Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[Lukewarm]

ffs @ my role

[Lukewarm]

anyways

@Marci lets speed elim Cabd this game

VOTE: cabd

[Lukewarm]

Hail to the King, baby.

You ever signed up for a game...
Then you signed up for another game...
Then you played and finished the second game you signed up for...
Before the first game you signed up for started?

Happened to me.

Toog, I think you and I went for the same ride there

[Lukewarm]

anyways

@Marci lets speed elim Cabd this game

VOTE: cabd

sure i need my revenge

She says, but with no vote. smh

[Lukewarm]

ffs @ my role

I'm going to be a really bad player
and townread this Day 1 btw.

Guys, I think I have found the easy pocket target this game

[Lukewarm]

ffs @ my role

I'm going to be a really bad player
and townread this Day 1 btw.

Guys, I think I have found the easy pocket target this game

Weird post.

You're a weird post.

[Lukewarm]

anyways

@Marci lets speed elim Cabd this game

VOTE: cabd

sure i need my revenge

She says, but with no vote. smh

yeye gotta beat my world record

Please no

[Lukewarm]

Marci, that is not how speed elims work

[Lukewarm]

Me?

[Lukewarm]

The death is final? one?

[Lukewarm]

Subtlety is not exactly my strong suit cabd lol

[Lukewarm]

My first thought was that role from tarot that let pooky talk to notty

[Lukewarm]

That is my only experience with any role that where death was not final

[Lukewarm]

Luke, tell me how I was so fooled by you last game. What should I avoid in trusting you?

I feel like that was pretty popcorn specific. For the first half of the game, I was repeatedly asking for the gun, and hoped it got me town read, and then hoping that the gun bearer would not shoot a town read. And it worked for a while. Hectic had me as one of his top town reads for that same reason early on.

I think you just happened to buy into that strat more then some others, because you were also kind of playing that way and you were town lol

[Lukewarm]

LLD, I am sorry you got that role. That seems pretty rough


(also, does not seem like a role scum would come up with to fake claim, so I am buying that mess as a town role )

[Lukewarm]

Likelihood of Rhia lying about role is zero

JJH adding negative utility to town to fux with them also decently high

Binned

A little early for this assumption given the slot. It's also a type of claim that could easily draw these types of conclusions, and Mafia could bank on that.

Base a scum/town alignment on other actions not easily fakeabke.

Do not like.

VOTE: Toog

[Lukewarm]

Do you think the exhaustive mix or light and heat you're emitting could get someone speedwagoned?

Do you want to try it? I wouldn't test your faith as scum here

Nobody has Cakez'd yet. I'll let you, and the thread, know. Loudly. Repeatedly. Mockingly. Annoyingly.

Nobody has Cakez'd but I sorta think someone is ManWithNoNameing.

I don't know what either of these things mean lol

[Lukewarm]

I just thought Lukewarm snickering to himself about his role was odd

Was I snickering to myself about my role?

[Lukewarm]

That was not my intent, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Lukewarm]

To point back to later.

I recently learned of this thing, its called "crumbing" and I thought I would try it out sometime. /s

I may have mentioned that subtlety is not yet a strong suit of mine, but I'm trying!

[Lukewarm]

Which means that the crumb does not make sense unless I point to it. Isn't that like, the point of a crumb?

[Lukewarm]

There are actually 3 different points about my role built into that first message. But, don't really feel like breaking them down atm

[Lukewarm]

I would like to state OMGUS @ marci

[Lukewarm]

Which means that the crumb does not make sense unless I point to it. Isn't that like, the point of a crumb?

That just makes you a target

In fact, talking about this sort of invalidates the point you're trying to make with a crumb. It is indeed used to allude back to, but only when you have ready information or something to speak on

Why even mention this

You're the one who brought it up my dude

[Lukewarm]

OH GOD 12 PAGES WHYYYYYY

Hi Wheme!

[Lukewarm]

I mean it boils down to:

My first post is a crumb.

Unwnd thought it was a weird post, and started asking me about it.

I said "its actually a crumb"

He said it does not make sense.

I said, thats the point.

I don't know what else I can even say about it without decoding the crumb, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Lukewarm]

Imagine making a general crumb instead of some super meta abstract art bullshit in this playerlist lmfao.

We all have to start somewhere Cabd

[Lukewarm]

Crumb was an epic fail

You might as well talk about it now because if you're not scum they've already either

1) Decided to kill you
2) Fuck with your role in some sort of fashion

At this point the scum team know that I have "a role" but don't know any more, and since this appears to be role madness, do you really think that it makes more sense for us to give out more info then that?

I will decode the crumb if more then just you want me too, but it feels bad to do that with ffery/notty waving a sign around about it being weird to mass claim day 1

[Lukewarm]

Half of you have outted roles or crumbs already don’t point that at me I’ll run you into the dirt

I meant that you were saying to NOT do that.

[Lukewarm]

Crumb was an epic fail

You might as well talk about it now because if you're not scum they've already either

1) Decided to kill you
2) Fuck with your role in some sort of fashion

At this point the scum team know that I have "a role" but don't know any more, and since this appears to be role madness, do you really think that it makes more sense for us to give out more info then that?

I will decode the crumb if more then just you want me too, but it feels bad to do that with ffery/notty waving a sign around about it being weird to mass claim day 1

Then why did you give extra info by saying you were crumbing something in the first place? lol

I feel I'm not getting my point across

Because you started asking about it?

Like, I made the single post, and walked away. Did not mention it again until you brought it up

[Lukewarm]

..It wasn't your intent?

Then why mention anything about your role

[Lukewarm]

You asked me a direct question, and I decided that it was easier to just tell you the truth then to try and lie to you to hide the crumb.

Like, I typed up a crumb that I was somewhat happy about how it hid the information. I posted it. But apparently I fucked up, and it did not look natural.

When you asked me, my options were: lie, and pretend that that was just me talking, and then you were gonna be left with thinking "that was a weird post from Luke" and keep pointing out. Possibly leading to other people thinking it was a weird post. And then potentially get scum read for lying. Or just tell the truth, and admit I failed at making a crumb natural looking crumb.

I went with just telling the truth.

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Toog


I think I'm into the

crackers stage

with the unwnd-luke back and forth.

I again, don't know what this means

[Lukewarm]

no i do not think so

I mean, of course not from your pov.

I think that Dunn is asking about if you are scum with that ability, then you could purposefully use your extra vote to kill someone extra the day before elo

[Lukewarm]

It seems strong, but functionally it is a vig (1bonus kill per night) with extra steps right?

[Lukewarm]

But it is definitely a weird role

[Lukewarm]

My thoughts on the Manatee claim are that it feels about as strong as a vig, which is to say, very strong, but also not "unbelievably strong" and was surprised to see Cabd describe it that way. Especially since we have an overtly negative role claim from LLD.

Plus, her ability will instantly be provable tonight, if the extra person dies or not.

Plus, that kind of claim is kind of a death sentence, because the scum team will never let a vig just live, so seems like she will self resolve

[Lukewarm]

Vigs don't show up in 13 player set ups?

[Lukewarm]

I feel like the way it is tied to her vote is a negative to the role?

Like, if she does not use the extra vote, then it back fires and guaranteed kills a townie. But once she does use her extra vote, she will be questioned about it.

So, its like she is a vig that has to claim vig day 1/2, and waves her hands up and down for the scum team to kill her off.

But what do I know about balance

I still feel like if she is town that the scum team basically has to kill her now, so it will resolve itself.

[Lukewarm]

Also, I am worried about Marci. I think she might be scum

[Lukewarm]

Can we like, ACTUALLY talk about that marcistar read though, Luke?

I got the exact opposite impression from her replies to unwnd, they sort of reminded me of my first large theme.

What data do you have that makes you feel otherwise?

Her lack of a presence early on. Especially 253 , which felt like something she said in Tarot ? (this may be wrong, I have not gotten a chance to look back, but it felt that way)

And then when Unwnd did get content from her, we got 279

Which, I omgus'ed her for. Specifically

i was a bit concerned about 16, since im not sure if i like how luke reached out to me specifically.

Which from my pov, felt wrong. I have played more games with Marci then anyone else on site (except T3 lol), and I generally start out talking directly with her in every game that we play in (as both alignments). And if felt extra weird, because I specifically talked her into playing this game with us, and she clearly immediately got the joke I was making, and played along in post 19

So it kind of felt like she got put on the spot by unwnd, and just needed something to say, and drew that out of a hat to be suspicious of vs a concern that she actually had.

[Lukewarm]

Erm, convinced so soon?

What's your individual reason to not like Luke if I may ask

I wouldn't say convinced. It's more like an obvious conclusion based on my previous statements.

Luke vote on me is just opportunistic and more of a sheep vote.

I would not call my vote a sheep vote. I saw your post, and thought it was scummy, and voted you before I even got to the point that LLD voted you for it.

That post looked more like someone in a mind set of "don't let town blocks form" then someone who looked at her posts and decided if it was town or not.

[Lukewarm]

I would give them more leniency just by being quick to establish their role, which puts them into a self-resolving at this rate

What do you mean by self resolving here?

[Lukewarm]

Hey guys. I have a busy day today, so probably wont get caught up until late tonight or maybe tomorrow

[Lukewarm]

Hello dear friends, I have returned. What have I missed?

I'll be around and catching up for the next couple hours

[Lukewarm]

unwnd claimed a daycop guilty on you. Thoughts?

I think that never happened lol

[Lukewarm]

If it did, then I assume its a gambit, because I had unwnd pegged for town before I left

[Lukewarm]

Just reached the bottom of page 25.

Liking Dunn and LLD for town.

kyouko as well, but maybe to a lesser extent.

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: lukewarm

Blood for the blood gods.

Nice

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

and LLD says 235 is like a "mask off paranoia" (scum with their mask off?) that is posted to prevent the formation of a townblock.

~maybe~

But LLD is scumreading me and I'm town so, seeing her warped reasoning on me, I'm not about to sheep her on what could be equally warped reasoning on other players.

I am not really liking DGB. And I really don't like this post.

Why is she not just forming an opinion on Toog on her own? Like why wave away the Toog suspicions because LLD (from her pov) has 1 bad read on her?

And even "LLD has one bad read, and therefore all of her reads can be ignored" feels really bad anyways.

I am also unwure how DGB is reading LLD atm? Like, just earlier this page she said she thought LLD's claim was scummy, but this post seems to imply that LLD's reads are real, but bad?

This also ignores that Dunn and myself have also voiced concerns about Toog up to this point :/

idk. Weird post, that does not actually call either Toog or LLD scum or town

[Lukewarm]

What a.... lukewarm... response.

Yeah Lukewarm ISO is… pretty lukewarm.

It’s 15% RVS, 25% role/setup stuff, 40% pointless back and forth mentioned above, and 10% jab at Toogeloo.

I did that first!

Well, I am missing like 200 posts worth of context, so hard to properly respond.

[Lukewarm]

Bloodstained is over so I can infer and complain about it openly

Last time I tried to lead I died for it

Never again!

I don't think you died because you tried to lead...

When you were loud with opinions day 1 and 2 I town read you.

It was when you stopped leading, and started just complaining about how upset you were that mechanics got in the way of your reads, and how the alt win con made it impossible to solve that my read on you changed.

Leading is good

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

I think manatee’s role has non-zero chance of being 3p.

That could be true for LLD as well, no?

It's anyone's guess.

No one is going to say they want to yeet it because they might be killed for it.

Eww

This does not feel like real thoughts about LLD's role

[Lukewarm]

I specifically got wagoned for thinking Pooky was scum lol

Which he was

Who just happened to be beloved princess

Then when I tried to kick and scream about killing Annie I still died

(:

Those are not the reasons I personally thought you were scum. but I guess I can't speak for everyone else

[Lukewarm]

I am getting town vibes from both sides of the cabd lld hood that I read even though I was not invited

[Lukewarm]

I want Toog to full claim and not this half claim garbage, or die.

Well then die it is. My full claim on Day 1, 18 hours in is more damaging to my game. Sorry, not sorry.

Claiming is more damaging to your game then dying unclaimed?

[Lukewarm]

I'm struggling with this manatee claim the more I look at it.

The initial claim is that it kills a random townie if it's not on the Lim wagon.

Then it's clarified that it kills the person it's on if they aren't the Lim wagon.

Then it's further clarified that it's once again a random player if the vote isn't placed at all.

I feel like that is a lot of edits for one, but I'm really struggling with the random aspect of it. Is it random townie, or can scum be in the pool? Does this seem like a role that should have an actual random modifier to it? Does this seem like a role that would be more than 1-shot in a 13 player game?

I think I'm still at L-2, so why hasn't there been any discussion on where to direct this shot considering how hard LLD has been pushing to have me ran through?

I'm surprised at how little discussion has been had on this, and if the role exists it seems like a role very susceptible to scum influence.

I do not like this post :/

I don't think this is even an accurate recounting of the edits to the claim...

She did originally claim double voter, if on wagon gets vig shot, and random shot if off wagon.

And then came back and said she was gonna full claim and did. There was only 1 edit that I see?

"it seems like a role very susceptible to scum influence" Also rubs me the wrong way. How is it more susceptible to scum influence then a vig, when as claimed she has to target it out in the open?

I feel like her claim gets her night killed every time - and is also a death sentence for scum to claim, because if extra people don't die, we kill her AND even if the scum team did have a double kill mechanic (or she is 3p) can never endgame with this claim

[Lukewarm]

I'm surprised at how little discussion has been had on this, and if the role exists it seems like a role very susceptible to scum influence.

Scum influence and not actually belonging to scum?

It feels like you spent most of the post saying Manatee was scummy and then pivoted into this

Dunn is on it this game lol

[Lukewarm]

Then on your reread of the post, you'll notice I talked almost exclusively about the role and the lack of discussion surrounding it's mechanics as we approach end of day.

BTW, I don't know why you have this giant mancrush on me spanning multiple games, but I'm married.

Except half that post was pointing out the changes in the claimed role?

Was that not supposed to indicate that you were not trusting the claim? And would that not imply she was scum?

-----

So far Toog and dgb are my top scum reads, but I don't think that they make sense as partners because dgb came out and explicitly townread toog not long ago. Might go back and find it

[Lukewarm]

That's just how games are now Toog

Geriatric style would be nice but mod doesn't agree so I'm gonna keep it rolling

What is geriatric style? I feel I should be the designated trendsetter for this.

Geriatric_Ruleset

I like it!

In other news I'm content townreading Toogeloo, I see nothing that concerns me.

This one

[Lukewarm]

That's just how games are now Toog

Geriatric style would be nice but mod doesn't agree so I'm gonna keep it rolling

What is geriatric style? I feel I should be the designated trendsetter for this.

Geriatric_Ruleset

I like it!

In other news I'm content townreading Toogeloo, I see nothing that concerns me.

This one

Which also, why does "I see nothing that concerns me" = a town read, instead of like. A null read?

DGB what are your reasons for this town read?

[Lukewarm]

I'm struggling with this manatee claim the more I look at it.

The initial claim is that it kills a random townie if it's not on the Lim wagon.

Then it's clarified that it kills the person it's on if they aren't the Lim wagon.

Then it's further clarified that it's once again a random player if the vote isn't placed at all.

That bugged me too.

I don't know why people are bothered about Manatee's role still.

Maybe it's

ALL THE LIES

Again, they are both taking a stance that feels bad, but also I don't think they would be this blatantly buddying / agreeing with one another if they are partnered.

[Lukewarm]

Cabd is being hush but whatver

If I were a dayvig with one shot, I'd probably have hipshot unwnd for the two-post reaction format to the dayguilty thing.

but this game is going to be won on consensus building and there's no "easy" three man scumteam. I don't want the Annie or Cephtd of this game getting away from me while I'm alive.

Shot lukewarm not unwnd

idk, it feels like your expectations for that, and my reaction to the kate vote on me are weird?

Like, I was hundreds of posts behind, and was (and still am) more focused on reading those posts. I just kind of briefly refreshed the current thread to see if anyone had asked me a question.

And I saw one. My gut reaction was "that never happened" so that was my response.

My second thought was "huh.. would unwnd fake a day guilty on met since we had a little scuffle earlier, and then I dipped the thread for like 36 hours?" and yeah, I kind of think that he might have to try and see how I would respond / if it would have gotten me to start posting again. Like checking to see if I was really gone or if I was lurking. --- which lead to the thought that if he did that, he is probably still town. So posted that too

[Lukewarm]

I am on page 32, and Wheme is just giving me a lot of the same vibes I got in the multiball game, and I town read him pretty hard that game, but then he turned out to be a traitor :/

[Lukewarm]

I'm fine with co-signing Dunn's plan

[Lukewarm]

Heads up, please. DGB is not using "she" pronouns. DGB is using "it" pronouns.

It matters!

I am finally back to the point where I first started posting again, and I just saw this :/

I am sorry DGB, I missed that. I will try to do better

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler: this is like mainly questions i have, sorry its like alot LMAO

Also, notsci is townreading wheme. Nothing else particularly grates about your reads list aside from the obvious.

did you ever explain this?

Kinda sus that GiF put me at L-2 and didn't post a heads-up.

does anything about this change now that you know the mod missed a vote and guyinfreezer didn't know about it..?

Which from my pov, felt wrong. I have played more games with Marci then anyone else on site (except T3 lol), and I generally start out talking directly with her in every game that we play in (as both alignments). And if felt extra weird, because I specifically talked her into playing this game with us, and she clearly immediately got the joke I was making, and played along in post 19

So it kind of felt like she got put on the spot by unwnd, and just needed something to say, and drew that out of a hat to be suspicious of vs a concern that she actually had.

i did have an actual concern about you though, i know im fairly easy to buddy so im so scared of that.

I mostly just been skimming through the day though and mostly just trying to focus on responding to people aiming things at me.

why r u so focused on how you appear to others toogeloo?

MG paying close attention to the game to OCD-pagetop but avoiding content.

i like this observation from drippinggoofball ^.^ feels townie.

I think DGB's vote is bad because DGB is a player whom I think knows way better than to vote Manatee for doing that kind of schtick, and would have jumped all over Toog for his claim. I just think DGB is super out of character here and in ways that support a possible scummy agenda.

drippinggoofballs play doesnt really feel like how i've seen drippinggoofball when they subbed into a scumslot so i dont agree with you here.

It seems like this Toog thing is real for some reason though so I guess I'll have to look at that,

as well as Cabd/Luke/Marci. There's something there too I think.

what makes u think theres something here?

I think Dunn is town, got a good vibe from an early post,

which post did u like?

607 idk which one of you posted that kate bishop, but can u explain how toogeloos play in that game you linked doesn't look like his play here..?

Toog are you able to explain how you're confirmable without claiming more than you'd like to at this point? If so that'd be

100

I gave some thought on this and decided that I shouldn't have even claimed I had a confirmable role. I'm going to not claim anything extra in regards to my role, and that some players just want blood early and will twist any statement to fill a narrative in their head. The only thing that might save me is my full claim, but I'm not giving it because if people can't realize they snap judged a comment or really think I'm so big a threat they want me out Day 1, then I'm not going to hinge survival on the role claim. In my opinion I've done nothing scummy, but obviously people see things differently. I'd rather just be eliminated in silence and hope town can win without my role.

im not sure what to think about this..

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yeah i feel like drippinggoofball is town here, i dont have any other townreads im as confident in.. maybe dunnstral, but on a lesser level..? i like his posting.
i feel better about unwnd than i did before, i think hes just generally being helpful and trying to move us towards a good gamestate ^.^

im not really too confident in any scumreads rn, im not sure how whemestar acts usually, but he stood out to me a tiny bit.
i do feel like toogeloo is a bit too focused on themselves, but with their more recent posts the feeling is a bit better. its not completely gone tho.
i dont rlly like lukes reasons for being worried about me.

wheres the votes rn i dont wanna by accident hammer again

This comes from scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Wheme, what about this makes you say that it is coming from scum?

Also, have you played with Marci before?

[Lukewarm]

Okay. I am officially caught up!

With a single read through, I am at

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

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(Manatee left off intentionally.)

Because someone else mentioned me leaning scum on her before, Marci is back to null mainly because both Kate and Cabd are so hard town reading her, I feel like I am missing something and want to look at her against when doing isos.

[Lukewarm]

I am curious where the really strong town reads on Marci are coming from.

@Cabd / Kate have read through Marci's more recent scum game, or are you comparing her specifically to tarot?

Marci and I actually haven't been the same alignment in a while. Our last game together, I was scum, and then both of the games before that she was.

[Lukewarm]

Luke this is one of those things where you should really just drop it because it's going to fix itself later.

Okay...

I was mainly asking because I was getting ready to iso her, and was gonna see if I saw what you saw.

My scum reads on DGB and on Toog are both stronger anyways, so I was not interested in killing her any time soon. I am not even sure I ever want to kill her? My initial suspicion was mostly for a single post really early on, and her newer stuff did not really stand out all that much. Although, I feel like she has been somewhat absent.

[Lukewarm]

Notty, do you have any thoughts on Toog refusing to claim?

[Lukewarm]

nvm with 1129

[Lukewarm]

@Marci

Come talk to us!

[Lukewarm]

Oh if manatees not a third party I’d place my bets on traitor thaaaaaaaanks

Traitor with that role?

Or traitor fake claiming a role that will be disproven at the end of Day 1?

[Lukewarm]

Uhh...

I think that a scum team that gets 2 kills a day is way more broken then town getting a vig....

[Lukewarm]

I actually hate that theory tbh.

Because 1, it is broken as hell.

and 2, she never would have claimed it? Like, that role as claimed on a traitor would just never use the second vote, and let the "kill a random townie" part activate every day

[Lukewarm]

Uhh...

I think that a scum team that gets 2 kills a day is way more broken then town getting a vig....

You mean like scum giving 2 shards and a corruptor?

No. Not at all. Because that is from a alt win con that the mod did not think the scum team would even go for.

Where as "killing townies" is the default way mafia plays, so the mod would automatically know how strong giving them unlimited double kills is

[Lukewarm]

I am actually leaning somewhat towards that claim being a town claim tbh.

I don't think it is ever a fake claim, because it is so easily disprovable. She uses hurt tags, we see if that person dies.

I don't think the scum team would ever be given 2 kills per day? And even if they were, they can't claim it because that role will never be allowed to live to Elo.

And as a 3rd party, there also does not seem to be a reason to claim it? Just claim to be a double voter, and double vote on the main wagon.

If manatee was double voting the elim, and some other random person died, I don't think that it would ever be tied to them, and coasting on a double voter claim seems like the plan for either scum or 3p manatee

[Lukewarm]

Toog, do you have any scum reads yet?

Also, what are your thoughts on BGB

[Lukewarm]

Me?

[Lukewarm]

[quote="In post 1163, marcistar"

I am on page 32, and Wheme is just giving me a lot of the same vibes I got in the multiball game, and I town read him pretty hard that game, but then he turned out to be a traitor :/

can u explain this more..?[/quote]

In that game he was super chill, pretty meme-y with his posts, and just looked like he was there for a good time, and also VERY gungho on blindly sheeping Morph. Which, I read as town that game.

But at the end of the game, he turned out to be a 3rd party Malefactor. Which, contrary to him denying it earlier, it was just a glorified Traitor that could win with either scum team (it was a multiball game)

[Lukewarm]

oop broke the quote

[Lukewarm]

I am on page 32, and Wheme is just giving me a lot of the same vibes I got in the multiball game, and I town read him pretty hard that game, but then he turned out to be a traitor :/

can u explain this more..?

In that game he was super chill, pretty meme-y with his posts, and just looked like he was there for a good time, and also VERY gungho on blindly sheeping Morph. Which, I read as town that game.

But at the end of the game, he turned out to be a 3rd party Malefactor. Which, contrary to him denying it earlier, it was just a glorified Traitor that could win with either scum team (it was a multiball game)

[Lukewarm]

i think i read someone say drippinggoofball x toogeloo..? i don't think that team would be possible tbh, i kinda townread drippinggoofball, but i feel like toogeloo could be possible.

I am scum reading them both, but I also agree that they don't really look like partners to me. Which is :/

[Lukewarm]

Remember when you alt slipped in glorious anonymous hydra we had with you me and Varsoon?
That was probably the worst alt slip you've ever done.

I find it hard to believe it was worse then the FGO alt slip, that caused him to be force replaced because it was an anon game

[Lukewarm]

Marci, why are you town reading dgb?

[Lukewarm]

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me. His reads look like fully the same as the consensus as well, but there was something else I saw that pinged me about someone else and I'm having a hard time remembering with all the pages I just read. I know I didnt like anything I saw from wheme either.

Basically it felt like there has to be scum in the TRs because otherwise we're correct about who scum is and Luke is content to just die and scumread his buddies. So something seems wrong.

I don't like that the entire premise of this post requires me to be scum :/

[Lukewarm]

Like, that felt like it basically boiled down to : "we must be wrong on the consensus town reads, because Luke did not come out swinging to break up the town block"

[Lukewarm]

Also, I don't think that DGB being a scum read was actually consensus before I started catching up.

Like I think LLD was the only one who mentioned scum reading them before me.

And yeah, it feels a bit consensus now, but that is because cabd and unwnd both voiced scum reads there after I did...

[Lukewarm]

Unwnd, I think you misread my post.

[Lukewarm]

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

...
whys kate on null tier? don't they have alot of content for u to judge on? -.-

Mainly that I have conflicting thoughts on the slot.

Like, ffery doing that metadive and reading that Toog game makes me want to town read them for effort.

But on the other hand, they are really loudly pointing in my direction and say that I should die, so

And not just that they are scum reading me, but that I really can't even get a grasp on why? It appeared to be because of when I first came back into the game, my response to their "unwnd day cop guiltied you" was weak I guess, but that suddenly made me their number 1 kill choice, but they also have not really had any interaction with anything else I have said sense I came back.

It kind of feels like they are trying to shift the focus away from their partner :/

[Lukewarm]

Manatee, why do you town read me so strongly?

[Lukewarm]

And not just that they are scum reading me, but that I really can't even get a grasp on why? It appeared to be because of when I first came back into the game, my response to their "unwnd day cop guiltied you" was weak I guess, but that suddenly made me their number 1 kill choice, but they also have not really had any interaction with anything else I have said sense I came back.

It kind of feels like they are trying to shift the focus away from their partner :/

ah hmm
who do u feel like is their partner in this case..? i dont really see it.

when i read through i didnt really see you try to work this out to understand them more, did i by accident skim over it or did u actually never do it..?

If I am right, then it is either Toog or DGB. But I am not sure which. Again. Conflicting thoughts.

Manatee kills toog and we kill Luke e z p z

This kind of looks like it would be dgb. But, I also know that manatee already said they were pretty set on killing DGB. Which, if they push "manatee on toog" and "votes on Luke" I can see a path to transition to "vote out luke anyways" after manatee targets dgb.

But again. I left them at null on my original list, because I wanted to do an iso dive on them before I really reached into it further. All 3 of my null reads were my priority isos.

And looking at how they read me prior to my day off was one thing I wanted to look at. The other was their stances on both toog and dgb. I seem to remember them trying to transition us away from the toog wagon early on toward kyouko.

[Lukewarm]

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

...
whys kate on null tier? don't they have alot of content for u to judge on? -.-

Mainly that I have conflicting thoughts on the slot.

Like, ffery doing that metadive and reading that Toog game makes me want to town read them for effort.

But on the other hand, they are really loudly pointing in my direction and say that I should die, so

And not just that they are scum reading me, but that I really can't even get a grasp on why? It appeared to be because of when I first came back into the game, my response to their "unwnd day cop guiltied you" was weak I guess, but that suddenly made me their number 1 kill choice, but they also have not really had any interaction with anything else I have said sense I came back.

It kind of feels like they are trying to shift the focus away from their partner :/

We weren't townreading you before. Look at our readslist from a couple days ago.

You know, you haven't attempted to reach out to me, and that has been a feature of your towngame in one form or another lately when we've played together. Ceph's game being in the "or another" format. Before today, it was mostly me having issues. notsci saw your early play in Bloodstained differently because he knew you were town, so the stuff I thought could be scum indicators didn't bother him at all.

Anyway, you are correct that those two posts drew our vote. It's not just that they are weak, though they are. If somebody had played the daycop guilty card on us when coming back to the thread after a day, that's not how we would have reacted at all. How we would react would depend on the player list, and this list is filled with players who treat whoopie cushions as subtle humor.

But, forget familiarity. It still didn't feel like a town reaction. And there was an 8 minute pause between notsci's post and your first reply. That was enough time to try and find out what was going on rather than just react, secure in the knowledge of your role PM.

Well, wrt to that daycop, I don't know what else to tell you other then my first thought was "that didn't happen" because I know I am town, and I also think unwnd is town.

And then my second thought was "I can picture unwnd faking it to see if I would react".

The reason it was 2 separate posts was because you were getting my immediate thoughts, as I had them. I did not see notty's post right away.

----

As for reaching out, I think that you will remember that I did not reach out to you in bork's game until after I had a town read on you. Well, I haven't gotten one on you yet this game, so...

[Lukewarm]

Luke can you explain your read on me?

You feel a lot like you felt in bork's game, and I have found myself agreeing with basically every post you have made. About basically everything.

At one point I responded to a post, and then immediately after I saw you say basically the same thing. From my pov, it was kind of like you had read my mind, although it was during my catch up, so you obviously made the post long before me. But it feels like we are thinking about the game in the same way.

[Lukewarm]

Gif, I saw your post, and wanted to respond, but I also have a hanging question for Toog.

Want to try and talk to him before I answer. (and my answer may change post convo for all I know!)

[Lukewarm]

As for reaching out, I think that you will remember that I did not reach out to you in bork's game until after I had a town read on you. Well, I haven't gotten one on you yet this game, so...

And you think you can form a decent read of me without interacting?

I tend to give you space after ceph's game, but as marci said, there's a ton of data in our iso to think about.

Also, if you ever townread me on the basis of posting an effortful looking meta dive write-up, you'll be making a mistake.

If anything I put more effort into writing up meta dives as scum than as town, because there's what I found, and there's how I want it to be interpreted.

The publicly available evidence of my dive right now is anything but effortful looking. I'm intentionally holding back most of my observations because I want to see if anyone independently makes some of the observations that I did.

Is there something you wanted to talk to me about?

I have been a bit weary of you because my read on you has not been the strongest.

and because I have not always been sure whether you or notty or both were on, and I would interact with the two of you quiet differently

.

And to be frank, I have felt kind of the same way about you guys. That you guys apparently reached having me as your strongest scum read without interacting with me at all seemed weird. Like, I made almost 50 posts today after you guys asked about that fake guilty, and neither one of you responded or interacted with any of them (until now I guess)

[Lukewarm]

Okay. I am officially caught up!

With a single read through, I am at

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

------

(Manatee left off intentionally.)

Because someone else mentioned me leaning scum on her before, Marci is back to null mainly because both Kate and Cabd are so hard town reading her, I feel like I am missing something and want to look at her against when doing isos.

This is the list I was referring to. What strikes me about it is that I'm TRing everyone he TRs. He has Toog and Marci way lower than I do, but the rest of his SRs/null are low enough that it feels like if he is scum then some of my TRs are wrong.

I'm looking at something close to my own readslist here which is concerning me. I feel like Luke's catchup just now matches the style of catchup that he's said he does in the past (I think in Crono Trigger he said this). Where he says he reads ahead and posts things that will get him to where he wants to be rather than catching up and posting as he catches up. So the focus on DGB during his catchup really stands out

Like Dunn said, why would you not consider you and I having similar reads could possibly mean that we could just share the same alignment?

Also, I can go back and find the posts if you need me too, but I think that I said I scum read dgb before other people like unwnd and cabd did. So it is actually impossible that I started with the goal of joining that as a consensus read....

As for the catch up, I am not 100% sure I know what you are meaning here? You are correct that as scum, I don't like to walk into a thread blind, and will always check the scum chat / skim through before I start posting. But that did not happen here? Do you think that my catch up posts seem informed? Is it just because I posted a lot about DGB?

(Also, in Chrono Trigger, I think that I was mainly talking about the fact that I never would have been surprised to see Robert's fake claim if he was my scum buddy, because I would have found out about it before I posted)

[Lukewarm]

Is there something you wanted to talk to me about?

[Lukewarm]

Well, wrt to that daycop, I don't know what else to tell you other then my first thought was "that didn't happen" because I know I am town, and I also think unwnd is town.

And then my second thought was "I can picture unwnd faking it to see if I would react".

The reason it was 2 separate posts was because you were getting my immediate thoughts, as I had them. I did not see notty's post right away.

why didnt u dive deeper into trying to figure out kate bishops intentions after the "unwnd daycopped you" thing happened..?
it looked like you were more concerned about defending yourself than drawing anything from it.

idk, but i think someone with townie intentions would use an event like this as momentum. so it seems a bit weird now that im thinking about this.

It seems like you have stronger feelings about Kate saying unwnd day copped me then I did.

It did not seem like a particularly scummy or townie question, why do you think I should have dug deeper into it?

Also, I don't think I was particualrly focused on defending myself?? Like, if anything I was more focused on doing my 300+ post catch up...

[Lukewarm]

Marci, you are like setting up this scenario of what you think I should have done, and to be frank. I don't understand why you think I should have done what you think I should have done. (and this is a combo of a couple questions you had for me, starting with asking why Kate was null)

I checked in, I had 300+ posts to read. My number 1 focus was reading those. Then I was also in the background mildly responding to things being said in real time.

In my catch up, the Kate was not the most interesting thing happening, so they were not who I was talking about. I was talking about my town reads on Dunn, lld, and cabd forming. I was talking about my scum reads on DGB and Toog.

And when I was fully caught up, Kate landed squarely in the "I need to look closer at them" category of my reads.

but god knows I was not doing isos today, after doing that catch up. I have just been around doing real time chatting.

It feels like you expected me to already be 100% caught up and ready to engage with Kate, when that is just not where I was.

---

That most recent post from you give me scummy vibes, but cabd kinda told me to drop it, so I am talking to you like you are town today.

[Lukewarm]

Marci, you are like setting up this scenario of what you think I should have done, and to be frank. I don't understand why you think I should have done what you think I should have done. (and this is a combo of a couple questions you had for me, starting with asking why Kate was null)

I checked in, I had 300+ posts to read. My number 1 focus was reading those. Then I was also in the background mildly responding to things being said in real time.

In my catch up, the Kate was not the most interesting thing happening, so they were not who I was talking about. I was talking about my town reads on Dunn, lld, and cabd forming. I was talking about my scum reads on DGB and Toog.

And when I was fully caught up, Kate landed squarely in the "I need to look closer at them" category of my reads.

but god knows I was not doing isos today, after doing that catch up. I have just been around doing real time chatting.

It feels like you expected me to already be 100% caught up and ready to engage with Kate, when that is just not where I was.

---

That most recent post from you give me scummy vibes, but cabd kinda told me to drop it, so I am talking to you like you are town today.

For reference, my catch up from post two and a half 891 to post 1099 took two and a half straight dedicated hours to do. And you are now asking, why I wasn't also at the same time digging deep into grilling Kate (who is not even one of my strong scum reads) and to be real with you, that is a silly expectation for you to have had for me.

[Lukewarm]

@Dunn

Luke can you explain your read on me?

You feel a lot like you felt in bork's game, and I have found myself agreeing with basically every post you have made. About basically everything.

At one point I responded to a post, and then immediately after I saw you say basically the same thing. From my pov, it was kind of like you had read my mind, although it was during my catch up, so you obviously made the post long before me. But it feels like we are thinking about the game in the same way.

[Lukewarm]

my posting was shortly interrupted by dinner.

We have to prioritize, and one of the things I wanted to be sure occurred before this day ends has been my top priority. Fortunately, I think it's wrapped up for now, so.

You, ssbm and wheme, with a long side-eye at manatee have come more to the fore now.

It's not so much that I want to ask you stuff, at least not until I read your catchup stuff more closely. That's my excuse.

What's yours?

This is like, a very aggressive stance that feels out of place in all of our interations in all of our games... Even when you were scum reading me in Bloodstained...

What's my excuse? For not interacting with you a ton yet?

Like, I already answered this... And I can add something similar to yours. I had other priorities. Like my catch up. And voicing my stronger reads. And then when that was done, I started trying to reevaluate and reach out to Marci.

It feels

wild

for you to come in out with this post, demanding an excuse as to why I was not interacting with exactly you, especially since I very much am/was in the middle of trying to start a dialogue with you

[Lukewarm]

~Should I just join the mass claiming now? It might give unwnd a headache for the amount of effort he put towards it earlier~

[Lukewarm]

Marci, you are like setting up this scenario of what you think I should have done, and to be frank. I don't understand why you think I should have done what you think I should have done. (and this is a combo of a couple questions you had for me, starting with asking why Kate was null)

from what ive seen when someone faked smthn about invests before on a townie, the townie got more like.. motivated to go after someone, since they think somebodies lied.
im concerned why you didn't get that same motivation i usually see.

"wouldn't you be concerned if you knew your town, and somebodies saying you came up as guilty?" tis my thought process.

i did not expect u to be caught up,
i expected u to be more concerned here about motivations. (whether its kate bishops, or unwnds)

Like I said at the time, my gut reaction was that it never happened, and that notty was just trying to see how I would respond.

My second thought was that maybe unwnd really did fake it because he was suspicious of me earlier, also to see how I would respond.

Like, I have already said these things?

I guess I am just not sure what you are talking about.

Spoiler:

unwnd claimed a daycop guilty on you. Thoughts?

I think that never happened lol

If it did, then I assume its a gambit, because I had unwnd pegged for town before I left

My gut reaction was "that never happened" so that was my response.

My second thought was "huh.. would unwnd fake a day guilty on met since we had a little scuffle earlier, and then I dipped the thread for like 36 hours?" and yeah, I kind of think that he might have to try and see how I would respond / if it would have gotten me to start posting again. Like checking to see if I was really gone or if I was lurking. --- which lead to the thought that if he did that, he is probably still town. So posted that too

Do you think that I should have immediately scum read notty for it? Or immediately scum read unwnd? Like, what do you mean?

I feel like you are trying to draw a parallel to our last newbie game, where T3 faked a guilty on me, and I assumed that made him scum... but like, this is a very different situation...

For starters, I never saw someone claim to have a result on me. I saw one person say that someone else had a result. And a day result at that. So yeah, my first thought went to "notty is bullshitting right now"

Instead of "I am not going to let someone get away with faking a guilty because that is actually some bullshit"

[Lukewarm]

I feel like you are trying to draw a parallel to our last newbie game, where T3 faked a guilty on me, and I assumed that made him scum... but like, this is a very different situation...

For starters, I never saw someone claim to have a result on me. I saw one person say that someone else had a result. And a day result at that. So yeah, my first thought went to "notty is bullshitting right now"

Instead of "I am not going to let someone get away with faking a guilty because that is actually some bullshit"

And like, to really highlight the difference. T3 basically said "I am hard claiming an investigative role with a guilty on Lukewarm, everyone vote Luke warm with me"

And notty basically said "someone else has claimed a daycop guilty on you. how does that make you feel?"

So, like. I hope you can see why my reactions would be different.

[Lukewarm]

Do you think that I should have immediately scum read notty for it? Or immediately scum read unwnd? Like, what do you mean?

not like, have a read but i was expecting a
"hold up sumn aint right let me try to see what their intentions are"

I feel like I am talking at you, and you are not hearing me....

Those were my initial thoughts???

Like, my first thought was "that never happened" and "notty is bullshitting right now" -- which, I don't think needs any more digging then that? he just wanted to see me respond to it. And it could not be too serious, because he said it knowing that I was getting ready to read the thread and see that it never actually happened...

And then my second thought was "wait, maybe unwnd did say that" and then "why would he say that?" which my answer was that he had scum read me earlier, and then I dipped for a while. So maybe he was lurk testing me.

Yes, my brain ran through those questions, but both lines of thought ended with "I don't really need to dig into this" and "I can go back to catching up" and "

maybe

I will need to actually address it if I do reach a point where unwnd really did claim this" (and, by the way, I never saw that in my catch up.

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

Just like random thing, because it got mentioned again, and I realized that this part I can say without actually saying anything that mattered mech wise.

ff

s @ my role

Final Fantasys. FFs. I love the final fantasy games, with ff9 being my favorite game of all time. My avatar is even a character of ff9.

I originally wanted to pick characters from Inuyasha, because it was the only isekai anime I had ever seen before, but apparently it is not technically an isekai, and so my picks were not accepted.

So then, I looked at a random ass list of Isekai animes, because my picks were going to have to come from an anime that I had never seen before because apparently I have never seen an isekai before. And low and behold, there is a Final Fantasy Isekai that I had never heard of before. So I figured if I was gonna have to pick an isekai I had never seen before, maybe I could at least end up being final fantasy themed.

So part of that crumb included a reference to my flavor origin. FFs. Final Fantasys

I thought that was actually really clever when I came up with it :/

[Lukewarm]

Anyways, I am off to bed.

Good night all

[Lukewarm]

Well. I laid in bed for like 30 mins and did not fall asleep, so now I am on my phone. Hi again

[Lukewarm]

Toog, do you have any scum reads yet?

[Lukewarm]

Dang I now feel bad because I feel like there are hella amount of neg utility thrown in to justify balance for my role.

Gif, what part of your "I self yeet" role led you to say this?

[Lukewarm]

Toog, what about your role made you decide to claim a confirmable role earlier?

That does not seem particularly confirmable...

[Lukewarm]

Toog, do you have any scum reads yet?

Too early for strong scum reads. I need flips, but people I dislike most are Wheme, cabd, Luke, and LLD, in that order. Go figure.

Go figure?

[Lukewarm]

Neighborize is one of the easiest abilities to unlock. Cop is one of the hardest.

This wording in confusing based on what you have claimed so far

[Lukewarm]

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me. His reads look like fully the same as the consensus as well, but there was something else I saw that pinged me about someone else and I'm having a hard time remembering with all the pages I just read. I know I didnt like anything I saw from wheme either.

Basically it felt like there has to be scum in the TRs because otherwise we're correct about who scum is and Luke is content to just die and scumread his buddies. So something seems wrong.

I don't like that the entire premise of this post requires me to be scum :/

It doesn't, but I think I see how you got there.

Like, that felt like it basically boiled down to : "we must be wrong on the consensus town reads, because Luke did not come out swinging to break up the town block"

Reread the bottom section.

There has to be scum in the townreads,

otherwise

Luke is content to die scumreading his buddies. This post implies that your reads in this gamestate make the most sense as town, because why would you be content to die scumreading your buddies as scum?

Overall I'm still leaning scum on you. I was voicing that I'm having doubts about scum!Luke

I originally read this as you were questioning your town reads not that you were questioning you me read.

But maybe I can see that if I squint a little when I read you original post x.x

[Lukewarm]

Go figure?

Sarcasm, meant to convey, "Shocker!"

Yeah, I fucking got that, but why?

Were those reads supposed to be obvious?

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

Just like random thing, because it got mentioned again, and I realized that this part I can say without actually saying anything that mattered mech wise.

ff

s @ my role

Final Fantasys. FFs. I love the final fantasy games, with ff9 being my favorite game of all time. My avatar is even a character of ff9.

I originally wanted to pick characters from Inuyasha, because it was the only isekai anime I had ever seen before, but apparently it is not technically an isekai, and so my picks were not accepted.

So then, I looked at a random ass list of Isekai animes, because my picks were going to have to come from an anime that I had never seen before because apparently I have never seen an isekai before. And low and behold, there is a Final Fantasy Isekai that I had never heard of before. So I figured if I was gonna have to pick an isekai I had never seen before, maybe I could at least end up being final fantasy themed.

So part of that crumb included a reference to my flavor origin. FFs. Final Fantasys

I thought that was actually really clever when I came up with it :/

Final Fantasy isn't an isekai though, unless there is a spin-off

There is a random FF anime that is an isekei. FF:Unlimited I think? idk, it was on a list when I googled a list of isekei

[Lukewarm]

Were those reads supposed to be obvious?

Seem pretty obvious to me. Not entirely sure why you would think I'd say anyone else.

Maybe because this is the last time you mentioned anything about having scum reads

No strong scum reads, though I still am not a fan of the people passing their votes to LLD as their sword (specifically Wheme and cabd).

Where it looked like you actually said you did not have any real scum reads. And that was like 700 posts ago, and I was trying to see if you ever actually got any, or to see if your reads are growing or developing any as time goes on. Apparently that was dumb question to ask you, my bad /s

But okay. Lets run through your mentions of your top scum reads

Here is every single time you mentioned wheme before I asked:

Spoiler:

No strong scum reads, though I still am not a fan of the people passing their votes to LLD as their sword (specifically Wheme and cabd).

Wait, is that it? yep. just did a ctrl+f search of your iso. Only mention of him. How silly of me to now already know that he was your top scum read. Go figure, am I right?

Okay. How about Cabd? surely you made that scum read clear earlier right?

Well here is every single time you mentioned Wheme before I asked:

Spoiler:

No strong scum reads, though I still am not a fan of the people passing their votes to LLD as their sword (specifically Wheme and cabd).

Huh... You are right. Your top scum reads were VERY VERY obvious in your iso.

[Lukewarm]

(and yes, that did require me to get out of bed and grab my laptop to respond to...)

[Lukewarm]

Were those reads supposed to be obvious?

Seem pretty obvious to me. Not entirely sure why you would think I'd say anyone else.

Maybe because this is the last time you mentioned anything about having scum reads

No strong scum reads, though I still am not a fan of the people passing their votes to LLD as their sword (specifically Wheme and cabd).

Where it looked like you actually said you did not have any real scum reads. And that was like 700 posts ago, and I was trying to see if you ever actually got any, or to see if your reads are growing or developing any as time goes on. Apparently that was dumb question to ask you, my bad /s

But okay. Lets run through your mentions of your top scum reads

Here is every single time you mentioned wheme before I asked:

Spoiler:

No strong scum reads, though I still am not a fan of the people passing their votes to LLD as their sword (specifically Wheme and cabd).

Wait, is that it? yep. just did a ctrl+f search of your iso. Only mention of him. How silly of me to now already know that he was your top scum read. Go figure, am I right?

Okay. How about Cabd? surely you made that scum read clear earlier right?

Well here is every single time you mentioned Wheme before I asked:

Spoiler:

No strong scum reads, though I still am not a fan of the people passing their votes to LLD as their sword (specifically Wheme and cabd).

Huh... You are right. Your top scum reads were VERY VERY obvious in your iso.

Oh and how about me? I was not even mentioned in 640, so definitly you must have made that scum read clear after I was not listed on your reads list.

Let me check

Every mention of "Luke" from post 640-1322 when I asked for your reads.

Spoiler:

Wait... this can't be right?

Not a single one???

Wow Toog. You are right. Your scum reads WERE very obvious.

How silly of me to ask you a question this game

[Lukewarm]

Toog, do you have any scum reads yet?

Too early for strong scum reads. I need flips, but people I dislike most are Wheme, cabd, Luke, and LLD, in that order. Go figure.

Weird, it's like I said the exact same thing 700 posts ago.

And your reads have not adjusted in any way in 700 posts?

700 posts ago you said you did not have any strong scum reads, and now I reached out and specifically asked "do you have any of those yet, since you mentioned that you did not have them 700 posts ago?"

How could I ever think you would say anything different....

[Lukewarm]

In that case, what added me to the list?

[Lukewarm]

Unwnd, it feels like you just misunderstood manatee's posts

[Lukewarm]

In that case, what added me to the list?

Your vote.

If me voting you makes me scum, why was I not on your list in 640?

And also, why is dunn not on either list?

[Lukewarm]

It feels like you were arguing that manatee was scummy because she was not keeping her dgb read straight. And then quoted a post where she basically said "I am really sure that dgb is scum, so if you want me to kill wheme you are going to have to convince me" but that you were misreading as her saying that she was not sure about dgb.

[Lukewarm]

oh. She ninja'd me with sudden uncertainty

[Lukewarm]

In that case, what added me to the list?

Your vote.

If me voting you makes me scum, why was I not on your list in 640?

And also, why is dunn not on either list?

I feel like I need to talk to you like I talk to my kids at this point. I don't mind Dunn, they didn't act sheepishly.

And the 640 was specially calling out swords.

No 640 was specifically talking about your reads. Both town and scum (well lack of scum reads). I voted you in 257. That was not enough to scum read me in 640.

Now you are scum reading me and claiming to not have read anything in between.

And you said the reason I made that list was because I was voting you. That does not explain why I was not a scum read then, but I am now.

[Lukewarm]

Erm, convinced so soon?

What's your individual reason to not like Luke if I may ask

I wouldn't say convinced. It's more like an obvious conclusion based on my previous statements.

Luke vote on me is just opportunistic and more of a sheep vote.

I would not call my vote a sheep vote. I saw your post, and thought it was scummy, and voted you before I even got to the point that LLD voted you for it.

That post looked more like someone in a mind set of "don't let town blocks form" then someone who looked at her posts and decided if it was town or not.

Just to bring this back up.

I am not sheeping with my vote. I am voting Toog because I scum read him, regardless of other people's reads on him.

So if I am right, I am right, and if I am wrong, I am wrong. I am not hiding my vote behind someone elses read.

Toog was tied with DGB in my scum reads before. But he's winning now.

[Lukewarm]

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me.

In every single post, Lukewarm and Manatee keep up the refrain "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum"

Like propaganda, convincing by repetition. It's subliminal but it's highly effective.

Sorry, actually more focused on Toog atm. Try again later?

But seriously, what are your thoughts on LLD having you as a scum read? and Unwnd apparently sitting on a secret scum read of your for a while? or kyouko having you down as scum as well (double checked this after my convo with kyouko, they apparently did have you down as scum earlier then I realized)?

Or are you only interested in pointing out the people you think you can discredit?

[Lukewarm]

You know, for someone who has been out of the thread for over 12 hours and 600 posts, you sure did happen to land on the exact posts you needed to make a point just now huh?

[Lukewarm]

You know, for someone who has been out of the thread for over 12 hours and 600 posts, you sure did happen to land on the exact posts you needed to make a point just now huh?

Like, dgb. You made 831 at 12 pm est.

Than your next post is 1418 at 12:30 am. So 587 posts and 12.5 hours later.

And within 10 mins you were making a point that I was scum, using posts 1176 and 1239. Posts from hundreds of posts after your 831 and also hundreds of posts before your retunr in 1418.

So, have you been reading along but not making content? Or did you just catch up on all of those posts you missed, and those were the only ones you felt like weighing in on?

[Lukewarm]

You know, for someone who has been out of the thread for over 12 hours and 600 posts, you sure did happen to land on the exact posts you needed to make a point just now huh?

Like, dgb. You made 831 at 12 pm est.

Than your next post is 1418 at 12:30 am. So 587 posts and 12.5 hours later.

And within 10 mins you were making a point that I was scum, using posts 1176 and 1239. Posts from hundreds of posts after your 831 and also hundreds of posts before your retunr in 1418.

So, have you been reading along but not making content? Or did you just catch up on all of those posts you missed, and those were the only ones you felt like weighing in on?

Oh no.

Or are you only interested in pointing out the people you think you can discredit?

Yes. I am looking at people whose reads don't feel natural or sincere. Yours is the worst because I read it like a

conclusion in search of reasons

.

I find it strange that Kyouko's read is "secret" - I am catching up and I haven't gotten there yet.

I see it is the much stranger that you are in the middle of catching up, and just happened to land directly at the posts you needed to make your point. Good to know

[Lukewarm]

Jesus. Toog had just passed you as my strongest scum read, and then we landed on this

[Lukewarm]

Unwnd, you are saying that I am not sluthing, while referencing my sluthing...

Someone said something about my reentrance into the thread, but like. Look at DGB's

They have been gone for 600 posts, they come back to the thread immediately quoting posts form 400 posts after they left. So, did they not have anything to say at all about the 400 posts that happened in between those when they were catching up?

[Lukewarm]

But surely scum would kill manatee toNight

If I were scum I'd let her live forever.

Do scum not try to kill vigs? Or SK? either way from a scum perspective

[Lukewarm]

So, did they not have anything to say at all about the 400 posts that happened in between those when they were catching up?

So I'm scum because I didn't comment on anything on the first 8 pages of my catch up?

You literally just said that you thought that my catch up was agenda driven... And here you are saying that it should not be a surprise that your catch up skipped 400 posts, until it lined up with the point you re entered the thread trying to make?

[Lukewarm]

And here you are saying that it should not be a surprise that your catch up skipped 400 posts, until it lined up with the point you re entered the thread trying to make?

What????

Jesus Christ. I am going to bed. For real this time.

I like, really spelled my concern out in 1461 already. Your only responses to the 600 posts you missed were exactly the posts you needed to make a point, and you later said you were still mid catching up. I think the term you agreed with wrt me just a moment ago was "agenda driven" in your catch up...

[Lukewarm]

I trust in other people's ability to parse it out.

Good night all

[Lukewarm]

I tried to go read Yggdrasil to try and get a read on manatee because I SWEAR they were in that game and cabd caught them in the mason hood with the gods hydra. I can't find it anywhere and now im losing my mind going crazy

That was the Not Quite Normal Multiball game

[Lukewarm]

Last that was heard they wanted to use it to hammer and shoot somebody at night, but using it during the day seems better

Since you understand how it works, can you explain it to me?

If their second vote is on wagon, they gain a one-shot vigilante for that night
If their second vote is off wagon, that player dies at the end of the day along with the original elimination

If their second vote is on nobody, a random

town-aligned

player dies

Once they place their second vote, it can't be moved during that same day

That's how I understand it

She can decimate the town as we impotently watch.

That is not the line Dunn was talking about...

If their second vote is on wagon

, they gain a one-shot vigilante for that night

@Manatee, in this scenario, is the vig shot compulsive?

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm's head is stuck in a death tunnel against me.

Weren't you calling me scum earlier? I need to look back. I feel like I saw a post where you said it was me + manatee?

So, do you think I am scum trying to push the narrative, or do you think my head is stuck in a death tunnel?

[Lukewarm]

Maybe Lukewarm is assuming that I read everything at a steady pace and in chronological order? I don't. I read several times during the day on my cell and I rarely post because I'm usually on the go.

That latest spurt of scurrying for spurious grounds to declare me evil is so absurd that scum!Lukewarm would probably have stopped himself from making such flaky fakecase. The thought is making my brain burst out of its skull but I have to consider that he may be sincere in his delusions.

Ignore my last post. I appear to have missed this one from dgb

[Lukewarm]

All the "arguments" against me belong in a burning landfill. I am not reading the posts in proper order? Just kill me. Townies always read every post fully and in chronological order. Scum bounce back and forth! Geniuses.

Just gonna say that I HATE this post...

Because
1- That is not the basis of my point last night. and
2- Several people were scum reading them before that happened, and this post appears to frame it as "all the scum reads on me are bad, because of this is their basis" and the thing being pointed to is a thing that happened after people started scum reading them

[Lukewarm]

That is not the basis of my point last night. and

I am going to try and type up a fully coherent explanation for my thoughts last night, because I was definitely speed posting and heated at the same time

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

Okay. DGB has been gone for like 12 hours and 600 posts. When they comeback, they come in swinging with these two posts:

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me.

In every single post, Lukewarm and Manatee keep up the refrain "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum"

Like propaganda, convincing by repetition. It's subliminal but it's highly effective.

I was talking about my scum reads on DGB and Toog.

How convenient that these are LLD's reads, and LLD rarely switches directions. You can count on her pushing these reads until she gets her way.

If I were scum I'd support all her reads too.

Which first off, I don't think that it is very accurate, I have been talking about a lot of other slots, and even been saying that while I scum read both them and toog, I don't think they could be partners, and had started leaning away from dgb and towards toog being the scum in the pair, but that is completely besides the point.

But secondly, here they are agreeing with kyouko's interpretation of my catch up posts, which implies they read my catch up, right? (Or they are blindly agreeing without reading, which is bad...)

My catch up was 891 - 1099. So, They voiced an opinion on my posts ranging from 891 to 1099.

But then immediately after, they appear to say that they have missed the reveal of unwnds secret scum read which happened in 1030 (dgb 1446).


So from my pov, something aint right.

Did dgb read my posts from 891-1099? If they did, why are they later claiming to not have read other things that were said around that same time? Did their catch up start with an iso on me? Why? I was a fairly non-presence when they left the thread.

If they did not read my catch up posts, then what are they talking about when they are agreeing with Kyouko in post 1431?

Lets go with the idea that they started reading on a random page, and were agreeing with Kyouko's post 1176. What was I talking about leading up to that post?

Spoiler:

1134 - marci
1137 - manatee
1139 - kate / manatee
1141 - kate / manatee
1142 - cabd / kate / manatee
1148 - manatee
1149 - toog
1166 - wheme
1172 - toog and

dgb

1175 - Asking marci about town reading

dgb

[/spo/iler]

So in my 10 posts leading up to the kyouko post that dgb agrees with, I mention dgb twice. Once to say that I think either they or toog are scum, but not both. And once to ask someone to tell me why they were town reading dgb.

Now, lets look back at dgb's post:

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me.

In every single post, Lukewarm and Manatee keep up the refrain "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum"

Like propaganda, convincing by repetition. It's subliminal but it's highly effective.

I am trying to figure out when this is ever a real thought that dgb had about me, and it really does not make sense to me.

If they read the posts in question, then why did had they not read the other things?
If they started randomly near kyouko's post, what made them think this?

So I am left thinking that they were not caught up, and they had no reason to actually think it. But they agreed with kyouko anyways, which seems hella scummy.

....

I typed all of that up, and it feels like my line of thinking about Titus in bloodstained, so I don't think people are going to like it

I still think dgb is scummy, and I would say that the difference here, is that I have lots of other things that lead me to scum read dgb before this. Where Titus, she went from a null read to a lock scum read over just this kind of thing.

I think that the better reasons I have to be suspicious of dgb are things like this:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

and LLD says 235 is like a "mask off paranoia" (scum with their mask off?) that is posted to prevent the formation of a townblock.

~maybe~

But LLD is scumreading me and I'm town so, seeing her warped reasoning on me, I'm not about to sheep her on what could be equally warped reasoning on other players.

[/sp/oiler]

I am not really liking DGB. And I really don't like this post.

Why is she not just forming an opinion on Toog on her own? Like why wave away the Toog suspicions because LLD (from her pov) has 1 bad read on her?

And even "LLD has one bad read, and therefore all of her reads can be ignored" feels really bad anyways.

I am also unwure how DGB is reading LLD atm? Like, just earlier this page she said she thought LLD's claim was scummy, but this post seems to imply that LLD's reads are real, but bad?

This also ignores that Dunn and myself have also voiced concerns about Toog up to this point :/

idk. Weird post, that does not actually call either Toog or LLD scum or town

[spo/iler=]

I think manatee’s role has non-zero chance of being 3p.

That could be true for LLD as well, no?

It's anyone's guess.

No one is going to say they want to yeet it because they might be killed for it.

[/spoi/ler]


Eww

This does not feel like real thoughts about LLD's role

That's just how games are now Toog

Geriatric style would be nice but mod doesn't agree so I'm gonna keep it rolling

What is geriatric style? I feel I should be the designated trendsetter for this.

Geriatric_Ruleset

I like it!

In other news I'm content townreading Toogeloo, I see nothing that concerns me.

This one

Which also, why does "I see nothing that concerns me" = a town read, instead of like. A null read?

DGB what are your reasons for this town read?

[Lukewarm]

He said the first thing he unlocks is the neighborizor, and that would be confirmable.

So not confirmable now, but would be at some point in the future?

[Lukewarm]

Yeah, that. I was pretty close for doing it from memory

Lld, I was not agreeing with what he said. I was just trying to give you his answer when I asked him that same question

[Lukewarm]

hello Titus. You're here for real this time?

[Lukewarm]

LLD is also null

Wheme. This post broke my brain...

You have been sheeping Cabd/LLD.

Then claimed that cabd was a scum read, so I assumed your intent changed to sheeping LLD... but she is not a town read either?

[Lukewarm]

LLD is also null

So why are you sheeping LLD/Cabd?

If it ain’t broken don’t fix it

omg

wheme :/

[Lukewarm]

ohh. I have reached Toog's rep out :/

Toog, if you are still reading along, I'm sorry you feel this way. Prioritizing you is definitely more important then the game. I also want to let you know that I have really enjoyed out games together, you are a good presence on site.

Take care of yourself dude.

[Lukewarm]

I feel bad Titus is about to effort a doomed slot

[Lukewarm]

Me thinking about killing Titus day 1 again after Bloodstained

[Lukewarm]

yea i really do not want to have titus' death warrant signed and have her just wait around for the lim

Jesus Manatee....

Did you not think about the implications of this line of thought?

And like, that question holds through regardless of your alignment

[Lukewarm]

I see that manatee clarified that.

Wheme has been sinking in my reads, but there were a couple posts last night in his exchange with kate that looked good.

Hi Titus, have you been reading along? I know you accidentally posted once before rep in lol.

At the very least, I see you have an opinion on your own slots performance, do you have thoughts on other slots?

[Lukewarm]

@Titus, but not game related lol

Spoiler:

The last game you should have felt bad. I told you exactly what I was doing, exactly what scum would do, highlighted one of the scum and you still failed.

I do feel bad about that game, mostly because I never intended for you to did without a full claim, and I think that would have been enough for me to back off, but then suddenly you were dead, so

But at least for me, this did not really appeal to me at the time, because you were using the same logic to call me scum and I was town, so it did not really ring true in my brain

[Lukewarm]

And

what if Manatee is lying, and Toog doesn't die?

I don't want to saddle Titus into more days of a dying slot.

@Manatee. This was llds post just before yours.

yea

i really do not want to have titus' death warrant signed and have her just wait around for the lim

So, it looked like you were agreeing with lld that we should be considerate of the possibility that you were lying.

You later came back and said you don't wanna target someone until the day is gonna end, which somewhat fits with your post. But the immediate aggreance at the beginning of that post is weird

[Lukewarm]

NOT marci.

How do you townread a slot that isn't here lol

What's your Cabd read? If you won't give that a straight answer, then there's no point in asking me how I townread her.

If LLD is scum it goes way down

This is a strange take, I think?

Like, I think they are both town atm. But if one is scum, I am less sure why that would imply the other one was.

Their spoilers "neighborhood" convo would be a weird bit of theatre I think.

[Lukewarm]

NOT marci.

How do you townread a slot that isn't here lol

What's your Cabd read? If you won't give that a straight answer, then there's no point in asking me how I townread her.

If LLD is scum it goes way down

This is a strange take, I think?

Like, I think they are both town atm. But if one is scum, I am less sure why that would imply the other one was.

Their spoilers "neighborhood" convo would be a weird bit of theatre I think.

Have you forgotten Niamh(?)s entry into the Yggdrasil game and the convo she and neuterhalf had there?

No, I saw that, and even thought about it. But that was scum!lld talking to town!morph.

I am saying that it looked like it would be weird if they were both scum

[Lukewarm]

I have never looked at Tenet. But, I did think about Yggdrasil

Like, when it happened I

could

see that as scum!cabd buddying to town!lld.

and I

could

see scum!LLD taking advantage of a town!cabd's reach out.

(although, I have ended up town reading both, but I did consider those possibilities)

But the way it played out, with Cabd reaching out (and even saying that it could come across as buddying) and then LLD's response, the way it transitioned into spoiler tags, and then Cabd blatantly saying he would sheep LLD. Just over all, did not feel like it would be partner interactions.

[Lukewarm]

So, if one of them flips scum at some point this game, it would not line up with my reads, but what ever, that happens.

But if they are both scum, I would be blown away tbh

[Lukewarm]

I am on my phone, so it's hard to look back. But I think that the dreaming god claim does not really fit with the way you have softed leading up to this

Is everyone showing up to bullshit a bit about their roles ?

[Lukewarm]

Phone posting atm, but I can later

[Lukewarm]

Mainly talking about how everyone else was negative utility, and they were the only good role. But then with the claim, they apparently does not have any idea what they do.

And then a separate time saying that once they flipped, we would really regret killing someone with their role. Which again, with the claim we would not have anything to actually be sad that we lost, since we would not know what they could do

[Lukewarm]

I mean, I have 2 strong scum reads, and 2/3 weakones. And I have dug into like 4 of those, so I don't really know what you are talking about

If you mean, like this very moment, I did not say that your presentation of your role was scummy. Just seemed weird. And I too am out of the house, and just checked in to phone post briefly. Hard to really dig in that way

[Lukewarm]

I mean, I have 2 strong scum reads, and 2/3 weakones. And I have dug into like 4 of those, so I don't really know what you are talking about

If you mean, like this very moment, I did not say that your presentation of your role was scummy. Just seemed weird. And I too am out of the house, and just checked in to phone post briefly. Hard to really dig in that way

Your two strong scum reads are what LLD says, right? Me and ToogTitus? Who are the 2/3 weak scum reads that I missed?

Even though my strong scum reads are aligned with lld, doesn't mean I haven't been scum hunting. Like I have pressed both you and Toog pretty hard on my own to end up with my reads...

The other 3 are wheme, Marci, and Kate.

I have been asked to table the Marci read for the day, so, yeah...
And Kate has been fluctuating between a scum lean and null. They are currently on a but of an up swing. Hense my 2 or 3, instead of just saying 3

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm, what are your thoughts on Kyouko?

Leaning town. But not one of my strongest reads this game

[Lukewarm]

Luke’s just worried this is all bloodstained 2.0

I am not sure what this is referring to about that game?

[Lukewarm]

UNVOTE:

[Lukewarm]

Luke, anything you want to discuss?

I've been out of the house most of the day, so I feel like I'm missing stuff from today, so I don't know atm.

At one point people were talking a lot about kyouko. What are your thoughts there?

Also, who is your top target for the vote out? Still wheme?

[Lukewarm]

Luke, anything you want to discuss?

I've been out of the house most of the day, so I feel like I'm missing stuff from today, so I don't know atm.

At one point people were talking a lot about kyouko. What are your thoughts there?

Also, who is your top target for the vote out? Still wheme?

notsci's first DM to me after manatee's vote was "Now let’s kill wheme", so currently, yes.

Re kyouko, I've progressively liked her posts more over time, but I have concerns since DGB has pointed out she's been much more engaged than here in recent town games. Before I saw that, I was wondering if she tends to play in sort of catch mode and doesn't interact directly much with other players.

Given current state of sleep, I probably won't do any meta-ing until sometime tomorrow.

Have you played with her? If so, what do you think of DGB's take on her towngame?

I have played with kyouko twice. In our first game, I got scum read them pretty hard, like tunneled x.x , but then I died night 1

In our second game, I town read them, but then for some reason I still don't understand they were somewhat suddenly elimed day 1.

So I have had 2 games with them, both times we were both town, but neither game let us get past day 1 together. So I feel like I have less of a meta feel for her then I would expect after 2 games.

I kinda want to look back at those two games when I am back on my computer.

[Lukewarm]

That should say that I tunneled them day 1. I don't think it was clear as written lol

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm, what are your thoughts on Kyouko?

Leaning town. But not one of my strongest reads this game

WHY

I remember not liking their original entrance to the thread, but I have progressivly just liked their posts more over time.

Mainly vibes I guess lol.

I have not looked at that slot all that closely. I remember liking the way they thought about lld's role. I remember liking their posts when they said that me and Dunn misunderstood their posts about me vs the game state.

Not just because they were questioning a scum read on me when scum reading me was somewhat trendy, although that did help, but also just going with "you guys are not understanding me" and reexplaining it. It felt like they had a real thought about the game state and were trying to get me and him to understand.

And like, they could have instead either stuck with the scum read on me or using Dunn's post as a point to talk with Dunn and adjust their stances.

Idk, it felt real and not very agenda driven

[Lukewarm]

Titus. Do you have reads on other slots? That was a fair question lld imo

If you are town, drop you strongest town reads in addition to restating your scum read of lld

[Lukewarm]

I might be able to read everything, but I'm not really sure it would be worth my time. As always I am open to (and encourage) recommendations about particular sections to look at.

Big things I think are the claims. (A lot of those have happened for a day 1)

LLD: claimed that they can be brainwashed by the scum team to perform the night kill. So functionally a tracker/watcher miller, but said that she would come up town to a cop.

DGB: claimed to be a dreaming god.

GiF: claims that they remove themselves from the game night 1. Like, they gone for all intents and purposes for things like votes needed each day, but that they will come back at some unknown point.

Manatee: Claimed to be a double voted / vig combo. If their second vote is on wagon at the end of the day, they get a normal vig shot. If their second vote is off wagon at the end of the day, their vig automatically targets the person they voted. If the day ends before manatee uses their second vote on anyone at all, their vig shot kills a random townie.

Toog / Titus : claimed a Joat, that had to spend points to use their abilities, and that they gain points whenever a townie dies.

-----

Manatee has already placed their second vote on Titus, so they are functionally dead already

[Lukewarm]

The LLD explanation as a pseudo miller was an over simplification actually. Because yeah, they would come up badly on those (targeting the night kill) they also let the scum team be ninjas. She has also confirmed that if she is roleblocked, the night kill will be stopped as if you roleblocked the scum carrying out the kill. She also says that a watcher on her would not see a scum targeting her to make her do the night kill. It just happens.

[Lukewarm]

11. Death is final?

There have also been some discussions about the implication of the question mark on this rule.

[Lukewarm]

Also, hi!

[Lukewarm]

@DGB

How would you compare this player list to the player lists where you've played with town-kyouko?

I did a brief skim of my other 2 games with Kyouko. I would say that they were a much larger presence those games then they are in this one. So I can kinda see dgb's point.

This is a good point tho, and I would say that the player lists feel very different.

I also realized that in one of those games day 1 ended on page 27 and on the other day 1 ended on page 28, so very different games then this one x.x

Kyoko had about as many total posts this game as they had in the other two. So I could also see the difference being that she is just being drowned out more by the volume of other players posts this game?

[Lukewarm]

Ngl, I kinda want to vote Marci :/

If she is off the table, I guess wheme is fine

VOTE: wheme

[Lukewarm]

Ngl, I kinda want to vote Marci :/

If she is off the table, I guess wheme is fine

VOTE: wheme

How is your null-sorting going?

You guys are shifting town. Marci and wheme shifting scum.

And like, I have new things I don't like from Marci, but it feels like I have been told not to push it, and that feels pretty bad :/

[Lukewarm]

ehys everyone been salty lately..?

Like, this is marci's only post on Saturday. And it came right after someone called her out by name in 1765

And "Where is marci" into "I'm here!" into actually nothing looks pretty bad imo.

And then Sunday, we still did not get anything. Just a promise for more

maybe i can try a bit later but today isnt a good time, we're celebrating my younger brothers birthday : D

And that was more then 24 hours ago, but apparently that later has not happened yet

but apparently marci is off limits because of a secret code you and cabd spit back and forth, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Lukewarm]

And scrolling through her iso, it is actually 7 straight posts of only quote responses to me, and then nothing at all. And it both seems weird that I am the only person she has interacted with in the last like 3 days. And its weird that she has disappeared. And its weird that she popped back up almost immediately after she was name dropped. And it is weird that even that did not lead to content.

[Lukewarm]

I was a little alarmed when you voted wheme right after us.

With you guys moving up in my reads, and me letting cabd take marci off the chopping block for the day, that just leaves wheme and dgb in the pool of people I am comfortable having a vote on atm.

And I kinda like the dreaming god claim. and you guys becoming townier from my pov, makes me want to start considering your reads a bit more.

So, wheme vote.

[Lukewarm]

from what shes posted so far i'd gather youre the only one shes super comfortable engaging with, and i'd bet a lot of it boils down to nerves. I just wish she felt more comfortable so we could all have stronger reads

This, does not exactly make me think marci is more likely to be town. I have played with scum!marci 2 times (No, I am not counting tarot. We did not play together that game lol). And both times I town read her

So, I could see scum!marci being more comfortable talking to me then other players.

And, like, I understand why marci would be scared of like Cabd or Notty after their last game together, and ffery for a different reason, but Marci has played with Dunn and kyouko and dgb all before. Plus neither you or wheme are particularly intimidating.

So I feel like Marci has people she could reach out to, but she just kind of isnt :/

I am going to drop this convo about marci here tho. She gets to live today. I just hope that if she is town, that she towns it up sometime soon

[Lukewarm]

Dreaming god is very cool. I modded a game back when I played on a discord server that had a dreaming god, and watching the player try and figure out what the fuck they were doing was very amusing

[Lukewarm]

Dreaming god is very cool. I modded a game back when I played on a discord server that had a dreaming god, and watching the player try and figure out what the fuck they were doing was very amusing

But then I was a dreaming god in a bastard game on here, that I want to forget exists, but turns out it was a lie and none of the abilities did anything

[Lukewarm]

Hello. Taking a break from real life for a bit, so here I am.

Has Titus come back and shared reads?

SS, how is your catch up going?

[Lukewarm]

We're going to provisionally call Wheme town.

Which leads to AAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH.

What flipped you on the slot?

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Cabd

The omgus is real lol

[Lukewarm]

But I think that the dreaming god claim does not really fit with the way you have softed leading up to this

Quotes?

Yeah curious for quotes as well because I dont recall DGB softs and usually I'm on top of those things

And I dont think I saw quotes from Luke after 2255, but maybe he decided not to make them after DGB advised we look at its first post

I did a from memory overview, and then DGB responded, so I did not think it was necessary --- Post 2257

But i guess I can still grab the quotes

[Lukewarm]

@Kyouko

Spoiler:

One of you negative role ninnies should have taken the heat but instead you will lose me.

My death is a foregone conclusion so A RESOUNDING NO and here's your excuse to strut your stuff on the catwalk of shame as you all kill each other with your negative utility BS roles.

So far with the claims, I am the only one with a non-negative role. I have crumbed it, and hinted at it in an exchange with Kyouko of they were paying attention. Please kill me, and earn that defeat.

You all are a bunch of worthless negative utility roles. Go ahead and kill me. Make my day. Hang your heads in shame for the remainder of the game while I shake my mine with pursed lips of disapproval in the dead thread.

As these posts were being made, I kept getting the feeling like dgb was trying to scare us off of killing them because they were softing an unambiguously powerful role compared to the other claims on the table.

So, when that turned out the be a dreaming god, which is a very ambiguous role, filled with unknown amounts of power and dice rolling and prayer, it did not feel right.

[Lukewarm]

SS, how is your catch up going?

Depends on what you mean by that. If you mean reading past posts, I'm not doing much of that and don't plan to unless recommended specific sections. If you mean getting a feel for what the gamestate is like, pretty well.

I mainly meant, are you "in" the game vs still getting your bearings. It sounds like you are.

Who do you want us to kill atm?

I believe your vote is still on LLD from when Unwnd was running your slot. Do you also think she is scum? If yes, why? If no, why are you still voting there?

[Lukewarm]

Gun to my head reads to get going

Dunnstral - Weak town
Titus Toogeloo - Dead town
ssbm_Kyouko - null scum
DrippingGoofball - town with reservations
WhemeStar - lean scum
ManateeGal - very prob town
Something_Smart unwnd - lean town
Cabd - weak town
Lady Lambdadelta - weak town possibly null
Kate Bishop (hydra of notscience and fferyllt) - gut scum, thinking null
Lukewarm - lean town, with reservations
GuyInFreezer - null
marcistar - lean town

Titus, my shiny new read list I asked for is here!

You have me and dgb as "with reservations" what makes that different then "weak"? Like, do you have specific reservations in mind for the two of us?

Also, you have every loud member of the "lets kill Toog/Titus" crowd down as some version of town: LLD, me, dunn, cabd, manatee all town. Do you think that the big push on you was all town motivated?

Why are you leaning town on Marci?

[Lukewarm]

1) Yes, you both could be whiteknighting me.

i
This is an interesting take. What would make you think I was whiteknighting you, when I feel like I possibly the most vocal about killing your slot outside of LLD?

Unless you mean this reach out now that you are essentially dead?

This is because, if you are town, having your thoughts would be good. But if you are scum, still having you put your thoughts out would be good

[Lukewarm]

1) Yes, you both could be whiteknighting me.

i
This is an interesting take. What would make you think I was whiteknighting you, when I feel like I possibly the most vocal about killing your slot outside of LLD?

Unless you mean this reach out now that you are essentially dead?

This is because, if you are town, having your thoughts would be good. But if you are scum, still having you put your thoughts out would be good

I felt like you labeled my slot a goner and felt bad about it but never pushed me. Maybe I was blinded by LLD though.

I did most of my pushing on your slot before you repped in, so I guess I can see this ?

[Lukewarm]

It’s like Luke is determined to make Fferys case for her and make me look dumb

I don't actually know what you mean here. I can be the dumb one, its fine

[Lukewarm]

I have had a good game before. I think. Give me a minute, lets stroke my ego too