Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Towelie]

also why the fuck would I be hard bussing Dunn on D1 but defending VFT goon holy shit none of this makes any sense

i agree w/ this in spirit, and was definitely a reason i thought you don't make sense as the third here. it's possible you take a gamble here knowing that doesn't go through but meh

-b

[Towelie]

if dunn jumps off VFT LLD will kill him dead dead.

yeah, on reflection i agree.

-b

[Towelie]

bruh. you really think that bomb's ever worth touching. we dont get anything good from the flip as scum. moon logic heaven omg

as evidenced by my "meh", no, i don't think you probably do that

who do you have if wisdom flips town?

-b

[Towelie]

who do you have if wisdom flips town?

we'll be dead if that happens so nothing is our problem anymore. you're probably scum if wisdom is town though.

yeah uh considering i was asking that to see if there were any other lines you wanted me to pursue if you both flipped town, well, SM just took the words out of my mouth lol

-b

[Towelie]

not voting until i can talk to noddy but 2877 is generally how i feel, even if i feel i have points of contention on both slots

-b

[Towelie]

I take it as a loss when im limmed as town

i know that people can change a fucking lot in 8 years so i don't care that much about this point but:
I do recall viewtopic.php?f=84&t=26831 where there ended up being a plan that involved limming you that you were ok with
we lost because i am bad (people don't change _that_ much in 8 years)

-b

[Towelie]

The entire point of this game is simple mechanic that someone can join coming out of the newbie queue for the love of god

[Towelie]

It was literally said IN QUEUE

And it shouldn’t be in mini normals because it does have flavor snd mini normals are bland as fuck

[Towelie]

I expect you read THIS game where I quoted the queue multiple times

[Towelie]

Also we’re thinking about stuff atm, trying to weigh the parts of the setup.

[Towelie]

I'm clearly sandbagging here because again I don't feel particularly good about the gamestate. Usually I can identify town here by examining who's paranoid that we've misconstrued the gamestate, but like outside of mush i'm not seeing that from really anyone.

@SM - I don't feel like I have any idea what you think about anything. Any reads you're confident in?
@ssbm - why is a you shot better than a Wisdom shot FYPOV (assuming M&M flips town at that point)?

-b

[Towelie]

like if one of M&M/Wisdom is scum here they're both willing to die on this weird ass "at least I got vigged over elimed" hill?

I've just never really seen anything like this.

-b

[Towelie]

Here's a better way to put why I feel weird about it:

A townie that is as confident as both claim to be in the other being scum should really be ok self-voting here, but this weird "matter of pride" thing that is creeping into the angles here is indeed making me wonder whether there is a substantive difference between getting elimed vs vigged that actually lies behind this.

p-edit: It could be this too, in which case I am going to roll my eyes fucking hard postgame. But it is probably why you both have to die at this point; I think I'm probably reiterating Mush here though.

-b

[Towelie]

I've been talking to noddy in private about fear of scum gamma since the gameday began but was expecting a body before i ever had to worry about it.

my main argument against it other than what wisdom said which i agree with: does scum gamma pick jada/SM for the investigation? The way I asked for claims too he could've waited for anyone to claim and then picked whomever he wanted to. instead he picked two slots that up until very recently seemed like limbait.

-b

[Towelie]

also still don't think gamma ever pulls that CC routine as scum, he'd have to be pretty shrewd to make that work in the best case and i'm not sure most scum want to lock themselves into a claim w/o clear benefit in the moment

-b

[Towelie]

Alright troops this is the Bork and notty show now shape up or ship out

Report in now, I’m babe ruthing this bitch to send us into postgame

[Towelie]

We're synced. I'll let him take it from here; he likes this part.

-b

[Towelie]

Final scum is SM. Final answer, cut the stupid TvT Shit I don’t care who mush wants to shoot tonighg because she’s not going to have to. Everyone else is town, we’re stuck in this loop because we don’t want the answer to be this easy. Dunn early interactions make ssbm town plus her play. Dunn repeatedly fanned Pooky paranoia and had some awkward ducking posts about Pooky. Dunn had that weird FoS Shit on mush I’ve literally never seen him do before.

SM struggles to engage as scum. Go to their completed games, hit their ISO without checking alignment and see if they’re engaged. I bet you they’re town.

I want the hammer.

[Towelie]

Someone else vote so I can hammer and go to bed pls and thx

[Towelie]

I picked three games at random and was able to correctly guess your alignment off the tell I just shared.

[Towelie]

Even now, after I told you that you aren’t engaging and trying to figure things out you still aren’t. Like, beetlejuice tells aren’t supposed to actually work lmao

[Towelie]

Show me. Link them! Prove me wrong.

[Towelie]

Tell you what- scouts honor. Link me games you did nothing without telling me your alignment snd I will guess without looking.

Ninja- I literally see glimpses of solving in that ISO… lol.

[Towelie]

In case this both goes through and whiffs I think I actively don't want the bears elim at this point. I just think interactions w/ both flipped scum don't work here and the neighborizing power doesn't do anything except make that team probably weaker to gamma.

Wisdom I go back and forth on; his progressions seem organic enough today and best case for Wisdom town is the meta dive on SS which I just probably don't bother with if I'm casing my buddy; it would seem to me the the LLD kill and the gamma block point to that team wanting dunn to go deep. I guess I could see scum!Wisdom wanting be be a late game hero and carry across the finish line but I'm not sure how much weight that needs to hold here. Some things fit here, many others really just don't.

Other slots I'm just out of spoons for this game day

-b

[Towelie]

All of y’all are lurking and not doing anything just bring SM to hammer range for me so I can hammer

One more vote folks

[Towelie]

Do you just want me to self vote here?

I mean if you're town I want you to derail this mislim in a way that makes us realize we're wrong about your slot. I realize that's a tall ask that's going to be fighting against a lot of confbias at this point.

I asked in 2553 what a good way to read you would be. I don't think you ever answered me.
You've expressed a vague sense of unease at Wisdom v Pooky but like haven't tried to dig into what that is other than really vague doomsaying about one of M&M's posts that you didn't really explain.
I want to know how you've reconciled that against your early game Wisdom scumread. You said you don't necessarily think the fight is TvT. Do you think it's TvS? Do you just not know? Do you not care?
I want to know about your townreads.

Like I said earlier, we're where we are in the game and I just don't see a trajectory other than going through the motions. You've said you're disengaged. Why? What would take you to become engaged? If you're town we're momentously ahead here -- i'd probably expect that to be somewhat engaging by virtue of the big W in the sky that's almost within reach?

-b
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[Towelie]

I keeo doing hydra erasure and I need to stop doing that. Sorry Noraa.

-b

[Towelie]

Gamma scum landscape:

??? Investigative
2x roleblocker
goon

v

Macho IC
Ind Doc
Xx Novice Vig
1x Neighborizer
1x Weak Hider

This seems scumsided to me. Roleblocker seems p strong here, esp v that hider (can godfather hider results and by its mere flip can call them into question)

-b

[Towelie]

We are the only water absorbing cloth allowed here, SSBM.

Go do the homework I assigned and come back to me.

[Towelie]

VOTE: SM

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[Towelie]

Told you ssbm was town

[Towelie]

Gg all