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I is top of the list and I is first poster
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And as of now I'm alos the top poster, the only poster, and a monkey imposter all at one
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Looking at players list I have my first townread. TOOGELOO!
Every single time I've played this guy he was TOWN, so I guess I'll go with it for as long as it lasts.
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Someone has better come and take the mic or I may end up with an uninterrupted sequence of "Almost50 posts"
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@Radical Rat: I see you're on. How about a full read list for starters? I always like dramatic ice-breakers.
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Eugh! I'm bored. I'll be watching a video on youtube until someone hopefully shows up (so I can leave them alone and go to sleep)
P-edit: Why, HELLO!
Come watch this video with me
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P-edit: Nathann. Love you too. Don't watch that video. I rented it to have a good time with Cat. Besides, you don't have an animal in you avi
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I don't think so. maybe if I was a very little monkey and she was a very hungry cat but that's just me speculating
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Yeah, I love playing with you (Toog) because I always end up with one less slot to try and guess what their alignment might be.
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@Cat: Do you seriously believe that claim? I thought it was an obvious troll (the "I flip as both town and mafia" at least)
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Why another Miller?
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You want to share it with me now or is it better to wait for post-game?In post 23, Toogeloo wrote:Cat Scratch, Andante, and Rad Rat probably understand why I'm laughing in real life right now over A50's opening posts..
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@Toog: Right. Got ya!
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Fixed that for you. We don't use the L word on this site anymore.In post 41, Nordom wrote:Also, because it'd have investigative roles to avoid the claim entirely, as well as a low prioritylynchlim (elimination) target.
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viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6470In post 43, Nordom wrote:VOTE: Almost 50
You hearing this guy? Lim sounds like some energy drink you pick up at a chinese airport.
Check rule #13 my friend. I was just trying to save you before the mod intervenes.
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VOTE: Radical Rat
Serious vote. RRwas onlineat the time this thread was open (check my post #9. They didn't bother dropping by to say hi even and now they're gone. I don't like that and have a feeling they are scum who checked in in the scum PT and decided to avoid the main thread.
If I want to stretch it I'd suggest Ircher has rolled scum once more The early massclaim only serves to give the scum ideas about what to fake claim.
Knowing who's madding the game I can't tell if there's a standard 10-3 distribution or not. Anything is possible with Meg, so I'll just leave it at that
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VOTE: RodenIn post 63, Roden wrote:
It's in my role name and ability description. The sample Role PMs also make it clear what they've been fused with.In post 56, Nathann wrote:
Uh, my role PM did not tell me what my pick was fused with. Yours did?In post 54, Roden wrote:
This is a lie but that's fine because you're probably town.In post 51, Nathann wrote:
I may be, I don't know what I am a fusion of.In post 48, Roden wrote:Are you a fusion of Miller and Godfather?
that's one bad slip, my friend. ONLY SCUM know what their pick has been fused with.
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In post 1, MegAzumarill wrote:Your pick was "Bus Driver,"", you know it was combined with "Paranoid Gun Owner.as a non-town player
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Oh! You read those?? (but secretly )In post 66, Toogeloo wrote:
Its in the rules.In post 62, Almost50 wrote:Knowing who's madding the game I can't tell if there's a standard 10-3 distribution or not. Anything is possible with Meg, so I'll just leave it at that
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He doesn't think it. He knows it. Read on.In post 67, Nathann wrote:Why do you think I'm probably town despite lying?
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Personally I would have guessed Mirror if the mod didn't explicitly day PGOIn post 92, Roden wrote:What role is naturally Reflexive?
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I believe he was referring to the second one with "reflexive", Town got fused with Vig, scum got fused with PGO (according to mod) but I would have guessed Mirror because it's more fitting (Mirror makes you use the ability used on you on the user reflexively.. do unto them as they do unto you)
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The Mafia SAMPLE Role PM speaks of a reflexive role that makes a player targeting the scum target themselves instead. The keyword is "reflexive". For Roden he claims his first thought would be PGO 9and apparently Flea also thought it). For me I would have thought Mirror was the "reflexive role" because the player ended up using their ability on themselves which is basically what a Mirror does. Uses the ability directed at them on the player originally using that ability on them.In post 105, Nordom wrote:
What does "Mirror" have to do with anything with what Roden posted?In post 102, Almost50 wrote:I believe he was referring to the second one with "reflexive", Town got fused with Vig, scum got fused with PGO (according to mod) but I would have guessed Mirror because it's more fitting (Mirror makes you use the ability used on you on the user reflexively.. do unto them as they do unto you)
The reason I would think Mirror over PGO is that the player targeting the PGO should always dies, not target themselves.
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A Mirror is a role that passively deflects all actions that target the Mirror back onto the player who used the action. (from the wiki), so I guess the fusion of a BD+PGO=Mirror in Meg's view?? *Shrug*
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@Roden: How do you read Ircher's call for an early massclaim of what everybody submitted?
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I'm on and off, yes (but I will be off after this post). I laid a case, people decided I am likely correct. You made your defense. People are entitled to decide whether they are convinced/satisfied. It's not like I am a 7x voter. I also made cases on both RR and Ircher. If you are town you should be more concerned about analyzing your wagon and deciding who is more likely to be scum sheeping town on town. I am not 100% in you (or anyone else this early) but I think I got something. If I misunderstood your words then try to explain them better.. not to me but to all of us who think that was s cum slip that you are now trying to remedy.In post 120, Roden wrote:A50 literally just asked me a question. He's definitely around.
Let me direct you to where the problem started even before that "slip":
You asked Nathann if their role was a result of a fusion between Miller and GF. They said they didn't know what the "other" role their pick was fused with is. You then both called them a liar and declared them town. Then you said "The sample Role PMs also make it clear what they've been fused with."In post 64, Almost50 wrote:
VOTE: RodenIn post 63, Roden wrote:
It's in my role name and ability description. The sample Role PMs also make it clear what they've been fused with.In post 56, Nathann wrote:
Uh, my role PM did not tell me what my pick was fused with. Yours did?In post 54, Roden wrote:
This is a lie but that's fine because you're probably town.In post 51, Nathann wrote:
I may be, I don't know what I am a fusion of.In post 48, Roden wrote:Are you a fusion of Miller and Godfather?
that's one bad slip, my friend. ONLY SCUM know what their pick has been fused with.
My problemS: Nathann had already claimed their role. If you thought you can "deduce" the other role from the description you should have been able to do it yourself (to Nathann's role). You did come up with a suggestion even. BUT.. you called him a liar and asserted the Role PM made it clear. Mine doesn't and obviously many others agree theirs don't. So I took it that you were referring to the explicit mention of the other pick which only appears on Scum Role PMs and not the Town's. Furthermore; you declared Nathann a townie for no good reason UNLESS you knew it. Why does a Miller claim make Nathann town? And why did you accuse them of lying? And -if true- why is a townie lying about that specific detail?
Let me reiterate: If you came up with a guess and that's what you meant then why even expect Nathann to know better? Why are you calling them a liar? They described their role and said they didn't know because it wasn't mentioned in their role PM. It thus implies you in fact meant the explicit mention of it and wanted them to confirm the "Godfather" part. Problem is such confirmation only existed in the Scum Role PM. If that's not what you meant then you couldn't have called Nathann a liar to begin with. The why you called them town bit is a bonus.
Now if you're town please don't be impulsive. Please reread this post once more and try to comprehend each word. Once you've fully digested my train of thought then (and only then) please try to respond to my points one by one so that I may also try to see it from your PoV. If you're scum though I couldn't care less what you do or how you respond because my job is to catch scum (i.e. nothing personal).
Here we go again. They literally don't. You have to guess it. You yourself said you used keywords and searched the wiki which doesn't exactly sound like "literally telling you your fusion". If it literally did then why the hell would you need keywords and search?In post 120, Roden wrote:Ability descriptions matter because they literally tell you your fusion.
Over.. and out for now
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I don't mind that either, but I don't want to switch before I'm satisfied with the answer. I do not want to go round and round in circles all day, so I'm taking things one case at a time.
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Goodnight everyone
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It's a meme on reference to a previous game which I hate to even bring up memories of. In other words it's NAI and it's not even AtEIn post 125, Nordom wrote:But their "don't elim me" comment gave me a bit of pause. Is this a player who would appeal to emotion so early on at page 4-5 or whatever?
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mate, you're reading something and registering it as something else in your mind. Let me help you:In post 153, Nathann wrote:At first I thought that Roden was doing a weird reaction test on me by asking me if I'm a Miller/Godfather combo. 63 was pretty clear to me, though, "the role name and description make it easy to guess what you were fused with". I don't think my role description does that, however I do think that the sample role PMs do make it relatively easy to make a guess, maybe not the exact one, but close enough.
Where is the word "guess" here? I even tried to suggest that's what he meant and his response wasIn post 63, Roden wrote:It's in my role name and ability description. The sample Role PMs also make it clear what they've been fused with.
Which is precisely why I think it's a slip.
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Yes, obviously you did.In post 188, Nordom wrote:Alright, so somewhere in my broken brain I had confused Almost's post with Ircher's, even though I had ended up voting Ircher not too long before my vote on Almost50. I've been charging in pretty haphazardly like a wine drunk aunt, so let me take a step back.
Not only had you specifically unvoted Ircher before voting me here, I took the liberty to add the link to the post number you provided. I can't for the life of me imagine how you managed to confuse me with Ircher based on this post of yours alone.In post 127, Nordom wrote:UNVOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Almost50
Read Almost's post 122 and decide if that was a genuine town post.
But.. yeah.. go on..
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@Roden: No disrespect but your phrasing sucks and your defense is bad and I have no idea how you wanted things to play out for you in this manner. The only thing working for you now is the name of your role (and even that isn't conclusive in a themed game).
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Does this bring back some of your motivation to try and "play Mafia"??
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That's what I thought it was, but I strongly disagree with the useless part. If he is (a) Town, (b) Vengeful then no scum is going to hammer him now. If he is a GS Scum want him dead ASAP. So, while we may not get useful results from him he can be the Mafia's problem for the night and then we see.In post 209, Radical Rat wrote:Roden, if I'm interpreting your claim correctly, that's a Vengeful Gunsmith, which... Is entirely useless.
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In post 210, Radical Rat wrote:Also I will say that my role name was definitely not just the two fusion materials smashed together, but idk how consistent the naming conventions are going to be here
Likewise. If I didn't have the description to explain I wouldn't have known what my ability really does.In post 211, Galron wrote:My role name is, likewise, pretty straightforward. There aren't two roles smushed into one name.
Roden, you say it's difficult to figure out what a Vengesmith is. If it isn't a vengeful gunsmith, what is it.
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Well, alright hen.. this is a good lead I think. Can everyone else state whether their role follows the "name fusion" suggested by Roden or not?
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What fishing? I only said to state whether your role follows Roden's or mine/Galron's/RR's name rule. Could you tell what your ability did by just reading the NAME of your role without the description? I didn't ask anyone to actually say what the role did nor even what it's called. Now how is that fishing?In post 215, Flea The Magician wrote:A50 you play good then you drop a fishing line... Never know what you make of you like this.
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And the reason I'm asking is because we stand at 3-1 now. If everybody else confirms their roles names didn't follow a straightforward fusion as Roden's then Roden is most likely faking
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True. Because I had you locked as Scum with at least 95% certainty. Now I'm trying to convince myself you may be Town andIn post 218, Roden wrote:You never once attacked my phrasing to begin with until now, so you can stop pretending like that was an issue.only if this is the casedoes your phrasing become shitty beyond words can say.
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VOTE: Roden
Enough BS. If you're town and believe that I'm scum then fine. You'd have ruined the game TWICE for the town so it won't be just your phrasing but your reads suck too.
If you're scum though then I can take being the venge target over another -more important- town role. I only unvoted because in my mind I confused Vengeful with Supersaint. That's why I said "no scum is going to hammer"
L-1 I believe.
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What information exactly do scum get from this? Enlighten meIn post 225, Ircher wrote:I think that's a terrible idea because it gives scum a lot of information.
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Listen, if you're scum I'm done talking to you. If you're town you're not worth talking to you even. Either way I'm done talking to you and my vote is cemented on you.In post 232, Roden wrote:
Where. You keep saying but won't give examples.In post 230, Almost50 wrote:
True. Because I had you locked as Scum with at least 95% certainty. Now I'm trying to convince myself you may be Town andIn post 218, Roden wrote:You never once attacked my phrasing to begin with until now, so you can stop pretending like that was an issue.only if this is the casedoes your phrasing become shitty beyond words can say.
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I did. For a short period I confused Vengeful with Supersaint and thought the hammerer dies thus we were guaranteed to lose a townie there because scum won't hammer.In post 237, Nordom wrote:Almost, what exactly changed from your unvote to now? Also, you haven't really clarified why you unvoted in the first place.
Then I remembered the difference AND reconsidered the situation. If Roden was truly a Town Vengeful and honestly suspected me he would not have claimed it. The claim now sounds more of am attempt to deter people from voting him rather than a truthful one. Furthermore four people have come forward to confirm the roles they received didn't have their titles fused the way Roden suggested his did, so all things considered Roden did in fact scumslip and everything he did since was an attempt to recover from it including the odd fake claim
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And if any submitted GS or got fused a VengefulIf anything, Roden bringing that up suggests he is trying to out either.DO NOT CLAIM IT.
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If that's the case so be itIn post 238, Enchant wrote:Your Vengekill works on people with Guns?
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Like here's what I think happened: Roden did scumslip/ He then tried to back pedal it but that didn't work. He had to come up with a fake claim that matches what he said. The only problem is it doesn't match how anyone else's role got it's name, and I don't think Meg treated Roden specifically different.
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What happened to your venge shot on me??In post 244, Roden wrote:A50 continues to shade me even though he admits that he won't engage with me or prove his claims. Can we please just elim him already? He's scum by play and we have a net gain by killing him now.
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Why would anybody kill you when you have already said you're not an investigative??In post 246, Roden wrote:Like A50 is genuinely panicking and is desperate to deal my mis-elim so that his buddies don't have to waste their NK on me.
Look, I'm sorry you rolled scum, and I'm sorry you F'd up. But look at the bright side: At least I won't be avoiding you in future games (which I was considering doing if you were town here)
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You can't have your cake and eat it too. Do you think you live to see the day and kill someone or do you think I want to lim you so my team doesn't waste a NK on you?? At least keep it tidy and uncontradictoryIn post 247, Roden wrote:
I want to get one of your buddies so two scum can die by Day 2.In post 245, Almost50 wrote:
What happened to your venge shot on me??In post 244, Roden wrote:A50 continues to shade me even though he admits that he won't engage with me or prove his claims. Can we please just elim him already? He's scum by play and we have a net gain by killing him now.
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@Enchant: So, you come in to declare Roden's slip not a slip. Then when he fake claims and it nobody responds the way he wanted it you explicitly explain what he was hinting to fish for "roles with guns". The you suggest we can keep caught scum alive for a night so he can use his ability at least once. But of course you're not an accomplice or anything like that, God forbid.
Next please.
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Good answer. Now explain this in light of YOUR answer.In post 251, Roden wrote:Because your red flip makes me conftown and a lategame Venge kill is really strong? How is this even a question.
Man I told you.. you can't have your cake and eat it too.In post 247, Roden wrote:I want to get one of your buddies so two scum can die by Day 2.
Here's a suggestion: Self-hammer and cut down your losses already
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Spoiler: Tribute to Roden
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He didn't. Unless Meg decided Roden was special (in a negati89ve way) and didn't deserve the effort for Meg to figure out a unique name for his role
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Well, I'm off to bed. Too bad I can't stay up to see if Roden does the right thing anytime soon
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I is #1 on D2 too
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That's a definite NO, as I happen to know of at least "one monkey" who wasn't aware of that either.In post 303, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Also was I the only one unaware that our pick would be redacted on flip?
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So it's neither Married nor Single?In post 306, Ircher wrote:It's complicated.
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Self-Hammer. Read my posts before thatIn post 307, Nordom wrote:
I need you to clarify what you meant by "right thing" in regards to RodenIn post 257, Almost50 wrote:Well, I'm off to bed. Too bad I can't stay up to see if Roden does the right thing anytime soon
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Why are yoiu being so negative about LOVE??
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At first I thougt enchant was claiming a guilty on someone, but I reread and found that I was reading something and registering it as a totally different thing
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VOTE: Enchant
Just to keep their role active. I AM NOT PROMOTING A WAGON ON ENCHANT NOR DO I SCUM RED THEM
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