Mini 2243: Chromatic Ascension || Game Over!

[Knight Chartreuse]

I'm here to have some fun, and leave some of my woes behind! So let's make this a dance worth remembering!

[Knight Chartreuse]

I am looking for a Knight that can provide direction to my aimless heart. One who can capture my fleeting fancy and hold it, showing me the wonders of the world anew.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Hey knights, hey knights.

You know what would be really funny, awkward, eye-soring, and perhaps give your colorful faces a few wrinkles?

A page 2 propose.

Propose: Knight Marigold

My only wish is to know what about Knight Marigold has taken your fancy already?

[Knight Chartreuse]

My only wish is to know what about Knight Marigold has taken your fancy already?

Literally the only reason is that Marigold is the closest to being my color's complementary color.

A valid concept, minus the fact that my complement is unfortunately missing.

[Knight Chartreuse]

One suggestion I have is to peruse prior dance games and see which picking method (greater picking the lesser, lesser picking the greater) more often results in a victory for the town. We have the ability to go both directions, but I feel like I'd rather we keep things orderly so we don't form some love polyhedron monstrosity.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Part of me feels that I lack the proper passion to declare strong feelings for anyone else. Mayhaps someone will propose to me in a way that brings me out of my shell?

[Knight Chartreuse]

The only people I feel much feelings at all towards are those on my side of the spectrum, honestly. A bit disappointing, and a problem I've noted as a common one in past dance games.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I really liked the old Burgundy’s posting and was very sad to see him go.
On the flip side, Knight Beige, I must ask what your bent against me is? I see not a single thing I could have done to have slighted you.

[Knight Chartreuse]

That’s not me saying I would have accepted the proposal had I been in to do so: I wanted to question Beige before making a decision.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I don’t recall Burgundy’s stance being that simple?

[Knight Chartreuse]

Hrmph. That does seem so. Also I feel like he tried a bit too hard to ascribe meaning to my words, to the point I’m pretty sure he missed the mark entirely? I feel like my meaning was more emotional than practical. Which in a way means the words I used express just about what I actually meant.
I’m still a sucker for flattery though.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Maybe once you share some thoughts with the class.
Although I’m intrigued by Rose’s reaction to old Azure slipping.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I do not know why my former self thought as they did. As for me upon looking at the game I think it was too early for a dance in general. I think everyone should be made to post so we avoid strong wolves pairing with strong townies.

Based on this latest page I wouldn’t be sad if Azure went dateless because I don’t like their posting. The vulgarity does nothing to help their slot and their ISO is lacking. I also disagree with Rainbow knight being paired with towniest slot. I think Rainbow Knight should make their choice and we read them just like anyone else. Rainbow knight is a PR that’s it. Otherwise hope you brought your pitons.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Ugh I wish we could eliminate. I only have a scumread in Azure. I have a couple of town pings in Beige and Daffodil but nothing to the level of a dance yet.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I said what I said and meant what I meant. I think this site should be welcoming for all and you making an obviously fake “wrong thread” while discussing unmentionables alienates minor players as well as provides no content for me to read you. It’s all about attention versus scum or town hunting.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I keep backspacing this message

I have thoughts but I'm afraid they're stupid

Help

Stupid thoughts can still be useful if they help to show us that you are genuine. I encourage you to be free flowing with your words and see if it helps. What's the worst that can happen, you look stupid on an anonymous alt?

I like this post.

I don’t know why it made me laugh but it did.

[Knight Chartreuse]

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

More like “what’s the worst that could happen, you look bad on an alt?” Made me laugh. It’s true and relieves stress. I don’t know the word to describe it.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I am also having a little trouble keeping everyone straight, but I think Azure is town.

Can you explain why please? I don’t get that vibe.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I wish you didn't lecture me

I'm a person too

I'm sorry if my kinks offended you

Um I mean

Please don't judge me

It’s not the kinks that offend. I am a pro kink person. But best left in private chambers so minors can play?

[Knight Chartreuse]

Your response to me was negative though

You said you wouldn't want me to dance

I felt kink shamed and lectured

What do you want me from me?

Stop making things sexual and make things about who you’d want to dance with and why.

It feels like this is a smokescreen for a lack of content.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Why are you still lecturing me

Because this isn’t marked as an 18+ game and you’re posting 18+ content without an NSFW spoiler?

[Knight Chartreuse]

Then don’t do it further.

I will keep what was said about Azure in advisement but I find this type of posting common with ne’er do wells

Pedit they only gave thay when pressured

I want to see them be proactive and hunt

[Knight Chartreuse]

I think you're scummy Chart

Then you do. I will be an obvious knight in shining armor eventually. I am a slow burn.

[Knight Chartreuse]

But I'm a little biased because it's towards me

I just think you spend all this time lecturing but

I know little about you

Just that you're actually pro kink

But what did that accomplish

A healthy game where everyone can play and hunt. Once that is established then can go for details. You’re also glossing over the reads I gave before. Why?

[Knight Chartreuse]

You're lecturing again

IDK maybe I just don't vibe with you

Your tone is really stiff

What is the lecture here?

You asked what it accomplished I answered.

Again, you ignored my reads and when I call you out for not hunting your response is to attack me? Nagl.

I can be stiff as a board if I wanna be I am town.

I don’t have to jive with people I have to find town and scum and post my reads and let people see me for who I am. If someone wishes to dance with me they will. If not then you’ll know all the scum paired up. Win win.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Ugh I wish we could eliminate. I only have a scumread in Azure. I have a couple of town pings in Beige and Daffodil but nothing to the level of a dance yet.

I do not know why my former self thought as they did. As for me upon looking at the game I think it was too early for a dance in general. I think everyone should be made to post so we avoid strong wolves pairing with strong townies.

Based on this latest page I wouldn’t be sad if Azure went dateless because I don’t like their posting. The vulgarity does nothing to help their slot and their ISO is lacking. I also disagree with Rainbow knight being paired with towniest slot. I think Rainbow Knight should make their choice and we read them just like anyone else. Rainbow knight is a PR that’s it. Otherwise hope you brought your pitons.

These are the only posts I could see as reads but

The two reads that aren't me aren't explained

Correct. They are not well developed. It’s more initial thoughts.

However I literally just got my missive a bit ago and placed initial thoughts. Things take time to cook.

But saying you don’t know anything is false. You had those reads.

If you thought I was scum then you’d be reading my posts carefully. Therefore I do not believe you’re hunting.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Might I suggest a break for you both while you see other people?

Page inflation, chaos, apathy, those are tools of those who seek to do us harm.

Let us not allow such things to happen here.

Fair enough. I shall examine elsewhere but I find the knight in blue most infuriating.

My goal with what I was doing is to express my scumread and if it was wrong force you to hunt and poke and ask questions and if I am right reads by association form.

Alas I have offended the lavender player and maybe making the game harder for them so I think my point is clear.

[Knight Chartreuse]

ADDITIONALLY:
The Rainbow Knight was given the choice of Warm or Cool. They have picked Cool.

Tonight, The Rainbow Knight will be able to visit someone to host a very special, very private chat. A great honor, given from the most illustrious Knight of Hue. Do you hope it will be you?

Can someone explain to me why people are assuming Rainbow Knight is town?

I do not see anything that says they are an innocent child?

[Knight Chartreuse]

ADDITIONALLY:
The Rainbow Knight was given the choice of Warm or Cool. They have picked Cool.

Tonight, The Rainbow Knight will be able to visit someone to host a very special, very private chat. A great honor, given from the most illustrious Knight of Hue. Do you hope it will be you?

Can someone explain to me why people are assuming Rainbow Knight is town?

I do not see anything that says they are an innocent child?

The rainbow maiden is town not due to their role, or anything Lady Ydrasse says, but due to their words and deeds, if my opinion can be submitted.

It can. Just the beginning of the game felt awkward because of that assumption.

I am more trying to figure out who is hunting vs assuming. There’s a weird dynamic around rainbow at the start I don’t like. Eg suggesting Rainbow knight kill or trying to control who they date

[Knight Chartreuse]

I feel you on the colors.

Going to read back after my chart reuse about your prior posts.

Have you caught up yet on things where they stand?

Also why are you bolding players’ names? That makes posts harder to read.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I feel you on the colors.

Going to read back after my chart reuse about your prior posts.

Have you caught up yet on things where they stand?

Also why are you bolding players’ names? That makes posts harder to read.

This is going to be rich, but I thought bolding names would help me remember them better. It didn't work. I'll cut it out if it makes reading my posts more difficult.

Please. It does.

I am very much a stream player rather than a wall post player.

I am currently working against myself to not slip who I am and having words bolded that are not meant to be emphasized makes it harder for me to find what you find important and what you don’t.

If you had to specify a townread of the warms who would it be and why?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I am also having a little trouble keeping everyone straight, but I think Azure is town.

Oh, I feel a little less embarrassed not being the only one.

Ugh I wish we could eliminate. I only have a scumread in Azure. I have a couple of town pings in Beige and Daffodil but nothing to the level of a dance yet.

Is it possible you could elaborate on this scumread? (Especially about Azure #1)

Azure seems to be performance over substance. I can’t find a rhythm to their posts. I don’t see where there’s any logic to pick at (except 205) and that had to be pulled out of them.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I know that’s a rather unwieldy explanation for my Azure read but I have a question out to Yddrasse so I can stay an honorable knight.

[Knight Chartreuse]

So Rainbow Knight is confirmed town, right?

Now that I have confirmed with Ydrasse that we are capable of talking about flipped open identities I suspect Azure for making this post. GiF is mechanically savvy and this is offputting for Gif.

Knight Burgundy being SirCakez tends to be a miselimination. I wish the slot had stayed because I am pretty good at reading Cakez given time.

[Knight Chartreuse]

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86832&user_select%5B%5D=20765

Contrast to this here where Gif had a lot more posts than here.

Azure Gif doesn’t feel like town Gif.

I know you can’t and shouldn’t answer the following but I think you should think about it: Is this town Gif based on your experience if you’ve played with Gif? If not a look at Azure is warranted.

I will not say whether I have played with Gif but this doesn’t sound like them.

[Knight Chartreuse]

That’s why it’s only a read and not rah rah. I want new Azure to wow my socks off.

Considering the defenses that were immediate to a slot that has done almost nothing that means either I have the vibe wrong (possible) or a scum buddy is defending Azure (possible) or we have derp town (possible).

I am not looking for rah rah scum elim I am looking for a warm knight I can trust and I figured expressing my read and putting it out there is a good way to find a warm knight I trust.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Uhhhhhhh

I think

We're not allowed to talk about this stuff? The replacements and who was who

It’s why I asked Ydrasse. She said that we can talk about what’s open knowledge.

I just can’t go hunting for who you are.

[Knight Chartreuse]

That’s why it’s only a read and not rah rah. I want new Azure to wow my socks off.

Considering the defenses that were immediate to a slot that has done almost nothing that means either I have the vibe wrong (possible) or a scum buddy is defending Azure (possible) or we have derp town (possible).

I am not looking for rah rah scum elim I am looking for a warm knight I can trust and I figured expressing my read and putting it out there is a good way to find a warm knight I trust.

You're particularly tunneled on one slot as having done "almost nothing" when I could make that assertion about half the game, most of whom I would argue have done

less

than Azure.

Digging in your heels and pulling the meta is probably town indicative if I had to say, but the focus is very strange to me.

Maybe so. I just think that I hold town Gif to a high standard of scum hunting and mechanical prowess.

That standard wasn’t met then having my first impression of the slot 2.0 being 18+ jokes is rather off putting. So I expressed the read while my feet get wet.

To be met with overwhelming town is a bit shocking. Especially I wonder if anyone is actually looking back at Gif/Azure and Cakez/Burgundy.

[Knight Chartreuse]

It's not um

Just not posting

I thought their posts were scummy too: #207

I can go for excluding Seaform.

I like this spicy read and effort.

You can go to null.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Of course, I guess all early scum declines are performative.

They could be holding out for a better partner, alternatively.

Can we just leave Seafoam out

I feel dumb just going

Yeah

The person who is not posting must be scum

But like

Scum don't really post unless they have to

Or they like being scum

Sorting by post count is unfortunately an effective strategy. I am not ready to condemn Seafoam yet, but I would shed no tears over losing them. Indigo is just as much a nonentity to me.

Who is your most townread warm knight?

I’d love it if all the warm knights answered this please.

I want this from all the warm knights.

I want to see something.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Why are you being nice to me

Being nice is a free action, after all.

You get my first town read.

But I wanna see your swift and bonus and main actions to be sure.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Nerds.

Duh. We are all mafia nerds.

[Knight Chartreuse]

The Rainbow Knight - Moderate town
Knight Azure - Strong town
Knight Chartreuse - Lean Town
Knight Indigo - Who
Knight Lavender - Would partner with but meh
Knight Magenta - Who
Knight Seafoam - Who


Knight Beige - Moderate town
Knight Burgundy - Cakez are good.
Knight Crimson - Lean Scum
Knight Daffodil - Lean Scum
Knight Marigold - Gun to my head scum
Knight Rose - Who


This reads list feels wrong...

What is the ordering of this list?

[Knight Chartreuse]

It looks like it’s alphabetical order vs reads.

Who are your top three town and scum?

[Knight Chartreuse]

Perhaps. However, the meaning they described isn't even really an argument for proposing to you, if I am honest. "They were looking for a scumhunting partner". Sure, that's a justification, but it's also an admittance that you don't have a read on Chartreuse. It's so fascinating to me.

I think SirCakez was looking for an active partner to sort through his palette.

No, he proposed citing post 31 as a reason. He never said he was looking for an active partner to sort.

Spoiler:

I am looking for a Knight that can provide direction to my aimless heart. One who can capture my fleeting fancy and hold it, showing me the wonders of the world anew.

propose to knight chartreuse

Really don't want to get left out

Really don't want to get left out

But you can't get left out because you are warm knight.

Oops that is a fact about this game <.<
Well I liked Chartreuse's opening

Really don't want to get left out

But you can't get left out because you are warm knight.

Not really? Through the ridiculous floral language they are basically looking for someone to help them w scum hunting this game is what I got

It is this simple

I think Burgundy is scum.

Agree or disagree?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I believe all the pairs have to be paired up? Am I correct or no?

[Knight Chartreuse]

Everybody needs to be paired, and one cool knight will be left out right away.

I am thinking that I partner up with Burgundy. I think they’re scum. My strength is in townreads not scum ones so it’s not that big a deal if I am eliminated. I can just voluntarily exit at any time and it flips us both yeah?

[Knight Chartreuse]

Lemme ask Ydrasse if the exit thing is only d2 or later.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Indigo gives me Gentleman 9 vibes. I'll elaborate on that in a bit.

Pretty sure this ain't allowed.

If Gentleman 9 is a completed game I think it’s fine.
If Gentleman 9 is a player or uncompleted game it is not fine.

Wouldn’t we lose two town voices if I am town and you are @Burgundy?

[Knight Chartreuse]

If I am scum and I immediately take you out when you have like no scumreads that’s a pretty poor play.

I am really not seeing town Burgundy here.

[Knight Chartreuse]

To answer your question: Lavender, Magenta, and through Magenta Rose.
I waffle on Crimson.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Oh! Looking back, I think 183 is what made me think Crimson was Gamma Emerald and got replaced.

Hi! I am the slot that was Gamma’s.

Does this change your reads any?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I am looking for a Knight that can provide direction to my aimless heart. One who can capture my fleeting fancy and hold it, showing me the wonders of the world anew.

propose to knight chartreuse

You should rescind this since you don’t wanna dance with me.

[Knight Chartreuse]

If I was a sneaky person I would just accept it as i scum read you but I am not.

[Knight Chartreuse]

You can't "rescind" anything

Oh then how do I reject so Azure and Burgundy are dancing?

[Knight Chartreuse]

You can't "rescind" anything

Oh then how do I reject so Azure and Burgundy are dancing?

They should be dancing, the proposal doesn't matter if you don't accept it

Coolio.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I think Daff has been quite clear in his language use, which posts do you feel are purposefully opaque?

236 feels like a real read/thought-process with some depth and nuance that I liked, have you read it?

A wall that townreads the most town player in the game and appears unprompted. Ok.

I think Chartreuse was the one who asked Daffodil about it?

Don’t think so. If I recall correctly I made a comment about a part of that read wall?

I asked Burgundy about their read wall but that’s a different one.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I am also having a little trouble keeping everyone straight, but I think Azure is town.

Can you explain why please? I don’t get that vibe.

^ this is where Chart asked Daff.

20 minutes later Daff posts his wall about why Azure is town.

I think it's likely these are genuine thoughts Daff has about Azure.

Also if you look at the context of why Daff posts this wall, it's in the middle of Azure/Chart having a spat in the thread so it's not like Daff is doing it randomly for towncred; Daff wants to prevent the Azure/Chat conflict from growing.

That's something I rarely see scum do when there is a fight in a thread.

Whoops! I forgot this post.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Rainbow Knight or Beige May I have this dance?

I would like to dance with either of you if I may?

[Knight Chartreuse]

You can't propose to me as we are both cool

Same temperature marriage should be a thing!

May I have this dance Beige?

[Knight Chartreuse]

Hi, hello, I am here. I haven't posted much because no one seems to be online when I have time to post. And most of my free time for mafia is being eat up by trying to catch up reading in a game full of fluffy posts. Everybody scum reading me for low activity is inherently scummy though and I'm willing to prove it by not dancing with anyone so you all can see my flip. I assume I don't need to get into the nitty gritty of why scum reading low activity players is +scum for whoever does so.

This is only helpful if you’re town and provide reads.

Low activity is just one metric of many. If active players were scummy then I think the convo would be different. I think Burgundy is scummy. Do you agree, yes or no?

Do any reads stick out to you?

[Knight Chartreuse]

Because y'all were larping for 80% of the game last time I posted.

Awww if this is true I need my bean bag of magic missile. I am really missing out on the 1 one thousand 2 one thousand 3’s!

[Knight Chartreuse]

Does anyone think

I made a mistake accepting Burgundy?

I think Burgundy was scared of me potentially just exiting soon as D2 started. I think it was a mistake personally because unless Burgundy towns it up I think they’re probably eliminated and that would also elim you by default. Which isn’t a bad thing to me tbh since you’re not a townread of mine. You’re not a scumread either. You just exist?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I have 0 qualms about leaving Indigo out of the game if this is how they're going to play, and if they're town the blame lies entirely with them. I don't have the patience to try to force someone to play.


I liked both Azure and Chartreuse, on balance. I'm less certain of their partners here. I don't feel that Burgundy or Beige have especially towntold.


I feel like I'm being avoided this game. By the time I reached Daffodil's comment about not remembering anything I've posted, it started to unsettle me. I don't feel as though I've been especially opaque but I can scarcely draw a comment from most people. Magenta actually bothering to respond to something I said with a townread flattered me enough that I might say sod it and just work with them.

Same here. They dodged a direct question to me.

Also technically beige isn’t my partner until they accept my palette.

I kinda like this post so if Beige says no I don’t mind pairing with you either.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I guess Chartreuse-Beige isn't official yet, even though I'm treating it like it is. A lot of people seem to be weakly townreading them, but I just...don't see it. There's some questioning, some quibbling with others over their reads, one spot of weak shade against Crimson, but not a whole lot I would say is truly town-indicative. What am I missing here?

They missed => Indigo missed to be clear

I guess it’s more a vibe thing. I tended to agree with most of what their vibe is so good enough for a pairing. We could work together I think.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Well this immediately got not fun

What would it take to become fun?

[Knight Chartreuse]

Too snarky and competitive and it feels more alone than

Someone who has to worry about partners

Wdym by this? Beginning Burgundy was sorta scummy to me, but that was Cakez so... I think their more recent posts look more normal.

Also, I feel like it's not really productive to ask the same questions to Indigo at this point. I think maybe just let them play the game and what happens will happen.

That’s be great….if Indigo actually played?

[Knight Chartreuse]

Could it really just be Burgundy Indigo and another? And that’s why Indigo finds it unfun?

I mean “What would make the game fun?” Is as soft a question as it gets.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I was typing out an answer and realized it probably comes too close to breaking the rules. So I'll just say I'm not sure we'd be compatible, and I'd be worried you'd get paranoid. Perhaps I misjudge you. But that is the impression I get.

I’d caution against some stuff like this. Some players maybe intentionally changing their meta as it’s an anon game or intentionally trying to look like another person. Best probably to judge what a person has brought to the table rather than who you think they are.

[Knight Chartreuse]

You can't propose to me as we are both cool

Same temperature marriage should be a thing!

May I have this dance Beige?

I still have reservations from when Gamma proposed to Marigold out of the blue. I have better feelings about your slot after you talked with Azure. You are not bottom 3 in my reads right now, which means I don't currently want you dead. This is a good opportunity for me to figure out if you are town, so I will take it.

I will dance with Chartreuse

Thank you friend! I look forward to dancing with you!

[Knight Chartreuse]

Sorry that you are not having fun.

Unfortunately, I am not a fan of these posts. It's fine to fall behind, but to me this feels more like making excuses.

I'm not sure why you jumped straight to "vote me out" mode, I've been waiting for you to engage with the thread after you initially expressed interest.

Not quoting all the posts about Indigo as my point is the same for all.

Indigo is probably town but needs to be a replace out or lim. A slot that's not playing cannot be anywhere near elo. Usually town throw tantrums like this, but there's a nonzero chance Indigo is scum whining because his team is losing hard.

I hate this post. It’s a bad idea to encourage a player to replace out. It’s a pet peeve of mine.This post also has stock in Waffle House. Why are you just rehashing the same point made rather than on a new slot that you scumread?

I focus on you because I believe you’re scum. I do not like your posts at all.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I feel my intent has been mistaken.

My message to the knight of the Pokemon League Indigo Plateau was not intended as shade, but as the opening of a dialogue to help them express what parts of the game they did have thoughts about.

That it was slapped down and taken as hostile makes me sad, but communication is a two way street so I accept that I could have worded things better.

I don’t think you did anything wrong Lavender. Indigo clearly didn’t want to engage on what was more fun when asked so they didn’t want to come back in. It was only a matter of time before a replace out or just no pairing happened.

[Knight Chartreuse]

On the albeit most briefest of skims, I like both Marigold and Rose but would hands down accept Rose over Marigold, since I think I’d enjoy partnering with them a lot more. It might be worth it to sit out than pair with Marigold but I’m not digging my heels on that yet.

So, that would obviously mean that there’s at least one paired scum amongst the warm knights, since I think it’s unlikely that all scum are any one color.

Why do you say this? RNG is a thing?

I would love to see a read list of the entire game from you.

[Knight Chartreuse]

On the albeit most briefest of skims, I like both Marigold and Rose but would hands down accept Rose over Marigold, since I think I’d enjoy partnering with them a lot more. It might be worth it to sit out than pair with Marigold but I’m not digging my heels on that yet.

So, that would obviously mean that there’s at least one paired scum amongst the warm knights, since I think it’s unlikely that all scum are any one color.

Why do you say this? RNG is a thing?

I would love to see a read list of the entire game from you.

You think scum is all one color? Wouldn’t that be unusual? In previous dance games, that wasn’t the case.

And sure I just repped in, so I don’t just want to rush and make half-assed wishy washy reads.

So far, I like you, Beige and Rose, Seafoam and maybe Daffodil.

I have no reason to include or exclude any possibility yet. I want to see how things shake out.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Sorry that you are not having fun.

Unfortunately, I am not a fan of these posts. It's fine to fall behind, but to me this feels more like making excuses.

I'm not sure why you jumped straight to "vote me out" mode, I've been waiting for you to engage with the thread after you initially expressed interest.

Not quoting all the posts about Indigo as my point is the same for all.

Indigo is probably town but needs to be a replace out or lim. A slot that's not playing cannot be anywhere near elo. Usually town throw tantrums like this, but there's a nonzero chance Indigo is scum whining because his team is losing hard.

If you think my slot is town but shouldn’t get near elo for not playing, how do you justify my being left out altogether?

Can you rephrase this?

If a slot doesn’t get a partner it’s flipped. If you’re flipped you don’t get near elo.

And yes please sing. Sing it for the boys! Sing it for the girls! Sing it for the enbies all over the world!

[Knight Chartreuse]

• [3] Unpaired Cool Knights:
  
  
  Knight Indigo
  Knight Magenta
  Knight Seafoam
  
  
  [2] Unpaired Warm Knights:
  
  
  Knight Marigold
  Knight Rose

[4] Current Palettes:

Knight Crimson - Knight Lavender
Knight Burgundy - Knight Azure
Knight Beige - Knight Chartreuse
Knight Daffodil - The Rainbow Knight

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-10-08 19:30:58).

This is a thing fellow knights. We should probably focus on these slots needing to pair up.

[Knight Chartreuse]

propose to marigold

tbh i think both marigold and rose are town

Don’t accept Marigold, your instinct I believe is right on Seafoam.

I hate this post.

Indigo hasn’t given a read wall. They responded to the read wall meaning they have at best one scumread in Magenta at best.

If they’re playing to be flipped and town then future pairings should account into that.
If they’re town playing for survival then surely they’d have some sort of read on the remaining warm knights.

I think it’s Burgundy + Indigo + someone

[Knight Chartreuse]

A quick check with our most gracious host has confirmed that should a final pair be made, the remainder of our time is lost to the void.

Once five becomes three, those who would make three into one should take their time, lest we let haste make waste.

Do we need it though? A majority of us have scumreads and townreads? What does delaying do for us except stagnate the game?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I am happy with allowing the unpaired Knights to naturally determine when this phase ends.

Me too. Well said.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I mean it’s up to those 5 who gets paired and who doesn’t. It’s outside our hands. Waiting until an artificial deadline feels a bit stagnanty unless you’re wanting to see something in particular. Are you wanting to see something Burgundy because setting a deadline of Friday seems arbitrary and antitown.

[Knight Chartreuse]

propose to marigold

tbh i think both marigold and rose are town

Don’t accept Marigold, your instinct I believe is right on Seafoam.

I hate this post.

Indigo hasn’t given a read wall. They responded to the read wall meaning they have at best one scumread in Magenta at best.

If they’re playing to be flipped and town then future pairings should account into that.
If they’re town playing for survival then surely they’d have some sort of read on the remaining warm knights.

I think it’s Burgundy + Indigo + someone

Why? I’ve made it abundantly clear I like Seafoam more than Magenta. I don’t do walls and I make reads organically. I’m starting to question if I possibly dodged a bullet by not repping into your slot.

What bullet would you have dodged?

You’ve made it clear you don’t want to give reads. I don’t know and can’t find your reads on a good chunk of the game.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I’m not playing to be flipped anything. I’m just trying to honestly give reads as best I can. If people can tell I’m town, awesome and if not, I can post all my thoughts which I hope won’t be ignored upon my flip. I would still very much like to be paired with Rose but if not, c’est la vie.

And you haven’t asked them in bold because?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I like Seafoam.

Words, please? I only need a sentence or two, just something more than indigo.

God I can't even get the names of colours right

It's okay, just play it off like it was an intentional joke, ha ha~

Why did you say this to Crimson?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I guess I don’t do friendly banter like that? Am I just weird? Or is Burgundy Marigold Crimson a good combo?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I don't think that 554 indicates that they are aligned.

Survey says I am weird. K. Thanks.

[Knight Chartreuse]

i would be willing to bet my life in this game on indigo scum
rose might be scum and is in my poe so far
i'm a universal sr and no matter who i'm paired with i'll be limbait

none of us pair

I agree indigo is scum. Rose I don’t think is though. I think it would be good to pair with Rose. You are not a scumread of mine.

[Knight Chartreuse]

The lack of interaction is a bit off-putting. The above post is actually the first time you actually reply to what someone said in real time.

It is up to you Rose but my advice is to pair with Magenta. I don’t think just because a PoE exists on d1 it means everyone in it has to die. There’s time to sort and Burgundy is waaaay deeper than y’all.

[Knight Chartreuse]

BTW, Chartreuse do you townread Magenta or do you share Marigold's opinion?

I don’t scum or townread them. It’s more a town by PoE. There’s a lot more people I would elim before Magenta.

[Knight Chartreuse]

BTW, Chartreuse do you townread Magenta or do you share Marigold's opinion?

I don’t scum or townread them. It’s more a town by PoE. There’s a lot more people I would elim before Magenta.

I know you've probably elaborated on who, but I'd love to hear as many scumreads with reasoning as possible if you're ever bored and looking for something to do. I suppose it's agiven you'll do that next phase.

Magenta is definitely in a tier where I wouldn't mind an elimination, but that's because I have so many others higher. I've been a tad generous this game.

I would rather hold off until I have synced privately with Beige and had someone review them. Some of them are spicier than a million scovilles so I would rather be sure. Since scum can’t nightkill until night two no chance of them being hidden.

[Knight Chartreuse]

So, people have wrongly determined that I’m scum. So, I will give final reads and meme and hope I’m wrong about Magenta.

Beige and Azure are townlocks. I’m having doubts on Chartreuse, they may possibly be scum.

Crimson is town who will kick themselves after I flip.

If I were actually scum here, I would play this completely differently but obviously since this is an secret alt game, I wouldn’t expect any of you to know that.

I’m suss on Chartreuse for the RNG comment because it’s more likely than not that at least one scum in the paired warm knights.

And then you had Burgundy hating on the warm knights. So I find that really strange.

I don’t see what Magenta has done that makes them town but I suppose it’s possible I’m wrong so my current PoE is in Magenta, Burgundy and Chqrtreuse which is I don’t have extreme confidence in because I usually haven’t fivured out the entire scumteam on D1 and it looks like I won’t get the chance to help solve this game because people are biased against my predecessor and wouldn’t give me a chance, so good luck guys. Rose, I sincerely hope that Magenta is town.

I don’t make assumptions. I am sure if someone did the numbers on it that certain rng elements are more likely however just because something is more likely doesn’t make it. I wouldn’t go into assumption range without like 75%+ confidence because scum are good at making one thing seem likely when it’s another.

I didn’t “have” Burgundy on anything. I find their posts sus I explained why. If I could have suicided and taken them out I would have.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I don't think it makes sense for Magenta to propose everyone leaving if Magenta is scum with Indigo.

That's a really crazy way to play it.

BTW, Chartreuse do you townread Magenta or do you share Marigold's opinion?

I don’t scum or townread them. It’s more a town by PoE. There’s a lot more people I would elim before Magenta.

If Magenta flips red, these two could possibly be buddies. If Burgundy is scum then I’ve probably got one of these three wrong but it’s seriously strange how strongly both Rainbow and Chartreuse are defending Magenta.

Call me weird. I am the weird chart reuser! My PoE is unique and I think we will learn a lot tomorrow.

[Knight Chartreuse]

So, people have wrongly determined that I’m scum. So, I will give final reads and meme and hope I’m wrong about Magenta.

Beige and Azure are townlocks. I’m having doubts on Chartreuse, they may possibly be scum.

Crimson is town who will kick themselves after I flip.

If I were actually scum here, I would play this completely differently but obviously since this is an secret alt game, I wouldn’t expect any of you to know that.

I’m suss on Chartreuse for the RNG comment because it’s more likely than not that at least one scum in the paired warm knights.

And then you had Burgundy hating on the warm knights. So I find that really strange.

I don’t see what Magenta has done that makes them town but I suppose it’s possible I’m wrong so my current PoE is in Magenta, Burgundy and Chqrtreuse which is I don’t have extreme confidence in because I usually haven’t fivured out the entire scumteam on D1 and it looks like I won’t get the chance to help solve this game because people are biased against my predecessor and wouldn’t give me a chance, so good luck guys. Rose, I sincerely hope that Magenta is town.

I don’t make assumptions. I am sure if someone did the numbers on it that certain rng elements are more likely however just because something is more likely doesn’t make it. I wouldn’t go into assumption range without like 75%+ confidence because scum are good at making one thing seem likely when it’s another.

I didn’t “have” Burgundy on anything. I find their posts sus I explained why. If I could have suicided and taken them out I would have.

So then why did you jump at me for suggesting one scum amongst the paired warm knights? Wouldn’t that fit Burgundy?

I said that because I don’t sr either Marigold or Rose and previous dance games have contained a 2:1 ratio from the two different groups, so your reaction to my suggesting that is baffling to me, considering that, plus your strong sr on Burgundy. If Burgundy is your strongest sr then aren’t you in essence agreeing with me on that?

I object to any assumptions based on how many warm or cool knights there are based on setup spec. Previous games are just that. Previous games. If you flip a coin 49 times and the last 10 are heads, will it always flip heads? Are you “due” for a tails? This logic is very manipulative.

I scumread Burgundy rather heavily. You could be right and it’s a 2:1 or all warm knights. Or maybe I am wrong and all cool. I object to implanting ideas of having to be 2 v 1.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I think they’re likely to be in both. As I already pointed out, in every single dance game on this site, it’s been a 2:1 ratio of two different categories - usually ladies and gents.

This is a coincidence and should be ignored.

btw is there anyone who would really like to join me in a neighborhood tonight ?

My heart is with Daffodil but I am happy to work with another.

I would rather judge you based on who you pick since night kills can’t happen tonight.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Rainbow/Daffodil concerns me greatly since i haven't bothered to read Rainbow all game and I thought Daffodil was vaguely town.

Beige/Chartreuse seems like a pair that would get killed if they were T/T since, as I mentioned, I feel Chart dominates the thread and could lead town to victory (as town lol).

I forgot about the possibility of an S/S pairing. It seems like a really bad idea to me but if there is one, then we have more lenience.

See? You’re making a meta argument. Tsk tsk. That’s a no no. I also have been working damn hard to do things several players are known for because soon as I say certain words people know me for who I am. I feel if you were town then you’d realize that this is either a we can elim almost anyone and win scenario or 50/50 at worst.

In 1,1,1,0 scum did not dance with each other which means only 1 T/T pair remains. Long as we don’t elim there we are good.

If it’s 2,1,0,0 then 50/50 odds we do a proper elim.

Time to sort with this hood and see what comes up.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I'm saying that you've been dominating thus far and if you're town that's really good probably to the point where if both you and Beige are town then you're a good NK

Ah I have been working on doing the meta of a good town player. Alas when my plans to not slip my identity are too good I get paranoid. What do you make of my scum only have one or two safe elims?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I think we're just losing this one for sure.

I hate posts like this and they tend to come from scum. Chin up if you’re town.

[Knight Chartreuse]

oh that neighborhood

she told me you were very townie and we mostly talked about how amazing our dates were and how Azure should eat a bag of rocks.

I asked her for her readslist/your readslist but she didn't give me anything so I think maybe she didn't trust me?

Who did you hood?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I think we're just losing this one for sure.

I hate posts like this and they tend to come from scum. Chin up if you’re town.

Our odds aren’t great, because we have to correctly identify the T - T couple or we lose.

Stop posts like this. The actual answer is IF it is 1-1-1 then we have to avoid elimming the town only pair. Long as we hit a scum we are fine. If it’s 2-1 more odds of hitting a town pair.

I expect scum are more desperate than town because they have to shade the dual town hood.

[Knight Chartreuse]

If I recall correctly someone said the general pattern was that scum were in the less active people in prior dances. That is seems false now. I am busy with charts. Can someone look up who? I think they might be scum.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I think we're just losing this one for sure.

I hate posts like this and they tend to come from scum. Chin up if you’re town.

Our odds aren’t great, because we have to correctly identify the T - T couple or we lose.

Stop posts like this. The actual answer is IF it is 1-1-1 then we have to avoid elimming the town only pair. Long as we hit a scum we are fine. If it’s 2-1 more odds of hitting a town pair.

I expect scum are more desperate than town because they have to shade the dual town hood.

That’s pretty much what I said to Rose, that if it’s us, I expected scum to jump on us but that hasn’t happened yet.

I like this post from you and now I’m even more unsure.

I said similar this morning to Beige. I have more charts stupid charts. Will expand later but not liking Beige being quiet.

[Knight Chartreuse]

It'd be weird if I *didn't* question everything after that shot.

I'm sorry for being rough on you dear <3

I did warn you I get insanely paranoid if we are alive today.

Is there some reason you’re posting this in the main thread and not your PT?

If either of you are scum, I could see this as an attempt to be read as T-T and while you could be the T - T pair, I leaning to believing Daffodil over you.

I post in the main thread because I have nothing to hide.

Who are your town reads Rainbow?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I think Rose is actually more important here

how was your hood with rose?

do you feel comfortable betting the game that Rose is town?

I think you or Daffodil are scum. No matter how many times I say it you keep pushing this false narrative. We do not have to “bet the game” on who is town today. We just don’t elim there. Then if you decide the towniest group changes tomorrow you change your mind.

Intent to vote Daffodil/RainbowKnight unless someone has good reasoning they are both town.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I think Rose is actually more important here

how was your hood with rose?

do you feel comfortable betting the game that Rose is town?

Question bolded. You have prior pessimistic posts. It’s a theme with both of your slots and I hate it.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I can read. Where does it say today?

Chart, what are your thoughts on Beige? I'm wondering why you are pointing somewhere else & not reflecting at all as your pair is coming under fire.

I don’t see where it has to? Today she asked about betting the game. *confused*

My thoughts on Beige are they haven’t said anything yet in the PT since day start. Don’t see them posting here. Maybe a time zone thing maybe not. Possible they are scum but I think with all the focused fire here there is at least one scum pushing Beige more than likely. Bus or Beige is town unsure

[Knight Chartreuse]

You said it was a false narrative that we have to bet the game today. Indeed we don't, but I don't feel that's what Rainbow asked. Eventually, we will have to bet the game, and it's a way of asking about read strength too.

Maybe this doesn't matter idk.

This feels very gaslighty. Has anyone explained why they TR Daffodil?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I think it's important to have everyone's thoughts about where the destination is down so we can look back to what people wanted as we progress down the path we are taking.

???? What does this mean ?? “Destination is down”???

[Knight Chartreuse]

If I recall correctly someone said the general pattern was that scum were in the less active people in prior dances. That is seems false now. I am busy with charts. Can someone look up who? I think they might be scum.

That would be my date, Lavender. Although I agreed with her (it is true, past dance games follow that pattern).

I believe Rainbow/Daff or Indigo/Rose is the T-T pair.

Knight Crimson

-

Knight Lavender

Knight Chartreuse

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Knight Beige

Knight Daffodil

- The Rainbow Knight

Knight Indigo

- Knight Rose

This is my current interpretation of the game..

And if you were paired with Daff or me, this would be so much easier.

So, we need to extend the next two days as long as possible, so that you and Chartreuse can help me to figure it out. If Rose is town, then I lean to Daffodil being the town in that pair but rn I honestly don’t know.

This imho isn’t how to go about it.

1) Examine each pair including your own. Can either be scum? If so down to elim.

The “lean to Daffodil being town in the pair” doesn’t matter. If there is scum in the pair flip it.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I currently prefer Indigo to get a pair. I think all three are likely town, but Indigo is likely more capable of escaping the LHF zone.

I really did like this post. God idk, all three of you sound so sincere.

This post is ugly

[Knight Chartreuse]

Why is Crimson off the table for you?

I think let’s run an experiment:

Who is on the table for each player? No explanations just answer it. I have a theory.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Far from settled, I want to reread. But right now Beige feels like the most likely scum to me and Chart has some equity also, whereas I'm less interested in a Lavender vote partly because Crimson has basically no scum equity.

I was going to vote, but I suppose I shouldn't vote hastily in 5v3.

This post makes no sense. It’s likely that a scum elim will eliminate a town player. If Beige has scum equity fine I can see that in some ways, but this does nothing to explain why Crimson + Lavender doesn’t contain scum. All it does is say “Let’s not elim Crimson.” If it is 1-1-1 it means we are going to lose a town when we elim a scum.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I am building in uncertainty. I may be wrong. If you are 20% likely to be scum, Beige is 70%, Lavender is 80% and Crimson is 0%, then it's better to elim Beige/you even if Lavender were my #1 pick.

That’s not how any of that works. I think you’re trying to use percentages to buddy me up but in that scenario you elim Lavender, unless you believe 2-1-0 is more likely. The scenario you presented only works if you believe that. However you seem way too tunnelvisiony. Let’s say you’re right Beige is scum: I flip town. Then there is a minimum one other scum team. (In that world I know there is two). This is why you always elim your number one pick for scum regardless of the alignment of the other player. If you just rip off the bandaid and assume you will end up elimming the partner town it goes better.

You also dodged my experiment why?

[Knight Chartreuse]

Why is Crimson off the table for you?

I think let’s run an experiment:

Who is on the table for each player? No explanations just answer it. I have a theory.

I expect everyone to answer this question.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Wait maybe it’s right actually

The main issue isn’t the math. It’s 70 is less than 80 so Daffodil should be pushing Lavender and they aren’t. The entire system is fake because they’re likely full of shit. You don’t have to be good at math to realize if you’re really confident a player is scum you elim them.

[Knight Chartreuse]

@ Chart

The way I think about it, I'd rather eliminate a pair that has a chance of being S/S rather than a pair that can only be T/S at best.

For me you/beige both have scum equity whereas I can only get to T/S in L/Crimson and Indigo/Rose.

And I think that’s a scummy/antitown way to play. If you’re really sure a player is scum elim them. And yet you haven’t explained how I have scum equity and you’re the second person to mysteriously say that. Interesting. *thought emoji here*

[Knight Chartreuse]

if Indigo/Rose are S/S - it doesn't make sense for Rose to have wanted to pair with Magenta rather than Indigo.

I think Crimson is very townie from dayplay and the way he is thinking about the game and lastpairing outside of his own pair.

So that leaves You/Beige as the only pair that could actually be S/S here.

So you’re hunting for something that may not exist and saying let’s elim there? What?

[Knight Chartreuse]

if you’re really confident a player is scum you elim them.

I'm not really confident anyone is scum

Then fix it. You should be hunting for scum and aiming to flip scum.

If their partner is town or scum that will give credence to SvS or SvT.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I'm more concerned about limiting the damage in case we are in an S/S world where we have 50% chance of losing this game.

Then hunt scum. Find the scum. Once you find the scum poke others and see how they feel about it. This helps you A> See if your read is right and B> What resistances form.

People will naturally resist a scum elim. It will happen.

[Knight Chartreuse]

(A) if we are in 2-1-0-0 then the odds of losing today is 50%

(B) if we are in 1-1-1-0 then the odds of losing today is 25%

I would like to eliminate the pair that's most likely the 2 in (A) as that limits our odds of losing the best.

Stop this pessimistic bullshit.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Why is Crimson off the table for you?

I think let’s run an experiment:

Who is on the table for each player? No explanations just answer it. I have a theory.

I expect everyone to answer this question.

This also needs an answer from everyone.

This should be very simple.

Eg I would elim in palletes 1,2,3,4.

That’s it. No words just answer it.

[Knight Chartreuse]

do you have a strong reason to think you are T/T with Beige right now?

No I don’t. But the more people sus without explanation and no one pushes back I do. And the reasoning is flawed. If the reasoning was good reasoning and the experiment pans out I would be the first to do a vote:Leave

But a lot of people dropped susses on Beige in a time zone they didn’t seem to post in

[Knight Chartreuse]

I would elim Chart/Beige rn

And…any other palettes? Answer the question in its entirety.

[Knight Chartreuse]

if you’re really confident a player is scum you elim them.

I'm not really confident anyone is scum

Then fix it. You should be hunting for scum and aiming to flip scum.

Oh, thanks! I had no idea! Wow, I should just try harder and I'll magically know exactly who is scum!

Yes. Then do it. Rather than being snarky with me, scumhunt if you’re town. I don’t see evidence of it. You’re deliberately trying to antagonize me and piss me off.

[Knight Chartreuse]

(A) if we are in 2-1-0-0 then the odds of losing today is 50%

(B) if we are in 1-1-1-0 then the odds of losing today is 25%

I would like to eliminate the pair that's most likely the 2 in (A) as that limits our odds of losing the best.

Stop this pessimistic bullshit.

How about actually we play however we damn well feel like?

Sorry I don’t let scumreads push a bad pessimistic agenda “whoa is me let’s not lose” versus “Hey look most of the time we hit scum let’s get a scumread”.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I'm less likely to scumhunt while you're ordering me around and talking down to me. So kindly piss off with that.

Then don’t talk down to the whole thread with “we’re gonna lose” and “let’s aim for something that may not exist”. Because it brings down the morale of the whole game. So piss off with that. Identify who is scum. I don’t want this wishy washy what if crap.

If you think Beige is scum push Beige.
If you think I am scum push me.

If you’re unsure ask.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Not really sure about Rainbow to be honest.

Starting to get kind of set in my ways that Beige/Lav make up the first two scum members. That would make that one early game interaction when Beige objected to Lav/I's marriage, Lav ignored, and all that theatre. Which isn't terribly unbelievable, why would you be scared of your scum partner?

While on one hand I want to say Lav is much too quick to assume it must be a S/S pairing WIFOM kill, I'm not sure what I'd expect town to say in her stead if they believe me to be town so highly.

At the moment I would have Chart/Beige leave. I think they're T/S or S/S almost assuredly (although S/S would be a surprise to me).

After they're gone, the question of "Does an S/S pairing exist" will be weigh even heavier on my mind. It's more or less the only way Lav is town.

See I am kinda like. Lavender is committing a lot of scum tells and I think Lavender scum is the only way you’re town tbh.

The not having anyone to push is relatively a scumtell and based on the heat map so far it looks like Rose + Indigo is TvT but scarily also Beige is town possibly. It’s possible Beige is scum but I agree Rose+Indigo is probably the TvT pairing.

[Knight Chartreuse]

It’s a matter of if Beige is also a T or this is a bus. There’s no counter pressure on Beige and the way I am on the end of Beige’s list yet no pushing on me is a bit sus.

[Knight Chartreuse]

oh that neighborhood

she told me you were very townie and we mostly talked about how amazing our dates were and how Azure should eat a bag of rocks.

I asked her for her readslist/your readslist but she didn't give me anything so I think maybe she didn't trust me?

Who did you hood?

This doesn’t seem answered. I am curious who Rainbow hooded with their +1

[Knight Chartreuse]

VOTE COUNT 3.1

[8] Not Voting:

Knight Beige, Knight Chartreuse, Knight Crimson, Knight Daffodil, Knight Indigo, Knight Lavender, Knight Rose, The Rainbow Knight

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-10-19 13:37:43).

[4] Current Palettes:

Knight Crimson - Knight Lavender
Knight Beige - Knight Chartreuse
Knight Daffodil - The Rainbow Knight
Knight Rose - Knight Indigo

My solve right now is Daffodil and Rainbow Knight + Lavender. If that is incorrect I am thinking one of them is town and the other is scum and Beige is scum. I think both match the heat mapping so far perfectly.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I'm gonna need a little bit of convincing on Daff/Rainbow S/S. It feels like Daff should be town.

Granted it's only as strong as a read as I can really muster in this situation. I think Daff's idea that Rose/Indigo are T/T is a good look. It's an especially odd take for your current scumteam pairing. I also think Daff's paranoia about Rainbow comes off genuine.

I think Daff + Rainbow try to win it by flipping Beige or use the fact Beige is scum to buy another day.
It’s more going to be an extremely uphill climb to explain.

People’reads tend to be stickier than most people care to admit. A Townie response when burgundy flipped town would be “Hey wait a minute a lot of townread voices pushed Burgundy. Burgundy is town”. There wasn’t any defense of burgundy. So much so Azure was convinced Burgundy was scum to yolo. This is a neon sign D1 reads were wrong. Yet instead of opening with reassess it was open with pessimism.

This means initial reads are bad.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I would like someone to sweep me off my feet.

My ideal dance partner will have to be charming, dashing, witty and kind.

He must be able to protect me during a storm,
be gentle in times of storm and turmoil,
be a rock that I can rest peacefully knowing that I can trust.
be the laughter that I can count on to cheer me up.

I must warn you about myself.
I am very very very paranoid,
Skittish to a fault almost.
I will stay up nights worrying about your alignment.

I promise I will give you time, support, and more thoughts than you care to read.
I will support you, treasure you, and protect you as long as I trust you.
Show me what lies inside your heart and trust me to see you for what your true alignment is.

I like you. It may be a faint hope, but I'll endeavor to live up to your standards.

It is my suspicion that the Rainbow Knight can be trusted. But I won't assume it until proven.

I hope nobody has chosen to view my messages on Sepia.

I wished to see whether Indigo would swoop in and impress me. It didn ot seem especially likely, but I wouldn't wish to regret not giving them a chance. Now, I'm not saying they're scum, but I don't believe they're the one for me. As such, and I see this is mildly awkward in light of the above post but I dont really care,

Lady Rainbow, may I have this dance?

What in the ever loving fuck is that nightkill?

Rainbow and I were convinced we would die, and I have to admit it makes me nervous that we didn't.

I feel like the only way that nightkill makes sense is if Rose and Indigo are town.

Maybe it's wifom, but... wow

I am building in uncertainty. I may be wrong. If you are 20% likely to be scum, Beige is 70%, Lavender is 80% and Crimson is 0%, then it's better to elim Beige/you even if Lavender were my #1 pick.

We also reach the same conclusions yet Daffodil is saying them yet won’t commit.

They open with Rainbow being suspect. They then move to dance with them. Now they are at Rose + Indigo is the all town team.

This means that we have a good majority of the all town team from at least one member of three palette groups.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I am building in uncertainty. I may be wrong. If you are 20% likely to be scum, Beige is 70%, Lavender is 80% and Crimson is 0%, then it's better to elim Beige/you even if Lavender were my #1 pick.

That’s not how any of that works. I think you’re trying to use percentages to buddy me up but in that scenario you elim Lavender, unless you believe 2-1-0 is more likely. The scenario you presented only works if you believe that. However you seem way too tunnelvisiony. Let’s say you’re right Beige is scum: I flip town. Then there is a minimum one other scum team. (In that world I know there is two). This is why you always elim your number one pick for scum regardless of the alignment of the other player. If you just rip off the bandaid and assume you will end up elimming the partner town it goes better.

You also dodged my experiment why?

I think an S-S pair existing is possible.

I am also starting to think you're determined to have a problem with me if you're going to take issue with something as inconsequential as a number I pulled out of my ass.

Because I'm posting from class, but here's your experiment: Beige, you, Lavender, Rose.

Yet this is their experiment. Rose / Indigo is the TvT team but they want to elim Rose.

[Knight Chartreuse]

You say I am poe and then mention you're looking over other people's isos for the first time in the same post.

I know, I know, I'm good.

Rainbow was really the only player I actively didn't try to read. Rose was more of a retry.

I have reasonable certainty Indigo/Chart/Me/Daff contains 0-1 scum.

That leaves 2-3 in Rainbow/Rose/Lavender/Beige.

I also somewhat think the only potential S/S pairing is you/Chart. Maybe I'd need to review the dances, though. I don't think Rainbow/Daff are S/S at all. Indigo/Rose would also surprise me but I am a little more sympathetic to that one.

I think the problem is the smart elim is Lavender here. I think Lav flips scum you flip town.

Then it turns into a Daff+Knight, Beige + Me, Rose+Indigo pairing.

Then Rose + Indigo the all town team decides if Daff+Knight is SvS or Daff + Knight is one town/one scum

However I don’t think that’s realistically what happens.

I think scum have an agenda to win so I think they are pushing Beige as winning now instead of slow playing but I am not 100% sure. So I think Lavender is the safer option.

I just don’t think it happens.

[Knight Chartreuse]

There were my reads during my reread over night two, independent of pairings:

{Chartreuse, Marigold, Rainbow, Crimson}

{Indigo, Daffodil}

{Beige, Seafoam}

{Rose}

The flip of a "middle to lower" pack T-T pair makes me think we're going full on mind games, as I mentioned before. I suspect we've got a S-S pair with a deepwolf paired to a non-deepwolf.


Now the currently living pairings with my original reads applied...

Knight Crimson - Knight Lavender

Knight Beige

-

Knight Chartreuse

Knight Daffodil

-

The Rainbow Knight

Knight Rose

-

Knight Indigo

I don't have enough scum in there.... If there's a S-S pairing, it pretty much has to be Rose-Indigo..... but with how the end of day zero went down, I'm not really sure that it's the case? If I take back the rainbow hood stuff I set aside, it is POSISBLE that rainbow-daffy are both extremely competent deep wolf players and that's why everything feels lopsided. Crimson is 50000000% town and the only way they die if by leaving the dance or we get voted, I am 100% firm that crimmy's town and never leaving. I had flashes of paranoia but then I re-read the day one ISO.

Rainbow.... what made you choose to neighborize me exactly?

Do people think that rainbow could have genuinely missed the reads I sent her?

Oh there’s the rainbow hood.

And there’s not a reason Lavender could have asked Rainbow in the hood?

I think Lavender is just exhausted newb scum or someone who doesn’t like scum. So they put the team that absolutely wins as red and one piggyback as maybe.

Like maybe I can’t word good or something but if I had a day vig I would shoot Lavender

[Knight Chartreuse]

@ Chart

The way I think about it, I'd rather eliminate a pair that has a chance of being S/S rather than a pair that can only be T/S at best.

For me you/beige both have scum equity whereas I can only get to T/S in L/Crimson and Indigo/Rose.

The way I see it is that is Beige/Chartreuse is SvS, that probably means that you, Daffodil, Rose are all town and if that’s the case, then it would make things alot easier to get confirmation on this one way or another.

When I flip town what changes about your reads?

[Knight Chartreuse]

if you’re really confident a player is scum you elim them.

I'm not really confident anyone is scum

The main thing for me, is I feel extremely confident that Crimson is town and it’s important the keep his contribution in the game for as long as possible.

You and Rainbow are 100% right. Only way it makes sense to lim Lavender first is if I was sold on Chartreuse/Beige being T - T and if think the only possible T - T pairings are you/Daffodil and me/Rose. So perhaps Chartreuse is misunderstanding the math?

Beige’s AtE isn’t impressing me in the slightest and I’m starting to question if it’s being employed as a distraction.

I am not. Lavender is scum.
One if not both of Daffodil and Rainbow has to be.
The remainder possible is Beige.

The only reason I don’t leave right now is I am scared of Daff+Rainbow and we lose.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I don’t have the faith that the remaining Rose+Indigo/Crimson+Lavender teams elim Daff + Rainbow

[Knight Chartreuse]

The safer elim of Lavender is the one we mathematically should be doing but I think everyone is too stuck in their ways.

[Knight Chartreuse]

(A) if we are in 2-1-0-0 then the odds of losing today is 50%

(B) if we are in 1-1-1-0 then the odds of losing today is 25%

I would like to eliminate the pair that's most likely the 2 in (A) as that limits our odds of losing the best.

Stop this pessimistic bullshit.

We have completely diametrically opposed ways of viewing this. What you consider to be “pessimistic”, I see as sound logic.

If I was extremely confident on you!town - especially more than Crimson, I’d argue the converse but I don’t feel Beige’s AtE is genuine and reads fake to me.

That group to me is Daff+Rainbow. There is absolutely one scum there if not both.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Knight Indigo

- Knight Rose

Knight Crimson

- Knight Lavender

Knight Chartreuse

- Knight Beige
Knight Daffodil - The Rainbow Knight

Okay so this is what I've been thinking about. I think the bolded are town.

The only S/S that maybe exists in my mind is Rainbow/Daff. I think Rainbow/Daff leaves first or second so not really a big deal.

Now here's the scary team: Rose/Beige/Rainbow(or Daff). That would mean after Rainbow/Daff leave and Beige/Chart leave, it'd be down to Rose/Indigo and my team. And the winning decision would be for me to not leave. I'm scared as hell.

Don’t worry I am very confident Lavender is scum.
Like I agree with your townreads.

I have a reaction test going to sort if Beige is scum and who with.

I want the scum to react to my heat map.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I'm currently praying for Daff/Rainbow SvS with Beige so I don't have to make the choice.

I am praying my reaction test works and I can see if leaving is the right move

[Knight Chartreuse]

Not necessarily, Beige could be with Rose and trying to play into the Xylo that needs me to townread Rose over Lavender.

I highly highly doubt Lavender makes that reads list as town.

If Beige is scum >> 1,1,1 is the game and it’s Beige, Lavender, and one of Daff+Knight
If Beige is town >> 2,1,0 with Lavender putting both wins up there. Difference would be whether you’re deep wolfing like I thought at start. I doubt it but Lav is very likely scum.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Not necessarily, Beige could be with Rose and trying to play into the Xylo that needs me to townread Rose over Lavender.

(@Indigo)

Right now I think Daffodil/Rainbow should be making their way towards the exit.

This is might thought as well but I want to see their reaction to the heat map to see if I am right.

Whole hypothesis test thing.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I would elim Chart/Beige rn

And…any other palettes? Answer the question in its entirety.

Why is Crimson off the table for you?

I think let’s run an experiment:

Who is on the table for each player? No explanations just answer it. I have a theory.

Rose, Indigo, Daffodil, Crimson, Chartreuse

Beige just made my decision for me. I was leaning that way anyway.

No one should have Chartreuse higher than Crimson and why am I scum, Beige?

If Beige flips scum, Lavender is very likely a buddy based on this post. Still on the fence about Chartreuse but this elim list reads to me like Beige/Lavender SvS. Beige wants to elim in the two pairs most likely to be T - T.

Beige also said they wouldn’t elim Rainbow in that post. Meaning Rainbow likely buddy and Daffodil is pocketed by their negativity. Makes sense for the lavender hood. Rainbow didn’t want another hood to be town in.

[Knight Chartreuse]

There were my reads during my reread over night two, independent of pairings:

{Chartreuse, Marigold, Rainbow, Crimson}

{Indigo, Daffodil}

{Beige, Seafoam}

{Rose}

The flip of a "middle to lower" pack T-T pair makes me think we're going full on mind games, as I mentioned before. I suspect we've got a S-S pair with a deepwolf paired to a non-deepwolf.


Now the currently living pairings with my original reads applied...

Knight Crimson - Knight Lavender

Knight Beige

-

Knight Chartreuse

Knight Daffodil

-

The Rainbow Knight

Knight Rose

-

Knight Indigo

I don't have enough scum in there.... If there's a S-S pairing, it pretty much has to be Rose-Indigo..... but with how the end of day zero went down, I'm not really sure that it's the case? If I take back the rainbow hood stuff I set aside, it is POSISBLE that rainbow-daffy are both extremely competent deep wolf players and that's why everything feels lopsided. Crimson is 50000000% town and the only way they die if by leaving the dance or we get voted, I am 100% firm that crimmy's town and never leaving. I had flashes of paranoia but then I re-read the day one ISO.

Rainbow.... what made you choose to neighborize me exactly?

Do people think that rainbow could have genuinely missed the reads I sent her?

Oh there’s the rainbow hood.

And there’s not a reason Lavender could have asked Rainbow in the hood?

I think Lavender is just exhausted newb scum or someone who doesn’t like scum. So they put the team that absolutely wins as red and one piggyback as maybe.

Like maybe I can’t word good or something but if I had a day vig I would shoot Lavender

Talk to me about this a little bit. You mention Lav's reads ping you hard. As Lav's partner, I can tell you she does not give me the impression she is newbscum. Definitely not.

I'm a little unsure what your exact point about the readslist is.

I can’t until a certain player responds sorry. It ruins my reaction test. If they haven’t responded by 24 hours then I will.

[Knight Chartreuse]

If Chart cannot be trusted, it's best to take out that pairing, yeah. To be honest I don't think we lose ever if we have that pair go first. If they flip S/S, then I think we can solve the game from there. But I am very strongly thinking S/T at least, which means we get to keep playing.

If Chart/Beige are S/S we will lose on Rainbow/Daff's exit, which is a bit of a pain. Chart lockscumming Lav and townreading Beige is extremely good for S/S Chart/Beige obviously, they're going to win very very soon.

Sigh, now I'm worried about that. Have I mentioned I'm annoyed we didn't get a D2?

You misunderstand. I don’t townread Beige. I just consider it a possibility based on the heat map

My concern is two fold
1) We insta lose (possible not probable)
2) If I leave then no one elims Daff/Knight after

[Knight Chartreuse]

If Daffodil actually was scum and I've been misreading him all along then all the more glory to you I guess?

Oh yeah the scum is Rainbow. Now I can answer what I need to.

[Knight Chartreuse]

There were my reads during my reread over night two, independent of pairings:

{Chartreuse, Marigold, Rainbow, Crimson}

{Indigo, Daffodil}

{Beige, Seafoam}

{Rose}

The flip of a "middle to lower" pack T-T pair makes me think we're going full on mind games, as I mentioned before. I suspect we've got a S-S pair with a deepwolf paired to a non-deepwolf.


Now the currently living pairings with my original reads applied...

Knight Crimson - Knight Lavender

Knight Beige

-

Knight Chartreuse

Knight Daffodil

-

The Rainbow Knight

Knight Rose

-

Knight Indigo

I don't have enough scum in there.... If there's a S-S pairing, it pretty much has to be Rose-Indigo..... but with how the end of day zero went down, I'm not really sure that it's the case? If I take back the rainbow hood stuff I set aside, it is POSISBLE that rainbow-daffy are both extremely competent deep wolf players and that's why everything feels lopsided. Crimson is 50000000% town and the only way they die if by leaving the dance or we get voted, I am 100% firm that crimmy's town and never leaving. I had flashes of paranoia but then I re-read the day one ISO.

Rainbow.... what made you choose to neighborize me exactly?

Do people think that rainbow could have genuinely missed the reads I sent her?

Oh there’s the rainbow hood.

And there’s not a reason Lavender could have asked Rainbow in the hood?

I think Lavender is just exhausted newb scum or someone who doesn’t like scum. So they put the team that absolutely wins as red and one piggyback as maybe.

Like maybe I can’t word good or something but if I had a day vig I would shoot Lavender

Talk to me about this a little bit. You mention Lav's reads ping you hard. As Lav's partner, I can tell you she does not give me the impression she is newbscum. Definitely not.

I'm a little unsure what your exact point about the readslist is.

I can’t until a certain player responds sorry. It ruins my reaction test. If they haven’t responded by 24 hours then I will.

It’s a common scum problem to have too many townreads. It gets exacerbated by this likely 1-1-1 setup. Lav feels Beige as the okay sacrifice to make in that scenario. To mitigate this there’s usually a ranking system or some kind of “well shit I dunno what to do”. Instead Lav is tunneled on Rose and never makes a push. These are things that scum who don’t want to change the gamestate do.

Losing the most townread scum Knight is not an option. Beige and Lav’s heat maps both exclude Rainbow altogether as an elim. This means Knight is the clue that holds shit together.

Instead Rainbow zooms in on your posts and just completely ignored the walls in general. Combining this with Beige saying “I don’t get what 864 (iirc that’s the post number) means” paraphrased means scum deliberately ignored the content.

Final answer is Beige Rainbow Knight Lavender.

Any questions before I vote leave?

[Knight Chartreuse]

What differentiates Rose from Lav (and the rest) in your mind? Rose straight up feels unreadable to me and could be scum in place of Lav.

Lav’s posts have way too many scum tells.

Rose on the other hand reads as discouraged which is why Daff/Rainbow’s posting is so bad.

Rose doesn’t read like a scum about to win. In bad situations the non posters are more than likely town.

[Knight Chartreuse]

the seafoam kill really is throwing me for a loop because Daffodil said he suspected seafoam and now seafoam is dead so I don't know if he would kill his own suspect just to make me townread him.

But he's also telling me he feels uneasy about me which implies he will be leaving me at some point and I'm not sure if it's performative or real.

I don't think you can really read into Daffodil's comments on Seafoam.
I also don't think "feeling uneasy"="leave at some point".

I expect scum are more desperate than town because they have to shade the dual town hood.

I mean they do have time and opportunity to bus/set up for later days. There won't be any nightkills from now. I would think town are quite desperate right now.

Also, I now think maybe Chart isn't scummy for pushing Daff and maybe it's just playstyle conflict.

I think here is when I super townread them and started to wonder if Daff is just pocketed by Rainbow.

Rose as scum has 0 incentive to stop me arguing with Daff if they are scum.

[Knight Chartreuse]

It's true Lav hasn't pushed for Rose. But I haven't exactly pushed for anyone either. What if Lav is simply not making pushes? Maybe scum generally has more townreads than scumreads, but do consider there were only 6 players for Lav to read and we have really shitty levels of content to work with.

pedit: I see. Rose's inactivity could be unrelated to the game though, no?

I know I'm playing contrarian here but it is very nice to get to know your thoughts.

The problem with this is Lav would know before posting their reads are wrong. Only 1 3/4 scumreads means something has to give. Lav would know their reads are wrong before posting and has yet to revise them.

[Knight Chartreuse]

I don't have enough scum in there.... If there's a S-S pairing, it pretty much has to be Rose-Indigo..... but with how the end of day zero went down, I'm not really sure that it's the case? If I take back the rainbow hood stuff I set aside, it is POSISBLE that rainbow-daffy are both extremely competent deep wolf players and that's why everything feels lopsided.

They even say so here.

So then they are operating on a 1v1v1 architecture and say it’s not you, it’s not themselves. They said me and Beige can’t be SvS. They aren’t thinking through the conclusion means elim Daff/Rainbow

Both Lav and Beige ignored mentioning their scumbuddies as elim options.

[Knight Chartreuse]

It's true Lav hasn't pushed for Rose. But I haven't exactly pushed for anyone either. What if Lav is simply not making pushes? Maybe scum generally has more townreads than scumreads, but do consider there were only 6 players for Lav to read and we have really shitty levels of content to work with.

pedit: I see. Rose's inactivity could be unrelated to the game though, no?

I know I'm playing contrarian here but it is very nice to get to know your thoughts.

The problem with this is Lav would know before posting their reads are wrong. Only 1 3/4 scumreads means something has to give. Lav would know their reads are wrong before posting and has yet to revise them.

Come again?

These are the reads Lav had during the night phase, for the record. They weren't created when she posted them on this day.

Rose is red = 1 scumread
Beige as orange = 3/4 scumread

1 3/4 < 3 means that Lav knew their reads are bad which means they posted bad reads intentionally.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Damn. I think this game is going to come down to the final pairs. Shit.

I know. That’s why I had to reaction test to solve the game

Because not only am I gambling Beige is scum
I am also gambling you all listen to my reads after I die

[Knight Chartreuse]

It's true Lav hasn't pushed for Rose. But I haven't exactly pushed for anyone either. What if Lav is simply not making pushes? Maybe scum generally has more townreads than scumreads, but do consider there were only 6 players for Lav to read and we have really shitty levels of content to work with.

pedit: I see. Rose's inactivity could be unrelated to the game though, no?

I know I'm playing contrarian here but it is very nice to get to know your thoughts.

The problem with this is Lav would know before posting their reads are wrong. Only 1 3/4 scumreads means something has to give. Lav would know their reads are wrong before posting and has yet to revise them.

Come again?

These are the reads Lav had during the night phase, for the record. They weren't created when she posted them on this day.

They were created in order to answer my experiment question.

It’s meant as a way to mock thought process

[Knight Chartreuse]

But they're consistent with her reads from the previous night.

Consistent != truthful

All that means is that it’s logically possible.

Eg if I say the mod is scum on day one. Then I start today with “Yesterday I thought the mod was scum now I think…”

That doesn’t make any of it genuine.

(I do this as an example love to the mods)

[Knight Chartreuse]

But they're consistent with her reads from the previous night.

Consistent != truthful

All that means is that it’s logically possible.

Eg if I say the mod is scum on day one. Then I start today with “Yesterday I thought the mod was scum now I think…”

That doesn’t make any of it genuine.

(I do this as an example love to the mods)

Of course. But your point is that the way she manufactured those reads for you is scummy. But if they're the reads she already had, I'm unsure what you would have expected from town!Lav.

At least three scumreads or not to post a list at all is what I would have expected. It’s irrelevant if you find my point scummy I am dying when you stop asking questions.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Lav had Daff/Rainbow as town last night. That's why there are so many townreads. Why do that and then kill Seafoam/Marigold, effectively confirming scum in that pairing? Why not suspect, say, Rainbow? It'd have been a lot more intuitive for scum!Lav to do, surely?

Scum kills there as the alternative is kill Rose/Indigo which had players coming back to life. They wanted the gamestate unchanged aka a null kill. They probably didn’t think that far ahead.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Heat map asks are very very uncommon now a days.

[Knight Chartreuse]

VOTE: Leave

[Knight Chartreuse]

Good luck Beige Lav and Rainbow is my final answer

[Knight Chartreuse]

Dimension 20 is awesome and people should watch.

This is my contentless bah post.

[Knight Chartreuse]

Gg scum well played Lavender I was scared I had the other half wrong. Indigo you’re breaking my heart. But it’s okay I get it. I bet I would have fallen for Lavender’s ATE too.

[Knight Chartreuse]

no. I'm straight-up pissed. D is at the wheel and in full road-rage mode rn.

Gamma chill it’s okay.

I am not the best at words sometimes.

I am just glad I can use this to show I am improving.

[Knight Chartreuse]

No redactions, rather.

May I guess your identity? I am pretty sure I know but I wanna guess.

[Knight Chartreuse]

It's extremely obvious but by all means.

Hi LLD

And if I am wrong I accept the laughter because I don’t read meta much

[Knight Chartreuse]

I am most definitely not LLD. I did channel her from time to time to help mask myself, though.

Cool! I channeled Titus to mask me.

How scary was my heat map?

[Knight Chartreuse]

I am most definitely not LLD. I did channel her from time to time to help mask myself, though.

I also look forward to the surprise then!

[Knight Chartreuse]

i mean who else would speech to text the entire commute home sheesh

I mean yeah seriously.

*hides in blushies*

I actually don’t know this

[Knight Chartreuse]

How scary was my heat map?

Mmm, probably about a five or six out of ten. It posed an issue but had plenty of ways to skirt around it.

I’ll take it! 5/6 versus being ignored!

[Knight Chartreuse]

Obviously GG folks I need to alt more

Hopefully nothing I did marigold?