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VOTE: Not_Mafia

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh another game with 2 dragons

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I did not suggest that we claim our roles, but our dice rolls.

We claimed rolls last time this setup ran because roles were created, then shuffled and redistributed. This time the setup is different. Did you get something different than what you rolled?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have some thoughts but will have to read some if Loft's games to confirm

This feels noncommittal
VOTE: RegRider

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So… I have a method by which we could maybe break the game but it is both unfun and at the very least against the spirit of the rules.

Thoughts?

How can this be done? You said "maybe" - does it depend on what people actually rolled, or are you unsure if it will work and it is independent of rolls?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I guess there are probably a lot of scum here so getting as many pings as I am isn't necessarily an indicator anything is majorly off

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So… I have a method by which we could maybe break the game but it is both unfun and at the very least against the spirit of the rules.

Thoughts?

How can this be done? You said "maybe" - does it depend on what people actually rolled, or are you unsure if it will work and it is independent of rolls?

It does depend on the rolls (there are theoretical worlds where it nets us no information in fact) and would explicitly not work with me or anyone I was partnered with. In fact, prior knowledge of how it works completely negates any advantage it might bring.

Were you aware I just called out loftwing as potential scum because it felt like they were fishing for ways to mitigate the strategy?

I wasnt asking to gauge whether you'd react the same way, just didn't think there was any guaranteed way to do it and was curious what you'd come up with. Doesnt sound like anything setup-breaking though, so my guess is its something similar to follow the cop which is risky to go forward with as it gets the investigative killed in the event there is no protective for them. Also in multiball any doctors should only be able to prevent one kill and it would be easy for a cop of any kind to get piled if they out as being an alignment cop without specifying which faction they can identify.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i thought you didnt want to vote loft. and owl dose not feel scum like to me. my idea was not so much to lead to scum but to try to understand if there is a cult or not and if so who it is. cult should always be d1 vote.

Eh. Cult is the single person who is the greatest threat to the traditional scumteams, and won't be intentionally protected by doctors of any faction. Any groupscum worth their salt will kill an obvious cult leader N1 and it's reasonably likely we have at least one RB (as a whole, not even among the town aligned players). If someone is obviously cult, we don't really need to deal with them on D1 as town because they are a bigger threat to groupscum than the townies are.

Compound that with the fact that I don't actually think Loft is a cult leader (but rather was lolcatting) and I didn't want to eliminate them first thing. Given the fact that jester isn't game ending, I'm actually okay with votes on Loft.

Why do you townlean Owl?

I thought you were intentionally dumb telling to trick scum into shooting a non-game-ending jester tbh, didn't think you actually thought jester was game-ending.

But yeah, any jester, especially one that rolled jester off a 19 (indicating a cult exists) should claim before end of day so we can just lim you. Town should control enough votes D1 that scum cant grief your win by not voting you.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah Simple on the modifier die is a big woof for me. Finder is also situationally pretty weak on the role die.

@Reg, why are you so concerned specifically with Enchant's alignment die? Seems like a weird thing to latch on to

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Sorry, I thought you had a very low roll and wasted your fudge roll.
UNVOTE: Enchant

the fuckin townslip UNVOTE:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

well is it though? I guess he could have fudged up into scum, or kept a roll in the mafia/werewolf range nm VOTE: RegRider

pedit: I was thinking his rolls were not close enough to 1 or 20 for him to fudge them "around the corner" and I don't think anyone had discussed it in thread yet. I asked with my rolls about fudging up/down at 20 and 1 because I wanted 3P but I didn't roll close enough to try for it anyways

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Which wagon is that you think?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Bingle and STD both want to derail RegRider but you're voting DotW?

Cyrus, who would you want to kill right now?

Dotw and rider . Rider seemed like they were role fishing if I had a gun with two bullets I would shoot dotw and rider.

Also saw this post while scrolling ISO to verify you were still voting DotW. Did you have a change of heart on Rider or are you thinking 2 scumteams, one containing Rider/Bingle/STD and another DotW scum not aligned with those 3?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This game isn't as interesting as I'd like

I feel like people are wanting to wait until N1 to get actions in like they did in isekai. Idk if I see this Loftwing thing. I dont feel like I have enough strong TRs to poe very well either, but I feel like Bingle and STD are town here. Probably Cyrus too.

I feel like RegRider is a decent shout.

I dont understand the Loftwing votes or QO's Bingle vote so I can start there

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I can't understend Reg logic after rereading his posts.

He votes me, for wasting fudge, he apologises and unvotes after clearing that and then again accuses me for reason i can't comprehend, but doesh't vote.

You wanna give this wagon a little momentum and vote him, or is there a reason you're not voting him right now?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

maybe scum don't want to get shot by other scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Show of hands respond with the letter I . Who thinks becuse of the strange questions posed by loft over reg that they may be partners?

I had the thought but it seems too obvious and I feel like a partner would be more conscious of how their questions would be perceived in the event of RegRider's flip. It's possible they're both scum but I dont think they're aligned scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like to me it feels much more likely that Loft doesnt know Reg's alignment

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It's the tone my guy

Also we have nothing else to go off of rn

This feels like an excuse rather than a reason tbh
What about VOTE: Dwlee
Getting big vibes here

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My vote is not moving from west. At the start of every day in my 1st post I will vote west. Till I'm proven other wise or one of us is dead.

So this is just OMGUS angry Cyrus, the last game we played he was scum and was reactive and angry about being scumread. Town!Cyrus in the past hasn't cared as much about being limmed, is more mischievous? in tone, and wasn't as susceptible to OMGUS reads. Literally the only reason he has for scumreading Dwlee and myself up to this point is that we scumread him.

I might be confbiasing myself here but after last 3d20 I decided I'm never going to let myself overthink a Cyrus lim again. He seems like scum here and if he winds up not being scum, then he's town I won't be able to work well with

town!Cyrus was on a new level in The Coalition recently, you can find in my or Cyrus's recent ISO.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like our ego, dont think theres a kunk in our ISOs

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Link* phone???

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It's the tone my guy

Also we have nothing else to go off of rn

This feels like an excuse rather than a reason tbh
What about VOTE: Dwlee
Getting big vibes here

How is "it's the tone" an excuse

Reg's posts were icky in response to my push. There's hardly any content from most people. It's the best reason I have right now. You should know better than this BS Kyo

not "it's the tone", specifically what pinged me was "Also we have nothing else to go off of rn" - reminded me of what pinged me about DGB on D1 in that mini we won ELO vs Math in. Not as blatant but you're not a blunt poster generally speaking

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like our ego, dont think theres a kunk in our ISOs

Link* phone???

Can you explain what you mean here

by ego I mean click one of our names to view profile, click "view users topics" to see the list of threads either of us have posted in (this list is what I'm calling an "ego") to find the recently completed Open game "The Brethren Coalition" - Cyrus had an uncharacteristically strong showing as town in that game

[ssbm_Kyouko]

town!Cyrus was on a new level in The Coalition recently, you can find in my or Cyrus's recent ISO.

New level as far as omgus'ing and getting angry at being scumread?

No, like, actually leading town, though there was a fair bit of omgus involved

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Here's a question for @Loftwing. What are you reads right now, and can you please explain them?

What are your thoughts on Cyrus at this point? Have you played with him before?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kyo are you ignoring me now

No, did you ask me something?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Here's a question for @Loftwing. What are you reads right now, and can you please explain them?

Besides Dweelee (who it should be clear why I scumread), here are my current reads:

Bingle is probably town here, mainly considering their response to us claiming dice rolls. In retrospect, their gamebreaking strategy would probably come from a town player, and I was just angry at them for coming up with an unfun strat.

Cyrus seems to have the feeling of being generally incorrect but sincere. I think they go into the townbin.

Mama Ru seems generally absent and isn't hitting most of the town marks I would expect from a player. scumlean there.

Mostly everyone else goes in the nullbin. They haven't shown up on my radar yet.

I am suspiciously absent from the names players in this list. I find it odd you'd make me an everyone else here.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also feels weird that Loft and Mama Ru have hopped onto Dwlee with me UNVOTE:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: RegRider

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It's the tone my guy

Also we have nothing else to go off of rn

This feels like an excuse rather than a reason tbh
What about VOTE: Dwlee
Getting big vibes here

How is "it's the tone" an excuse

Reg's posts were icky in response to my push. There's hardly any content from most people. It's the best reason I have right now. You should know better than this BS Kyo

not "it's the tone", specifically what pinged me was "Also we have nothing else to go off of rn" - reminded me of what pinged me about DGB on D1 in that mini we won ELO vs Math in. Not as blatant but you're not a blunt poster generally speaking

[ssbm_Kyouko]

629 is at dwlee's 624

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Because you have had a relatively large wagon for most of the game and Mama Ru seems scummy. I dont think the wagon is likely on scum if you two are in support of it.

Feels weird because it seemed like a good vote but with you 2 following, it seems wrong. So I thought it was good, and now it feels wrong, and that's weird