Mini 671 - Dwarf Fortress - Game Over!

[Cyberbob]

hay guise

I'll get cracking on posting some thoughts; shouldn't take too long given the length of the game so far.

[Cyberbob]

Alrighty then. My take on events thus far:

- Roffman's early vote on Timeater doesn't actually strike me as particularly scummy; the vote that

does

is Timeater's wagoneering-cum-OMGUS vote two posts later.

FOS: Timeater

- Timeater's post 28 is not in the spirit of the game. At all.
- Roffman's post 24 sums up my feelings regarding his vote on Timeater fairly well.
- Not too sure about Tuberkulos immediately laying another vote on roffman, and I'm

definitely

not too keen on his "random voting is the easiest way to get discussion going". In my experience it has been precisely the other way round, and I do note in fact that by that time the game was already pretty much finished with random voting (just a couple of people who obviously hadn't read the thread before posting).
- Ooh, Tuberkulos' post 42 is scumscumscumscumscumscumscum.

Vote: Tuberkulos

- Nicely rounded off with a dose of OMGUS in post 44. Good show.
- I don't like the way reborn is immediately giving Tuberkulos a free pass for basically everything just because he's a relative newbie in post 52. It lessens the effect of

some

things he's done to be sure, but rendering each and every one of them null and void? I don't think so.
- The rest of page 3 is taken up with some discussion of Tuber's behaviour and a few other minor points, wherein I pretty much agree with everything iLord said.
- Unh. Timeater saying he hasn't read much of anything doesn't instil a great sense of confidence in me. Unhelpful town or scum - either way he isn't doing any good for the town.
- More WIFOM from Tuber in post 78.
- Furg. Tuber's explanation of his approach to Day 1 is... I don't really know how to describe it. Twingy is the best word I can think of. Oh, and I like how he caves into pressure. Again.

In summary, some reads (not everyone, just those that stand out):

Tuberkulos

- about as solidly scum in my eyes as you can get at this early stage of the game. Which isn't huge, mind, but it's definitely there.

iLord

- Seems fairly town.

Mariyta

- Didn't like the way she handled her vote on Tuber one bit. They've been at each other's throats quite a bit; distancing, maybe?

reborn537

- I wish he'd post more often; he's coming off a little active-lurkish at the moment.

roffman

- Seeming pretty townish at the moment. I agreed with his early moves, and so far his logic has been pretty sound. I do wish he'd post more, though.

Timeater

- Ewwwwwww. "lol guise i didant actually red teh thred lolol AH HA YOU FELL INTO MY CUNNING TRAP" does not sit well with me. At all.

/fin

[Cyberbob]

Gee golly wiz sorry I haven't met with your approval? T_T

And yet you don bother voting with him? Surely if you were so convinced by his post you would pounce on me, such an obvious scummer, and not Tuber?

I said I agreed with his points, not that I thought them enough to vote you for. There's quite a difference.

(Because it is?)

What?

So basically you're saying you're a lurker? Let the other people random vote (but thats ok if I'm understanding you correctly) And then its ok for to jump in at any time, because your way is the only way to start a game? Right.

.

WTF? Where did I ever say - or even imply - I'm a lurker? The point I'm making is that you were telling him that his method of ending random voting was faulty despite it more or less having been over for some time already.

I can't quite decide whether you're deliberately misrepresenting me so much or whether you really are that stupid.

QFT

It's also classic newb scum, and he has indicated that he isn't actually new to mafia - only this site.

Cyberbob, being the experienced player you are, shouldn't you have realized this?

See above.

I think Tuber is a somewhat easy target and you're blatant aggression towards him is a scumtell.

lolwut

Roffman&Cyberbob could be a likely scumteam, considering in post 91 he manages to absolve Roffman, attack me, agree with Roffman, and attack Tuber, attack Mariyta. That just doesn't sit right with me.

'K.

[Cyberbob]

I told Roffman his method of ending random voting was faulty despite having been over for some time?

Yes, you did.

[Cyberbob]

intentionally confusing

Hey, it isn't my fault if you're confused so easily. I thought it was being pretty clear that I was referring to roffman, considering the post of yours I was talking about was in response to him. Apparently not.

I'll have to remember that you don't quite get anaphoric references in future. Sorry about that.

[Cyberbob]

*snip*[/size]
Hang on, I think we've both gotten a little mixed up. I was talking about

Tuber

in the part of my post you're attacking, not you.

Cyberbob: Pontificate pontificate pontificate! Bla bla bla! Bla! Look at me! Bla! I'm an asshole! Bla! Bla bla! I'm scum! Bla!

I know you are but what am I?

[Cyberbob]

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[Cyberbob]

So you dont even know what you're talking about at this point?

Unh. I know exactly what I was talking about - the only part of the equation I got mixed up was who I was speaking to. A mistake you made first, I note.

And not to be glib, but "you started it". Not once, but twice have you insulted my intelligence sir. This is unbecoming and frankly just unnacceptable for these forums. If I wanted shouting matches and name calling, I would go to a thanksgiving dinner.

You're damn right I'm insulting your intelligence. You think I'm going to sit back and let you parade around making those horrendous logical errors in that sarcastic tone unchallenged? Drop the tone and I'll drop the insults. Everybody wins.

[Cyberbob]

I see you're clearly not interested in ending the personal attacks and getting back to arguing actual points. Very well, I'll do it for you. I'll stop insulting you, but until you put a sock in that holier-than-thou attitude don't expect me to pay any attention to you.

Before you yak on about me trying to conveniently worm out of having to be accountable for my actions, remember that all you need to do is start practice what you're preaching.

[Cyberbob]

Lynch the both of you for being goblins (behaviour-wise) and all the dwarves are better off.

I can assure you that there will be no more outbursts like that from me. I've done my part to try and cool the waters.

I'm not giving Cyber a free pass either, because a cool-headed scum can just be playing it easy while you tangle yourself up some more.

I don't quite get this. Am I the possible cool-headed scum, or am I the one tangling myself up?

[Cyberbob]

Tantrum

From DwarfFortressWiki

Dwarves are fickle creatures, and when pressed to the breaking point of their happiness, they will tantrum. A tantruming dwarf may attack people and animals, destroy buildings, or throw things. The dwarf will receive happy thoughts from doing this. Those acts are generally considered a crime.

Dwarves will tantrum if they are at the "very unhappy" level of happiness or worse.

They won't for long if my Hammerer has anything to say about it. >:3

[Cyberbob]

Can't we all just stop being so fixated on this emotional crap and get back to discussing the actual game?

A few things that might be of interest:

- Tuberkulos' play
- The speed with which the Timeater wagon grew and the Tuber wagon shrunk

I know you're trying to help iLord, but the best thing we can honestly do right now is just to calm down and get back to discussing things properly. Here, I'll help.

I've pretty much been through why I think Tuber should be today's lynch, but I would like to comment on this rather sudden wagon flip from him to Timeater. In the space of less than a single page the Tuber wagon all but vanished and Timeater found himself gaining votes.

This one in particular stands out:

I also agree with pesco on this one that Timeater is the scummier looking of the two in that last babble

unvote

vote Timeater

Let's see...

- No reasoning of his own
- Apparent need to vote for

someone

who was involved in the argument despite there being a fair number of other people in the game (some of whom would have valid reasons for drawing a vote)
- A safe vote on an easy target

Yep, that one's looking pretty opportunistic to me.

FOS: CoheedCambria09

[Cyberbob]

@timeater: What powers do cooks have. I know, but do you?

Tim: DO NOT ANSWER THIS.

Agreed. Roffman, stop blatantly fishing (and was that a claim?).




Urgh, so much scummy behaviour going on.

[Cyberbob]

cyberbob's four person accusation is a valid point

I fail to see how. All I was doing was getting myself caught up on the game and pointing out the scummy actions I noticed. You're confusing "accusing" with "directing attention to", which are very different beasts indeed.

Or would you rather I let one or two people's moves slide for the sake of avoiding this "shotgun approach"?

[Cyberbob]

EBWOP:

However, as far as insults go, I guess that's a part of cyberbob that we'll have to endure.

I'll thank you not to take one outburst and go on to say it's something I always do. I don't see any such mention of Timeater, which I would if you were at least being consistent.

[Cyberbob]

-

Cyberbob.

Hard to tell. Said that we should discuss why Timeater was the new target, instead of me. But did nothing but bringing it up.

I said that was one of the issues that should be of interest, not the only one. I'm still happy with my vote on you.

@ Cyberbob:

- Ooh, Tuberkulos' post 42 is scumcumcum....
- Nicely rounded off with a dose of OMGUS in post 44. Good Show

Tuberkulos

- about as solidly scum in my eyes as you can get at this early stage of the game. Which isn't huge, mind, but it's definitely there.

Is this still where you stand?

Yes, as you haven't done anything since then to change my mind (or anything else, really).

[Cyberbob]

Kobolds are exclusively badguys in DF?

Oh yeah.

I feel I owe everyone huge apologies for my somewhat lacking activity over the last day or two. I will endeavour to catch up on the stuff I missed, but for now I might as well hammer - kobolds are

never

good guys. Never ever ever. I took one look when I was skimming through the last couple of pages at Coheed's claim and I was certain it was a lie.

Unvote, Vote: CoCam

[Cyberbob]

I actually Coheed's claimed was his actual role, albeit as scum.

Well, yeah. That's more or less what I meant.

[Cyberbob]

Sorry, but there is no way I'm going to believe a

kobold

can ever be a protown role.

[Cyberbob]

:^