubt all 3 scum would be voting for me on D1. So, I guess, paradoxically, it would give him town points. Later on in the game, he preferred to lynch MiMo over Jesus, then there was actually a point where we failed to lynch Jesus because he "forgot" to vote him before deadline. Overall, neutral/slightly scummy read on him.

teh furreh was pretty much absent towards the end of D1. He defended me against Jebus' random wagoning of me, then kept attacking Jebus in later days, too. However, he didn't leave behind ANY thoughts about Belgian Lover and wasn't voting for him. However, his post 264 is worrisome in retrospect:

Jesus is looking a little better now, but on the other hand MiMo is getting increasingly scummy. She has yet to explain her actions, and her voting Jesus is iffy, especially since she says it's gut. Not really helping, MiMo, not really helping.

Unvote: Jesus
Vote: MiMo

Because he doesn't say at all why Jesus is "looking a little better", and he simply jumped to put MiMo at L-1. Of the three, he seems most likely to be scum.

[CarnCarn]

OK with massnameclaim idea.

[CarnCarn]

*chirp chirp*

Either way is OK for me.

[CarnCarn]

Well, that's everyone except SC, who we haven't heard from. I believe he's having issues with moving, etc., so not sure if he's still around.

I'd like him to go first in massclaim, then we can do popcorn (or something else if you wish).

[CarnCarn]

Good point. MME can be Claimmaker.

[CarnCarn]

um, so... should we still wait or move forward with the claiming? MME who would you pick next?

[CarnCarn]

k... who's next?

[CarnCarn]

Well, with StrangerCoug absent, I think I'll just go ahead and claim. I am the White Guy, and my class schedule is ligher than those of everyone else so I'm not in school as much. Basically, I am an Odd Nights Commuter.

I win when the school is safe.

The easiest way to find out if Scot's telling the truth: someone must have a bullet, lest his role be useless. Bullet person: I recommend giving it a try, unless you're a one-shot. (Which is likely based on the lack of day-kills).

This is why I was so confused about the lack of night kills, especially after JDodge turned up as Mafia Doctor. I don't know if anyone has a bullet, if anyone does, it would have to be SC, by process of elimination.

At the same time, given the similarity between scot's role and mine, I'm not sure what to make of the situation. I'm still thinking that StrangerCoug is most likely to be scum.

[CarnCarn]

V/LA until 2/25, as the sig reads.

[CarnCarn]

Fourthly, going to drop a minor bomb, which might take away a feature from us, but has anyone else received an event?

What? I haven't.

I believe Collie's claim. As claiming that would be quite the limb to go off on.

Any reason? He could just be scum himself trying to scare us into not lynching him.

Pardon me as I think aloud - 9 players in this game, and there are 3 scum (at least). If Lassie's claim is believed, then town loses with 2 mislynches (his lynch and a townie lynch, which would make the town-scum ratio 1:1). However, his claim can be verified by lynching him, so I guess that makes it a bit more believable (b/c I don't think scum would lie about something that can be verified). We can lynch Lassie, and if he's telling the truth and he revives, then we lynch him again because he's scum. So, I guess, in the end, I'm willing to believe his claim.

[CarnCarn]

Vote: scotmany

gut says his claim is fake. I think the last scum is between me and him (based on the ethnic twist to this game), and I know it's not me, so it's gotta be him.

[CarnCarn]

come on guys... I'm willing to lynch SC and scot, in that order, today if it means getting a lynch.

Or should we only lynch one person today, in case the mafia have a bullet?

[CarnCarn]

roleclaims: we all massclaimed on the last page

My Milked Eek: pie_is_good (modconfirmed townie)
Anticollie: Vampire Kid (vanilla with traitorish aspect)
scotmany2: Token Black Guy (bulletproof townie)
StrangerCoug/dahill1: Geek (vanilla townie)
CarnCarn: White Kid (odd-nights commuter)

nicknames might get confusing when you're reading through the thread, so here is a list to keep them straight (while many are obvious enough):

Belgian Lover: JDodge
Carny: CarnCarn
Edith: My Milked Eek
Jesus: Jebus
John Madden: pickemgenius
homoscot: scotmany2
Lassie: Anticollie
MiMo: Mitey Mouse
teh furreh: StrangerCoug

[CarnCarn]

Lassie, what happens if you get lynched? If you choose to become mafia, then you'll still be around, right? Would you be back this period or next?

[CarnCarn]

Also:

About the event, I'll clarify when more players have answered.

No one else has answered, but if anyone else had, I would have expected them to answer it by now.
Are you going to clarify now?

[CarnCarn]

Well, I don't know of anyone else being able to send notes, so SC's "Geek" claim comes into question because he's not actually a vanilla like that role PM says (on the first page). Also, he didn't mention that ability during massclaim, or explain what may have triggered that power.

dahill1, what do you say to that?