Mini 653 - Family Guy Mafia - Game over

RestFermata · Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:41 am

If you want me to, I will make Dragon into a Super Saint using the Death Ray tomorrow night.

As for who are scum, I see StD + Kloud as being a viable scumpair. StD hasn't said two words about Kloud the entire game until today, and Kloud has only had nice things to say about him until now. I definitely also see E_K as an option, though. I'm not sure who she'd fit in with as a scumpartner, but I'll have to look into it.

RestFermata · Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:42 am

EBWOP. I will make *KLOUD* into a Super Saint.

RestFermata · Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:44 am

Yes it is.

RestFermata · Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:51 am

Sorry. I was going to use it on Diane, but then when I figured out it wasn't going to kill her, I reconsidered.

Seriously, though, I wanted to use the DR for a pro-town purpose, but I couldn't think of one that wasn't extremely risky. I mean, just because

you

know someone is town doesn't mean they can't be hammered for honest reasons by another honest townsperson. Obviously. Or this game would be ridiculously easy.

RestFermata · Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:56 pm

But when kloud did talk, he usually posted really long analyses.

RestFermata · Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:11 pm

IF and ONLY IF Kloud is town.

RestFermata · Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:16 pm

Honestly I really hope that Kloud is town because otherwise I we're feeling around in the dark for the last scum.

RestFermata · Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:16 pm

EBWOP. Scratch that "I"

RestFermata · Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:21 pm

Right.

RestFermata · Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:53 am

To confirm himself. That way if Kloud knows tomorrow who LF targeted, we can be sure that he is town. Otherwise, his claim is a lie.

RestFermata · Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:20 am

Put Day-Use in the title of the invention just in case it isn't 100% random.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:34 am

No, I did not use, or try to use, the Super Saint Death Ray. Besides, the machine is night-use only.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:45 am

What about some sort of vote-buyer?

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:03 am

I wonder what LF thinks about the possibility of Meg being so disliked that it takes 1 less vote to lynch, rather than a scum executioner or that weird idea about the death ray backfiring.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:23 am

How's this? Today we lynch STD. Tonight I make myself into a Super Saint and E_K hammers me tomorrow, or vice versa. That way we've blown up all possible scum and there will be 1 person left. Would that work? I am not good at math.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:27 am

It'd be just like 3-person SS3 on IRC, which I played yesterday.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:05 am

If we do this, I will immediately self-vote in preparation for E_K to hammer me tomorrow. If she doesn't, we lynch her.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:13 am

EBWOP. Thinking about it, I believe the plan is best if I convert myself into a Super Saint, because I am the only one who could be lying about the invention. By offering myself to be lynched, town wins whether I am scum or town. If I do not self-vote and allow myself to be hammered by E_K (or StD if that's who's alive!) then lynch me. Foolproof, unless you see any holes in it.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:15 am

That's why I'm offering myself to be the Super Saint who is lynched. If I'm scum and not really a Super Saint, I die anyway, town wins with 2 alive. If the DR is a vig kill, I will have that power tomorrow night regardless. We are still lynching one of our top 3 suspects. That part of our strategy has not changed.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:19 am

If LF or reborn are scum, I am afraid this game has already been lost. They are the most confirmed town we have. What can we do? We have to take out our prime suspects.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:38 am

What more can I say? I am telling the truth about the Super Saint device. I came right out the next day and admitted why I didn't use it. I don't think I could have foreseen this situation as scum.

But regardless, it's just my word. You don't have to believe it. If you lynch me, we still have a plan, but there's more chance involved. I believe this plan is the most foolproof.

Step 1.) Lynch E_K or StD
Step 2.) RF makes self into Super Saint
Step 3.) If RF lives through N5, she self-votes and forces E_K to hammer. If E_K refuses, E_K is lynched. If RF is killed N5, E_K is lynched.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:54 am

EBWOP. I said Step 3 as if E_K would be the one alive, but it could be E_K or StD depending on who we lynch today. Personally, I prefer StD, but I'm willing to fluctuate.

E_K, what do you think about this plan?

I'll vote after everyone gets their opinions in.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:58 pm

I'm perfectly willing to withhold my vote to hammer.

I think StD's reluctance to accept my idea may not be genuine. I could see him being scum on his last leg, trying to resist an idea that leaves no more chance for a scum win. He himself admits that the chance of me being scum with a killing Death Ray that I've saved until this point is a small one, yet a 50% chance in endgame of lynching the wrong person and losing doesn't seem to bother him as much. I see flaws in those numbers. I see flaws in that logic. I detect scum. I think we should lynch him today to maximize our chances of winning early and not having to use the plan. But I won't cry if we end up lynching E_K because it doesn't really change much, except I think we will be less likely to win today. But I won't vote until the hammer. I also want to know what E_K thinks first.

RestFermata · Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:18 pm

Why are you shocked that I haven't used the death ray yet? Making someone into a Super Saint is a risky move. I couldn't think of a way to use it that couldn't have had drastic consequences for the town. Now that the player pool has diminished a bit I think it is more useful because we don't care so much if town dies anymore, just as long as the last scum dies at the same time. There's a lot less to lose.

RestFermata · Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:26 am

I think that reborn and LF are the most confirmed players we have. I believe the scum must be among StD and E_K, probably StD because he strikes me as squirming scum right now, opposing my plan in an illogical, half-ass way because that's all he

can

do at this point.

RestFermata · Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:58 am

Yes, I did. And you might indeed be genuinely pointing out the flaws in my plan, which I appreciate. I don't want anything to go wrong. I'm listening to what you're saying. I am afraid of the consequences if we do this and reborn or LF is scum. But think of it this way. If you

were

scum, how would you react to a plan like this? if we go through with it, you know your game is over. If you oppose it

too

strongly, you run the risk of revealing yourself. So you have to push against it a little without going overboard. My point is that between you and E_K, you are reacting to my plan in a way that is more likely to be scum.

The thing is, I have no reason to believe reborn is scum. I have no reason to believe LF is scum. If you can give me grounds to suspect either of them--or grounds to believe there is a scum inventor or scum JOAT

along with

a possible scum tracker (we don't know if Kloud was telling the truth, but his flavor rolename

was

Stalker)--then please do. But saying "anything's possible, so I'd prefer that we lynch you instead" doesn't cut it for me. If your top suspects aren't E_K and I, or if you have a good reason why you don't think we should kill off all the top suspects, I'd like to hear it.

Through all of this, I want you to know that I'm not blindly sold to my plan. I'm just saying that StD's supposed "flaws" in the plan don't satisfy me. Especially the one about me being scum with an extra kill. I KNOW that's not true, so of course I'm not going to agree with that.

RestFermata · Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:27 am

Yeah, I do like people to point out holes in my plan. I think it's important that we not rush into something that ends up being a mistake. I don't mean to rail at you just for pointing these things out. It's just that I've got to decide who's the best lynch for today, you or E_K. So I have to take these things into account whether I like it or not.

StD--How likely do you think it is that LF or reborn is scum? And do you think Kloud was a scum tracker or just scum? (His role name WAS, in fact, Stalker.)

RestFermata · Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:03 pm

Yeah, the results seem pretty easy to fake. I mean, the things he said were already very obvious. Everyone knows LF targetted GW. He said he tracked two claimed vanillas and said they made no night action. So no surprises there.

RestFermata · Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:46 am

Tom Tucker signing off. Go town!

RestFermata · Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:58 pm

I KNEW you were squirming scum, StD!

I think it's hilarious that reborn didn't know he had a double vote and everyone was trying to figure it out.