Mini 683 - Intentionally Vague Mafia, Over

[Kmd4390]

Did someone say something?

[Kmd4390]

That's the second time I've seen things "tested". Care to explain?

[Kmd4390]

Oh, ok.

Vote Sun Tzu

Something Firestarter

[Kmd4390]

Mod, can we get a something count or vote count or something please?

[Kmd4390]

Ok, that's interesting. Maybe we should vote and "something" every time we want to vote for someone. For example,

unvote, unsomething. Vote Scattered. Something Scattered

. If the vote counts are always going to look like that, we should keep unofficial non-mod counts too.

[Kmd4390]

random OMGUS?

[Kmd4390]

No, I noticed. Just saying...

[Kmd4390]

Vote: Kmd4390

. I hate the random phase, and you cared too much about that.

What makes you say I cared too much about the random phase?

[Kmd4390]

No. I placed a random vote, and got a random OMGUS thrown back. This is fine. I pointed it out because we were still joking. Scattered seemed to think I didn't notice it was a joke, so I clarified.

[Kmd4390]

unvote, vote Sun Tzu

One post. One.

[Kmd4390]

Sun Tzu, as long as someone remembers their alignment, I don't see where forgetting their role hurts. As long as they remember it at night (assuming they have night actions) or when someone claims their role, it's fine.

[Kmd4390]

Is this day ever going to end?

vote MafiaMann

Not sure how I missed this. You want the day to end on page 4?!? And is this your

second

post? Any reason on mafiamann?

[Kmd4390]

That looks like deadline. Remember that this game is "Intentionally Vague." We don't have vote counts. Our Role PMs told us next to nothing. I'd expect an unexpected deadline. What else could it be? I don't think Mafiamann is a good lynch otherwise, but I'd vote him in case of a deadline.

Willing to hammer over a no lynch. Thoughts?

[Kmd4390]

Some games, the day ends in a no lynch with no majority. It is too soon if there is no deadline. If there is though, the day will end anyway. A no lynch is probably the worst thing we could do.

[Kmd4390]

CF, according to your vote count, MafiaMann is at L-2, not L-1.

[Kmd4390]

Lawrence is right. The rules vaguely show that we won't have a no lynch. Keeping my vote on Sun Tzu for now then.

[Kmd4390]

What is there to post on day 1 when we know nothing?

Really? No one has said anything? There hasn't been any discussion? You can't find suspicions at all?

[Kmd4390]

Or we can use discussion to logically determine who we think is scum, build cases, watch reactions, and achieve a lynch.

[Kmd4390]

Those people

Mafiamann and Rich have failed to

something to something.

pick up their prods. They will now be

somethinged.

replaced.

[Kmd4390]

That scared me. I thought we were going to get a replacement without knowing who they replace.

Scattered, why is MafiaMann obvscum?

[Kmd4390]

Hmmm.

Lynch all liars?

[Kmd4390]

Mana, have you not been watching "vote counts"? They tell us nothing.

[Kmd4390]

I agree with Lawrence. It's probably 7 to lynch. If we want to be sure though, don't go to L-1 unless you want the person lynched. L-2 is good enough for pressure.

[Kmd4390]

Are you saying we have no power roles?

[Kmd4390]

So we don't even know if we have power roles? Great...

[Kmd4390]

Maybe we should all PM the mod at night with a subject of "Intentionally Vague Night Action" and say "Something X" where X is a player we find scummy.

[Kmd4390]

That wasn't a lynch?!?

unvote, vote skitzer

How about now?

[Kmd4390]

Well, my vote should be the real hammer then.

[Kmd4390]

Not seeing what Forbiddan did that was suspicious. I just looked at her post history.

[Kmd4390]

I targeted Sun Tzu and I don't think anything happened. I assume I have no action. I'll probably try again tonight though in case of RB or whatever else.

For anyone who didn't notice, Mana was quoting the OP where it says (vaguely of course) that LG and Forbiddan were NK'd.

It looks like we have a SK although it could just as easily be a vig. We don't know if both kills were town. We don't know what Skitzer was. I guess we assume worst case scenario is we have 5 town against 3 mafia and 1 SK. Best case scenario is We lynched scum, scum killed SK, SK killed scum, we'd have 1 mafia and 8 town. So we are somewhere in that range. Basically, we could be almost anywhere right now.

I'd like some discussion before I lay down a vote. If we are in the worst case scenario that I listed above, a mislynch leaves us with 4 town, 3 mafia, and 1 SK, and 2 NKs. Drake voting so early in a situation where that is possible is suspicious. I realize that people may call that OMGUS, but I'd think so regardless of who he voted.

Actually, with 1 vote on someone and (assuming) 5 to lynch, the mafia wouldn't be able to quickhammer, so I guess there's no problem with the vote.

Sun Tzu, can we get your thoughts now that it is Day 2 and we have as close to "information" as we are going to get?

[Kmd4390]

Vote RestFermata

Looks like you killed LG.

[Kmd4390]

How convenient for you. You finger me for voting, absolve me in the next sentence, then jump on somebody for providing the town information.

Actually, I said this at the end of that post.

Actually, with 1 vote on someone and (assuming) 5 to lynch, the mafia wouldn't be able to quickhammer, so I guess there's no problem with the vote.

she just pointed out it seems unlikely that anyone would bother fessing up to targeting forbiddanlight at this point, which makes you look like a bit of a reactionary.

WIFOM argument: If I were scum in a game like this, I'd make the NK and say "Well, that's who I targeted. Guess I'm vig."

So we can say for sure either RF killed LG, Sun Tzu killed LG, or someone lied about targeting someone.

We can say for sure either Sun Tzu killed Forbiddan, or some lied about targeting someone.

If I were to lie about targeting someone, I'd probably say that I didn't target anyone at all. That's Drake,Firestarter, and Mana.

[Kmd4390]

unvote RF

because of the possibility that she is a vig.

vote Sun Tzu

because he says he didn't get the town role PM.

[Kmd4390]

Lawrence, who do you suggest we lynch then?

[Kmd4390]

Hey, so I was under the impression that

the PM I got was just notifying everyone

that the night had ended, but are we saying that it means that something happened to us last night, or we did something to someone else last night? Just noticed that in my brief reread.

I never got a PM.

@Kmd: I don't have a good opinion on who to lynch right now, RF was high up my list but I prefer to let him kill sun tzu. Firestarter looks a bit suspicious, it's not much though so I better reread again. I don't have a lot of time to reread right at the moment so don't expect huge cases from me this week.

Why is Sun Tzu a wasted lynch?

Wait, scratch that, I do. It does say I win if I survive something. Damn, not going to win any popularity contests for backtracking, but yeah, it does.

Are you part of the collective something?

Why does everyone want to kill me anyway?

By the way, my role PM says I win if I survive something and

doesn't say anything about a collective.

It doesn't say anything about teammates either so I guess I'm some kind of independent. It's pretty vague, obviously.

If you read the Town Role PM at the beginning of the game, you will see the word collective in there. You say your role doesn't say anything about collective. You got a different role PM than the town got. Your role must be anti-town.

[Kmd4390]

Wouldn't I have partners if I was scum? Or if I was a serial killer, wouldn't I have killed someone?

We had 2 NK's, 1 unaccounted for. We don't

know

that RF is a vig. It's possible that RF is mafia and you are a SK. Or maybe you just chose not to kill, and RF is a vig.

Why must my role be anti-town?

What non town aligned role isn't anti-town?

[Kmd4390]

Have a link?

[Kmd4390]

I'm collective something and have to survive.

Sun Tzu, it's the fact that you aren't collective something, not the surviving part.

[Kmd4390]

Pretty much everyone has said their role says they have to survive.

[Kmd4390]

Yes it does say that I am part of the collective something. Just that one sentence is different.

Same here.

[Kmd4390]

WHy do you think killing me is protown? How do you think it helps?

Assuming the collective something is the town, and you aren't collective something, you aren't town. Chances are that's a pretty good lynch.

[Kmd4390]

I was wondering that too...

[Kmd4390]

By my count, we have 4 (CF, me, Lawrencelot, firestarter) voting Sun Tzu, 1 (drake) voting me, and 1 (you) voting lawrencelot.

So Sun Tzu is at L-1.

[Kmd4390]

Wait, so Scattered was modkilled for a town win, correct?

And I have to say, we did pretty damn good on those lynches.

I'm shocked I was a lover. Didn't expect that.