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[cyrus62]

If a doc saves some but person was shot by every one does the person still live.

[cyrus62]

Why kill claimed friendly scum if there's many unfriendly ones?

You say you killed ssbm. And butler most likely shot dun maybe the reason there was only two kills is becuse ma was blocked so maybe we vote ma off have enchant target west . Have loft target strange and have bingel target loft . We would be rid of the unknow of if loft is tow or not still know enchant is scum find out if strange is scum and be rid of west.

[cyrus62]

Aren't west town or you have doubts?

I have doubts becuse last time west and I played this he gave me the benefit of the doubt even though I was scum. This time he isn't even trying to read me.

[cyrus62]

What if ma is bus driver.

[cyrus62]

Huh. I think I know almost every extant role based on crumbs and softclaims. Interesting.

As is, it is more than likely that loft was swapped with me and std saw me investigate enchant. I didn’t die either because enchant isn’t really a pgo or because I was saved by a doc who presumably originally targeted loftwing.

If you was switch with loft wouldn't that mean you hot the result of ma since loft targeted ma . So wouldn't that make ma not town. . But std is saying the tracked loft to enchant.

[cyrus62]

Player A and player B's night actions are unaffected by the bus drive.

Bus driver said in wiki if a is scum and targets c but gets but c gets switch with b then b dies even if b is a's partner. So let's say a is bingel and b is loft c is ma and d is enchant a targeted d and b targeted c but a was switch with b making it to where b targeted and blocked d and a targeted and checked c. . Since loft is roleblock he would have blocked enchant and lived . The bus driver is indeed scum.

[cyrus62]

Bus drivver was on Bingel and Me, not Mama Roo and Enchant. I know this for a fact.

I don't think you get it. Your actions still go though but your targets get switch.

[cyrus62]

How ever loft said he blocked ma and ma claimd to have been blocked unles loft and ma are blue scum. And they came up with this last night. Since a roleblock can visit a pgo is they block the,

[cyrus62]

hmmm . judgeing by the kills and flips one scum group down one sk down one cult down. i wil claim later if need be i would like thoughts. on flips and kills 1st

[cyrus62]

i think i might have a guilty on strange.

[cyrus62]

I knew that dragon of the west guy was acting weird

yet again. i called another scum

[cyrus62]

I am even night jk I locked up strange and that's why bingel and I are alive I realize I am dead tonight but thire is a ww alien which is light blue scum and cult . We know cult is dead . We know scum lost 2 . Cult is dead. 1 alien is gone . We also know there was a 3p aka sk enchant . So we may or may not have 3 left and we only had a 2 kills one scum and one alien we may only have 1 scum left to vote off and I think it was strange. I think the only reason bingel lived was becuse I locked up strange.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: strange remember I said mass claim day3 I went I now pass it to strange.

[cyrus62]

so i tracked QO and got 4 results so i can verify he's a doubled bus driver

I think save is also scum. We should wait for bingel to speak . I also think loft is scum rb .

[cyrus62]

StrangeMatter, you should have had results, why didn't you crumb them? Is it because you only wanted your red partners to know? Talk to Mama.

What? I have no clue what you are even talking about here.

Secondly, cyrus I'm Even Night Vigilante. I was wondering why my shot on Loftwing didn't go off and now I know why.

So bingel has the most power here and you want us to belive no one targeted him. Loft who did you block last night?

[cyrus62]

Dw can you give us any info besides what the mod has already provided. Save who did owl target one of them may be his other partner.

[cyrus62]

We could realy piss off every one off and flip strange .

[cyrus62]

StrangeMatter, you should have had results, why didn't you crumb them? Is it because you only wanted your red partners to know? Talk to Mama.

What? I have no clue what you are even talking about here.

Secondly, cyrus I'm Even Night Vigilante. I was wondering why my shot on Loftwing didn't go off and now I know why.

I rolecopped you, this is a lie, love.

And that is depressing. You lied once you anit town.

But you do wanna know something completely funny? Somehow, both me and Enchant got the exact same roles and modifiers of different alignments.

[cyrus62]

Opps

[cyrus62]

StrangeMatter, you should have had results, why didn't you crumb them? Is it because you only wanted your red partners to know? Talk to Mama.

What? I have no clue what you are even talking about here.

Secondly, cyrus I'm Even Night Vigilante. I was wondering why my shot on Loftwing didn't go off and now I know why.

I rolecopped you, this is a lie, love.

And that is depressing.

But you do wanna know something completely funny? Somehow, both me and Enchant got the exact same roles and modifiers of different alignments.

you lied you anit town.

[cyrus62]

StrangeMatter, you should have had results, why didn't you crumb them? Is it because you only wanted your red partners to know? Talk to Mama.

What? I have no clue what you are even talking about here.

Secondly, cyrus I'm Even Night Vigilante. I was wondering why my shot on Loftwing didn't go off and now I know why.

I rolecopped you, this is a lie, love.

And that is depressing.

But you do wanna know something completely funny? Somehow, both me and Enchant got the exact same roles and modifiers of different alignments.

This is another lie if you were pgo you would have killed mama

[cyrus62]

So now we know strange is bad. And that its X vs 1 vs2 x = town

[cyrus62]

I. Willing to bet loft is ww or other alien . I can't stop any kills tonight . Does pgo rampage not kill jk when locked up.

[cyrus62]

Owl called him out and was killed.

[cyrus62]

Bingel and ru target loft tonight. You should at least know his role or if he's town or not bingel may already have another result so no flips till he responds I want mass claim today. I will now claim my rolls and role 2 1 7 = 10 I then fudge my 2nd dice down so I subtracted I rolled a 3. 20 = 1 19 = 2 and 18 = 3 . 1 - 3 = 18 when going down so my new thing was 2 18 7 = 27. Or town even night jk

[cyrus62]

The May queston is who killed owl and who killed west. West role pm didn't say anything about fraction kills but I think setup said aliens get fraction kills.

[cyrus62]

So if alien used there's and ww used thirds and scum used thirds why only 2 kills?

[cyrus62]

I honestly am lost right now.

[cyrus62]

See ru could be bad or alien hasn't used thire kill yet in which case we could be down to 4 tommrow unless we find the other alien after all we know strange is bad already i. Town jail keep that leaves 5 every one should give roles and rolls right now other wise you anit town

[cyrus62]

Loft what are your thoughts right now?

[cyrus62]

Ru who do you trust now,

[cyrus62]

Save the dragon any new reads?

[cyrus62]

Bingel who did you check last night?

[cyrus62]

Dw you going to speak?

[cyrus62]

So as of now strange and loft might be all that'd left or we could have one more hideing are role oops normally town.?

[cyrus62]

Hahaha

[cyrus62]

I did it

[cyrus62]

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[cyrus62]

They would have killed cyrus, no?

Cyrus didn’t target strange. Strange was driven and killed owl.

No I'm pretty sure jk blocks bus driver and pgo since it would have made it to where strange was locked up plus save said I wasn't driven.

[cyrus62]

Loft who did you block. Also ru said they were able to check strange . Save said bingel, strange, ru and loft were driven. So the queston is who got locked up. . If you were driven wouldn't your target had been switched . Why are you still alive.

[cyrus62]

But STD said owl targeted four people so owl wasn't roleblocked

No I didn't target owl. I targeted strange. But strange was switched with some one else . So maybe it's like this . Ru what was your result for last night.

[cyrus62]

Maybe I locked up loft . Strange killed owl . Bingel doctored ru , ru checked strange but this doesn't work with bus driver.

[cyrus62]

That was @ Cyrus, btw

I say no flips till we get to bottom that way we don't lose by kills . We flip strange . I die and you die town has 4 we don't know who is town or who isn't chances are there is just one wear wolf left after strange . So auto win could be strange and loft.

[cyrus62]

My result was:

J

a

c

k

o

f

A

l

l

T

r

a

d

e

s

• Bloodhound
  
• Doctor
  
• Roleblocker
  
• Cop-Finder

how do you have 4 results when we only had 2 days? And you said you were blocked day1?

[cyrus62]

Bingel does rus result = your role?

[cyrus62]

I can block cyrus

Yes if dw is jk let him block me. We have no more bus so results should work out . Std can track loft since I'm jk no need to track me . Ru can check me if ru wants. Or ru can check loft .

[cyrus62]

Also I'm even any way.

[cyrus62]

All it means is one ww choice not to kill. And std tracking is stupid if I was locked up what was the point tracking me.

[cyrus62]

So let's eliminate based on roles . Roleblock 1st I will lock up ru . Std can track me and dw can lock up bingel. Vote me off tommrow and dw locks up ru std tracks bingel

[cyrus62]

Dw what is your 2nd role. You can't multitask if you don't have two roles,

[cyrus62]

VOTE: dw I think your pulling something. I am town even night jk.

[cyrus62]

that is bullshit. i think its dw. i think dw is lieing . we have one ww left i havent lied. as i said town even night jk. i was right to target strange night 2. i was right to vote west the whole time. sure i thought owl was town so i was wrong there. but most likely scum is dw or loft.

[cyrus62]

Why me when I have also been right about things like our day one elimination

mutitask doesnt line up. could your muti task be kill and lock up.

[cyrus62]

Dwlee can only be scum if they’re paired with Mama. Or solo with another solo scum in the setup.

Multitasking only means they rolled 5 for their modifier. It has nothing to do with alignment.

Being right about individual scum also doesn’t really net any towncred because we have no idea what flavor of scum remains.

removing me from play makes no since i can lock some one up tonight. i would like to lock up dw . maybe a no elimination needs to happen today. if you still want to kill me do it tomorrow.

[cyrus62]

the way i see it we no elim . have bingel check loft. if loft comes back town i'll eat the bullet. have ru check me . proven im a town even jk. have std track me . provin i didnt kill. i will lock up dw . loft sits out the night.

[cyrus62]

Bingle can't check me with bloodhound again, because that's how they found Enchant. They're a Joat.

well we dont need a roleblock . we have two jk. on odd nights dw can block on even nights i can block we dont need you at all. plus i think you have done nothing to help town. std can check loft then and see if they go any where.

[cyrus62]

What I'm trying to say here is that you, cyrus, should have tried to fudge your modifier roll down to get either Multitasking or no modifier at all, but I think this is moot since Cyrus is probably the last scum anyway.

VOTE: Cyrus62

that is bs i fudge dice two so i had a role other wise i been just vt with a even night mod. 2.1.7

[cyrus62]

I can block every night

dw is town . loft is last scum i think he is db roleblock ww

[cyrus62]

VOTE: loft loft is scum.

[cyrus62]

the only reason bingel lived was becuse of blocks. if you had no blocks bingel would have died. plus im going with my gut.

[cyrus62]

How do you figure that I am werewolf

specifically

?

yes maybe your alien and no killed becuse it was used on owl who thought you were scum. but im pretty sure their was only one alien. and two wolves. plus strange kinda defended you .

pre edit. you left them alive because dw expected you.

side note. dw knows how i play as scum. and dw knows i have bleed town this whole game.

[cyrus62]

if im scum make a case. becuse i can use my jk to protect town tonight. and lock you up. another side note loft now knows he can block dw and me and he wants to drag the game out so he wins. voting loft off is the better move here.

[cyrus62]

dw do the right thing. i know we can win with us. role block is normally scum not town.

[cyrus62]

How do you figure that I am werewolf

specifically

?

yes maybe your alien and no killed becuse it was used on owl who thought you were scum. but im pretty sure their was only one alien. and two wolves. plus strange kinda defended you .

Wasn't owl killed by StrangeMatter being a PGO? Anyway, why does Strange defending me mean I'm scum, instead of them trying to pocket me (or throw shade on me when they flip scum)

pre edit. you left them alive because dw expected you.

..What does this mean?

side note. dw knows how i play as scum. and dw knows i have bleed town this whole game.

Which is why Dweelee suspects that one of us are scum, which includes you.

owl wasnt killed by strange becuse strange was roleblocked and locked up.

[cyrus62]

loft is just bad for town. but here like always im sick of trying to work with you lot. bingel vote me dw vote me and i'll hammer. but and i mean this when i fucking flip town fucking vote loft off imminently day5 . your not going win by voting me off. your just going blow your chance at having two roles that can protect. pre edit jk blocks pgo. role block doesn't. in which case enchant must have been jk night1.

[cyrus62]

I would like to remind Cyrus that if they had successfully targeted StrangeMatter as they said, then they would be dead. As Cook has confirmed for us, roleblocking a PGO does not prevent their PGO from going off and killing the roleblocker.
This means that either an unknown Bulletproof Busdriver/Busdriver and protecter combo exists and we have not found them yet, or that Quiet Owl died to StrangeMatter because StrangeMatter was a Paranoid Gun Owner who Quiet Owl, a bus driver, visited, and subsequently died from.

Also, no Cyrus. Jailkeeper doesn't block Paranoid Gun Owner from killing, because Jailkeeper roleblocks their target. Jailkeeper doesn't banish them to the shadow realm for one night like some sort of Yugioh Commuter. Go ask Cook yourself if you think I am wrong.

And no, cyrus, no Jailkeeper was on Enchant Night 1. Dweelee was roleblocked Night 1, so unless you're about to say that you are a full Jailkeeper who targeted Enchant Night 1, no jailkeeper could have been on them.

something is fishy for sure. but i think your lieing about something.

[cyrus62]

I don't know what to do. Suggestions?

vote me im sick of the game right now. since no one believes im town.

[cyrus62]

here is a good queston. would it not be game throwing if i was the last scum and telling people to vote me off? instead of conceding.

[cyrus62]

What do you think I might be lying about? Just, in general.

dont know dont care. i just dont like you okay.

[cyrus62]

If either me or Dweelee were solo scum, then neither of us would be able to kill without losing immediately. Therefore, even if there were 2 solo scum (with one of them being in either me or dweelee), the night would effectively resolve as if there was only one scum, and it was between me or dweelee.

So why not vote you then. Then we know last scum is . Bingel.

[cyrus62]

But sure, let's assume that Bingle and I are both scum together.

In this scenario, I would be in a scum pair, and the game would end in a loss for town.

Let's now assume that me and Mama Ru were scum together. Or Me and STD, since both cases are funtionally symmetric.

In either scenario, I would be in a scum pair, and the game would end in a loss for town.

So your argument does not hold here, sir.

or you could have been with strange.

[cyrus62]

Restating it here since I mentioned it but never directly said. Also, I don’t think I made it clear through I don’t intend on voting Loftwing unless something happens that changes the slot’s position so.

@Loftwing, why did you claim Cult, then folded later and said it was a gambit?

strange didmt want to vote you. lets dig deeper

[cyrus62]

Actually the above post is a bit exaggerated, just it still doesn't make me like Cyrus for town right about now either.

I'm a little paranoid of Cyrus and Loft being scum together, but it feels more like a very big stretch logic wise and my gut says that it's highly unlikely that's what is actually happening. I'm feeling like if Cyrus flips scum then they could be TMI and Loft may be town after all.

heres where it gets odd.

[cyrus62]

Or at least not aligned with Cyrus at all right now.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong and they're both town which I don't believe is really the case with how either is playing this.

again . i was keeping my pr under hat.

[cyrus62]

Or you are a Serial Killer. I don't bring this up because it is literally irrelevant. Every post you make may not directly incriminate you, but it does make you look more and more like scum who is desperately trying to get the town onto their side.

it works this way . i am town even night jk. you lied about being dbl roleblock in the mass claim. im pretty sure town will realize your scum before its to late. VOTE: cyrus VOTE: cyrus VOTE: cyrus thats a hammer now watch me flip town.UNVOTE: cyrus

[cyrus62]

guys I figured it out guys.

cyrus was targeted N0 but the Cult Leader, and then they targeted Enchant to get the sweet release of death. cyrus is a cultist!


(And no, I didn't lie about being a double roleblocker, that is an unfounded assumption that you extrapolated from first principles, aka pulled out of either thin air or your ass)

wow did you not read what the mod said. the mod stated that if the cult leader is killed the recruitment fails you just made a scum slip.

[cyrus62]

According to my action resolution, conversions fail if the converter or the converted die the night of conversion.

@loft . im town even night jk.

[cyrus62]

@loft try again you are just bad scum.

[cyrus62]

guys I figured it out guys.

cyrus was targeted N0 but the Cult Leader, and then they targeted Enchant to get the sweet release of death. cyrus is a cultist!


(And no, I didn't lie about being a double roleblocker, that is an unfounded assumption that you extrapolated from first principles, aka pulled out of either thin air or your ass)

wow did you not read what the mod said. the mod stated that if the cult leader is killed the recruitment fails you just made a scum slip.

Nah you didn't read what i said you got converted n0 and then your cult leader couldn't handle you so they paid a visit to the grim reaper enchant.

cult leader died night1. therefor no new cult or any cult. 2nd in order for your 2nd part to work cult leader would have had to live to day2.

[cyrus62]

loft is ww. strange distance from loft if you read loft and strange iso your see they are paired.

[cyrus62]

or it is a jester. loft is a jester.

[cyrus62]

ru target loft okay. std track loft okay . idc what the rest does or doesn't do. i dont wish to die.

[cyrus62]

Would it work if you jailkept STD, and I roleblocked Ru and Bingle?

If STD targeted me, then if you failed to act, STD could see if it was because of me or not. And if STD dies, then it must mean that you are scum, because I am not multitasking.

This is a viable course of action if we go with the risk a 2 person scumteam wrecking us route. I'm vaguely okay with going that route, tbh.

If we want to play it safe, you block cyrus instead of Ru, Ru gets another invest in tonight (either you or STD) and even if scum has a kill and two members we have another dayphase. It adds time to the win, and honestly I don't think either of you or Dwlee is scum at this point, which one of the two of you would have to be for us to lose going the aggressive route.

Ok we can do this but that means we need to VOTE: no elim

[cyrus62]

Ru would be slightly better off investigating Loft in the above case, I think.

I like this idea .

[cyrus62]

I can't shake the idea that muti task could let one lock up and kill. But that still leaves why wouldn't they kill. Unless ....

[cyrus62]

The role has nothing to do with alignment here though

Yes but how often have you seen town dbl roleblock?

[cyrus62]

Cyrus, my child, any player here can have any role and be of any alignment. That's like the entire fucking point of the setup.

I anit your child.

[cyrus62]

Cyrus, my child, any player here can have any role and be of any alignment. That's like the entire fucking point of the setup.

Not the point. The point is how often is roleblock town. And if roleblock is town why. In order for you to fully block dw you would have to block him twice. Two roles two blocks . I have also seen a roleblock scum get block from role blocking and killing just by one jk but jk is jail cell. Where as roleblock just stoles a role. You can still roleblock some one but not save them. For example. Jack was roleblock by James and jack was killed by Jerry. How ever if jack was jail Kepth by John instead of being roleblock by James, Jerry couldn't kill jack becuse John saved him however John is a muti task jk so John then kills Jerry.

[cyrus62]

Cyrus, my child, any player here can have any role and be of any alignment. That's like the entire fucking point of the setup.

Not the point. The point is how often is roleblock town. And if roleblock is town why. In order for you to fully block dw you would have to block him twice. Two roles two blocks . I have also seen a roleblock scum get block from role blocking and killing just by one jk but jk is jail cell. Where as roleblock just stoles a role. You can still roleblock some one but not save them. For example. Jack was roleblock by James and jack was killed by Jerry. How ever if jack was jail Kepth by John instead of being roleblock by James, Jerry couldn't kill jack becuse John saved him however John is a muti task jk so John then kills Jerry.

But if James role locks John instead Jerry still kills jack and John kills Jerry.

[cyrus62]

Anit you glade no one hydrens with me.

[cyrus62]

I can block cyrus again tonight if we go no lim

Don't do it. I can jk don't waste my action . Jk someone else if your going waste my action I rather be voted off. Jk some else.t

also @ mod I unvote do my self and voted for no elim

[cyrus62]

Cyrus we only want to block three people total. We need Loftwing to block two people to block three and me to block one. If you block someone then you're not being blocked and I'd like you to be blocked over other people here. And if STD does have a result then we know that Loftwing didn't actually roleblock there, which outs Loftwing as having done the kill. But we also want for mama ru to get a result tonight so we don't block her.

You need to be blocked . I can block loft and std can track you . Ru can check you or loft tommrow you can block me and ru can check reminder. Becuse right now all you have to do is keep saying no kill. If all ru would get from you is jk muti task. There is no way of proving who's innocent. Ru checks loft ru gets dbl roleblock. Same thing bingel only gets cop or no cop. I guse bingel can check ru. But even then he gets cop or no cop if he gets cop same boat. Are best option is to remove the least useful roles which is loft since mine and your role protects and his just stops someone from doing a role. Doesn't prevent some one from being killed.

[cyrus62]

Okay you block me then, Loftwing blocks STD and bingle. Mama ru investigates Loftwing/Cyrus

Loft wing can block no one and std can check me . Ru can check loft . This will clear me. If a kill happens your still live. Std might catch it. Ru will know if loft is lieing bingel can check ru and clear her kinda. Rolecop could also be ww. But you would be clear and I would either dead or also cleared or std gets killed here. But you would at least be confirm town if a kill happens.

[cyrus62]

But let's s ee 5 tommrow if a kill happens 3 town 1 or 2 ww maybe. Would loft and ru make a better scum team no why would ru out her partner. Need I remind you there could be scum teams of 2 which means strange could be scum. With loft or dw.

[cyrus62]

Okay you block me then, Loftwing blocks STD and bingle. Mama ru investigates Loftwing/Cyrus

Loft wing can block no one and std can check me . Ru can check loft . This will clear me. If a kill happens your still live. Std might catch it. Ru will know if loft is lieing bingel can check ru and clear her kinda. Rolecop could also be ww. But you would be clear and I would either dead or also cleared or std gets killed here. But you would at least be confirm town if a kill happens.

You realize that literally no one is reading your suggestions for night actions, right?

yes you could be a joat bullit proof alien after all you said you were following west and agreeing with him.

[cyrus62]

Okay you block me then, Loftwing blocks STD and bingle. Mama ru investigates Loftwing/Cyrus

Loft wing can block no one and std can check me . Ru can check loft . This will clear me. If a kill happens your still live. Std might catch it. Ru will know if loft is lieing bingel can check ru and clear her kinda. Rolecop could also be ww. But you would be clear and I would either dead or also cleared or std gets killed here. But you would at least be confirm town if a kill happens.

You realize that literally no one is reading your suggestions for night actions, right?

yes you could be a joat bullit proof alien after all you said you were following west and agreeing with him.

iwhat two nights in a row you some how lived . Once after some how checking enchant and being invoild with strange two pgos but strange kinda outed them selfs . And role cops only gets role results and bulliet proof is a mod not a role.

[cyrus62]

Plus std kinda only reveals his results after every one else.

[cyrus62]

Oh oh bus driver probably

I think dun was driven in to enchant and that would be why bingel lived after wards. Other scum would have killed ssbm. Enchant being sk didn't know that bingel guilty was ment for loft. And enchant didn't know of the bus driver till after . Kinda like strange thought ru's result was on them even though . Ru result was bingel. So bingel 1st night result was on loft not enchant.

[cyrus62]

If Dunn and enchant were swapped then Bingle wouldn't have gotten a not town result

Not what I ment . I'm saying what if loft was switch with enchant. What if bingel hit loft thinking it was enchant after all how else did enchant not kill bingel. The same queston with strange. So enchant was swap with loft but wouldn't owl die for targeting enchant. What if owl died targeting strange. That would mean a one shot doc on owl 1st night. No shot on owl 2nd night.

[cyrus62]

Oh oh bus driver probably

I think dun was driven in to enchant and that would be why bingel lived after wards. Other scum would have killed ssbm. Enchant being sk didn't know that bingel guilty was ment for loft. And enchant didn't know of the bus driver till after . Kinda like strange thought ru's result was on them even though . Ru result was bingel. So bingel 1st night result was on loft not enchant.

@dw you read this wrong.

[cyrus62]

Oh oh bus driver probably

I think dun was driven in to enchant and that would be why bingel lived after wards. Other scum would have killed ssbm. Enchant being sk didn't know that bingel guilty was ment for loft. And enchant didn't know of the bus driver till after . Kinda like strange thought ru's result was on them even though . Ru result was bingel. So bingel 1st night result was on loft not enchant.

@dw you read this wrong.

Dbl bus diver switch bingel for dun and switch enchant with loft

[cyrus62]

Dun visits enchant by mistake he was trying to visit loft since he thought loft was scum. But when he knocks on lofts door it's enchant who flips out and thinking it was scum blows dun away. Bingel went to visit enchant but when he gets there it's loft disgused as enchant. The bus driver had picked up 4 passages enchant and loft was his 1st stop and dun and bingel his 2nd after loft got home he then visited ru and dw.

[cyrus62]

Dun visits enchant by mistake he was trying to visit loft since he thought loft was scum. But when he knocks on lofts door it's enchant who flips out and thinking it was scum blows dun away. Bingel went to visit enchant but when he gets there it's loft disgused as enchant. The bus driver had picked up 4 passages enchant and loft was his 1st stop and dun and bingel his 2nd after loft got home he then visited ru and dw.

But who visited owl . There must have been a doc. Dw can't be doc ru can't be doc and I anit doc.

[cyrus62]

My result was:

J

a

c

k

o

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• Doctor
  
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• Cop-Finder

bingel who did you save and why?

[cyrus62]

Cyrus, please explain how Save The Dragons tracked me to Enchant.

Cuse you were swapped. Other wise you would have dead. Didn't you , your self say you blocked ru and dw night1?

[cyrus62]

god i hate this some else solve this for me

i'm a tracker.

i tracked loftwing to enchant.

1. why is loftwing alive if enchant is a PGO?
2. why did ssbm die if loftwing is a RB?
3. why did mama ru claim roleblock if loftwing didn't target mama ru?
4. i don't fucking know how bus driver works, so i guess loftwing got bus driven but if so, why am i so confused, is loftwing just straight up lying?

See this fits with what I said. Enchant admits to killing ssbm.

[cyrus62]

Cyrus, if I was swapped with Enchant, then Save The Dragons would have tracked Enchant, correct? Not Tracked

to

Enchant, but

tracked Enchant directly.

No becuse enchant wasn't targeted by std. You explain how you survived visiting enchant then?

[cyrus62]

Cyrus, if I was swapped with Enchant, then Save The Dragons would have tracked Enchant, correct? Not Tracked

to

Enchant, but

tracked Enchant directly.

No becuse enchant wasn't targeted by std. You explain how you survived visiting enchant then?

Well?

[cyrus62]

Yes loft you should have killed me night1 or night2 but you Kepth me alive becuse you thought I thought you were town and would be a easy miselmation.

[cyrus62]

god i hate this some else solve this for me

i'm a tracker.

i tracked loftwing to enchant.

1. why is loftwing alive if enchant is a PGO?
2. why did ssbm die if loftwing is a RB?
3. why did mama ru claim roleblock if loftwing didn't target mama ru?
4. i don't fucking know how bus driver works, so i guess loftwing got bus driven but if so, why am i so confused, is loftwing just straight up lying?

See this fits with what I said. Enchant admits to killing ssbm.

I think 2nd shows ssbm being visited.

[cyrus62]

Ok, look, let me lay this out to you in standard form for logic.

1) Owl Swaps Loftwing and Enchant

2) Save The Dragons targets me.

3) If 1 and 2 are true, then Save The Dragons would be redirected to target Enchant.

4) Enchant visited SSBM

5) If 3 and 4 are true, then Save The Dragons would receive that their target visited SSBM.

6) Save The Dragons received that their target visited Enchant.

7) 5 and 6 are contradictory, therefore at least one of premises 1 through 6 are false.

Again if you visited enchant why did you live.

[cyrus62]

god i hate this some else solve this for me

i'm a tracker.

i tracked loftwing to enchant.

1. why is loftwing alive if enchant is a PGO?
2. why did ssbm die if loftwing is a RB?
3. why did mama ru claim roleblock if loftwing didn't target mama ru?
4. i don't fucking know how bus driver works, so i guess loftwing got bus driven but if so, why am i so confused, is loftwing just straight up lying?

See this fits with what I said. Enchant admits to killing ssbm.

I think 2nd shows ssbm being visited.

5 states you didn't target ru.

[cyrus62]

god i hate this some else solve this for me

i'm a tracker.

i tracked loftwing to enchant.

1. why is loftwing alive if enchant is a PGO?
2. why did ssbm die if loftwing is a RB?
3. why did mama ru claim roleblock if loftwing didn't target mama ru?
4. i don't fucking know how bus driver works, so i guess loftwing got bus driven but if so, why am i so confused, is loftwing just straight up lying?

See this fits with what I said. Enchant admits to killing ssbm.

I think 2nd shows ssbm being visited.

5 states you didn't target ru.

coughs I ment 3 then he came out you were lieing.

[cyrus62]

And duns last words were

[cyrus62]

My explanation for my vote:

I prefer eliminating Loftwing to Regrider

Hmm why did dun die. Either loft and strange killed dun or dun was driven in to enchant thinking it was loft.

[cyrus62]

My explanation for my vote:

I prefer eliminating Loftwing to Regrider

Hmm why did dun die. Either loft and strange killed dun or dun was driven in to enchant thinking it was loft.

In which case bingel not town was loft. Bingel lived becuse he hit loft not enchant. Loft claims he roll block ru and dw. Std wanted to know why loft visited enchant and why is ssbm dead and why ru was claiming they were role-blocked

[cyrus62]

Yeah who was Bingle's doctor target N1?

Bingle didn't use their Doc ability N1.

He stated he only had cop finder left. There for he used it.

[cyrus62]

Yea I'll wait for him to answer

I should start tabling stuff

Dweelee, can you please read over Cyrus' Grand Fact that Owl, contrary to all current evidence, Bus Drove me and Enchant, instead of me and bingle?

Wouldn't that place the not town on ru?

[cyrus62]

I'm trying help solve the game.

[cyrus62]

I'm currently trying to find ways that owl could target every one night one. And how bingel lived after targeting enchant. And who killed dun . And also how loft lived after being tracked to enchant.

[cyrus62]

I'm currently trying to find ways that owl could target every one night one. And how bingel lived after targeting enchant. And who killed dun . And also how loft lived after being tracked to enchant.

I ment how owl lived night1 after targeting enchant.

[cyrus62]

Is Cyrus solo scum or partnered with someone loftwing?

Feel like we are missing a kill somewhere both nights

I blocked a kill n2

[cyrus62]

Proof that one of Loft/Bingle/STD is scum:

Assume STD is town. If not, we are done.

Assume Bingle is town. If not, we are done.

Then Loftwing must have been swapped with Bingle by the bus driver per STD's result. This implies that Loftwing was targeted with a heal, but the heal comes from scum, and scum would only want to heal scum, so loftwing is scum.

So we should all vote loft and hope std and bingel ain't scum.

[cyrus62]

Proof that one of Loft/Bingle/STD is scum:

Assume STD is town. If not, we are done.

Assume Bingle is town. If not, we are done.

Then Loftwing must have been swapped with Bingle by the bus driver per STD's result. This implies that Loftwing was targeted with a heal, but the heal comes from scum, and scum would only want to heal scum, so loftwing is scum.

So we should all vote loft and hope std and bingel ain't scum.

If loft flips scum and game doesn't end we should lock up bingel and std if no death then one of the two are scum.

[cyrus62]

Hmm as much as I wouldn't mind being locked up I think leavening loft free is dangerous for town.

[cyrus62]

Shame dw is only muti task jk. . If some one dies and dw and I are free then we both look like scum but if no one dies loft looks like scum. Btw bingel if you used all your actions then what good are you. I mean sure you can check ru but that doesn't prove any thing and std can check me and see I only targeted one person.

[cyrus62]

If we block each other then neither of us could have killed though Cyrus

You kinda brunt my trust last night..

[cyrus62]

If we block each other then neither of us could have killed though Cyrus

You kinda brunt my trust last night..

It's like this scum either don't have any kills left or did a no kill to fake a guilty on me.

[cyrus62]

If we block each other then neither of us could have killed though Cyrus

You kinda brunt my trust last night..

It's like this scum either don't have any kills left or did a no kill to fake a guilty on me.

How is it burning your trust for me to jailkeep you

Cuse you think I'm scum here . Not taking into account that scum could no kill.

[cyrus62]

Huh

[cyrus62]

Well for jake the wolf if he is scum he has difently improved since we were scum together but I think that was his 1st game.

[cyrus62]

UNVOTE: cyrus62

[cyrus62]

well if they no kill we can repeat role copping. And if they do kill, then you, me, and the two people loftwing block will be conftown

Kinda nitpicky, but it is an important distinction: those people will be confirmed to not be the scum who killed. They could still feasibly be scum with someone else.

Dwlee and Cyrus jk each other. Std tracks loftwing. Loftwing blocks me and std. Ru investigates Cyrus, I think.

I’ll act so that if loft doesn’t block one of me/std they get caught by the action happening. That prevents loftwing/Cyrus or loftwing/dwlee shenanigans. I don't think it will work . If dw locks me up how do I then I. Turn lock him up if I'm in a cell I can't very well pick the lock and lock dw up . I would 1st have to lock dw up then how would dw lock me up.?

Any objections?

Putting this on the new page.

[cyrus62]

well if they no kill we can repeat role copping. And if they do kill, then you, me, and the two people loftwing block will be conftown

Kinda nitpicky, but it is an important distinction: those people will be confirmed to not be the scum who killed. They could still feasibly be scum with someone else.

Dwlee and Cyrus jk each other. Std tracks loftwing. Loftwing blocks me and std. Ru investigates Cyrus, I think.

I’ll act so that if loft doesn’t block one of me/std they get caught by the action happening. That prevents loftwing/Cyrus or loftwing/dwlee shenanigans. I don't think it will work . If dw locks me up how do I then I. Turn lock him up if I'm in a cell I can't very well pick the lock and lock dw up . I would 1st have to lock dw up then how would dw lock me up.?

Any objections?

Putting this on the new page.

mod can you edit this . I kinda mess up the post by mistake.

[cyrus62]

well if they no kill we can repeat role copping. And if they do kill, then you, me, and the two people loftwing block will be conftown

Kinda nitpicky, but it is an important distinction: those people will be confirmed to not be the scum who killed. They could still feasibly be scum with someone else.

Dwlee and Cyrus jk each other. Std tracks loftwing. Loftwing blocks me and std. Ru investigates Cyrus, I think.

I’ll act so that if loft doesn’t block one of me/std they get caught by the action happening. That prevents loftwing/Cyrus or loftwing/dwlee shenanigans.

Any objections?

Putting this on the new page.

I don't think it will work if dw locks me up how do I then in turn lock him up? I can't very well pick the lock, lock him up and then magically re get locked up and I would 1st have to lock him up but then he get very well lock me up if he's already in a cell.

[cyrus62]

The idea is that if you target eachother, then the resolution is that neither of you get to act.

He's multitask.

[cyrus62]

The idea is that if you target eachother, then the resolution is that neither of you get to act.

He's multitask.

Maybe you should also block him.

[cyrus62]

The idea is that if you target eachother, then the resolution is that neither of you get to act.

He's multitask.

Maybe you should also block him.

And before you say that's why you lock him up. How if I'm already in a cell?

[cyrus62]

Okay so who hasn't been checked

Are we SURE there needs to be a doctor

unless bingel is bullet proof yes

[cyrus62]

I say we zero deaths two days in a row either scum is choosing to no kill or it's a alien who already used third kill or we have a jester.

[cyrus62]

I did not act last night . I had asked the mod what happens if two jk targeted each other . They basically cancel each other out . Mod said no one gets locked up that way. Aka no protection so I didn't act so I was safe. But funny enough if I would have acted neither I or dw would have been safe nor would either be locked up. So dw may not have realized this and choose to not act. Joat doesn't have the be town.

[cyrus62]

Actually, STD saying he tracked someone to enchant is proof I’m not making this up at my end, so there’s that. If either of std or I is town someone visited enchant N1, and no one could have survived doing so without a doc or babysitter existing.

Unless enchant who was a sk killed someone as stated by mod.

[cyrus62]

@MOD:

If a reflexive vigilante visited a reflexive asceticizer, and another player visited the reflexive vigilante, would that player die even though the reflexive vigilante was ascetic?

Reflexive Vigilante can't visit.

I was using reflexive vigilante as a substitute for PGO
I mean if the PGO serial killer did the above

If they were killing, yes, if not, no.

So if enchant killed someone night 1.

[cyrus62]

Again joat doesn't have to be town. I don't trust dw or loft VOTE: loft

[cyrus62]

What does JOAT have to do with loft

I don't think loft needs any help defending them selfs dw.

[cyrus62]

But you just made two completely unrelated statements

I'm saying joat doesn't have to be town and I don't trust you or loft.

[cyrus62]

But you just made two completely unrelated statements

I got a link that may blow this game wide open though.

[cyrus62]

Do a iso on std from the link I give you and then do one on them here they seem to do the same. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86874 Std was scum in that game.

[cyrus62]

JOAT is bingle though

If you watch binges didn't go to enchant so how did they get a result std said loft went to enchant.

[cyrus62]

Honestly maybe we flip Cyrus lol

I so don't trust you in what world is muti task town. I mean that means you could lock up the doc or invisgator and still kill.

[cyrus62]

What if owl died trying to bus strange night 2 but lived night 1 because enchant killed ssbm?

[cyrus62]

Honestly maybe we flip Cyrus lol

I agree.

You would. Lol raise your hand if your so champ up man.

[cyrus62]

I will vote STD.

State a case I kinda don't trust dw with the muti role? Don't you get it some one is choiseing to no kill

[cyrus62]

I will vote STD.

State a case I kinda don't trust dw with the muti role? Don't you get it some one is choiseing to no kill

If you didn't trust Dweelee with the Multi role, then why didn't you block him?

D

ID YOU READ MY POST. I ASKD THE MOD WHAT HAPPENS IF TWO JKS TARGET EACH OTHER NEITHER GETS BLOCKED NEITHER GETS PROTECTED BOTH CANCEL OUT.

[cyrus62]

I did not act last night . I had asked the mod what happens if two jk targeted each other . They basically cancel each other out . Mod said no one gets locked up that way. Aka no protection so I didn't act so I was safe. But funny enough if I would have acted neither I or dw would have been safe nor would either be locked up. So dw may not have realized this and choose to not act. Joat doesn't have the be town.

see i pm the mod last night.

[cyrus62]

idc flip me if town loses its bingels fault plus he said it himself he doesnt care about this game.

[cyrus62]

Why would he be informed of anything?

If cyrus rolled cult and then pulled SK he'd know there was a cult. He also spent like all of day 1 talking about a cult. And then a cult leader flipped.

so your suggesting i rolled sk even night jk that's a pretty big reach. i didnt know their was a cult i had a strong feeling there was since last game had a cult. @dw just do me a favor when i flip town . 3 town 2 scum left i think but if that was the case why the no kill. also why would i waste time cult hunting if i knew for a fact their was one.

[cyrus62]

Are you suggesting that Cyrus is Serial Killer specifically?

Yups. I don't think association hunting is going to be a good idea because of the whole 3 different flipped scumteams and we don't know what flavor of scum is left, but I do (and have) had a feeling cyrus was an SK for basically the whole game.

if this was the case why didnt you check me night 1?

[cyrus62]

bingel is dead wight at this point how do we know he isnt alien . how do we know we can trust him. i pointed out dotw . i also pointed out strange. sure bingel got one right with enchant but thats it.

[cyrus62]

Have you played with Cyrus before

Yes. I think he was cult in a game I hydra'd in. Also I've modded him and interacted with him quite heavily in reviewing a large bastard theme game he wants to run someday.

Not making logical sense with his arguments =/= having a clear scum agenda, and I think this game is a case of the latter. Again, though, I'm not super invested and will 100% lim STD here if you feel strongly.

I have never been cult. And shhhh on my game bingel I don't recall showing you it so is this a alt of some kind?

[cyrus62]

Honestly every time I play I hope I get scum. What I would have fun as a day vig. Since I rolled a 2 1 7 I thought I would try to help town I also didn't see that sk gets bullet proof if they get 1 on dice other wise I may have gone for sk. But like I said I didn't read that sk got bullet proof if they rolled 1 . So I thought my best option was to fudge dice two.

[cyrus62]

What was your fudge roll?

I fudge dice 2 from 1 to 18 I went down I rolled a 3 on the d4 dice 20 makes 1 19 makes 2 18 makes 3. So town even night jk.

[cyrus62]

If Ru gets a result, that could either mean I attacked, or Dweelee blocked me.

Fair point.

If we eliminate cyrus and let STD live to track Dwlee that fixes that, but honestly I don't think either of you is scum here so I'm not really worried.

lol im not scum. do you honestly think im this relaxd as scum and not crack yet. hmm bingel i honestly think you could be scum. but no kill is throwing me off.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: std hammer bite me i know hes town and so am i.

[cyrus62]

okay so who is scum cyrus

God, I hope that just ends the game because it'd make you hammering with "He's town" so much funnier

bingel or loft or we have a jester.

[cyrus62]

Told you lot I was town even jk.

[cyrus62]

Bingel and dw you guys need to really learn to read better. Std you kinda give it away with the I think Cyrus and bingel are town post but you still fooled me

[cyrus62]

Bingel and dw you guys need to really learn to read better. Std you kinda give it away with the I think Cyrus and bingel are town post but you still fooled me

I don't follow how I need to learn to read better. I thought you were town and convinced everyone to vote for the final scum over you

You thought I was scum even to the point . You said you would just keep jking me