Mini 671 - Dwarf Fortress - Game Over!

[Knight of Cydonia]

Reading up now, hi all.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Okay, CoCam, your whole day 1 reads scummily to me - and you then basically turned around a good point about your playstyle and used WIFOM to deflect it.
I cannot explain how much I hate meta, and IMHO only scum should need WIFOM based on meta to defend themselves.

Vote: CoCam

[Knight of Cydonia]

THat's L-2 Coheed, you did promise to claim after 1 more vote.

[Knight of Cydonia]

L-1 - Coheed, if that was a fake claim, sort it out. I'd like to see your name as well - as a DF vet, I can translate it using the game - if it's a fake name claim, I'd be willing to bet it's fake role too.

[Knight of Cydonia]

For clarification - in Dwarf Fortress, there are only ever Kobold thieves, who steal items, and Goblin thieves, who steal babies. Since no-one here has babies, I assume, CoCam is a kobold. His claim is believable, and scum. Hammer now please. No more discussion needed here.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Timeater - wow. That was a huge jump to make just from the night kill. I get a feeling of scum playing WIFOM here - "I clearly wouldn't kill him because it would make me look bad".

FoS Timeater

[Knight of Cydonia]

Currently interesting me are sekinj's case agaisnt IL (because it kinda makes sense, but it's maybe slightly reaching), and Timeater, who seemed to put in a defence before anyone even mentioned that possibility. Which I find quite scummy, because most town players wouldn't feel the need to defend themselves before the attack even happens - it seems like he's establishing something so that if people come back to it, he can just say "WTF Why didn't you read this fool" as claim that is evidence against anyone accusing him.

[Knight of Cydonia]

@ Timeater: You got on the defensive before you even encountered an offensive. Why didn't you wait for anyone to comment on it before you start explaining yourself?

Answer in next post, please.

[Knight of Cydonia]

All of above post = goodness.
Timeater - were you expecting/hoping for a different flip?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm not mourning Cyberbob at all. In fact, I'm glad he's gone

You are glad a pro-town is dead?

Vote Timeater

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yes Knight, I really was expecting Bob to be scum. I thoroughly believed it. The fact that he is now dead leads me to believe someone is trying to exploit our "scuffle" and exploit my own animosity towards him. Pesco seems to be trying to do that, and was quick to try to exploit it after the scuffle happened. I dont really see how its such a "huge jump". Why would the scum kill bob for anything but this reason?

Massive WIFOM, that's why.

Getting on the defensive before even countering an offensive - I dont see whats wrong with that -

it shoots down any scum arguement it happens.

Its just good forsight on my part. I'm scumhunting and trying to figure out who/why someone would do that, and Pesco seems to be the one driving that line of thought.

This only confirms for me that you were trying to WIFOM on the Cyberbob NK to get anyone who attacked you for a needless pre-emptive defence lynched.

I realize I'm L-3 so I'll save the town time and trouble by claiming now, giving us a chance to focus on Bob and other likely candidates.

I'm Minkot Custinthrith, a cook. I'm a good guy who recently came to "Osvalanthez". I'm town and I'm not apart of the danger

It seems odd to me that his wording "not a part of the danger" matches pretty closely to the lynch message. Also - L-3 is a terrible point to claim at. L-1, yes. -3 is way too soon, and reads like panicky scum.

I will not debate this further with you. You are not helping the town.

Refusing to debate a point = scummy, indicative that scum has no way to counter a good argument. Claiming someone is "not helping the town" = typical scum-play to indict someone else for anti-townness with no real evidence.

You really arent helping yourself Pesco by making such a weak attack post. You'll have to do better than that.

Pesco's post you referred to here wasn't an attack post, it was asking for reasoning as to why you thought s/he was scum so intuitively when you had failed to answer many other peoples questions fully, including my own. Blatant misrep, attempting to make it look as if Pesco was jumping on a wagon to push for your lynch.

More Timeater votes plz. Kthnxbai.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Right, because you've never personally attacked Cyberbob this game either.
You don't feel like putting in the effort to reason your vote? With all due respect, fuck off, then.

I'm 80% sure Roffman isn't scum at this point.

Unvote for now.

Wow, that was the quickest de-OMGUS I've seen in a while.
Oh, and that meta evidence is WIFOM

and

a poor representation of sekinj in general. Quoting 1 game does not equal a comprehensive indication of behaviour.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Erm... hate to knock you off your marlbe pedestal, me lawd, but those abbreviations do mean something. That what an abbreviation is. Stop trying to mis-rep me as some kind of idiot, whilst acting all high and mighty up there on the hypocrite throne.

[Knight of Cydonia]

If I was a mod, I'd have made a double, maybe even triple mod-kill by now for all the referencing of ongoing games. Everyone, just stop it, now please.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Will consider a KoC if he gets some votes and a momentum towards a lynch, but I'm quite happy going after Sekinj atm.

So in other words, you will follow whatever wagon looks most likely to end in a lynch of someone who has voted you?
iLord - loving your chainsaw defence of Timeater there. You start out mildly critical of Tim, but by the end you're defending every scummy action of his, and attacking myself, sekinj, and Pesco.

idealy, yes. However, I think it's also important to limit distractions so that the town can win. If I can see a better case against someone else, or some scum makes a blunder, I will be more than happy to switch my vote to someone I am more sure is scum. Right now I have my vote on my top suspect.


What a horribly glib response. You're still basically saying you think I'm townie but I should be lynched anyways. Scumscumscum.

No, that's not what sekinj said at all.
She didn't say she thinks you're town - she thinks your play is anti-town. At no point has sekinj said "Timeater is town, but annoying, so lets lynch plz, kthnxbai".
Tim's massive misrep of sekinj + iLord's chainsawing = scum pair?

[Knight of Cydonia]

iLord, do you have a role quirk you'd like to tell us about? Something to do with the fact you seem to be putting random letters at teh start of every post? Are you in a Strange Mood?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Anderson - your last post was just a bunch of statements against quoted posts of mine. There are no questions there.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I don't see reason to lynch sekinj YET

, though it could definitely change in the future. As far as iLord is concerned, I also believe he's townie.

The only people I see that are likely scum right now are roffman and Timeater

, but even now, the point seems to be moot.

So you see no reason to lynch sekinj yet - which implies you would lynch later - but then you say the only people you have a scum read on right now are roffman and Tim. Are you saying you would lynch sekinj later on regardless? And why is the point moot? They're scummy, explain why, get people to vote for them, lynch, win (hopefully).

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote

for now until I can think about things and decide. Roffman is overtaking Timeater, but I'm still wary of him as well.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote roffman

As for lynching tim, he's play is highly distracting to town, and just keeps on triggering my scumdar.

This being the person that at one point you wre willing to die in order to supposedly clear. Flip-flop on a King-King scale.
L-1, I believe. Nobody do anything until we have a full claim.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Alright, which 'tard decided to pull an L-1 Hammer before roffman could claim?
Also:

Vote: Timeater

I now feel more secure than ever that Timeater's Cook claim was a safeclaim for scum.

[Knight of Cydonia]

What the shit? How the hell do you get to the conclusion that because I put him at L-1 and asked for a full-claim, rather than just "Cook", I lynched him?
andersonw - do you want to put any actual evidence or reasoning behind that vote, or are you jsut going to follow Timeater?
Oh, and Timeater - I find it hilarious that you are actually admitting that vote is OMGUS - is that another pre-emp defence?
Town: "Timeater, that vote is OMGUS crap."
Tim: "I ALREADY SAID IT WAS OMGUS, OMGUS YOU SCUM!"

[Knight of Cydonia]

KOC is a scummer with a doublevote and is the one who hammered Roffman before he could claim.

Why would I ask for a claim, then prevent it?
Can you prove that I'm a double voter?

Anderson - pretty much all of your so-called "evidence" against me is a huge pile of jumping to conclusions based on assuming I'm scum, then working backwards from that. If I assumed you were scum, I could go back and make all of your posts look scummy as well.
Calling me out for saying "CoCam must be scum as kobold?" Well, that makes quite a few others scum as well then.
I never had any interest in Roffman? Wow, you mist be an Insane Min Reader, then. Not writing about something =/= not thinking about it. As I stated, and you conveniently ignored, I found the fact that Roffman attacked Timeater, after previously stating he would have been happy to be lynched to prove Tim's innocence/lack thereof, to be a massive u-turn and quite scummy.
I was waiting for Roffman to give a full description of what his role entailed before asking for someone else to hammer or not, so Anderson and Timeater saying I deliberately hammered him myself is a pile of crap. If I didn't know that they would jump on it and call it OMGUS (despite Timeater being more guilty of it, and Anderson jumping onto the wagon straight away after Tim), I would call them out as a scum pair.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Pesco pesco pesco. I dont really feel like writing an attack post or pbpa, but there is just something off about him.

Oh, yeah, that's right, Tim, call someone scummy with actually giving a particularly good reason.
Shall we popcorn the mass claim, if we're going to have one?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm good with a mass-claim.
Popcorn it, Tim should pick first.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Only scum benefit from a mass-claim in lylo or mylo situations, since it lets them call people's claims scummy or it lets them counter-claim and push a lynch.
I'm against the massclaim for now.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Tuber: I had a think about it, and realised that though there may be some benefits for town, they pale into insignificance given the benefit to scum.
I'll claim if asked, but I'm not going to start a mass-claim.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I am Vabok Vabokzedot, a peasant. Vanilla townie, basically.
I don't believe reborn's claim at all, seems like he only used the threat of being a special to keep us from lynching him.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I changed my mind over the claim because it seems to be the will of the town.
Reborn's claim of vanilla strikes me as the msot scummy, and a huge flip-flop from earlier comments.
Pesco - your claim isn't more comprehensive. We've claimed all of our lack of ability - you should claim whatever ability you have.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm not keen on making my ability too obvious until I am ready to come out with it. Let's just say that scum can't win until I die, that is what my ability can do.

This makes me feel all icky and worried. I doubt it's a town win if we don't lynch Pesco.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I can think of a role that might mean scum can't win as long as Pesco is alive - Serial Killer?

[Knight of Cydonia]

There is such a thing as non-complusive. Just thinking aloud, of course - I still want a proper description of your role, and how it helps the town. Refusal to do so makes me lean further away from believing your claim of ALL POWERFUL ROLE THAT SHALL GO UNEXPLAINED.

[Knight of Cydonia]

So you find Pesco scummy, but you're still willing to make a deal?
Anderson, claim plz.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Weaopnsmiths do exatly what they say on the tin. Make weapons. Including War Hammers.

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote; Vote reborn

This stays around until you make a decent post, detailing who you suspect and why.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Bit of a jump, reborn - how do you know that, in a theme game, Weaponsmith doesn't correlate to a role? It could be a Gunsmith, certainly, or a Paranoid Gun Owner Creater (I've been one of those in another theme game, still ongoing), or even a Hammerer-Creator.
Are you actually going to do what I asked for above, or jsut keep posting nothing?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Reborn - OMGUS, much?

I wouldn't be surprised if our three scum are all voting me right now.

To sum my thoughts up: We must lynch Pesco (who is very likely scum), and KoC is scum.
Still thinking who the third scum could be, if there are three.

This seems to me like a slip on anderson's part, I think anderson knows there are three scum. I definitely don't believe his Mason claim, either: simply because, rather conveniently, it can't be proved in any way other than by lynching someone at his behest: if he's scum, he just picks randomly, and gets a free town lynch, and if he's town, which I find unlikely, only the scum benefit, because they get a nice easy town lynch, and a Mason all on his lonesome to NK without a problem.
End blatant wagoning today! Become part of the solution! Vote reborn, for obv scum with Tim and anderson!

[Knight of Cydonia]

Well, jeez, thanks for giving me a chance to defend myself before lynching me, guys.
Bah, go town, etc.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Way to play Pesco. I knew you had an NK of some kind, somehow, but I expected SK. I'm disappointed people actually wanted to ally with the 'SK'.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yeah, Timeater, no offence, but you were an absolute waste of a slot. I would rather have had Gimbo on a bad day, quite frankly.

[Knight of Cydonia]

If I'd been alive *grumble* that would have gotten my vote instantly, since I've had DF on my laptop for about the same time, RBT. If he'd said Merchant, maybe, but Traveller... dead meat.