Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Milk & Mocha]

That's just lazy play

[Milk & Mocha]

I have trouble believing you would play that lazily

don't you have like crazy high standards or something

[Milk & Mocha]

What type of chaos is "elim noraa every time cuz I can't read them"

[Milk & Mocha]

i will handle the noraa reading

they are town

I am the best noraa reader

this was not in any way influenced by being in a hydra with them

[Milk & Mocha]

I'm quitting smoking and my brain stopped working on me early in the dayphase. Gold star for noticing I'm not my usual self, I guess? (According to the internet my brain should be normal again late next week, but yeah.)

ooh that's a rough one.

I do miss smoking tho :<

[Milk & Mocha]

idk what ur talking about mushy. like have you seen my latest scum game? I got turbo wrecked and it was literally the most OP role I've ever seen (scum 1 shot BP strongman. literal insane power). I was so excited and ready to fight my way to a win and got absolutely destroyed in just a couple days.

[Milk & Mocha]

like ok look. my scum game isn't BAD. but it isn't whatever you're talking about turbolim once game starts scum game.

[Milk & Mocha]

Notty tell Bork that his SR on Skitter is whack

[Milk & Mocha]

Noraa tell matey pooks to c'mere

I didn't see this but the pooky bear bear heard your plea from afar

[Milk & Mocha]

Noraa's scum range is wider than you expect. I'm inclined to eliminate early by default.

This is godtier level compliments. I'm afraid i dont live up to them though. And next to pooky, I might as well just not exist in terms of godtier level play.

[Milk & Mocha]

noraa you're supposed to make us look less scary -.-

[Milk & Mocha]

i am very cute and fluffy

[Milk & Mocha]

Literally every post thats not signed in our ISO is me

Plus you know I can replicate my postcount as scum now

so,

a) Why does it matter if I am lurking or not

b) Why are you saying im lurking when i have a pretty decent post count?

I can't miss my favorite pirate krewmate jeez

why r u so sensitive.

is anyone even trying to kill you?

[Milk & Mocha]

i am very cute and fluffy

this is true

[Milk & Mocha]

ok i read 1352

and it feels like you're just mad at her for suspecting you

and that's whack.

skitter!town suspects me like every single game I'm town

it just comes with the territory

[Milk & Mocha]

i am very cute and fluffy

this is true

[Milk & Mocha]

i am very cute and fluffy

this is true

[Milk & Mocha]

i am very cute and fluffy

this is true

[Milk & Mocha]

oh shit sorry wifi bad

[Milk & Mocha]

i thought the site broke for a hot second. idk maybe it was just wifi

[Milk & Mocha]

ok I just read 1420 what's scummy about it?

[Milk & Mocha]

do you think her explanation in 1420 is like not accurate/slimy?

[Milk & Mocha]

so you townread her

for her not townreading you...

so she scumread you

for townreading her...

so you scumread her

cuz she scumread you

for townreading her

am i getting this correct?

[Milk & Mocha]

ok so you think

scum!her

decided to fake a scumread on you

to get you to townread her

but you ain't having that shit

so you scumread her instead?

[Milk & Mocha]

ok could you just explain what she did that made you think she's scum in like one sentence?

[Milk & Mocha]

I can give you two extra sentences if you need them

[Milk & Mocha]

so you think she was feeling you out to mis-elim you?

[Milk & Mocha]

like it's really hard for me to understand why scum!her would randomly go out of her way to begin feeling out "cracks" in your armor when she's parked on me already and LLD is like "let's eat bear tonite"

like where's the scum motivation there?

if she was scum I'd think she'd be telling you how she would appreciate the handsome duo of bork/notty to come join her on her merry bear hunt or some bullshit.

[Milk & Mocha]

Well if you're saying scum!her is looking for chinks in your armor to come get you, that would imply she's lining you up to eat or something no? like why else would scum look for chinks in armor?

[Milk & Mocha]

I mean it's not really circular, you're saying she's "scum" because she's doing ____ but ____ has to make sense for scum her to like actually do no?

Like who the fuck is even trying to kill you in this game state? I don't see anyone

and if you're like town. um when's the last time either you or notty got mis-elimmed?

[Milk & Mocha]

let's just kill dunnstral and call it a day

dude's literally hiding from the thread too scared to post

[Milk & Mocha]

My big point is why isn’t Pooky dead unless scum weren’t on Pooky

*cough cough dunnstral scum cough cough*

[Milk & Mocha]

We're doing VFT today. At this point the positioning and posturing around the wagon will tell us more than anything else, and it has a decent shot of hitting scum.

I don't see how a VFT town flip gets us any closer to solving this game.

[Milk & Mocha]

Because it is. If MM is town, calling the lurkers scummy and then pushing MM first is a scum move.

If the lurkers are town, they are saving those miseliminations for later because they're easier and removing Pooky now, who is notoriously hard to kill.

I highly doubt Skitter thinks she can remove me on D1 unless it's some random lol-wagon that runs off the rails.

The only one who might be able to kill me in this PL is you and if she wanted to drift in your wake she'd be better positioned off-wagon rather than actually voting for us.

I would expect the influential scum to be off wagon and letting you lead the bearhunt and then shoot you at night and pick up the pieces tommorrow tbh.

[Milk & Mocha]

We should consolidate on Dunnstral.

His massive drop-off since LLD held him upside down and shook him for loose change is so lulz-scummy.

He doesn't even want to be here lol.

[Milk & Mocha]

Anyone down to go back to M&M?

Luls if your team doesn't have a RB, we're getting a hard guilty on you tomorrow. then you'll be the one dying lol

[Milk & Mocha]

VOTE: EMMI

[Milk & Mocha]

the last time I let a "conftown" kill skitter when my read on her was town I kind of hated it and then the conftown spent the next day yelling at me for disagreeing with him and then he tried to get the town to kill me and the town stopped listening to him and we killed the last scum.

you also have enough votes to kill her without me. Pretty sure EMMI/SM will vote with you at a minimum.

[Milk & Mocha]

also Bork wants to kill skitter

you have 3 votes off-wagon and you only need 2

just let me vote my conscience

[Milk & Mocha]

the last time I let a "conftown" kill skitter when my read on her was town I kind of hated it and then the conftown spent the next day yelling at me for disagreeing with him and then he tried to get the town to kill me and the town stopped listening to him and we killed the last scum.

you also have enough votes to kill her without me. Pretty sure EMMI/SM will vote with you at a minimum.

what game was this

FL v Hectic

[Milk & Mocha]

we're vt

just gonna point out that basically nobody is presently scumreading us other than lld + possibly mush, and that *this* is the wagon that took off out of all the ones that lld has wanted, and that the game has basically stagnated since that happened

she claimed already.

maybe give her sometime after work for final reads/thoughts and hammer after that?

[Milk & Mocha]

well I townread skitter for stupid reasons that's my bad >.> <.<

but I am willing to be a good sheep now <3

VOTE: Wisdom

[Milk & Mocha]

also love you borkie :3

[Milk & Mocha]

ahahahahhahaahaha we were right

i'd vote dunn but i don't want to kill him yet cuz i know noraa will want to come and gloat and vote him

[Milk & Mocha]

DUNNSTRAL IS MINE. DONT ANYONE DARE HAMMER THIS ONE.

[Milk & Mocha]

THE HAMMER IS MINE.
Everyone even remotely THINKING about it, BACK OFF otherwise imma throw some hands grr

[Milk & Mocha]

You ded in my eyes if you steal my hammer. In the grave ded kind of ded you hear me?

[Milk & Mocha]

mmmmm
Now I want it.

get tf away

[Milk & Mocha]

we are watching this thread for our hammer like a fucking hawk

[Milk & Mocha]

Noraa for the last week:

[Milk & Mocha]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Milk & Mocha]

b

are you some kind of ascetic?

winky face

[Milk & Mocha]

wait nvm cabd is a nerd

[Milk & Mocha]

you saw nothing

[Milk & Mocha]

*batman*

[Milk & Mocha]

We r a PR[probly the most powerful one still alive]

our flavor is sweet lightning.

[Milk & Mocha]

cuz its a pain in the butt to log in to a hydra to post.

[Milk & Mocha]

cuz i want to get nk'd duh

[Milk & Mocha]

r u gonna pretend they didnt try to turn me into a stuffed bear on d1 lol

[Milk & Mocha]

nice trolling wiz

[Milk & Mocha]

im fine with being elimmed today if you shoot wisdom at night and then lim him if he somehow survives lol. he just openwolfing atp

[Milk & Mocha]

Votes dont mean much
Show me the pushes

lol good trolling

[Milk & Mocha]

If I were a cop and could check one person's alignment tonight, who should I check?

Who's scum?

These questions are empty and meaningless, meant to act like you're doing something when you're not.

"i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior

lol
just because Noraa doesn't sign doesn't mean I'm suddenly pooky

If that post wasn't pooky then it's even worse in my opinion.

VOTE: Milk & Mocha

[Milk & Mocha]

If I were a cop and could check one person's alignment tonight, who should I check?

Who's scum?

These questions are empty and meaningless, meant to act like you're doing something when you're not.

"i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior

lol
just because Noraa doesn't sign doesn't mean I'm suddenly pooky

If that post wasn't pooky then it's even worse in my opinion.

VOTE: Milk & Mocha

how did [a bear or another bear] get from "i'm sheeping LLD and i'm explicitly stating i haven't read anything" to "i have a legitimate scumread on dunn"

-b

Good catch

How is that a catch?

Their is an inconsistency in your stated stances.

Pooky being drunk didn't matter when they gave you reads, why does it make them unable to explain them?

[Milk & Mocha]

If I were a cop and could check one person's alignment tonight, who should I check?

Who's scum?

These questions are empty and meaningless, meant to act like you're doing something when you're not.

"i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior

lol
just because Noraa doesn't sign doesn't mean I'm suddenly pooky

If that post wasn't pooky then it's even worse in my opinion.

VOTE: Milk & Mocha

how did [a bear or another bear] get from "i'm sheeping LLD and i'm explicitly stating i haven't read anything" to "i have a legitimate scumread on dunn"

-b

Good catch

How is that a catch?

Their is an inconsistency in your stated stances.

Pooky being drunk didn't matter when they gave you reads, why does it make them unable to explain them?

With a fresh head today trying to take a more holistic approach toward the game, well, I don't have a very good feeling about it. I still don't know about dunn.

I think gamma is probably town, I'm starting to come around on critter town i think but that's mostly gut around how they handled the mush inquiries earlier.

Other than that this game is full of people who don't emit intentions very much early, are being deliberately close to chest, or have been mostly nonentities. If it comes down to it I am probably keen to sheep LLD d1.

I am a little worried we're seeing tenet pooky because this is how he approached coming over to inverted from forward (the appearance of wanting to engage vs actually wanting to engage - hence the "i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior)

-b

I would totally be willing to shine a spotlight in Pooky/Noraa's face and see what falls out. I'm not done with Dunn yet and don't want ALL the pressure to evaporate there but...

Yeah Pooky/Noraa is not impressing me at ALL.

Pooky reminds me of Bloodstained right now. Noraa is really quiet which is unusual.

[Milk & Mocha]

If I were a cop and could check one person's alignment tonight, who should I check?

Who's scum?

These questions are empty and meaningless, meant to act like you're doing something when you're not.

"i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior

lol
just because Noraa doesn't sign doesn't mean I'm suddenly pooky

If that post wasn't pooky then it's even worse in my opinion.

VOTE: Milk & Mocha

how did [a bear or another bear] get from "i'm sheeping LLD and i'm explicitly stating i haven't read anything" to "i have a legitimate scumread on dunn"

-b

Good catch

How is that a catch?

Their is an inconsistency in your stated stances.

Pooky being drunk didn't matter when they gave you reads, why does it make them unable to explain them?

With a fresh head today trying to take a more holistic approach toward the game, well, I don't have a very good feeling about it. I still don't know about dunn.

I think gamma is probably town, I'm starting to come around on critter town i think but that's mostly gut around how they handled the mush inquiries earlier.

Other than that this game is full of people who don't emit intentions very much early, are being deliberately close to chest, or have been mostly nonentities. If it comes down to it I am probably keen to sheep LLD d1.

I am a little worried we're seeing tenet pooky because this is how he approached coming over to inverted from forward (the appearance of wanting to engage vs actually wanting to engage - hence the "i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior)

-b

I would totally be willing to shine a spotlight in Pooky/Noraa's face and see what falls out. I'm not done with Dunn yet and don't want ALL the pressure to evaporate there but...

Yeah Pooky/Noraa is not impressing me at ALL.

Pooky reminds me of Bloodstained right now. Noraa is really quiet which is unusual.

My reads:

[Gamma Emerald]
[Wisdom, ssbm_kyouko, Critter]
[Towelie]
[MUSHSHAGANA, StrangeMatter, E.M.M.I., Venus Fly Trap, Something_Smart]
[Milk & Mocha]

[Milk & Mocha]

If I were a cop and could check one person's alignment tonight, who should I check?

Who's scum?

These questions are empty and meaningless, meant to act like you're doing something when you're not.

"i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior

lol
just because Noraa doesn't sign doesn't mean I'm suddenly pooky

If that post wasn't pooky then it's even worse in my opinion.

VOTE: Milk & Mocha

how did [a bear or another bear] get from "i'm sheeping LLD and i'm explicitly stating i haven't read anything" to "i have a legitimate scumread on dunn"

-b

Good catch

How is that a catch?

Their is an inconsistency in your stated stances.

Pooky being drunk didn't matter when they gave you reads, why does it make them unable to explain them?

With a fresh head today trying to take a more holistic approach toward the game, well, I don't have a very good feeling about it. I still don't know about dunn.

I think gamma is probably town, I'm starting to come around on critter town i think but that's mostly gut around how they handled the mush inquiries earlier.

Other than that this game is full of people who don't emit intentions very much early, are being deliberately close to chest, or have been mostly nonentities. If it comes down to it I am probably keen to sheep LLD d1.

I am a little worried we're seeing tenet pooky because this is how he approached coming over to inverted from forward (the appearance of wanting to engage vs actually wanting to engage - hence the "i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior)

-b

I would totally be willing to shine a spotlight in Pooky/Noraa's face and see what falls out. I'm not done with Dunn yet and don't want ALL the pressure to evaporate there but...

Yeah Pooky/Noraa is not impressing me at ALL.

Pooky reminds me of Bloodstained right now. Noraa is really quiet which is unusual.

My reads:

[Gamma Emerald]
[Wisdom, ssbm_kyouko, Critter]
[Towelie]
[MUSHSHAGANA, StrangeMatter, E.M.M.I., Venus Fly Trap, Something_Smart]
[Milk & Mocha]

What you pointed out was good and it doesn't make sense from them

?????????? ur making no sense. ur not snarky. u give a shit about what people think about your alignment. u scum scum boi

This post makes no sense

[Milk & Mocha]

like wisdom is just straight up lying about what happened

VOTE: wisdom

[Milk & Mocha]

d2 i sheeped bork cuz he was right d1 and i was deadass wrong and wisdom was skitters most vocal defender.

[Milk & Mocha]

Pooky voted for dunn

[Milk & Mocha]

@MM which head made the Dunn vote

I wasn't online

[Milk & Mocha]

which, meh, i don't think anyone tried _that_ hard to murder them D1.)

Both scum tried their asses off to murder us day 1. Dudes had zero chill. Like you're saying pooky and i just ran into the scum pt and were like OK BUS US HARD on day 1 and then decided to do a bunch of jester shit in the main thread. uh huh yeah that makes a shit ton of sense.

Idk wtf happened since i last checked cuz im far behind and not catching up at this point.
But day 1 when we were under a lot of pressure, we just jestered our asses off and didn't give a shit about anything. Then both flipped scum tried really hard to get us murdered and we just kept memeing. Anyone who thinks that play comes from scum is actually insane.

[Milk & Mocha]

i asked noraa yo who do you want to neighborize let's do notty/bork and she didn't answer me and then I forgot about it.

also this ability is pretty useless so it wasn't like we were really paying that much attention lol

[Milk & Mocha]

sure gamma

tell me how a neighborizer hunts down PRs

[Milk & Mocha]

and if neighborizer is such an awesome PR hunting tool

why didn't we use it night one

rofl

this is the dumbest conversation I've been a part of this week

[Milk & Mocha]

I am voting for him already.

who do you want to elim today?

[Milk & Mocha]

Looks like it

r you going to explain how a neighborizer hunts down PRs or admit you r making shit up

[Milk & Mocha]

Wisdom is likely town based on the last page.

his "progression" on the last page is trivially easy to fake and you can tell its insincere because he didn't even unvote.

[Milk & Mocha]

he is already preparing for a tommorrow in which im flipped green.

[Milk & Mocha]

if you reread d1 - both scum + IV were voting me as leading wagon while Wisdom was saying MM = inno

he claims the scum weren't even pushing me, which is obviously a lie if you look at dunnstral iso which i cited

if he had a geniune belief that I wasnt pushed by scum, he would've re-evaluated after I shoved dunnstrals iso in his face

instead he handwaved it and dropped that line of thought entirely to talk about "multitasking" without addressing the dunnstral quotes at all to change the subject.

now hes hopped onto gammas latest "belief" about neighborizer somehow being a PR hunter, when i question gamma on how the fuck thats supposed to work, he doesnt have any ideas to back up his support of gamma.

this is like blatant scum.

the original scum plan was for me to be miselimmed d1, thats why dunn/skitter went for voting me, when LLD jumped on and no CW to me they likely thought i would go down.

wisdom then wks me says im town and is poised to take thread control in a post mm green flip world where lld gets shot.

[Milk & Mocha]

It doesn't hunt down prs but it's better than a goon

see he even admits his agreement with gamma was complete made up bullshit lol

[Milk & Mocha]

IV should be IC in my post typo

[Milk & Mocha]

lol what r u doing kyouko

[Milk & Mocha]

if you think the last scum is a pr it sure wouldnt be a neighborizer lolol

[Milk & Mocha]

There are no other prs so

u guys r setting up to lose to scum wisdom p easily lol

[Milk & Mocha]

There are no other prs so

yea cuz the scum pr cant lie and say they r vt

you r not this stupid dude why r u playing dumb lol

[Milk & Mocha]

Why specifically scum Wisdom?

His progression on me is nonsense and its p obvious he doesnt actually believe I am scum

[Milk & Mocha]

also he is experience enough to know the last scum pr isnt a neighborizer rofl

neighborizer literally is negative utility and worse than a goon.

[Milk & Mocha]

hes pretending to be ignorant in so many spots like.

then when his ignorance is revealed he just handwaves like it doesnt even matter

[Milk & Mocha]

like he says im scum

i say no both scum tried to kill me d1

he says no they didnt

someone shows him a VC with both scum voting me

he says no voting doesnt count. they need to be pushing me to count

i show him 5 dunnstral posts pushing me

he drops the subject but still thinkz im scum

thats not a town progression lol

[Milk & Mocha]

wisdom why does the last mafia have to be non vanilla

[Milk & Mocha]

M&M you're acting like we have a conftown rolecop result that says you're a Neighborizer when it is very easy to see that you could be a JOAT here, possibly you're a compulsive JOAT even and you chose to neighborize last night to save something stronger for tonight

compulsive joat in a 2013 style normal

rofl ok

[Milk & Mocha]

i show him 5 dunnstral posts pushing me

he drops the subject but still thinkz im scum

thats not a town progression lol

I conceded the point

Doesn't mean youre not still scum

if you actually believed the reason for me being scum

being shown that the reason is nonsense would cause revaluation

you cant re evaluate because you need to mis elim me to win and poe is already very narrow for you

[Milk & Mocha]

ok what did i do n1 then

[Milk & Mocha]

and joats arent even normal rofl

[Milk & Mocha]

at least not 2013 normal

[Milk & Mocha]

this is a waste of time

either you guys r going to throw to scum wisdom or you are not

it is obvious he is just moving the goalposts from one marker to another while repeating "lim mm"

have a good weekend dude

[Milk & Mocha]

im sure the last scum pr if it exists is designed to compulsively out itself

rofl this is so dumb haha

[Milk & Mocha]

Why was the roleblocker gated to 2 shots if the other scum are vanilla
It doesnt feel right

This literally means nothing and makes 0 sense.

you balance a roleblocker against town power, not against the other scum role.

town has 2 1-shot strong PRs (a hider and a vig) so it makes sense the scum has a 2 shot roleblocker that can negate both 1 shot TPRs.

a scum neighborizer is literally negative utility against a town parity vanilla cop.

like how does it even make sense for a town parity vanilla cop to be supposed to catch a scum 1s neighborizer? is the scum neighborizer supposed to neighborize town? the very act of a scum neighborizer acting shows them to be a PR lol.

[Milk & Mocha]

This was done while dunn was still under heavy pressure, could easily be distancing

yea im sure the first thing dunnscum does is throw a vote on their mafia partner as soon as they are pressured

also i can sell you a bridge

[Milk & Mocha]

Don't think critter's the play today.

we're at like 60% of a sync =/. mostly i don't know what i'm doing.

VOTE: m&m

-b

why mm now >.>
like i'm not complaining but i don't get what changed

Yeah mm, vft sure pushed you a lot

so dunn voting/pushing me is distancing

and vft is just not pushing me?

i guess if vft was pushing me as hard as dunnstral was that would be TWO scum distancing off their partner right?

its funny how no matter what the flipped scum are doing to me, its either a "fake push" or "distancing"

this is just fitting a narrative to the conclusion you want, not actually evaluating

[Milk & Mocha]

and why the fuck would both scum be hardpushing me in the first place when LLD is already saying she wants to throw my ass in the fire?

it literally makes 0 sense for both of them to expend thread capital to push someone who's clearly trolling/not taking the game seriously and the IC has already decided to vote.

oh and there's not even a counterwagon at this point.

[Milk & Mocha]

If mm is not scum then the last scum is vanilla unless towelie fakeclaimed which i doubt
So we're then starting to eliminate vanillas

if you guys actually kill me and then let wisdom begin to eliminate the vanillas one after another im just going to be laughing my ass off postgame

[Milk & Mocha]

by laughing my ass off i mean pretend I never played this game cuz it'd be wisdom open-wolfing his way to the easiest win of his life

[Milk & Mocha]

lol yea i'm sure the last scum pr is a neighborizer

that literally outs itself

you can't possibly be town and believe that

[Milk & Mocha]

like aren't you supposed to be smart and good at the game or something?

[Milk & Mocha]

scum neighborizer is literally negative utility in this setup, even goon would be stronger

[Milk & Mocha]

yes i'm a mafia PR

with multiple abilities

and neighborizer

and i used

neighborizer to out myself

cuz that's totally the way to play a joat

lol sure dude

you're not this bad as town.

[Milk & Mocha]

if im a scum joat i'd use my other useful abilities

[Milk & Mocha]

literally did nothing night one lol

[Milk & Mocha]

3 MM (wisdom kyouko gamma)
1 wisdom (mm)

[Milk & Mocha]

I think it's pretty funny that you are going to say with a straight face that I'm a "scum joat" that both my partners decided to push to elim on D1.

cuz scum love to bus their PRs right away and lose all night agency.

yuuup :3

[Milk & Mocha]

you cherrypicked one post in which VFT showed "restraint" so they wouldn't look as bad after I greenflip

[Milk & Mocha]

more lies from you

here you go a refresher for your "memory:

[Milk & Mocha]

like he's just blatantly lying about what happened on d1

[Milk & Mocha]

lol

is scum dunn distancing from me or not pushing me at all

you should make up your mind when you lie so you're at least consistent with yourself

[Milk & Mocha]

wisdom: "THEY NEVER PUSHED POOKY"

pooky: here r screenshots of them pushing me

wisdom: "THEY ARE DISTANCING!!!!!"

[Milk & Mocha]

elim wisdom. if that doesn't flip scum, vig us tonight. his posts are ridiculous.

[Milk & Mocha]

idc what happens i am not dying before wisdom. he's basically open wolfing really hard right now and I'm not dying before a player like that dies regardless of his alignment honestly.

[Milk & Mocha]

dunn started pushing us a long time before he was ever under [a lot] of pressure. we SRed him and then he OMGUSed us really hard and then he just wouldn't let go. and we actually could've died on day 1 thats throwing the game hard in a lot of circumstances as SvS. make ur posts make sense.

[Milk & Mocha]

elim wisdom. if that doesn't flip scum, vig us tonight. his posts are ridiculous.

Okay lets do this vice versa. If you flip town ill be vigged. Deal?

you dont deserve to die after us. you're the scumbutt here not us.

[Milk & Mocha]

VFT is a goon

according to wisdom I'm a JOAT

[Milk & Mocha]

also why the fuck would I be hard bussing Dunn on D1 but defending VFT goon holy shit none of this makes any sense

[Milk & Mocha]

vig us if wisdom flips town

the town is so low wim that there's a p good chance wisdom runs all over it if he doesn't die here cuz we're like the only people who actually sus him

[Milk & Mocha]

how is bussing hypothetical scum!you throwing hard but bussing VFT not?

dunn jumping off VFT very possibly flips that lim to someone else

-b

i dont get ur point. if im scum, im scum joat vft is scum goon dunn is roleblocker. logic kind of says we dont bus me day 1. shocking. absolutely shocking.

[Milk & Mocha]

also why the fuck would I be hard bussing Dunn on D1 but defending VFT goon holy shit none of this makes any sense

this here

[Milk & Mocha]

vig us if wisdom flips town

the town is so low wim that there's a p good chance wisdom runs all over it if he doesn't die here cuz we're like the only people who actually sus him

THIS.

[Milk & Mocha]

how is bussing hypothetical scum!you throwing hard but bussing VFT not?

dunn jumping off VFT very possibly flips that lim to someone else

-b

if dunn jumps off VFT LLD will kill him dead dead.

Dunn was bussing VFT - AFTER LLD decided to kill VFT.

What's the incentive for dunn to go after me if i'm scum with him?

[Milk & Mocha]

vig us if wisdom flips town

the town is so low wim that there's a p good chance wisdom runs all over it if he doesn't die here cuz we're like the only people who actually sus him

THIS.

Accept the offer for a vig on me then, why dont you
It shouldnt make any difference
Oh, except you lose the game the moment youre limmed

why dont you accept the same offer?

you get elimmed, if you're town I get vigged at night

you should have no problem with that if you're town

[Milk & Mocha]

i'll even add i get elimmed the day AFTER in case i somehow survive being vigged so you can't say some bullshit about LOLSCUMJOAT BULLETPROOF or w/e

[Milk & Mocha]

also why the fuck would I be hard bussing Dunn on D1 but defending VFT goon holy shit none of this makes any sense

i agree w/ this in spirit, and was definitely a reason i thought you don't make sense as the third here. it's possible you take a gamble here knowing that doesn't go through but meh

-b

bruh. you really think that bomb's ever worth touching. we dont get anything good from the flip as scum. moon logic heaven omg

[Milk & Mocha]

Because i dont trust the vig, you might be bp or whatever
Plus youre at e-2 so its faster

nahhhh mush vigs ssbm and you slide by to elo if we flip today whereas we actually get vigged if you flip town. we drive a very fair bargain its just too bad its not fair to you because you're scum.

[Milk & Mocha]

who do you have if wisdom flips town?

we'll be dead if that happens so nothing is our problem anymore. you're probably scum if wisdom is town though.

[Milk & Mocha]

i highly doubt wisdom flips green

[Milk & Mocha]

also towelie is never scum lol

[Milk & Mocha]

lol i couldnt care less about your bargain, youre getting limd anyway

This whole deal discussion is just to prove even more youre scum

idc what you think either

[Milk & Mocha]

i'll even add i get elimmed the day AFTER in case i somehow survive being vigged so you can't say some bullshit about LOLSCUMJOAT BULLETPROOF or w/e

Ditto here.
If i survive the vig ill get limd.
So selfvote already

you self vote

[Milk & Mocha]

p hilarious watching wisdom go from

"vig sm" elim kyouko to

i am willing to be vigged

desperate much

[Milk & Mocha]

exactly. wisdom what are you so afraid of? you think scum has both RB and BP lmao?

[Milk & Mocha]

I could say the exact same to you lmfao.

[Milk & Mocha]

nope im not dying before you.

[Milk & Mocha]

you told mush to vig kyoto and mush was gonna do it. you think mush SRs you more than she SRs us. Yeah ok that makes sense.

[Milk & Mocha]

I think we win this outside of bears, and if bears survive the night… haha just kidding, there is no way bears survive the night unless they are BP or for some reason have a second RB (which, no one believes that one is on the table right?) and expending that on me at this stage would be a functionally confirmed guilty on the bear pair regardless. Come on.

except Mush already confirmed she's shooting us

so why are you wasting time wisdom

vote yourself

[Milk & Mocha]

oh yea you can't cuz the game will end

[Milk & Mocha]

i think it would've been more convincing if you kept your vote on yourself for more than 3 minutes homie

[Milk & Mocha]

Silly is perfectly possible with Noraa and Pooky in the mix, mind you. I really will shoot if you go green, this dust up doesn’t feel TvT to me at all. But you make way more sense as the scum side.

perfect analysis. wisdom lim ends the game.

[Milk & Mocha]

But you make way more sense as the scum side.

Nothing remotely makes sense with me as the scum side
I even fucking reread the whole game to prove mm is obviously the last scum

you reread and didn't think dunn was pushing us.

[Milk & Mocha]

all this ate literally makes 0 sense if wisdom actually is town and believes we are the last scum cuz there's literally a bullet coming for our brain at night and some rope if the bullet magically misses or w/e

[Milk & Mocha]

its they.

lmao. we die today, tonight, or tomorrow. we have no other path if you are town.
if we flip town, you do have a chance.
we are widely SRed. you are not.

these aren't level playing fields. you cant argue that we have a better chance than yourself lol

[Milk & Mocha]

not if we kill wisdom today!

[Milk & Mocha]

So he's being arrogant at 11:12, since he has me at E-2 and I'm the only one voting him, says its inevitable I die.

Gamma voteflips to him 1 minute later making it 2-2 btw Me/Him.

He reacts by voting himself - this is emotionally manipulative, he's hoping to convince Gamma to change his mind and get back on me.

Claims he's totally fine with dying "have it your way"

Claims he will site quit if I survive? like lol what? Mush has already claimed she will shoot me and if I somehow survive I just get voted out the next day so wtf does this even mean?




Mush calls Wisdom's bluff and votes him 1 minute after his self-vote, putting him at E-1.

He IMMEDIATELY backs down and "changes his mind" now he's no longer happy about self voting because its basically game over for him if it goes through.

The risk of self-voting is much different at E-2 and E-1, dude can't stand the heat so now he goes back into AtE screaming about how I'm "OBVSCUM"

like lol why?

why even commit to that level of AtE if you're town and MM is 100% scum to you? There's nothing for you to gain from it because like even if you flip town, MM gets shot overnight so who the fuck gives a shit?


so ofc here it comes:




Now it is a LOSS for town!wisdom if he gets elimmed! Even IF the town ends up winning?

Like lol WHAT?

see at 11:14 am he was cool with self voting and being elimmed if it leads to MM getting shot overnight cuz town wins?

and then at 11:17 he's no longer willing to self vote to kill himself.

and now at 11:23 he "considers mis elims of his own slot to be "game loss" REGARDLESS OF THE ACTUAL GAME OUTCOME"



Like cmon this is just a shitty self-vote gambit gone wrong and now he's twisting like a pretzel to try to desperately squirm out.

[Milk & Mocha]

r u really voting me out this game because I played to win in a previous game

w i l d

[Milk & Mocha]

mush will shoot us at night if wisdom doesnt end the game

what r u even worried about dude

[Milk & Mocha]

Wait wait hold up. MY MOMMA BEAR IS HERE?!

[Milk & Mocha]

Where is titus? where!

[Milk & Mocha]

ohhh I see I see. haiiiiiiiii o/

[Milk & Mocha]

I know i die to a vig shot

I don't know if he dies to a vig shot

and I know he can openwolf and get away with it so I have 0 confidence you ever catch him after I die


if i self vote and wisdom scum wins out i would be helping to gamethrow

[Milk & Mocha]

it scares me we think this much alike

if we're both town we'll prolly lose this ._.

theres like 0 chance wisdom believes this

[Milk & Mocha]

let's say the last scum is a bus driver (just an example cuz thats something that can survive a vig)

let's say wis!scumbusdriver vs mm town


MM gets elimmed

Wisdom busdrives himself/towelie
Wisdom shoots Mush
Mush vigs Wisdom

tomm Towelie/Mush dead

We open with

Gamma
Wisdom
Kyouko
SM
Jada


Wisdom can win this endgame, literally 0 people still alive actually want to kill wisdom.

maybe just Gamma? and that's it and none of the people alive are loud enough to take him on.


lets flip the tables

Let's say MM scum does the same thing to Wisdom!town

Wisdom flips town
MM!scum busdrives to swap MM/Towelie
MM shoots Mush

We open with:


Gamma
MM
Kyouko
SM
Jada


what happens?

MM dies within like 2 minutes of the thread opening

Kyouko wants me dead
Gamma wants me dead
SM probably joins them?

Like there's almost no chance I survive even if I have some way of deflecting the vig shot, which I don't

[Milk & Mocha]

if wisdom is town I'd vig gamma

[Milk & Mocha]

i mean its pretty obv he's just listing people in order of how he wants to eliminate them

this is not like an actual suspect list

[Milk & Mocha]

Dunnstral didn't have to use his roleblock on N1 on anyone.

Also there's no reason Gamma gets nightkilled if we're T/T here because who is gamma even going to catch?

[Milk & Mocha]

like in a world where me/you is T v T

there's only 1 scum PR

so what's gamma even supposed to be doing?

[Milk & Mocha]

Towelie and Kyouko aren't even in your POE dude

[Milk & Mocha]

I don't think I even can change people's minds at this point though. I'm not good enough to pull that off, that's for sure.

Let's pretend you changed everyone's minds.

who do you want to eliminate today ?

[Milk & Mocha]

ok so if you think Wisdom is last scum.

1) why would you be ok with voting yourself out?

2) how come you haven't voted for wisdom today?