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Because I am super townie :good:In post 128, MathBlade wrote:
Not liking this vote from Meg.In post 122, MegAzumarill wrote:
EBWOPIn post 121, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: Momo
First serious wagon of the game should be here
Only 3 posts so far (which is NAI) but 1 is an rvs vote, 1 gives lamist vibes, and the other feels like poor logic because it wasn't reasoned out and was just wanting to look solvey.
Nagl when Jackson Virgo has less posts and just an RVS vote.
So why momo over JV?
On a serious note a lot has been happening unexpectedly such as flash flooding in my area and planning my sister moving in with me. I do apologize but I will post when I can.
I have been skimming the game but I will go through once more and post more in depth but Toog seems like town that doesn't know how to towntepp well to me at first glance. Do not have any other reads worthy of being calked out prior to my recatchup-
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Lmaoo I was gonna say the same thingIn post 139, Toogeloo wrote:
Maybe JV will "vig" me again.In post 136, MathBlade wrote:I mean hell at this point with how obstinate Toog is being they’d make a great vig shot.-
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VOTE: Mala no
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I am going to be viewing this game, from the start with a serious mindset. Even for the posts in meme-phase as catching up from the start, I find it hard to differentiate between what is memephase and what is not.
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You whatIn post 302, Malakittens wrote:Right ok because your naked
Vote on me makes a lot of sesnse when there’s other content you chose to ignore-
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"naked". I vited u bcuz that post was almost certainly forced. And I dont have context about the game cuz I onl6 y skim when I can.In post 307, Malakittens wrote:
I disliked the naked vote that you placed on me.In post 304, JacksonVirgo wrote:
You whatIn post 302, Malakittens wrote:Right ok because your naked
Vote on me makes a lot of sesnse when there’s other content you chose to ignore
And all of a sudden now you’re voting Greeting with me.
Just suscipion
I am voting with you because of you at all. I just think they are scum and if they arent. You or math-
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You getting roused up by what u call a naked vote from someone that was not posting makes me believe I was right to vote you. We shall see. Greeting is a better elim from what Ive seen up to but I want you dead by endgame.-
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This is saying nothing. Literally just fluff as a defence. Its obvious I wouldnt elim a near conftown. Yet you are not and I get no hint that you ever will be.In post 311, Malakittens wrote:Good luck with getting me dead by endgame. Once I become transparently town it’s impossible for it to happen unless it’s done by scum.-
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Of course you'll find it sus. Omgus is a concept that existsIn post 312, Malakittens wrote:I’m not really getting worked up. I’m just finding it sus. There’s a difference between trying to sort you vs scared by one vote. (Hint: I’m not even nervous at all)
As I said in a Discord mafia game. If you are Town, you knoe you are town and thus a case against you always looks like its wrong. In your case you seem ti be taking it as I am scummy for doing so either becaysr you are scum defensing yourself or yoy are town thinking its too stupid and thus scum. When its neither.-
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I what nowIn post 320, MathBlade wrote:Mala doesn’t vote Jackson yet says Jackson’s vote is sus.
Instead she keeps it on Greeting.
Thereby she does and doesn’t want Greeting to flip.
Jackson defends Mala finding it sus. Instead of trying to sort her.
That defense is rather sickening tbh.
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I am not defendiny their slot. What. I was assuming them as town when stating that because if they are town I dont w ant them reading me falsely as scum. Your comprehension skills seem lacklustre, that or opportunisticIn post 322, MathBlade wrote:
This is a defense of MalaIn post 316, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Of course you'll find it sus. Omgus is a concept that existsIn post 312, Malakittens wrote:I’m not really getting worked up. I’m just finding it sus. There’s a difference between trying to sort you vs scared by one vote. (Hint: I’m not even nervous at all)
As I said in a Discord mafia game. If you are Town, you knoe you are town and thus a case against you always looks like its wrong. In your case you seem ti be taking it as I am scummy for doing so either becaysr you are scum defensing yourself or yoy are town thinking its too stupid and thus scum. When its neither.
“Of course you’ll find it sus” It’s about propping her thoughts up as valid versus analyzing her slot.-
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5o was mispelling of "to".In post 326, MathBlade wrote:
Because momo is scum who didn’t claim on E-1?In post 325, JacksonVirgo wrote:Why would I be on momo. What have I said that would have me seem 5o want to be on them over greeting. Did you not read my posts at all.
Mala is my second interchangeable with yourself
I don’t know what the rest of that means what’s a 5o?
I read your posts. Greeting doesn’t seem sus and seems a name picked at random.
I call absolute bs on you reading my posts because of you did you would have known I haven't fully caught up so I had no clue momo was wagoned to E-1. I also have told my reasonings for my read on Greetings, but from your wording I assume you believe that your reads are final and all others are just random.
Oh but you definitely read my posts. Quit lying.-
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Its more complicated than just keeping it to yourself. As keeping it to yourself can also lead to it being used against youIn post 375, Greeting wrote:
I'm sorry, you brought it up?In post 359, Malakittens wrote:Ok you don’t know me greeting and I can promise you I don’t use mental health to toy with peoples feeling. I have lost s/o due to spiraling into depression. I have also lost friends and a job due to it as well.
So please let me know when you walk a week in my shoes and then tell me I shit on mental health when majorly of people in my field suffer mental health issues secondary to try to help others.
Either way im done with this conversation.
The moment you bring up your real life insecurities and issues they become part of the game. If you don't want people to use them against you then keep them to yourself. I'm not sorry for playing towards my winning goal, and in case you're wondering what it is, that's looking for liars and manipulators, which also includes emotional blackmailers.-
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Awfully silent? I believe Ive given my reads up to the point Ive read up to. Havent read throuh the night bcuz I hate doing it during night phaesIn post 383, MathBlade wrote:
Can you give me your reads please? You’ve been awfully silent on reads and it would help out a great deal.In post 377, JacksonVirgo wrote:Fwiw I think retrospectively that wasn't a good wagon from the moment they didn't claim. Not that I caught that at the time but it's quite sad-
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Cuz Im such a chadIn post 384, Malakittens wrote:Of all the players Math, why JV?-
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Are you like purposefully being dense?
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What is even happenint lmao. I have said my reads from where I am up to. If u wanna get upset at me for not reading later do that dont make up bullshit that I didnt say my readsIn post 407, MathBlade wrote:I just doubt you’ll see a read from Jackson ever but I hope he proves me wrong.-
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I would like this answered too owoIn post 429, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I don't think anything has pinged me about them so far. Is there a reason why you're hyper focused on them?In post 413, MathBlade wrote:Anyone TR Jackson?-
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It was a joke claim lmao. Do you not see that N1 Novice is redundant and Vig Doc is also redundant. Didnt think this was hard to understandIn post 437, MathBlade wrote:
I am actually a vigilante doctor. Not quite a vig but same effect. Because I didn’t believe Jackson’s claim and thought he was rolefishing I poisoned him (which is a delayed vig) and he will die on a set night. No I won’t say which night. If scum want to save him they will have to make a case and I can stop the effect.In post 299, JacksonVirgo wrote:I claim N1 Novice Vigilante-Doctor. :D
I am pretty much a Joat with (redacted), poisoner, unpoisoner.
The risk is minimal if Jackson truthtold as N1 and Novice are contradictory.
Because I was a Joat I figured it a safe enough risk considering I am a Joat.
So if anyone townreads Jackson now’s the time. I was giving him and everyone else every opportunity to see if he should live.
Because Jackson didn’t want momo elimmed I felt it’s a pretty good elim.
That being said Toog’s reaction was terrible
VOTE: Toog-
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Incorrect except maybe Toog. Ur early reads were not spot on. U were 2 wrong once momo flipped yet ur ego is holding on super strongIn post 445, MathBlade wrote:
Also damn I was right.In post 46, MathBlade wrote:
Momo and Roden is probably TvT.In post 43, Roden wrote:
You're right, sorry.In post 42, momo wrote:This is the fifth vote on Toog. Bringing someone to L-2 on post 37 without so much as a comment (even just one saying that it's L-2) is not the best look.
VOTE: Momo
This is E-5.
I really just think my early reads are spot on and it’s Toog + JV + 1-
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Dont bother I am dying tonight owoIn post 470, Greeting wrote:Your claim sounds believable. As for JacksonVirgo, I'll need to look into that slot, because my focus in this game has been completely elsewhere.-
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What does that have to do with my postIn post 479, Toogeloo wrote:
Math is probably town. A 91° triangle, but still town.In post 473, JacksonVirgo wrote:Might as well claim. VT but that isnt surprising owo. Kill me daddy uwu-
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Having no scum reads at this point in the game is suspectIn post 495, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Basically this-
Town
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Mala
MegA, Vander
Jackson, Strange, Toog, wave -- the idk tier
dwlee, Greeting
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VOTE: Cat scratch nah this is scum. Voting a LHF, has no reads and then puts a retraction/safety net notice when they voted so they can get oit of a town flip easier.
I still dont like Greeting but I thini thats just their personality-
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Agreed
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I am confused by ur triple negative. Do you agree?In post 510, Toogeloo wrote:
I had a suspicion based on Day 1 activity. I don't not disagree with your reasoning though.In post 509, JacksonVirgo wrote:Do you reciprocate my reasoning at all though-
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There is a simple explanation, which I thought basic comprehension skills would cover but I guess not, I don't care about the game as much as day 1 because I am being killed by Math. I don't care if you are like "Town would try anyway blah blah", that's an ideal and I am not the type of person to give two shits about a game I am being taken out of from almost the start, without even catching up fully of day 1. I didIn post 518, Greeting wrote:I think JacksonVirgo is a potential candidate and had you not poisoned them, I would have been quite willing to vote them out too. But since that happened, I think it's just about enough to say that you don't need to cure them and we just wait for them to die. There's a noticeable contrast between their behavior in Day 1 and Day 2. In Day 1 he contributed a lot and in Day 2 he's just posting absolute nonsense. If I were town in that position, I would probably be doing my best to either convince you to cure me or if that's not possible, at least give town something to analyse after my death. I think their reaction to being poisoned is an attempt to make everyone think that they don't care and so an attempt at reverse psychology. I say we just wait it out, perhaps that's the second scum we're looking for.notcontribute a lot day 1, saying so is either false recollection or just straight lies for the sake of trying to make a case against me.
I do not care what you would or would not do as Town, I am not you and you are not me. Stop pushing your own ideals onto other people, and if you stop to actually read the gamestate or the actual personalities/mindsets of the players. You would know Math is tunnel-visioned on his supposed "day 1 solve". Even with 33% of that solve being wrong, proven by the town-flip, he still says he is fully confident on that solve. Proves that he is tunnel-visioned and thus nothing I can do can stop his ego from taking over actual logic. I've been and done this a thousand times, I am not fighting a fight I am destined to lose (not claiming scum, if you want to take my words out of context).-
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Oh I just assumed tonight, my bad.In post 525, Greeting wrote:
How do you know you're dying tonight?In post 472, JacksonVirgo wrote: Dont bother I am dying tonight owoMathBladedid not specify when you're going to die.
In post 437, MathBlade wrote: I am actually a vigilante doctor. Not quite a vig but same effect. Because I didn’t believe Jackson’s claim and thought he was rolefishing I poisoned him (which is a delayed vig) and he will dieon a set night. No I won’t say which night. If scum want to save him they will have to make a case and I can stop the effect.-
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I seriously do not care that you believe games of online mafia should be played by emotionless robots that do nothing but play optimally irregardless of how human mindsets actually work in practice. The moment you insinuated I was not playing towards the town win-condition is the moment I know that you are not reading the game.In post 535, Greeting wrote:
Oh look, I thought I was unlucky to have been emotionally blackmailed by one player and yet here we go again. Let me approach this in other way.In post 527, JacksonVirgo wrote:
There is a simple explanation, which I thought basic comprehension skills would cover but I guess not, I don't care about the game as much as day 1 because I am being killed by Math. I don't care if you are like "Town would try anyway blah blah", that's an ideal and I am not the type of person to give two shits about a game I am being taken out of from almost the start, without even catching up fully of day 1. I didnotcontribute a lot day 1, saying so is either false recollection or just straight lies for the sake of trying to make a case against me.
I do not care what you would or would not do as Town, I am not you and you are not me. Stop pushing your own ideals onto other people, and if you stop to actually read the gamestate or the actual personalities/mindsets of the players. You would know Math is tunnel-visioned on his supposed "day 1 solve". Even with 33% of that solve being wrong, proven by the town-flip, he still says he is fully confident on that solve. Proves that he is tunnel-visioned and thus nothing I can do can stop his ego from taking over actual logic. I've been and done this a thousand times, I am not fighting a fight I am destined to lose (not claiming scum, if you want to take my words out of context).
Is it an unrealistic ideal that I am expecting and looking for or is it just... playing towards the town win condition? If you're town how do your current actions help town right now? If they are not helping town because you just don't care then why is it so unreasonable for others to think that is actually scum pretending to not care in order to avoid getting killed?
This is a repeat of theMalakittensaffair. And the argument is eerily similar and has a similar point where it directly relates to being consistent.
Mini Theme 2260 has recently come to an end. I played in that game. It had a really pretty, but extremely confusing theme. I did not vibe with the theme nor the players much and ended up being eliminated for it Day 1. I did not care at all that game and I was town. I was bad town. I did not do well, my performance in that game did not help my team. But I was consistent in that.
I believe that 303 and 306 were valid contributions to the game. You were argumentative and afterwards stood your ground. That is how I see it. The gamesolving mindset there contrasts with your behavior in Day 2.
So no, I'm not making stuff up and refusing to see that being poisoned can lead to being unmotivated. I just find that the contradiction increases your likelihood of being scum. Someone who appears to want to play, but then does a complete 180 because a player claimed to have poisoned them with a delay could be a scum strategy to appear to not care in order to makeMathBladedoubt their judgement.
Just because my content is not similar to day 1 does not mean that I am acting against my win-condition. I am not stupid, but I also do not have the motivation to play a game to my highest effort when I am about to die, well this was mainly when I thought I was dying tonight.
I have done many things today that are towards my win-condition.
- I am actively not creating a 1v1 between MathBlade and I for multiple reasons. This is a great deal of difficulty for me as I tend to retaliate easily, especially as of late but me doing so will hurt town more than it could save.
- I have still given my reads which I get from still reading the game with the intent to find scum. But I am by no means motivated, nor do I feel I am qualified as I do not have the full background knowledge of the game to join into current in-depth discussions.
- I know for a fact that MathBlade is in a state of ego-tunnelling and that fighting against that is useless if he has the power to kill me alone, I am dying and even if I do get out of it, everything I have done to this point will leave me as elim-bait later in the game which I know is not likely going to change because all my town games where I get suspected early on all end the same.
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And by not reading the game, I don't mean literally. I mean you are not actively trying to form deeper comprehension on why people are doing/saying what they are. Rather, you are putting yourself into what people are doing/saying which will almost always lead to falsely-lead results irregardless if they are coincidentally correct or not.-
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I did give reads you just choose to ignore it.In post 544, MathBlade wrote:In post 536, JacksonVirgo wrote:I know for a fact that MathBlade is in a state of ego-tunnelling and that fighting against that is useless if he has the power to kill me alone, I am dying and even if I do get out of it, everything I have done to this point will leave me as elim-bait later in the game which I know is not likely going to change because all my town games where I get suspected early on all end the same.
?? How am I ego tunneling
You didn’t give reads D1?
I poisoned you for claiming my role?
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1. Didn't guess it was a jokeIn post 543, MathBlade wrote:
Because I don’t think he as VT manages to guess two of my joat powers.In post 538, Malakittens wrote:Math why not toog over Jv?
Also if greeting is scum; a potential partner would prob be someone I’m null reading. I don’t really have the greatest grasp on a lot of players this game tbh
So I think it’s best elim Toog and let Jackson die
I will read arguments later to see if they can explain that.
2. How would scum!me guess it on day 1.
Again. Ur consumed by ego-
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1. It isn't. It was a joke role I made with Worst when I was still active here. It also came up in my brain because of memories of the previous bwg game where I fakeclaimed it to.bus Toog. Or are you selectively forgetting that game too?In post 548, MathBlade wrote:1. Unlikely. That’s too specific
2. Informed.
Even if I am tunnelled that isn’t because ego? This is a very weird path Jackson.
And I agree Dwlee Toog is more active as town.
2. Ever heard of occams razor? Nah u just wanna tunnel-
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Also it is in part ego as you still thibk ur solve is even remotely correct and forcibly making a path that ends in that false end resultIn post 548, MathBlade wrote:1. Unlikely. That’s too specific
2. Informed.
Even if I am tunnelled that isn’t because ego? This is a very weird path Jackson.
And I agree Dwlee Toog is more active as town.-
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I am going to put this in as much detail as I can possibly do so that you can understand why what you are doing is ego-tunnelling and that I feel this discussion is stupid as I do not think that resolving this with me dying is a bad thing either. I also am extremely frustrated with you completely ignoring every single thing I say that goes against your case, enough where I do feel you are scum to my entire core but I also know this read is up in the air because I tend to scum-read out of anger rather than out of actual logic. My death will also solve your role, and I trust others to solve you beyond that and I am not reliable emotionally enough to do so.
Day one you had a scum-read on momo, and if I recall correctly you believed them to be almost confirmed scum due to them actively deciding to not claim when they were placed onto E-1. While I was catching up, I voted who I currently thought was scum in which was the moment you started thinking I was scum alongside them for not having the same read as you. This was the start of where you are making reads based onto either complete ego, or you are scum trying to make cases on those without actual reason. The core of this read was flawed, not only because momo was evidently Town, but also I was not even finished catching up with the game which was obvious if you had any sense of the game-state regarding me specifically. When I tried to peacefully resolve this flawed read/assumption, you continuously decide toignorewhat I said. Continuously claiming that I had no reads etc, when I kept disproving that you chose to either actively ignore out of either ego, or out of scum trying to form an active negative reputation of myself, this was the moment where I started finding you repulsive but that's not part of the discussion.
From what I see, and feel free to inform me if this was not the case and why, these are your overall cases on me for being scum and why I think they are stupid in as simple terms as I can possibly do.
- I did not reciprocate the momo read when I was not even caught up to the moment where I even knew they were a serious wagon.
- I claimed a role similar to your own. You decide to immediately assume I am informed scum that is role-baiting. If you know the Occams Razor argument, you should probably know that forming an entire read based off of this is naive and prone to confirmation bias and tunnel-visioning. It takes the assumptions that I am scum as well as an informed role as well as informed specifically about your role and ballsy enough to openly bait a killing role into revealing themselves when I could get killed for doing so. It could be a perspective issue which I am failing to see because I do not know your exact role, or that I am only seeing you as either scum or stupid.
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Reason I am trying to convince you to not be stupid is because you are claiming a killing role and as it currently stands I think you are the worst possible person to have received that role, assuming you are actually what you claim and I want to minimise the damage that you do.-
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It's obvious you have reads. I am referring to you having no scum-reads at all.In post 558, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Have no reads? That’s just straight up untrue. It’s true that I have no confident reads, but I think anyone who does at this point in the game is just very confident by nature or lying.In post 499, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: Cat scratch nah this is scum. Voting a LHF, has no reads and then puts a retraction/safety net notice when they voted so they can get oit of a town flip easier.
I still dont like Greeting but I thini thats just their personality-
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It's easy for scum to have town-reads, and harder to have scum-reads. That's why I see scum sitting on the fence a lot, afraid to make a move in fear of retaliation or backfire. Nothing you are doing is convincing me that this isn't the case.