3d20 – The Great Board Game War [GAME OVER]

[cyrus62]

i do think james and redtea are on the same team though.

[cyrus62]

Could just be 3 scum and a cult though, then with 4 outed we still may not have a large enough poe to guarantee scum is among the "off list" roles

Like I said I'm a vt which is why I said its off the list.

[cyrus62]

Please can we just vote cakez already

i think cakes is pro team so i anit voting them.

[cyrus62]

people im willing to vote . dw,t3,james or nero.

[cyrus62]

CAKEZ IS HOWLING AT THE MOON

how sure are you?

[cyrus62]

CAKEZ IS HOWLING AT THE MOON

how sure are you?

Top scumread sure.

i guise what i was asking are you willing to die for your scum read if they flip town?

[cyrus62]

CAKEZ IS HOWLING AT THE MOON

how sure are you?

Top scumread sure.

i guise what i was asking are you willing to die for your scum read if they flip town?

no

then you anit so sure are you. i am so sure james would flip 3dr party that i would take a bullet if he didnt.

[cyrus62]

James is prety much a loctown for the above. He has no reason to say that he knows in the main thread if he is scum.

how does that work? town doesn't know who is who only scum know that till at least night1 and then if town is lucky we will know 1 . if we are extremely lucky then we might know 2 people are town.

but to go this far on the ledge and say you lock town him for this.

makes me think you are anti town with him.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: t3

[cyrus62]

I have no idea why People always scum read me I never roll scum I always roll town.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: nero why you voteing Thor he already town claims a pr.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: thor

We're not killing thor, I have no idea why james would out that

Who voted you table champion we anit killing Thor since when he's had bad play left and right never even gave his dice rolls he just claimed what he rolled every one else gave a dice number .

[cyrus62]

Cyrus everyone is a PR

I refuse to believe this. Do you know how bad of a game that would be completely unbalanced and I told you my role isn't on the list since I. Am a vt.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: dw for lieing and trying to deceive me.

[cyrus62]

All Roll PMs collected! I have generated a setup out of those rolls. Changes

did

have to be made for balance – FIVE different rolls on FIVE different rolecards were fudged to create a more theoretically balanced environment. These changes will be made public at the end of the game.

A reminder that these generated rolecards will be shuffled before the game begins – you may not get your own 3d20 cast back as your role. But it should help you setup speculate

This is what your missing fudged 5 roles to make it balanced . So i got a vt.

[cyrus62]

Sup fools
I’ll read in a bit probably

Make it quick we only got a little over 2 and half days left?

[cyrus62]

its frozen. just let it go

Not any more it was frozen till a replacement was found and gamma is the replacement. Does any one besides me keep track of the game.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: thor

votecount 1.7

Dwlee99 (3):

Marashu, ssbm_Kyouko, SirCakez

redtea (2):

MegAzumarill, Dragon of the West

cyrus62 (2):

JamesTheNames, redtea

SirCakez (2):

Robert M Hunter, T3

Thor Ragnarok (1):

Nero Cain

Nero Cain (1):

cyrus62

JamesTheNames (1):

Dwlee99

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a consensus.

MegAzumarill failed to respond to a prod and will be replaced. Deadline is frozen at 2 days, 17 hours until replacement found.

h see.

[cyrus62]

Gamma Emerald replaces MegAzumarill!

Replacement Queue

1. Not_Mafia
2. Titus
3. MathBlade

see.

[cyrus62]

James is prety much a loctown for the above. He has no reason to say that he knows in the main thread if he is scum.

What's the town motivation to make that post?

There isn't, but it usually comes from town.

VOTE: cyrus
Scumclaim.

Yes if I was scum I would normally out my self by now .

[cyrus62]

VOTE: cyrus
Scumclaim.

Yes I know omg I voted you. Is it still omg if I vote you back for voting me for voting you .

[cyrus62]

You claimed vt. You are obviously lying.

and why am i lying did the mod not say he fudged 5 roles you dont think to balance the game he made some vts or at least one?

[cyrus62]

Why not James

Same though

well i stated why James is bad even gave some reasons wall post and quoting cases are quite hard on my outdated iPad. i flat out dont trust dw and t3 isnt playing the same way i seen him play as town . nero is given me anti town vibes all game.

[cyrus62]

I am voting James right now Cyrus why don't you also vote James if you think he is bad

only if you promise to let me in your club later VOTE: james

[cyrus62]

I feel like the way that James is sort of just hands off not interacting with me despite apparently being his cult leader read is bad

club i was talking about

[cyrus62]

okay
I guess my main question is "why the focus on the cult?" Based on the setup details I guess the cult could end up being quite powerful if allowed any traction but idk what exactly dictated the stuff that happened with the role rand

I mean, no cult limit, possible double or multitasking (or both!) cult leader, and only 13 players with mafia also around to cut down numbers? Getting cult early seems like a good idea to me. If we can't get CL, I will gladly go for partnered scum, but I know where my priority lies.

yeah this makes sense
do we have any leads to who it is or anything?

i have a few . mostly hunches.

[cyrus62]

cyrus has a thing where he is always vt or whatever

The sight hates me I have honestly only roled pr once I replaced in as pr once I have only been scum 5 or 6 times and one was me replacing in, the rest of the time I got vt I always get vt.

[cyrus62]

And at the start I also recommend that every one claim vt to give scum more of a chance at hitting the pgo.

[cyrus62]

Can someone who rolled Reroll Twice use one on me? I think I could do a lot better with another role, this one doesn't complement my strong points

lol i like this i think we stuck with what we got . note i recommend every one say they got vt role pm so scum cant kill prs.

@t3 did you not read this.

[cyrus62]

He vented in admin.

Excuse me what is admin .no talking about on going games. Ge am I playing with rule breakers?

[cyrus62]

Stating to think playing with nm would be fun.

[cyrus62]

Just hammer who ever reaches e1 lol sounds fun.

[cyrus62]

I know thinking reaserly got me eliminated in town strumps. If I had just hammered even though I was town I might have lived longer.

[cyrus62]

AAaaaaaaa
no
i don't cheat
jamestown

Cheater . Cheater! Lol

[cyrus62]

James has been tunneling and doing Stuff

I can tunnel to but then people would hate playing with me heck mistina thinks I don't speak English

[cyrus62]

@t3 James whole reasoning of scum reading me is I 1st didn't want to out my roll when i rolled pgo. Then me thinking he crumb pgo and wonder why I outed it . But then during our spit I read the wiki on pgo and realized it needed outed . So I outed what I thought was a chumb to help town avoid being killed by it. Him tunneling me for this is very anti town.

[cyrus62]

Considering this is the only game I am alive in yes I been posting a lot. But I kinda feel the whole mech talk wasted most of day1 and James tunnel wasted the other half so we were not able to form town reads since I been going back and fourth with him during the whole mech talk . So yes I feel James is very anti town and then you have red tea adding to the tunnel .

[cyrus62]

These are the current roll claims, who made them, and the post they were made in:
Cyrus62 - [7, 7, 1] Town Paranoid Gun Owner with no modification - 72
Dragon of the West - [1-13, 5, ?] Town Neighborizer with an unknown modification - 322
Dwlee99 - [12, 8, 14] Town Parity Cop with a Multitasking modication - 34
JamesTheNames - [6, 10, 7] Town Tracker with an Even-Night modification - 64
Marashu - [1-13, 8, 7] Town Parity Cop with an Even-Night modification - 37
MegAzumarill - [19, 17, 20] Cult Bus Driver with a Reroll Twice modification - 82
Nero Cain - [1-13, 9, ?] Town Rolecop with an unknown Modification - 226
Redtea - [14, 6, 20] Mafia Fruit Vendor with a Reroll Twice modification - 171
Robert M Hunter - [2, 19, 3] Town Roleblocker with no modification - 344
SirCakez - [1-13, 9, 20] Town Rolecop with a Reroll Twice modication - 268
Ssbm_Kyouko - [13, 8, 1] Mafia Parity Cop with no modification - 25
T3 - [1-13, 14, 5] Town Voyeur with a Multitasking modification - 139
Thor Ragnarok - [1-13, 19, ?] Town Roleblocker with an unknown modification - 167

"The list" >Cyrus< vt off "^the list^"

[cyrus62]

All Roll PMs collected! I have generated a setup out of those rolls. Changes

did

have to be made for balance – FIVE different rolls on FIVE different rolecards were fudged to create a more theoretically balanced environment. These changes will be made public at the end of the game.

A reminder that these generated rolecards will be shuffled before the game begins – you may not get your own 3d20 cast back as your role. But it should help you setup speculate

Mod wrote so indeed 5 of the 13 rolls were change meaning out of 13 only 8 rolls can be trusted on the list. Making said list kinda a joke 5 is 3dr of 15 so in 5 out of 13 leavening 8 more then a 3dr roles have been changed.

[cyrus62]

no one forced you to humor the mech talk, cyrus. Hey, I was there the whole time mostly avoiding it like the plague, you could've talked to

me

I play games so I don't have to do math or school work you guys stink making me use my head like this

[cyrus62]

So red tea your a smart guy? what would be the course of action here so we know what part of said list we can trust?

[cyrus62]

@mod

just curious, are you counting votes by hand for the vc?

Why dose this matter in the game?

[cyrus62]

@mod

just curious, are you counting votes by hand for the vc?

i am, yes. i am prone to error.

Don't feel bad I like your idea of this game. I can see when I do mine I'll have to,iron out a lot of stuff.

[cyrus62]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus_Driver I thought knowing this might help town.

[cyrus62]

@mod

just curious, are you counting votes by hand for the vc?

i am, yes. i am prone to error.

Don't feel bad I like your idea of this game. I can see when I do mine I'll have to,iron out a lot of stuff.

my advice: use an automated VC'er.

back to not influencing the game

*sits back down*

ps could I get another vote count

[cyrus62]

i just realized i lied somewhere about vla by mistake i intended to set the record straight i have gone vla once during the 4th of July.

[cyrus62]

@mod why is my vote not on james?

[cyrus62]

VOTE: cakes your omging needs work. @ dragon of the west. i stated no one should claim anything and that i recommend every one claim vt also i have shown countless of times why vt can exists so calling me a flat out lire here is kinda of offensive.

[cyrus62]

and fyi i get very angry very fast for being accused of lying. i mean very fast.

[cyrus62]

only 8 of the 13 roles are reliable so nic picking is kinda low. you remove the cult the scum rolls that leaves 5 town roles we can count on.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: cakes your omging needs work. @ dragon of the west. i stated no one should claim anything and that i recommend every one claim vt also i have shown countless of times why vt can exists so calling me a flat out lire here is kinda of offensive.

Cyrus, this whole game is based around people lying. I don't really know what to say if you're so fragile being scum that you have to lash out. But my point wasn't that you were definitely lying; it's that if you're lying about being VT then I'm fine limming a liar and if you aren't lying then limming an unhelpful, anti-town VT is probably the best mislim we could have

tell me what is smarter play here stating you have a role on the list so cult or scum know where to aim or saying you anit on the list so scum doesn't aim at you. anti town? this whole game i been trying to help town by showing why the mech talk wasn't helpful. all it did was waste are time and leave us wondering what 5 roles can trust with out even knowing what or who we can trust.

[cyrus62]

then you have Thor how has he helped oh he claimed his role was on the list? a weak role something scum will pass over in hope of hitting a pr that does help town. if anything james , redtea cakes or thor are best eliminations.

[cyrus62]

3) We don't know if there's a mafia or werewolf recruiter as well as a cult one, what is he talking about?

I may be missing something but I think there's no chance of a mafia recruiter by the setup?

there isnt.

[cyrus62]

im the best page toper

[cyrus62]

Cakes screams of cult gamma is rght

[cyrus62]

Cakes screams of cult gamma is rght

Hold my hand and walk me through it

Not on my pc at this point of time doing surfing to prove why he reads of cult.

[cyrus62]

And I have a few thoughts on who I think is cult and who is who.

[cyrus62]

People I suspect of cult are as follows . Dragon of the west was the 1st to give me these vibs

[cyrus62]

Then my 2nd thought was rmh. And last was dw. Reasons for all of these comeing

[cyrus62]

Dragon of the west started out hard defending me saying he wouldn't vote me off 1st day. Then with out gves get a reason put me in thire Poe

[cyrus62]

Rmh reasons now following . He lurcks hard core this whole day. Well providing no game advancing post. He's post just enough to not get proded staying overly secret.

[cyrus62]

Now you have dw reasons are as follows he basically went off harder then I have seen him in recent games.

[cyrus62]

cyrus: cakez is screaming cultist
also cyrus: here's reasons why 3 other people, not cakez, are cultist.

I'm getting mixed messages here...

I'm getting there I was giving my reasons for why I thought throse 3.

[cyrus62]

Now you have dw reasons are as follows he basically went off harder then I have seen him in recent games.

What does went off mean

You started tunneling James to a point of asking me to vote him and refusing to look at any one else till after the end of the day and after you seen no one else would vote him.

[cyrus62]

Cyrus, Dwlee, Gamma - I want to kill one of these people

His whole iso is just disgusting he hasn't even bother to get in the game and then he just omg gamma and me and any one that voted him

[cyrus62]

VOTE: ssbm what do you mean the cult is a lie ?

[cyrus62]

If there is a cult it isn't gamma

There is no if it was rolled.

[cyrus62]

What if it was 5 town rolls that got fudged to make diffent fictions ?

[cyrus62]

If there is a cult it isn't gamma

There is no if it was rolled.

what is this trying to say

Dw is trying to add to the thought cult might not exist by using the word if . I. Am pretty sure gamma isn't cult.

[cyrus62]

Win lose or draw I want cooks to do this setup again but next time every keeps what they roll lol.

[cyrus62]

Have you played with redtea before? This is the first time I've played with them so I'm afraid I'm reading into their play wrong

and to the left you can see scum covering his ass with the classic "maybe im wrong tho :/"
(update: this was the point in my catching-up I thought scum might be successful in pushing my elim. I believe that is what Dragon was planning for here with this post)

Nah, I'm just not sure of people's alignments before they flip because I'm town. And this being our first game together means I have no basis for how you tend to play so reading you D1 is that much harder. I'm trash at D1 reads in general and I don't understand how people tend to be so overly confident of reads this early in a game

Most is it is fake I think. Like I said my is only hunches not reads.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: cakes yea should have kept his my vote here even though ssbm is trying to act like cult don't exsist

[cyrus62]

E2 for cakes

[cyrus62]

why is cyrus getting wagoned? because I'm not gonna support it without good reason, seeing as he's pretty much always been a hasty choice when I've seen him miselimmed and in multiple of those scenarios I was scum who was happy to get rid of him with how troublesome he was to get rid of otherwise

nothing he posts feels real
it feels like he will literally vote anyone
and it feels like he's making stuff up to support his votes

show me what i made up? and I'll do you one better I'll hammer my self to prove im town i have done this before and am not scared to do it again. you mech talk was and is complete utter bullshit .13 rolls 5 of the 13 fudged leaves 8 and if we take the cult and scum rolls at face value that leaves only 5 i think what dw has is the pgo he can tell me if im right or wrong Thor said he got the town voual role that leaves 3 we can trust and the rest just a bunch of hogwash . the way dw said he was willing to reveal his role if it would help town more and wants some one to shoot him.

[cyrus62]

before any one else votes me i want to hear cakes prove im makeing up stuff

[cyrus62]

and nero has just proving he is scum here.

[cyrus62]

t3 prove to me how i am not town here besides this meta garbage .

[cyrus62]

damn this shit is starting to piss me off. i want concert evdince that this is not my town play .

[cyrus62]

I am not PGO

you think that role got fudged if so town have nothing to worry about expect cult and scum. when checking people.

[cyrus62]

before any one else votes me i want to hear cakes prove im makeing up stuff

you saying I was just OMGUSing anybody was just not true

Cyrus, Dwlee, Gamma - I want to kill one of these people

His whole iso is just disgusting he hasn't even bother to get in the game and then he just omg gamma and me and any one that voted him

and what mech talk? I haven't talked mechanics all game.

i didnt say you were. dumbasss every one else basicly was. and the omg i will prove it.

[cyrus62]

Spoiler:

Mara Kyo dwlee townblock
VOTE: MegA

Sure who's that
VOTE: MegA

VOTE: ssbm
Don't like this sequence

I rolled Town Roleblocker but the mod gave me something completely different

I'm messaging them to try and work it out

lol

FWIW I'm not moving my vote of a cyrus62, I have evidence why they aren't town at all, and why what they're doing aren't town sided. They have OMGUS and baseless claims. I'm entirely confident I've got this right. Unless some miracle revelation occurs or the planets align, it won't budge.

this doesn't make James scum but I just hate this sort of playstyle

VOTE: sircakez
you are openwolfing harder than a sheep with a long tail

what is this even in response to lol

still reading but its just the same four people talking and this is a mini theme
bleh

Why do I feel like role fishing is going on.

who and where? what is this post even?

I don't think Kyouko is scum anymore. Too much WIM from them.

VOTE: MegA

Can someone ELI5 why Roberts roll claim makes him scum

It's a low chance that he rolls the same role that Thor did. Far more likely he lied about what he rolled and to avoid getting caught outright later on, he stole someone else's roll (Thor's) so it would be a 1v1 at worst. If RMH had claimed before Thor I'd be saying the same thing about Thor rn, in reverse.

Odds of rolling the exact same role seem lower than the odds of him being scum trying to hide what he really rolled (possibly a decent scum PR that one of his buddies or he ended up with)

ok I can see this argument

VOTE: RMH

the mechanical talk is killing me

VOTE: dwlee
Last few pages gave me a gross feeling about them

Cyrus, Dwlee, Gamma - I want to kill one of these people

VOTE: Gamma
MegA was scummy too

VOTE: cyrus
ig

this whole thing is omg and i will show why when he strted voting me and gamma it was after i voted him and gamma voted him and dw was after dw voted him.

[cyrus62]

ok dw is the only one you didnt omg cakes.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: cakez
my head hurts rn so I'm just gonna go with what pinged me earlier, and maybe I'll be able to actually look at this game for real at some later point

but right here you started pushing gamma when you were on dw. and the only reason you were pushing dw was becuse of james. who has successfully mislead town in to thinking it had 13 rolls right and to hunt on the list. which gave no real meat to go by since we cn only go by 5 rolls.

[cyrus62]

I really don't know how to use my role and I'd love some advice for how to use it

If there's a neighborizer or recruiter, just talk to me now so I can get pointers early before I use it on someone I shouldn't

thor got pgo then whhy was he asking how to use it? you cant use it ? it gets used when some one targets you.

[cyrus62]

Is there time to go for James?

no but you can join me on cakes who wants you me and gamma dead.

[cyrus62]

daycult thor

I'd like Cakez to get a night action off that he can give us or get nightkilled

what night action he hasn't claimed shit.

[cyrus62]

Marashu and Cyrus should both be around, that could be 4 votes

four votes on who ?

[cyrus62]

oh hahaha cakes fucked up.

[cyrus62]

i fucking lied as a gambit for the 1st time it payed off i am town parity cop with no mod i can check him and se if he is green or red.

[cyrus62]

i cc cakes lie

[cyrus62]

But also no modifier parity cop is what I rolled and that role was mafia

i just rechecked both my role and the list after you posted that and i have multitask piety town cop

[cyrus62]

does that mean i can check two people each night?

[cyrus62]

no dw cakes is lieing he isnt town he got ssbm role

[cyrus62]

VOTE: Cyrus
Cyrus looked at the list where I had said multitasking instead of rampaging by accident but he forgot that it got changed to rampaging and tried to say he was the multitasking one

i told you i cc cakes and no i do have multitask

[cyrus62]

i have mutitake the roll must have been fudged

[cyrus62]

VOTE: Cyrus
Cyrus looked at the list where I had said multitasking instead of rampaging by accident but he forgot that it got changed to rampaging and tried to say he was the multitasking one

Think this was hammer but I dont remember if mara was on Cyrus or cakez before swapping

mara switch to james

[cyrus62]

Like unless cook changed an even-night or a rampaging parity cop to a multitasking one (which wouldn't do anything???) your claimed role just doesn't exist.

thats why i said it was off the list.

[cyrus62]

Is there time to go for James?

VOTE: James

no ones flipping

[cyrus62]

hears my thoughts somebody is already lying about what they rolled but who and why?

which is why i thought someone was lieing.

[cyrus62]

i can prove im the town one would you like that dw?

[cyrus62]

are you real willing to take the chance?

[cyrus62]

[cyrus62]

you lot are acting to quickly you could have the role cop check me .

[cyrus62]

and if cakes is realy town you can have him check me and some one else.

[cyrus62]

Wait did I just accidentally catch Cyrus lol

Yes lmao

nope i dont slip like that.

[cyrus62]

i fucking lied as a gambit for the 1st time it payed off i am town parity cop with no mod i can check him and se if he is green or red.

That's not even how it works. You'd have to check him N1 and someone different N2 and all it would tell you is if they're the same or different alignments

mine said i can check 2 people each night.

[cyrus62]

thats how the multitask works ok thank you dragon i didnt fully understand .

[cyrus62]

im not lieing about the mutitask ssbm before you hammer you have to understand i am mutitask town prity cop i swear on it this

[cyrus62]

i fucking lied as a gambit for the 1st time it payed off i am town parity cop with no mod i can check him and se if he is green or red.

That's not even how it works. You'd have to check him N1 and someone different N2 and all it would tell you is if they're the same or different alignments

mine said i can check 2 people each night.

Even if that were true, which it isn't, it would still just tell you if those two people have the same or different alignments. Not which alignment

i am not fucking lieing about the muti task i fucking mean it i have mutitask.

[cyrus62]

at least let me prove that . couldn't the role be fudge to make it more even or balanced

[cyrus62]

im not self hammering i just realized my role is one of the main town power roles. i have to play to my wincon

[cyrus62]

I think the parity cop functions by selecting two people in a night?

thats what my role pm saids yes two people . dragon just said one

[cyrus62]

wont get modkill for the 1st time to prove this.

[cyrus62]

i cant copy my role pm.

[cyrus62]

i can check two people my role pm said i could.

[cyrus62]

shit damn hell . this was my mistake wait for it dragon your right i anit mutitask im Doubled Parity Cop now i see why i fucked up i didnt read the role pm right. i thought it was mutitask.

[cyrus62]

Doubled meaning i use it twice isnt that mutitasking.

[cyrus62]

did any one roll a 20? yes

[cyrus62]

im not scum or i would have self hammerd by now.

[cyrus62]

Maybe I should just hammer before anyone CCs Cyrus as a third PC before they realize he outed

yes i did my job for you in all my games have i ever made a mistake before?

[cyrus62]

Doubled Parity Cop is real

[cyrus62]

The biggest downside is that I like to ISO people after they flip. I'm not looking forward to cyrus' ISO.

lol you stink maybe i would have self hammerd by now if i didnt think everyone would make fun of me.

[cyrus62]

yes ok now that the flip my mistake was thinking muti tasker was in my role when it was Doubled Parity Cop but yes i was town you fools i always roll town.

[cyrus62]

I mean if you're town I can sort of understand because I rolled rampaging and thought it was multitasking, but also I don't think this was the same mistake because it was in your role pm not in a list you had to look at a number for.

when it said two people i thought it ment mutitask

[cyrus62]

Dragon is cult.

[cyrus62]

I would target dragon

[cyrus62]

nero you could have hammerd cakes and i could have used it to make it to day 3 atleast. @rmh if i wasnt voted off day 1 would you have shot me

[cyrus62]

I think you would have been on our radar as a shot, having the role you did and also being a pain to miselim in most cases

at that point in the game my role wouldnt have been reveald

[cyrus62]

SirCakez (6) [E-1]:

T3, Gamma Emerald, Marashu, T3, Robert M Hunter, cyrus62

cyrus62 (2):

JamesTheNames, Dragon of the West

JamesTheNames (2):

Dwlee99, ssbm_Kyouko

Gamma Emerald (2):

SirCakez, redtea

Robert M Hunter (1):

Thor Ragnarok

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Nero Cain

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

{DEADLINE} remains.

see like omg. he could have hammerd.

[cyrus62]

on killing Cyrus: he's a lil' mad at me and understandable I guess but I was town reading cakez in the thread. I would have looked a lil' bad if I hammered him b4 claim both b/c its customary to let ppl claim b4 elimination and I had stated a town read on him.

I saw the writing on the wall that you were going to get wagoned after the cakez wagon started to dissipate and I wanted to be on you for the town cred

you would have had more town cred killing cakes i knew he was cult.