Mini 2204: Fakeclaim Mafia GAME OVER

[Jake The Wolfie]

I am a slinkvig

I shoot slinky-like objects.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Reads up to this point:

CONFalien
Klick

LEANING TOWN

NULL

LEANING SCUM

CONFSCUM
Farkran
SirCakez
Skitter
PenguinPower
Korg
PookyTheMagicalBear
Jake The Wolfie
OMGUS
Puppy
Brave Heart Lion
Totally Not Korina
Firebringer

agreed

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: wtf is this, SirCakes.

The Pooky Case: Or, Why PookyTheMagicalBear Does Not Have Your Back~

PROLOGUE

Please note that I am only analyzing Pooky's day 1 as that is where my scumread originates from.

THESIS

Pooky's entire day 1 strategy revolved around buddying people and coasting until he got pressure from me for it. After that point, he dedicated the rest of his day to an essentially OMGUS push on me INCLUDING SIGNIFICANTLY AT THE KEY POINT WHERE IT WAS EITHER MASTINA OR I WHO WAS GOING TO BE ELIMMED.
He did not perform ANY original scumhunting day 1 - all of his pushes day 1 consist of either sheeping or attacking people who attacked him.
He used being leashed to LLD as an excuse to not take responsibility for his vote.
He repeatedly expressed fake-ass indignation that anyone could be scumreading him - despite all of the above.

PART 1 - THE COASTING AND LACK OF SCUMHUNTING

I have 0 knowledge of this show and what its about

i dont even know who the bad guys are

so im definitely town

Pooky do you think continuing to proclaim that I'm scum every time I post is going to get you townread?

I can tell you rn it's not working

im already locktown dude

i dont even know who the bad guys are or what they do

This kind of posting is a recurring theme in Pooky's ISO. Repeated self-declarations of being obvious town, despite basically nobody thinking so.
Also note the LAMIST attempt as he repeatedly notes that he does not know "who the bad guys are"

VOTE: Dunnstral

I want to see how this version of Spiffeh is

This is his FIRST post that could be construed as scumhunting - NEARLY TWENTY PAGES INTO THE GAME
and it's a VOTE SHEEPING SPIFFEH
NO original thoughts from scumbear

grumble grumble

VOTE: mathblade

He moves his vote here ONLY BECAUSE LLD tells him to
There is no actual desire to scumhunt

And Pooky imho is scum.

lolol what

I don't even know who the bad guys in the show are

you can't seriously scumread me

that's absurd

AGAIN the LAMIST and super fake indignance at being scumread
NOBODY could read Pooky's ISO up to this point and seriously argue that it's unreasonable to scumread him here

what would I even be SR'd for lol

see above

I am a teddy bear tho

this is when I was attacking him early on, before he realized he was going to need to push me back and discredit me. so he goes for the "i'm so innocent I couldn't be scum" act

Pooky, you worry me.

I shouldn't worry you unless you're scum

in which case

you should be very very worried.

but not really cuz I am a lazy bear who is going to take it easy in his semi-retired old age

I'm going to need more from even a semi-retired bear to have a comfortable read.

I'm waiting for our delinquents to post b4 I present my hero solve

more excuses not to scumhunt

i dont believe you scumread me either lol

you gotta put feeling into your fake scumreads dude

More of his shitty acting that he just CANT BELIEVE someone would be scumreading him!!
note that at this point - 30 pages into the game - he still has not had ANY original scumhunting

this is so bad i think u r trying to make me look bad after u redflip so people will be like. oooh scumtheater

you should go back to that game you tunneled me and study how you sound like when you are town and actually believe you are right lol

LOOK AT THIS OMGUS HERE
he realizes his "friendly bear" act is not working on Math and instead diverts to discrediting
it's the EXACT same tactic he does later with me

Also I am probably soon going to reach my threshold on the number of players allowed to scum read me without punishment. Objectively this is the most obviously town I have been in a game in a year or two at least and I will no longer be tolerating scum reads on me at this time.

Thank you all for your concern in this matter.

I am only giving you a TR because my SRs are full and I will get back to you if any of my SRs flips green and I have a spot open.

what TRs? what SRs? If you read Pooky's ISO to this point, HE HAS NOT DECLARED ANY ORIGINAL READS
HE ONLY SHEEPS

I am always tonally very town

Quite possibly the towniest town who ever towned

etc etc so much of this garbage in his ISO

I'm not nervous your logic is terrible if it's what I think you're implying.
Why would I be coaching Math in thread if we were buddies?

Refuge in Bad Play

This is such a dumb argument anyways
Literally nowhere on site does coaching in the main game thread still happen

are you more insulted by GI's lack of belief in your scum skills

or my belief that you'd actually openly coach a buddy in the thread

or MB's belief that it should be him coaching you and not the other way around?

:3

there's only one correct answer that Town!Cakez would make

terrible accusation calling me a bad player for his stupid accusation that I was coaching Math in thread
This is a key point - this is where he realized he needs to start discrediting me because I am on his ass and his "friendly bear" shtick is not working

math at this point you might as well just claim which scum character you are lol

this is his other attack that he spent a good amount of day 1 repeating - calling Math scum because Math pushed him
Pooky does not have ANY original pushes day 1 - EVERYTHING he pushed day 1 was either a sheep or attacking someone who pushed him first

All of the above
All three of you are clowns

TFW scum!Cake can't figure out how town!Cake would respond and tries goes for the "all of the above gambit"

what the hell does this even mean?

And think of it this way, if Dunn ends up being a mislim (doubt), you get to blame it all on me and call me bad.

It's a win/win.

if I move my vote away from Mathblade LLD will kill me so pretty sure it's a loss bro

This is another key aspect of Pooky's play day 1 that reeks of scum - his whole "i'm leashed to LLD" thing that he pulls out of nowhere. he never even declares it officially - he just randomly decides at some point that he can't move his vote. this is a PERFECT excuse to not take responsibility for what went down at eod day 1.

pooky's BLOOD needs to be fed to the blood gods by day three

ridiculous

garbage

We are heartless monsters who only feel pleasure at human suffering and the thought of a willing sacrifice arouses us.

excellent

VOTE: Titus

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS - what happened to being leashed to LLD here?? It's like he's scared to vote me.

I also want to kill cakez regardless of what Titus flips

trying to chain elims etc etc

Pooky, what reads do you really feel conviction on? I see you say Math/Titus/Cakez scum.

highest conviction SRs:

cake/mb/titus

lower level SRs:

bork/sangres hydra

Meh level TR:
Dunnstral

highest level conviction TRs:

kuribo/Bell/Spiffeh

Look at these shit reads
What are sangres and bork doing in his scumpile? He literally did not mention them before in his ISO to this point.
Math and I are basically OMGUS and then he has Titus who he probably was keeping open to bussing.
VERY SIGNIFICANTLY MASTINA IS NOT IN HERE

all Pooky talks about is how scummy I am and he's not even voting me LMAO

because I am leashed to LLD or have you not been paying attention at all?

I thought you were like super scum reading me

already established this is a lie

also fucking scumbear has gone MIA
I didn't forget about you Pooky, you're next after we dispose of your scumqueen Titus

cakeboi

not a single post you have made this entire game makes me think you actually believe I am scum.

it's comical at this point.

This is a SUPER IMPORTANT point - this is where Pooky starts to go in hard on his push on me. EoD was coming here, mastina was in the danger zone. I'm guessing she asked Pooky to start helping her try to miselim me in the scum PT.
I'm not gonna quote all of his posts for this but the tl;dr is he thinks I'm faking my read on him. which OBVIOUSLY is not true.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN SCUMBEAR
"not wasting posts" fucking BULLSHIT since when have you cared about that??

I've obviously been extremely restrained in my shitposting lol.

my goal was to come in under 125 posts since that is the allotment per player - I was at 110 before logging in today.

I am deciding to go over the limit since the deadline is 11 hours away and we are probably not going to run out of posts to use.

I'm going to stop wasting time talking to you.

Come up with an actual case if you want to prove you are town.

Otherwise this is just feeble and pathetic.

altho I do want to bring this post back up because he totally lies here - he starts attacking me again within like two pages
this was just grasping at towncred for "not spamming"

PART 2 - THE BUDDYING

Spiffeh and Math both kind of just reminding me of their scum game, but on the otherhand, they both appear incapable of rolling town in games I'm in so take that with a grain of salt or 10.

let's be real

Spiffey is allergic to the color green

i feel affected by this AtE

im ready to let him live even if he is scum

cuz he is so interested in this game I'd feel bad almost

Obvious

sisterly love

buddying Math

I am a teddy bear tho

this is also under coasting but I feel it belongs down here too

Oh nachgres do you have any thoughts on spiffeh?

pretty firmly townreading him at this point in the read.

I feel unfairly persecuted by this

maybe you just like spiffs more than me

playing up his "friendly bear" act again

#1 Fiery Fan

obvious

In other news, I think borkjerfkin could be scum. Can we wagon him too?

i support this read

spiffeh might actually be town lol

more sheeping + trying to get into Spiff's pocket

We should totally run that Nuke Meme game back tho :>

appealing to nostalgia

winning is never the point.

having fun is the point

*hugs*

obvious

PART 3 - MASTINA

Hi Mastina

why haven't you called me scum yet?

This seems like a good time for a readslist!

Lady Lambdadelta
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
Bell

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
borkjerfkin
GreyICE
quiet

Dunnstral

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown, lean town, null, nullscum, lean scum, scumread.

am i being set up wtf

Honestly not wrong.

I actually think you're probably my strongest non-LLD townread, which would be:
Lady Lambdadelta*
PookyTheMagicalBear

I am definitely being set up here >_>

Ok these posts are very important as they are the first interactions Pooky has with Mastina in the game thread
Take a look at this interaction - wtf is Pooky even insinuating here? it seems like a fake-ass reaction to those Mastina posts

she might be trying to use SMP against us

but it's also NAI cuz town!Mastina would do the same thing lulz

maybe the readslist is actually inverted

a HUGE fencesit on Mastina - exactly what I'd expect scumbear to be posting here. He leaves himself open to bus her later or stay away if she survives.

Pooky, what reads do you really feel conviction on? I see you say Math/Titus/Cakez scum.

highest conviction SRs:

cake/mb/titus

lower level SRs:

bork/sangres hydra

Meh level TR:
Dunnstral

highest level conviction TRs:

kuribo/Bell/Spiffeh

bringing this post down here as well - note lack of mastina

can we stop the triple posting when we have like 3 pages of posts left.

just write out all your thoughts,

hit preview

think if you want to add anything else

and then write more

and then think

and then finish writing everything out.

this is really starting to get ridiculous at this point.

I want cake blood - I don't think Town!Cake plays his claimed role this way, its just beyond the pale how ridiculous this is to me.

I will switch to Mastina to avoid NL. I will be online at the deadline. I won't be happy about it.

those people not on either wagon need to make up their minds or post some real amazing cases on other people.

A KEY POST towards the climax of day 1
At this point Pooky has essentially gone all in on trying to make me the miselim for the day
But he is not 100% sure I go through
so he has to slip Mastina in here to make sure he can still bus her if needed

CONCLUSION

Pooky did not do ANY ORIGINAL SCUMHUNTING day 1.
The entirety of his play consisted of basically three things - sheeping LLD and Spiffeh, making LAMIST/sadbear posts, and pushing Math and I when we pushed him. There is literally nothing else.
His entire push on me day 1 was constructed as an attempt to save Mastina at deadline, while still leaving himself open to bus if needed. He has basically no interactions with Mastina and what he does have looks like scum-scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake that is evidence Pooky is scum i spent an hour writing it up

Asking as someone who is discrediting the post based upon it being posted on the 2nd page:

Why did you waste an hour of your life?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I am a Scissor Sister, and my wincon is to find my other scissor to become a pair of scissors.

Apparently Jingle likes describing me as a "knife"

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm not a scissors! I'm just one scissor!

This is prejudiced against sharp objects. I'm calling the police

[Jake The Wolfie]

Now you want to SMASH me?

This is outrageous. At least take me out on a first date before assassinating me so brutally.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Klick, let's form an alliance against this nasty rock

[Jake The Wolfie]

Sorry, I only have this lizard.

[Jake The Wolfie]

@Mod Had Day 1 started yet?

[Jake The Wolfie]

e-evil?

[Jake The Wolfie]

jake have you thought about what you would do to poor Klick if you were to form into a pair of scissors?

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[Jake The Wolfie]

HI GUYS I ROLLED SURVIVOR SOMEHOW, ALSO I HAVE A POST RESTRICTION WHERE I MUST SPEAK IN ALL CAPS, WEIRD HUG?
ALSO I’M TOTALLY NOT KORINA

So are you in the Gang of Cat?

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: TNKorina

they are shouting too much, my ears hurt

[Jake The Wolfie]

Seeing as Cakes is a member of the pie clan, yes.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Firebringer is like 5% a Hectic alt.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I’m not nearly good enough to be a hectic alt

Also hi skitter. Can I enter ur pocket this game

That's why you're 95% sirius.

Not an alt, but the player themselves

[Jake The Wolfie]

I would vote you, but TNKorina has yelled way more than you.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I’m not nearly good enough to be a hectic alt

Also hi skitter. Can I enter ur pocket this game

That's why you're 95% sirius.

Not an alt, but the player themselves

What do u think abt the fact that i'm voting u

jake have you thought about what you would do to poor Klick if you were to form into a pair of scissors?

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[Jake The Wolfie]

Specifically I thought Jake completely ignoring the first serious vote of the game on him came off as pretty gross, possibly trying to avoid having to deal with pressure.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Jake The Wolfie]

Fire!!!!!
~
I'll actually be around with real thoughts tomorrow but this wagon cakez is bad and y'all should feel bad
Also i disliked jake's positioning around it so VOTE: jake

I got townpings from fark and possibly someone else but i forgot who, i will go back and check tomorrow

To be honest, I thought this was a semi-serious vote, but I didn't really mind.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I assumed you didn't like jake voting TNK? If that wasn't your reason to vote jake, you may expand your reasoning too

Expanding my post: Jake voted TNK and i don't townread TNK

yeah and then disliked how they voted someone else while that was happening


do you scumread tnk or you just don't townread them?

Who is the "they" in this post? It couldn't be me, since I have only voted TNKorina

[Jake The Wolfie]

It did, but I think voting Cakez would have been unwise, since they were [assuming hammers end the day] at L-2.

[Jake The Wolfie]

@mod 3 people are voting me

[Jake The Wolfie]

In order to be scummy, just copy what I do word for word in an already completed game.

[Jake The Wolfie]

What are you, gems?

[Jake The Wolfie]

UNVOTE: TNKorina

[Jake The Wolfie]

not voting people start voting plskthx

VOTE: PenguinPwner

[Jake The Wolfie]

not voting people start voting plskthx

VOTE: PenguinPwner

This vote was semi-serious, as I find it a little sketchy that most town players would want people to start voting, even if they had little to no reason to do so (hence why people would not be voting)

[Jake The Wolfie]

Idk about you, but I never "play" mafia.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Chilling, darling.

[Jake The Wolfie]

No

[Jake The Wolfie]

And if we have, I don't remember it, because I have no thought

[Jake The Wolfie]

OHMAIGOD GUYS

I THINK WOLFHEART IS ACTUALLY A BIG BAD WOLFE

I'm not buff, nor evil, and it may surprise you for me to tell you, but

I'm just a guy in a fursuit

[Jake The Wolfie]

not voting people start voting plskthx

VOTE: PenguinPwner

This vote was semi-serious, as I find it a little sketchy that most town players would want people to start voting, even if they had little to no reason to do so (hence why people would not be voting)

This is still a terrible post

IT MUST GO

Why is "Town shouldn't vote for no reason" a bad take in your opinion?

[Jake The Wolfie]

not voting people start voting plskthx

VOTE: PenguinPwner

This vote was semi-serious, as I find it a little sketchy that most town players would want people to start voting, even if they had little to no reason to do so (hence why people would not be voting)

This is still a terrible post

IT MUST GO

Why is "Town shouldn't vote for no reason" a bad take in your opinion?

I disagreed with pookhearts post, but that isn't the issue.

If you disagreed with their post, why did you not correct the quote in a 2nd post?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why is "Town shouldn't vote for no reason" a bad take in your opinion?

There is never a “no reason” especially in early game. I mean - what do you think RVS is?

Why are you answering a question not poised at you?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why are you not answering a question poised at you?

Because you're treating me like I've never played any game of mafia, ever.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Am I? You’re still deflecting instead of answering.

Because I don't need to answer. I don't need you to townread me, because I think you're scummy (which is why my vote is on you.)

If you think I'm scummy, then vote me. Call your herd of sheep to take me out.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Weirdly defensive.

I’d rather you just participate in this game by answering questions and interacting!

I am participating, just not with you.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Could you at least explain how you went from “mildly serious vote for bad reason” to “scumreading?” Or, do you still want to act like a 3 year old with your fingers in your ears yelling “lalalalalala i can’t hear you?”

You're treating me like I've never played any game of mafia, ever.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why is "Town shouldn't vote for no reason" a bad take in your opinion?

There is never a “no reason” especially in early game. I mean - what do you think RVS is?

Why are you answering a question not poised at you?

This should not be the post that makes you seem most likely a carebear or carecousin

I'm a skizzor siztor

[Jake The Wolfie]

Could you at least explain how you went from “mildly serious vote for bad reason” to “scumreading?” Or, do you still want to act like a 3 year old with your fingers in your ears yelling “lalalalalala i can’t hear you?”

You're treating me like I've never played any game of mafia, ever.

I’m definitely going to start if you keep acting like this.

Maniaclly rubbing hands together

Goood.. You'll let meexploit your expertise for free.

[Jake The Wolfie]

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Pagetop Counter
PenguinPower: 4
Jingle: 3
SirCakez: 2
Firebringer: 2
Klick: 1
Korg: 1
skitter30: 1
Jake The Wolfie: 1

[Jake The Wolfie]

Pagetop Counter

PenguinPower: 4
Jingle: 3
SirCakez: 2
Firebringer: 2
Klick: 1
Korg: 1
skitter30: 1
Jake The Wolfie: 1

is this a powerlevel chart

if so im def stronger than cakez

sure

[Jake The Wolfie]

im always a villian. in someone elses story.

in my own story im a cowboy

In my story, You are the dual of Sirius

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: jake
he's pissing me off and I'm not convinced by the Puppy wagon

seriously: i don't think anything penguin has done can't have been faked. But im willing to be proven wrong.
im more interested in cakez cause he is like very divergent from normal cakez behavior and i can't tell u if its good or bad but my historic read accuracy with him makes it likely i wont know which is which.

Right now I do think Cakez is a great push and his silence speaks.

this game started during possibly the busiest week of my entire life
I couldn't even breathe the last few days I had so much fucking work
I'm almost through it now and you'll see normal Cakez activity and posting resume

Fark: you voting Puppy just to make him engage seems kinda weak from what I know about you.

it

[Jake The Wolfie]

What exactly am I doing that is pissing you off? Do you think I'm a better execution than another hypothetical scummy player?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Total is Killing it with 20 pagetops

[Jake The Wolfie]

The issue on the table, who out of Puppy & Jake is more likely to be scum...
Firebringer you have the floor, sir

I think you're probably not serious, but I don't think you've limited down one evil down to 2 people.

[Jake The Wolfie]

pagetop

[Jake The Wolfie]

If puppy is scum, a look of their ISO teels me that they're teying to make me look guilty by assosiation.

[Jake The Wolfie]

it is problem though because puppy also liked jake initially.. but awake puppy doesn't remember why sleepy puppy liked jake... ):

maybe they are both town, puppy doesn't know why jake would get that reactive that fast and goad penguin if scum knowing this game, jake probably just frustrated

This post is being hesitant to call me scum, suggesting that they are TMIing me

[Jake The Wolfie]

Call us by our titles -heart

[Jake The Wolfie]

My vote represents me scumreading PP.

[Jake The Wolfie]

It's.. a dayvig.

Unless the words "day" and "vig" do not mean "Day phase" and "kill", then it should be a Day phase murder.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: TNKorina

Die.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: TNKorina

Die.

Well, this wagon just got less attractive to hammer, gross vote for dumb reasons.

Explain to me how me voting them makes them more town-aligned, especially after they publicly implied that they wanted Farkan dead?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ok now you're just being contradictory

If you use an ability that appears to be a dayvig, the intention is that the person your using it on dies.

I cannot confirm the effect of it. I also cannot say what the effect of it is, because that would ruin the entire point of me using it.

Also ???

This is just a cop-out of having to actually explain anything, when people already find you scummy.

[Jake The Wolfie]

And the fact that Jake, who has continually not made any case on the one scum read he had, is now asking for any explanation from me is pretty heavy on the irony scale.

How does one create a case based on gut instinct?

[Jake The Wolfie]

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[Jake The Wolfie]

Ok now you're just being contradictory

If you use an ability that appears to be a dayvig, the intention is that the person your using it on dies.

I cannot confirm the effect of it. I also cannot say what the effect of it is, because that would ruin the entire point of me using it.

Also ???

This is just a cop-out of having to actually explain anything, when people already find you scummy.

Maybe because if I say the ability, it completely ruins the entire point of using it on them?
It's like saying "Oh, I'm a doctor, and I'm going to heal X".
Scum are just going to not shoot X then.

I cannot say what the ability is because then the entire point of using it is wasted.

If scum gain an advantage over you claiming it, then why did you claim it was real in the first place?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ok now you're just being contradictory

If you use an ability that appears to be a dayvig, the intention is that the person your using it on dies.

I cannot confirm the effect of it. I also cannot say what the effect of it is, because that would ruin the entire point of me using it.

Also ???

This is just a cop-out of having to actually explain anything, when people already find you scummy.

Maybe because if I say the ability, it completely ruins the entire point of using it on them?
It's like saying "Oh, I'm a doctor, and I'm going to heal X".
Scum are just going to not shoot X then.

I cannot say what the ability is because then the entire point of using it is wasted.

If scum gain an advantage over you claiming it, then why did you claim it was real in the first place?

And if you were lying, then you deserve to die for purposefully giving us both incomplete and incorrect information.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Because I'm town and feel that telling there was a purpose of my "dayvig" is beneficial?

Saying that there was a purpose but then not saying what the purpose is is not helpful.

"Don't worry, there's a reason I'm feeding you this disgusting liquid, I just won't say why."

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm not saying the ability is scummy, I'm saying that you disclosing that it was an ability is scummy, especially when there is definitely counterplay that the scum could use, even if they didn't know what the ability is.

For all you know, the scum could know you're bullshitting right now and that your ability does jack shit.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If TNKorina retracts their claim, they should die for lying to us when they were close to death.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I didn't know my vote had the power to instantly kill a wagon.

That's incredible.

VOTE: Omgus

[Jake The Wolfie]

I believe TNKorina is scum because they haven't really done much until they were threatened with execution, at which point they show an action that they presumably took but which we cannot verify the results of, just so that they won't die.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: TNKorina

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why do any of you townread TNKorina?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why do any of you townread TNKorina?

Until this is answered, I will assume that anyone voting for me with TNKorina who previously voted for TNKorina is doing so because they are buddies with them, and would much rather execute a noted LHF than their scumbuddy.

[Jake The Wolfie]

You are literally voting a LHF for being LHF, you have no room to be smug.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Nope - I actually think you have done scummy things!

How about this - sell me on TNK.

Why would I need to, unless you never though they were scummy in the first place?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Nope - I actually think you have done scummy things!

How about this - sell me on TNK.

Why would I need to, unless you never though they were scummy in the first place?

If you didn't think they were scummy in the first place, then you wouldn't have voted for them with the intention of executing them.

Why am I a more valuable target then them, especially after they voted for me?

[Jake The Wolfie]

The Case For Krist,

as presented by Jake The Wolfie

Spoiler:

TNKorina ISO #0 - #10 is being ommitted as it appears to be written in RVS.

I am a cult leader tho

I'm probably korina

DAYVIG FARKRAN

This post is claimed later by TNKorina to be an ability.

Hi, prod received. I'm gonna claim my abilities.

I already used one with the dayvig, but I'm not gonna say the effect because that would ruin it.
Second, I can claim masons with anyone and get a PT with them for the night.
Third I can make anyone hated for the rest of the day.

I can only use one per day.

Which has a benefit

Ok now you're just being contradictory

If you use an ability that appears to be a dayvig, the intention is that the person your using it on dies.

I cannot confirm the effect of it. I also cannot say what the effect of it is, because that would ruin the entire point of me using it.

Also ???

This is just a cop-out of having to actually explain anything, when people already find you scummy.

Maybe because if I say the ability, it completely ruins the entire point of using it on them?
It's like saying "Oh, I'm a doctor, and I'm going to heal X".
Scum are just going to not shoot X then.

I cannot say what the ability is because then the entire point of using it is wasted.

Now, I don't know if that's true, but let's assume that it is, for the sake of Argument:

I see 3 possibilities:

1. The ability should be used on town (In which case, TNKorina used it on someone they appear to have no read on)
   
2. The ability can be used on anyone (Why wouldn't you disclose what it is? If it's an investigative like ability, You should have probably saved it for later in the day for a better target than a random)
   
3. The ability should be used on scum (In which case, TNKorina used it on someone they appear to have no read on)

There may be another possibility I'm missing here, but as far as I'm aware these are the 3 main categories of targets the ability should have.
I've contingently listed why I think taking that choice would either be scummy or nonsensical.

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Hi I’m currently at work, but I’m checking in. Fark, you are reading me wrong. When has *anyone* correctly read me d1? Literally, every single game I play, I’m always scumread as town. Will elaborate later.

I'm assuming you mean 500. We'll get to that later.

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Are you also scumread as scum though?

I don’t roll scum often enough to tell you. The last scum game I remember I got townread pretty hard

The only time I ever got correctly townread was when Vex was a stealth alt still

These both feel like continuing from 269, setting up a "I almost never get correctly read" narrative.

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So, I'm going to be honest, I really don't have much motivation to play this game atm. It just kinda feels like we never really hit out of RVS for me atm. Can someone explain the current wagons for me? I would read the thread back, but I'm about to sleep because I'm tired, and can't be bothered atm.

I feel like this is a terrible post in light of their supposed ability (123). I don't see any town-motivated reasoning behind using an ability in what you perceive to be RVS.

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I'm a Town Flagbearer

If I ever die, town loses the game... instantly. Keep me alive at all costs.

Why the fuck would you claim this? There's zero reason for you to claim at all.

This does feel like genuine town concern, but at the same time it feels too naive.

In light of (689), this could also be manufactured confusion:

This is fakeclaim mafia. My abilities do not correspond with the presumed action.

Fark did not die when I "dayvig'd" them, so it's clearly not a dayvig. The fact you're trying to push me for something that has clearly not been that is weird.
@Fark, I absolutely will tomorrow. My abilities are limited to one per day. In theory, we could just not have the thread locked if everyone claims masons with me and Fark tomorrow, when I use it.

The underlined text shows that TNKorina understands that they can reasonably expect players (including town players) to lie or give false information (either intentionally or unintentionally) in this game.

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ISO #17 is being ommitted

Also, while I'm here, let me get all my games to show you that every single game I can remember, where I was town, I got scumread at the start.

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TL's GIM - I was scum, but I got jester-read before claiming survivor.
Animal Upick - Town coroner, I was scumread, and even lightly scumread after claiming coroner.
Open 786 - town, but i was scumread
MT2100 - mason, but still scumread.

First of all, why would you include a game where you were scum? That is irrelevant to the purpose of showing us games where you were scumread as town.
Second of all, this plays into the narrative of you being incorrectly read all the time, but why leave out the other games you played? Why not list all the games you remember, to leave behind an unbiased view of your play? I looked into your- sorry, Korina's User page and found their played games (I'm only counting games where they used the username Korina) and I found that you have underrepresented your played games.
Note, the played games section hasn't been updated since 12/24/19

Out of all the games listed, the earliest one appears to be Mini Theme 2100, and the lastest one listed on the page appears to be... not listed. Yeah, can you throw a Boot at Korina's ass and tell them to update the damn thing already?
Anyway, out of the 5 most recent (from Mini Theme 2100) non-"ongoing" games, you were town in 5 of them. If I grant that the 2 games you listed were added into this sample (totaling 7 games in total, and making this even more biased), you were scumread 3/7 times. Admittedly, that is a bad ratio, but all that suggests is that you tend to be unreadable, not that you tend to be scumread as town, and townread as scum.

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Hi, prod received. I'm gonna claim my abilities.

I already used one with the dayvig, but I'm not gonna say the effect because that would ruin it.
Second, I can claim masons with anyone and get a PT with them for the night.
Third I can make anyone hated for the rest of the day.

I can only use one per day.

Looking back at this, why would you not have saved your mystery ability in favor of any of the others? I guess you can't answer that because you can't say what your mystery ability does, so moving on.

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Honestly feel free to kill me, because I already used my major power for the day, and I don't feel motivated enough to play this game to make use of either of my other powers.

This is just.. ugh. It's anti-town behavior, but it's also nonsensical behavior. I'm not suggesting that you should replace out, but if you don't feel motivated to play the game, then why don't you just replace out?

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I am a cult leader tho

I'm probably korina

DAYVIG FARKRAN

I had to iso you to actually notice this, didn't remember this at all

I don't believe this is a true dayvig though because it would be terrible

If it has some different effect that you can confirm, you should say it

I cannot confirm the effect of it. I also cannot say what the effect of it is, because that would ruin the entire point of me using it.

This is fakeclaim mafia. My abilities do not correspond with the presumed action. Fark did not die when I "dayvig'd" them, so it's clearly not a dayvig. The fact you're trying to push me for something that has clearly not been that is weird.
@Fark, I absolutely will tomorrow. My abilities are limited to one per day. In theory, we could just not have the thread locked if everyone claims masons with me and Fark tomorrow, when I use it.

If you know this is Fakeclaim mafia, then why wouldn't you just.. fakeclaim that you had no abilities today then reveal tomorrow that you did have an ability, and what the results of said ability were? This is why you are scummy. You aren't making any sense whatsoever. You claim that you have an ability which does ???, and it's apparently beneficial but in a way that the scum can counter, and also you can't confirm the effect of it but "just trust me, you'll know what the effect is tomorrow, I promise "? This isn't just a red flag, this is six flags.

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ISO #25 & #26 are being omitted.

Uhm..

Hi, prod received. I'm gonna claim my abilities.

I already used one with the dayvig, but I'm not gonna say the effect because that would ruin it.
Second, I can claim masons with anyone and get a PT with them for the night.
Third I can make anyone hated for the rest of the day.

I can only use one per day.

Did you mistype this, or did you mean to say that if you claim masons with someone else, or someone else claims masons with you, then you'll be put in a 1-day PT?

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Ok now you're just being contradictory

If you use an ability that appears to be a dayvig, the intention is that the person your using it on dies.

I cannot confirm the effect of it. I also cannot say what the effect of it is, because that would ruin the entire point of me using it.

Also ???

This is just a cop-out of having to actually explain anything, when people already find you scummy.

Maybe because if I say the ability, it completely ruins the entire point of using it on them?
It's like saying "Oh, I'm a doctor, and I'm going to heal X".
Scum are just going to not shoot X then.

I cannot say what the ability is because then the entire point of using it is wasted.

If you were a doctor and you said that you were healing X, you aren't then bound by your words to heal X. Even if you were, it might not be the best strategy, but at the very least you could prevent X from dying at all. Or you might have a redirector throw someone into X and if no one dies the person that the redirector targeted would become a suspect. Or you might be lying about being a doctor and the scum just up and kill you. In any case, the scum don't have much counterplay to killing X. They could roleblock/redirect you, but then they reveal that they have some sort of disruptive role. They could also kill you, but that runs the risk of them killing a non-doctor. In any case, they may have counterplay, but we also have counterplay, especially in this game where there's an air of lying and deception by everyone.

In short: this analogy fails, and you should try again.

I will gladly claim the ability tomorrow, provided I do not die, but until then, no. The fact you're trying to push me to claim it, when I feel like me saying "Hey, saying it ruins the point of using it" is scummy.

To take what you said:

Die.
VOTE: Jake

Why would you claim what it does tomorrow? According to you, the scum can counterplay your ability, so unless it's a 1-shot ability (which you haven't mentioned before) the scum could just.. counterplay it the next time.

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ISO #29 is being omitted

In short, TNKorina has done multiple scummy, inconsistent, and illogical things which would not come from a town player. In addition, they have tried to set up a narritive where they are constantly and unfairly misread as town, even though their user page shows that is not true. This player is scum, and should be executed post-haste.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Now if you don't mind me, I'm gonna go eat some plastic,

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why did you townread TNK until 688?

Bullshit I did.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why did you townread TNK until 688?

Bullshit I did.

You literally can't post to one instance, not even once, where I said TNKorina was town, towny, rand!town, or anything else that would suggest I was townreading them before that post. The only thing that comes even remotely close to a townread is in my Case for Krist:

Spoiler: but even THIS is dubious at best, because I immediately follow it up with why I think it could have still come from scum anyway

In post 496, OMGUS wrote:
I'm a Town Flagbearer

If I ever die, town loses the game... instantly. Keep me alive at all costs.


In post 497, Totally Not Korina wrote:
Why the fuck would you claim this? There's zero reason for you to claim at all.



This does feel like genuine town concern, but at the same time it feels too naive.

In light of (689), this could also be manufactured confusion:

In post 689, Totally Not Korina wrote:
This is fakeclaim mafia. My abilities do not correspond with the presumed action. Fark did not die when I "dayvig'd" them, so it's clearly not a dayvig. The fact you're trying to push me for something that has clearly not been that is weird.
@Fark, I absolutely will tomorrow. My abilities are limited to one per day. In theory, we could just not have the thread locked if everyone claims masons with me and Fark tomorrow, when I use it.



The underlined text shows that TNKorina understands that they can reasonably expect players (including town players) to lie or give false information (either intentionally or unintentionally) in this game.

You are lying.

[Jake The Wolfie]

also

[Jake The Wolfie]

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Pagetop

[Jake The Wolfie]

Here is my current Readlist, since I have at least more than a few people I read now:

Good Bois:

Jingle, Jake The Wolfie

Town:

No one

Townlean:

skitter30, Farkran

color=grey]Null:[/color]

Korg, Absolutely Chillin, OMGUS, Brave Heart Lion, Not_Mafia

Scumlean:

PenguinPower, SirCakes, Klick, Puppy

Scum:

Totally Not Korina

[Jake The Wolfie]

Here is my current Readlist, since I have at least more than a few people I read now:

Good Bois:

Jingle, Jake The Wolfie

Town:

No one

Townlean:

skitter30, Farkran

Null:

Korg, Absolutely Chillin, OMGUS, Brave Heart Lion, Not_Mafia

Scumlean:

PenguinPower, SirCakes, Klick, Puppy

Scum:

Totally Not Korina

Fixed.

Ok, I'll stop posting for now, and do some ISOs on.. idk.. BHLion or whatever.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why did you townread TNK until 688?

Bullshit I did.

That's my point though. You're saying anyone who was voting TNK and then voted you magically has a townread on TNK, and that's just as bullshit.

Perhaps Townread was too strong a word, but it wouldn't make sense to go from "lets execute X" to "lets execute X's vote". Both of us cannot simultaneously be scum, unless you think that they are trying to bus me, in which case, why? Why would we come up with such a terrible plan to bus Day 1? There's no way we would ever do this, and there's certainly no way in hell that I'd offer up to be bussed. Ergo, if you are voting for me, you must believe that the other player is at least a town-lean.

[Jake The Wolfie]

A vote for someone is buying into the concept that they are more likely to flip scum than anyone else.

[Jake The Wolfie]

However, when that player originally wanted to execute TNKorina first, then later followed the vote of the person they wanted to execute (TNKorina), it implies that they do not scumread the person they wanted to execute. If they did scumread them, why would you follow them? If you have good reason for voting who they are also voting for, provide it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Jake The Wolfie

For the record, you guys suck.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm shocked Jake actually put some content together.
And hilariously my gut feeling is that it makes him scum because I don't think he'd give a shit as town

I never want to play another game with you ever again if your first thought of seeing someone trying to improve is "Well clearly you're only trying because you're scum, and not because you're trying to prevent a town execution."

Fuck you, you are the first and only person on my blacklist.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Where is the Australia of the USA btw? I am struggling to work this one out

It's Florida.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Anyway, let's hope that Jingle didn't put the cruelest fate upon us all and make me a secret flagbearer.

I was a Vanilla Townie, so at least you didn't lose much.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Frankly if you had given even 1% of a shit this entire day and tried to play the game you signed up for rather then laughing everything off and mocking people scumreading you maybe you wouldn't have been the elim. I honestly don't have much sympathy for people who don't try until they are about to die and then get mad they got elimmed, despite posting jackshit for the entire game.
You dug your own grave and you have no one to blame but yourself.

I wouldn't have been the elim if I had kept my mouth shut and not have voted for TNKorina.

I wouldn't have been the elim if I townread TNKorina.

I wouldn't have been the elim if I had thrown my computer out onto the street and proceeded to run it over with my mother's car.

I wouldn't have been the elim if I had not participated at all.

I wouldn't have been the elim if I was being anti-town.

[Jake The Wolfie]

In any case, my readlist remains mostly the same (Not like it matters. I'm probably wrong anyway and TNKorina is actually an Innocent Child who'll reveal tomorrow just to piss me off) I didn't get an opportunity to do an ISO on anyone, nor do I intend to, simply out of spite against SirCakez (Not like any of you care. You're probably relieved that I'll finally shut the fuck up for once.)

[Jake The Wolfie]

Normally Town will claim

before they

and not vote themselves.

The reason I voted for myself is because my execution was inevitable. There was no way I was ever going to divert the wagon to anyone else. I was the CFD vote. Anyone who can't see that should have their driver's license suspended until their eyesight is corrected.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Whatever you say, man.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Normally Town will claim

before they

and not vote themselves.

The reason I voted for myself is because my execution was inevitable. There was no way I was ever going to divert the wagon to anyone else. I was the CFD vote. Anyone who can't see that should have their driver's license suspended until their eyesight is corrected.

Still screws up vca later on.

I agree, it will. What's your point?

[Jake The Wolfie]

sorry jake.. puppy didnt want you dead

will bury tnk in holes with bones tomorrow for you

You should have defended me more then >->

[Jake The Wolfie]

What wagon are you referring to?

I'm sorry to doubt your abilities, but I don't think you'll be able to execute TNKorina here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Like, I'm pretty sure that just by me voting for the wagon, that pretty much killed off the wagon for anyone who thought I was scum, and even after I flip there's a high likelyhood that they won't vote them.

Or maybe they will. I'm a complete idiot.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Assume that TNKorina proves they are what they claim to be.

Does that prove their alignment?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hey everyone! I herein declare myself The Jester, and have therefore won this game. Goodbye!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Sidenote: SirCakez is still on my blacklist.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think if I were high, I might've survived D1

[Jake The Wolfie]

I refuse to play a 15p Large. 14p on the other hand.. sign me the fuck up.