Mini Theme 2198: Animals Upick 2 [Game Over]

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My goodness we have an Inexperience Challenged player present! We are truly honoured!

VOTE: Korina - Unfortunately dogs to tend to make rather a lot of mess while at the table.

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Reptiles, aquatic, yeah

i was the sample Role PM here in Animal's Upick 1, an Orca, and i had stuff i could only be targeted by Underwater or the like, and there was reptile only.

I'm a dragon, rawr! watch me fly through the sky breathing fire

Jabberwocky ahead!

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My my my, please don't be so horrendously violent at the table, Nora. I do prefer to keep a sense of civility and order here... that said... I wont hesitate to throw a teacup like my mad friend here...

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DOES ANYONE WANT TO PLAY A GAME!?!?!?

Depends entirely on whom is asking, and what game?

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Oh my goodness, this is certainly not polite conversation! I may have to take somebodies eye out!

For what its worth, our first pick was granted.

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Can we not bring Chesh into this? Quite possibly the one fellow I want to avoid right now.

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Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.

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Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.

Hey in this game I've extra incentive to.

But, if it makes you feel better, I'm not gonna be lighting the way for you; I'm more interested in lighting the way and guiding Smoke/Mirrors, working with them side by side.

Interesting, blazing the trail, and yet not lighting the way.

Personally, I am going to take a rather less urgent approach to the day. My loyalty is hard earned, after all.

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Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.

Hey in this game I've extra incentive to.

But, if it makes you feel better, I'm not gonna be lighting the way for you; I'm more interested in lighting the way and guiding Smoke/Mirrors, working with them side by side.

Interesting, blazing the trail, and yet not lighting the way.

Personally, I am going to take a rather less urgent approach to the day. My loyalty is hard earned, after all.

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Given the depths this thread has already lowered itself to, I have no regrets nor concerns posting this one.

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The firing of rainbows from ones backside is nowhere near the level of depravity as mentioning animalistic natures that upset asexual entities such as myself.

I almost spilled my tea when I saw that...

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Ewe should clam yourself, my deer.
I'm sure our wonderful moderator will deal with the people who don't contribute and put them firmly in their plaice.

It may be getting late, perhaps I should sleep...

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Well I must say that I am rather fond of the role I have given what it does, and it does sadden me slightly to see one so demotivated.

Would April Ludgate not be considered as not playing to win in this scenario as either alignment?

Then if you were to consider the balance aspect of these games would it not be unheard it for a role like that to have a counter of sorts to it? Would the Target not be aware, for example?

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Oh my, if we're claiming the "funnest role ever", I certainly have a contender for that position.

Noraabear needs to remember that even small animals can pose a great threat, especially to bears. That said, they can work together too.

Would April Ludgate not be considered as not playing to win in this scenario as either alignment?

oh, i would make sure it's a win regardless

This is intriguing.

Can you explain what is meant by the term FLIP to the class, boss IC?

I may hand over the reigns.

I shall prepare my notes, this is a term I am unfamiliar with.

Now if you'll pardon me, apparently more Koalas are required. That I only earned 7 points with that wonderful little gif of LGBTQIA Toilet humour means I have higher tastes to appeal to.

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Spoiler: Koala Party

Now if we're being entirely truthful...

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I must confess I don't quite understand the point of this tirade of marsupials other than one of distraction from the object to find anti-town aligned players.

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One does wonder, perhaps, due to the multiple stages of the day phase that there may well be mechanical tomfoolery about to happen.

I do have some - if incredibly minor - reads, and I do believe that Koalawang has proven to be a successful distraction from the primary matter. I should also dare wonder if - and I may be wrong here - this activity is providing power to a role. I would have to investigate the thread a little more, however, I must prepare to take some brave and foolish adventurers to a bandits camp that is attempting to take siege to a dwarven hold - and be likely to return upon the noon.

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I do recall associatives being of no use without flips.

My concerns currently lie with Rathe and Battle Mage. Rathe is strangely absent, and Battle Mage appears elusive.

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When all is said and done... this is an incredibly bizarre sequence of events.

UNVOTE: Korina as I do not believe a random vote is the best way to go.

VOTE: Rathe is an option I do believe will gain value moving forward.

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To be quite honest, I expected a bloodhound-esque role. I do dislike Superb Subtlety's incredibly unsubtle approach to this; as unwarranted as the claim from Korina was, I do feel this aggression is quite unfounded.

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To be quite honest, I expected a bloodhound-esque role. I do dislike Superb Subtlety's incredibly unsubtle approach to this; as unwarranted as the claim from Korina was, I do feel this aggression is quite unfounded.

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VOTE: Rathe is an option I do believe will gain value moving forward.

???

We are quite some way into the game, and your contributions have been nil.

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we're just going in circles, and the only thing I remember about you jj is that you genuinely pissed me off in gamma's game from a while ago.
so, to that end, i'm going to step away from the thread, and not post until I'm off work tomorrow.

pedit:
so did i, or at least a tracker.

Nothing has happened in the game and it is very easy for me on a personal level to be aggressive towards Korina

Perhaps endeavour to not aggravate other participants? It is not enjoyable to watch and most unpleasant to be placed upon the receiving end of such aggression.

but i got coroner, with a gif of a dog digging a hole, which actually does make sense too, but i'd have liked bloodhound/tracker more.

Unfortunately, your GIF has decided not to work for me.

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Regardless of GIF posting, you could have still posed questions and interacted with others here. Given that 327 is your first post actually containing words, I'm sure you can understand my position.

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I would say this is far from at a point where you need to step in and deescalate things considering this has been game related

I've primarily been attempting to correct misconceptions here

Given your target has already expressed frustrations and has had to step away, I feel it a matter of civility and a matter that has certainly escalated beyond a reasonable point.

But that is entirely my view.

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It's a good wagon though

I'm going to continue voting you, noting your tendency to lie about your role

-jj

I'm gonna be honest I don't actually think it is any more

Would this be "Hydra Dissonance" or a genuine turning of the tables?

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For the sake of clarity for anyone who is curious of the time frames, there is approximately 4 hours between 282 and 332.

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It's still all me

Alisae is waiting for me to say something has happened before e steps back into the game

-jj

Then may I enquire as to what changed your mind?

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Oh my, that got interesting.

Regardless of GIF posting, you could have still posed questions and interacted with others here.

k thoughts on april n wheme?

April is not quite as far under the radar as you are, and Wheme I am inclined to believe they are town.
And you? What are your thoughts? We have a leading RVS wagon to spring us forward and a handful of interactions thus far, any thoughts you might care to share with us?

Like, we're not very far into day 1 and a bunch of the pages were taken up by Koalawang so I'm kinda surprised you think I had enough of a read for it to be significant that it has reversed

It was a read you appeared to be quite secure in considering the stage of the game. That is part of what seemed quite unusual to me.

Regardless of GIF posting, you could have still posed questions and interacted with others here.

Posted questions about what?
Give interactions with what?
What would you think in the koalawang content I'd have questions about? Can you point to anything question-worthy within?
What would you think in the koalawang content I'd have interactions with which I didn't already interact with? I was already stretching thin to get what interactions I did.

I realize that koalawang was good fun. I realize it generated some good townreads. But it was incredibly hard for me to play during because it's not something that I can really. Well. Do anything during. (I am an incredibly reactive player. As in, I react to things rather than being proactive. What am I supposed to react to in koalawang? I had nothing to contribute to the koalawang game and the non-koalawang game content to react to was very sparse.)

The immediate uptick in activity from me after it has ended should be evidence enough of this.

Given the initial comment was not aimed at you, I do appreciate your answer. Unlike Rathe, you have still moved to develop some reads and have attempted to generate discussion and advance the day somewhat during our forced RVS extension. If what is claimed is true, then we have to do this daily and it would be wise for us all to continue to attempt to advance the game while in these phases. I have no complaints at all about your contributions at that time. Posing questions could be asking for reads, for players opinions on things, even attempting to build a rapport with other players.

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Wheme I am inclined to believe they are town.

y

You are asking rather a lot of questions giving very answers, now I do appreciate it is past 2AM for both of us, but I do feel you could be a little more engaging...

So far their dedication to their theme of being "The King" has proven to be entertaining and reading into their interactions beyond commenting on the various Koala images I feel they are at least attempting to gain some sense of the day.

Would you perhaps care to add some additional meaning to your votes?

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I believe our gracious King should perhaps take his seat the to throne and have a moment to regroup.

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I believe Korina's claim and I also believe the role would be town aligned.

This amuses me, for linguistic reasons.

WhemeStar has looked incredibly town--tho I lack familiarity, the more and more WhemeStar posts the more I see town. In fact it's probably best to say that WhemeStar and Battle Mage's positions should be reversed: Whemestar as locktown with Battle Mage north of null but not in the same locktown tier as WhemeStar and Smoke/Mirrors and

How can you locktown whemestar?

I do believe that this is simply Mastinas' method of sorting. That I have witnessed it has proven to be quite effective and is certainly something to aspire to. Those locktown reads of hers do remain conditional; it just takes a much greater effort for them to be shaken free of their status.

Mastina is almost certainly scum here tbh. I'm way overgamed giving my time with school going hybrid.
I will not be active this game regardless of alignment so shove shitty arguments about my activity down your throat. They do not apply.
Read up can't remember if I got shit about my activity here or somewhere else. I fucking can't remember but anyways we're getting that out of the way.

Aside from that, Korina is null for me.
I want to see some obvtown from mastina but I am certain that her weird reads, bad reasoning surrounding her read on me, and her lack of obvtownness mean she is scum here.

Her reads aren't terrible but putting me low isn't a masting thing to do.
Bad reasoning is not a tell but for mastina who explains all her reads in ginormous informative paragraphs, this isn't it.
Her lack of obvtownness is concerning. Normally mastina as town never gets heat on day 1 but people are questioning it here and I think that is a huge red flag.

She called me scum the moment she entered the thread and it was a STRONG read, yes?
Why didnt she vote me?

Too many problems with this slot.
I think there is a 75% possibility she is scum but nows the time to obvtown if ur town, massy(I adopted this nickname from johnnyfarrar btw)

VOTE: Mastina

My oh my, such defensiveness! And I don't believe it was questioned? I may well be wrong. It will be shame to have you less active, as I recall you do not enjoy drawing Red and it oft demotivates you. "Shitty argument" aside, I understand your suspicions of Mastina and you do make a valid point. Given the extended RVS stage, however, reads have truly been hard to form and with that taken into consideration, I do believe this may well be a Town Aligned Mastina, and I fear I will know for sure come tomorrow.

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I don't see scum claiming coroner here. This is a pretty odd role to claim. I get it seems desperate but the way they claim and how the claim just screams sincerity to me. Maybe I am just being the naive here but I dont think I can vote Korino. want to give her at least another day to be sorted.

I am confused by Mastina ranking system which seems to only based on the Koala game. Then again i think she did the same thing in the Steven Universe mafia when there was an in-game involve and she was town there as well. Based on meta Mastina is prob town but I do not trust meta so......

Wheme you should not claim....it will only help scum. You are not in any danger right now so claiming is a bad move here.

UNVOTE: Mastina

Apologies, this is the post that provided the linguistic amusement.

Spoiler: Why?

-a is a suffix associated with femininity while -o is associated with masculinity.
That the suffix was subverted to the opposite binary and the opposing pronouns were used does entertain me somewhat, as rude as it is for Korina.

But then it is 5AM and I fear I should sleep.

Farefarren.

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Stealth alts have no right to use meta on me because I have no way to see if your misusing my meta on purpose as scum or if you are talking about a specific game where I believe my town game was not portrayed accurately, etc etc.

You dont get to talk meta if you've concealed your identity.

My identity is concealed for good reasons, I can assure you. You are one of the people I would have no qualms releasing my true identity to. I have no intent to use the meta knowledge I hold against you, as I am aware you are quite busy at the moment - and have witnessed such knowledge backfire upon multiple occasions to the detriment of yourself and your companions.

It has always been my belief that alternate accounts are primarily for the obfuscation of the primary to avoid such uses of meta. It is a slightly underhanded tactic, but no less so than engaging in a hydra, in my opinion.

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Taking a moment to peruse Whemestars posts in isolation, he appears to be quite carefree and pure. The restriction is maintained and he is referencing himself quite often and always in the third person as king while maintaining a relaxed demeanour.

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I personally would not lock a town read this early; Mastina appears to be gauging people upon their entrance to the game and going from there.

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I simply assumed it was the variation of elimination and role reveal used by our moderator.

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I do not believe I am any of the above; but, for what it's worth, I do believe you are town here, Nora. I do hope Battle Mage will provide something alignment indicative with their next post. I do have quite the number of positive reads at the moment, which is slightly disconcerting for me as I suspect at least one may be worthy of suspicion.

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I took the liberty of investigating Mastina's posts to take note of read progression - just in case this post was genuine, and it would indeed look to be a mistake.
Her reads are consistent up to this point, and are consistent after this point.

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Oh my oh my. This has certainly become interesting.

My townreads become confirmed, and some null reads begin to slip away, and some SvT shenanigans have been spotted.

VOTE: Superbly Unsubtle

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I am quite sad to see that Our King has dropped his restriction, but, the benefit is now that we should be able to establish a more accurate read upon their slot.

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Oh good, do you have tea or am I to be expected to provide my own?

Your approach to this reminds me of a rabid dog whom has found a meal. You do not seem to care for the responses being provided at all, nor do you seem to be considering the information that is being presented to you.

You have attempted an assault using metagame information, and when provided with a defence of the same nature you have denied it stating you dislike self meta. How else would you expect a defence to be mounted against such an assault? Your attack is based on information from other games and patterns you appear to have identified. The equivalent defence has been provided and you have dismissed it expecting an in-game defence of action.

While I will admit that simply having a moderator confirmed role aspect does not confirm alignment, for the sake of balancing I do not believe that would be a mafia aligned power; at least for now.

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Oh good, do you have tea or am I to be expected to provide my own?

Your approach to this reminds me of a rabid dog whom has found a meal. You do not seem to care for the responses being provided at all, nor do you seem to be considering the information that is being presented to you.

You have attempted an assault using metagame information, and when provided with a defence of the same nature you have denied it stating you dislike self meta. How else would you expect a defence to be mounted against such an assault? Your attack is based on information from other games and patterns you appear to have identified. The equivalent defence has been provided and you have dismissed it expecting an in-game defence of action.

While I will admit that simply having a moderator confirmed role aspect does not confirm alignment, for the sake of balancing I do not believe that would be a mafia aligned power; at least for now.

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King is saying if your actually tree stumped you changing your vote proves it by it not moving on the next vote count

If you want to miselim me when Krazy just literally told me I am not allowed to unvote Korina for the remainder of this day phase, that’s on you. I’m not disobeying Krazy.

I don't like the refusal to vote somewhere else to prove the prize

Tomorrow will provide proof as I believe the prize will differ. They have stated voting elsewhere will negate their power and yet be counted. You either take them at their word, or you do not.

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Well that was truly frustrating. I had made a rather detailed post, and somehow my browser decided to have some fun it and tossed it aside. Bah.

To quickly surmise, instead of being a proverbial jack hammer and hitting the same point repeatedly, perhaps acknowledge the answer, detail why it is no good, and ask for the detail you require, perhaps even acknowledging politely that it may be you will not get the answer you are looking for.

As for the role... For now I consider it mechanically confirmed. As an anti-town role and assuming a 2 person faction I would consider this to lower their power for this day phase by approximately 40% - unless that vote is placed upon a slot which has become a viable elimination for the day. As town, it does considerably less damage, I'd estimate around 8% of the towns power has been lost during this day phase.

Given the various claims that only anti-town need fear the game, I am slightly suspicious of the awareness of prizes. Tomorrow will provide more information as to the overall impact of the role on the game. Their dedication to it and perceived transparency so far I find to be town aligned. Their rating of my gif I find to be insulting, but fair.

For today, I would suggest leaving them be and watching them when we have a greater knowledge of their potential, and there are other slots worthy of prodding and poking.

I consider myself well versed in the mechanics and shenanigans of the theme queues. I must confess, I am far from what would be considered a good mafia player and my W/L ratio is abysmal. I do look forward to running game weird shenanigans once again... PenguinPower will be amused to learn I was around at the time of 2of4 newbie setups, and was in one of the initial games of that setup. I have taken a rather long break in the interim.

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Nora, while I do consider you town, you are not having your Ice Cream yet.

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PenguinPower will be amused to learn I was around at the time of 2of4 newbie setups, and was in one of the initial games of that setup.

Silly me, forgot to look at your join date.

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Unless I am much mistaken, that would implicate yourself as a cheater who circumvents the rules....

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Ah never mind, I looked back a little.

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Even then, it would still be around a 27% impact in my estimations.

You say nowadays as though this isn't just an alternative account I'm using, and a character I am portraying to ensure no connection is made back.

I have been back on site for a while. I am fully aware it is far to early to begin clearing slots on mechanical information, I am aware there is possible drawbacks to create balancing. My own role allows some good shenanigans and I full expect there to be further shenanigans that interact with my role. My loyalty to my reads will be truly tested and tomorrow will bring forward an entirely different gamestate - barring "Koalawang" of course.

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Ah the Nora tunnel begins. Strap in fellows, this could be a shaky ride!

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Even then, it would still be around a 27% impact in my estimations.

You say nowadays as though this isn't just an alternative account I'm using, and a character I am portraying to ensure no connection is made back.

I have been back on site for a while. I am fully aware it is far to early to begin clearing slots on mechanical information, I am aware there is possible drawbacks to create balancing. My own role allows some good shenanigans and I full expect there to be further shenanigans that interact with my role. My loyalty to my reads will be truly tested and tomorrow will bring forward an entirely different gamestate - barring "Koalawang" of course.

I said nowadays to avoid insulting you if you were an old player because old players have big egos
It was a more tactful way of me doubting your knowledge of the theme queue

It is appreciated. I never allowed the ego of my tweenage self to become overinflated. To be frank I was far to nervous and worried about offending people and being bad at the game. I would say I have matured, alas I have not. The difference now is that I no longer care about being bad, provided I endeavour to make the best efforts I can, enjoy the game, and at least pretend to know what on earth I am doing while earnestly attempting to win.

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The dilemma I face is that Nora is quite fond of these kinds of "cases" and by her own admission she had a habit of tunnelling into another player when playing as scum.

I do believe this fell off as it may have been close into entering trust tell territory.

I firmly believe Nora is town here; she is looking for a reason to find scum, to provoke action and reaction and using strange reading methods.

PEDIT: I am most amused.

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The dilemma was a reflection of her ability to perform those cases as either alignment. There is some rather specific methodologies she maintains through both.


I would appreciate more input from Rathe. I find this slot to be incredibly lacking and demotivated. If I may be blunt I don't believe people are even aware of this slot.

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Thank you for stepping in, Xtoxm. It is very much appreciated.

scum focus on inactives

I believe scum also like to fly under the radar to avoid detection. Your point?

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I will go back to VOTE: Rathe, and I will be keeping an eye out for S&M; and the other will be kept upon SS.

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Now you leave an interesting proposition for me Rathe.

Fortunately, I am well versed in the machinations of questions.

What is the current and detailed state of your reads list?
Why are you deliberately obfuscating information in such a way as to prevent contribution to the town win condition?
Is your intent to purposefully deny the use of potentially your greatest weapon as a member of the town?

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What is the current and detailed state of your reads list?
Why are you deliberately obfuscating information in such a way as to prevent contribution to the town win condition?
Is your intent to purposefully deny the use of potentially your greatest weapon as a member of the town?

i dont have a readslist
i am not i am not a big talker it is true to life i only talk when i have something to say
no and my best weapon is my vote not a readslist

But you do have people you believe are scum, therefore you do have reads and therefore you are capable of the creation of a reads list.

This holds true for myself as well, however, I find people see me as cold and suspicious. This is part of the reason why I adopted this caricature.

As town, your best weapon is your voice, my dear. Your vote is a projection of that voice, to add emphasis and conviction to your words.

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k so what now

So engage with us.

Whom has the greatest chance of being scum in your eyes?
What actions or even inactions have they taken to earn such a low opinion?

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k so what now

So engage with us.

Whom has the greatest chance of being scum in your eyes?
What actions or even inactions have they taken to earn such a low opinion?

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The issue with the hatter at hand is that if we all approached this game in the same manner, there would be no progression. Not only are you required to locate the foul beasts that haunt this town, you have to show that you are town as well.

As you said, scum do indeed pick on the lurkers; but they will also proceed as you are currently. Endeavouring to give out minimal information, staying within the confines of the shadows, repeating what is already said to appease the ears of those who dare issue challenge...

I am one who dares issue challenge, and have no qualm bringing the spotlight firmly upon you so that I may attempt to discern your alignment.

Do you talk more as the game progresses?

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I find myself in agreement with Raya; Proelium Magus is a suitable compromise.

Where Rathe is rather lacking overall, they are consistently so. Battle Mage appears to make several promises that he has failed to keep, many promises of content and potentially alignment revealing thoughts. I find myself unable to reconstruct much of the Mages thoughts nor reads.

VOTE: Battle Mage

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Nice ok so new solve: Mastina/Mad hatters tea party/_______

Oh? Does this mean you have ascertained the truth of my identity? A simple yes or no will suffice.

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UNVOTE: Battle Mage

I am happy with his responses to the situation, he has remained calm and collected - despite his own admission he is easy to rile.

Rathe, your efforts are appreciated. It is nice to have gained the ability to begin to read you.

My dear Noraabear, could you allude as to the reasons for your solve?

As it stands, I am required to reconsider one or two reads of mine. I believe the janitor and coroner need to work out between them whom holds what alignment. Korina and Whemestar I believe?

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Nice ok so new solve: Mastina/Mad hatters tea party/_______

Oh? Does this mean you have ascertained the truth of my identity? A simple yes or no will suffice.

I don’t want to alt fish but I think you once modded a game I was in under a different account. I was also in a hydra in that game.

I don't believe I have, alas I believe this is the first time we have played in the same game at all!

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It is me personal opinion, that in the little time we have available to us we need to compromise and quickly.

I am willing to exile April, Tigger and Wheme. The reasons being "whom?", "By the heavens, stop bouncing!", and "janitor", respectively.

I do not see how a janitor can be a role that is town aligned.

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One thinks that the King should perhaps flavour claim, in addition to their role claim; due to the time constraints, however, this is unlikely to happen.

VOTE: TheFuzzyLogic99 then, as the only viable compromise to me presently.

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How have you missed his soft

Who's the king of the jungle

The Lion is the King of the Jungle, however, a lion does not live in the jungle, nor do they have Kings.

A Janitor would imply a creature such as a Vulture, or certain shrimps

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The path from animal to role PM is not as straightforward as you might think

Koalas are not known for hosting game shows, for example

I am aware, Scar from the Lion King is a likely connection here.

PEDIT: My animal of choice has directly attributed to my abilities. You will see.

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Now before I read the day, I wish to simply state that PenguinPower is the greatest listmod on mafiascum! Such a mighty role of preparing the newbies for their first game upon our great site is one worthy of recognition.

And now to business, still without reading.
VOTE: Smoke and Mirrors - Your loyalty was tested, and you failed the test.

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Oh before I read and no doubt get distracted again, my ultility is spent and I will fullclaim.

I am a Dormouse; a 1-shot combined loyal neighbouriser and compulsive hider, Smoke and Mirrors was my target last night, I have had no response from my action. My understanding of my role PM is that I will resolve before all other actions.

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Crumbs will be provided shortly.

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I am indeed NAR 1. I was unsure if I would be permitted to proclaim that part of my role.

My understanding of the loyal modifier is that my action only succeeds when I target someone of the same alignment, my claim therefore enforces a 1vs1 scenario which is such a suboptimal play to the point of a potential game throw as scum.

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My crumbs.

Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.

Hey in this game I've extra incentive to.

But, if it makes you feel better, I'm not gonna be lighting the way for you; I'm more interested in lighting the way and guiding Smoke/Mirrors, working with them side by side.

Interesting, blazing the trail, and yet not lighting the way.

Personally, I am going to take a rather less urgent approach to the day. My loyalty is hard earned, after all.

Even then, it would still be around a 27% impact in my estimations.

You say nowadays as though this isn't just an alternative account I'm using, and a character I am portraying to ensure no connection is made back.

I have been back on site for a while. I am fully aware it is far to early to begin clearing slots on mechanical information, I am aware there is possible drawbacks to create balancing. My own role allows some good shenanigans and I full expect there to be further shenanigans that interact with my role. My loyalty to my reads will be truly tested and tomorrow will bring forward an entirely different gamestate - barring "Koalawang" of course.

Oh my goodness, this is certainly not polite conversation! I may have to take somebodies eye out!

For what its worth, our first pick was granted.

I will go back to VOTE: Rathe, and I will be keeping an eye out for S&M; and the other will be kept upon SS.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

I dislike the attempt to disengage the 1vs1 the setup has engineered for myself and Smoke and Mirrors.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

That I am aware, the only options available that would save your hides would be a claimed roleblocker or redirector. I do not believe that there is a viable alternative at this stage from a mechanical perspective.

My hide is linked to my neighbourised target.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

As it stands, I believe that I am now mechanically a vanilla townie due to my failed loyal neighbour action.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Well, if it was town who interfered with it then that's cool as they will claim it

I'm not one to leave a guilty hanging, though

I don’t care if you’re purposely being stupid here or what. I’m literally fucking telling you there is no fucking way in hell we’re scum here and I will fucking do whatever’s fucking necessary to prove it because I’m not fucking lying.

i know probably nobody cares, but I don't like or approve of this abusive language. it's completely unnecessary.

Seconded.

I thought based on the phrasing that the neighbouriser and the hider were different actions

I believe this is the function of the combined aspect, my neighbour becomes essentially my lover in that should they die, I would also die, however I would hide behind them every night with whatever consequences that would bring.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Well, if it was town who interfered with it then that's cool as they will claim it

I'm not one to leave a guilty hanging, though

I don’t care if you’re purposely being stupid here or what. I’m literally fucking telling you there is no fucking way in hell we’re scum here and I will fucking do whatever’s fucking necessary to prove it because I’m not fucking lying.

i know probably nobody cares, but I don't like or approve of this abusive language. it's completely unnecessary.

Seconded.

I thought based on the phrasing that the neighbouriser and the hider were different actions

I believe this is the function of the combined aspect, my neighbour becomes essentially my lover in that should they die, I would also die, however I would hide behind them every night with whatever consequences that would bring.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Well, if it was town who interfered with it then that's cool as they will claim it

I'm not one to leave a guilty hanging, though

I don’t care if you’re purposely being stupid here or what. I’m literally fucking telling you there is no fucking way in hell we’re scum here and I will fucking do whatever’s fucking necessary to prove it because I’m not fucking lying.

i know probably nobody cares, but I don't like or approve of this abusive language. it's completely unnecessary.

Well I don’t like being wrongly sr and/or miselimed, so deal with it.

It is unfortunate, however, the mechanical situation implies this is not an miselimination.

Options available to you currently are to provide what information you can should the unfortunate event occur that my action has been affected and you are indeed town.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Unfortunately, it would be the only way to save you currently.

I do not believe you would act in such an irrational manner if you were truly town. You are more fixed on a false positive than on other possible options that could have led there.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

oh, and to whomever imposed the post restriction on me, you have my thanks. As tempting as the negatives were, kudos should be given where it is due.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Unfortunately, it would be the only way to save you currently.

I do not believe you would act in such an irrational manner if you were truly town. You are more fixed on a false positive than on other possible options that could have led there.

You don’t know my meta then because you’d 100% know what you’re saying here is bs. Go ahead, check it.

I will decline, I barely have the concentration to read a game in progress. Noted, however.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Unfortunately, it would be the only way to save you currently.

I do not believe you would act in such an irrational manner if you were truly town. You are more fixed on a false positive than on other possible options that could have led there.

You don’t know my meta then because you’d 100% know what you’re saying here is bs. Go ahead, check it.

I will decline, I barely have the concentration to read a game in progress. Noted, however.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

oh, and to whomever imposed the post restriction on me, you have my thanks. As tempting as the negatives were, kudos should be given where it is due.

You got given a post restriction?

One I have completed. The first post of the day I was to make had some required content or face a penalty. Said content could not be obfuscated, hidden or shenaniganised in any form.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

I am explicitly not done for the day

If you have an explanation for the lack of hood then you should have outed that some time ago. If not, I dunno what would be worth claiming here

Why are you being so antitown?

Flip this next please.

I think it’s pretty damned obvious BM is scum here. How are you seriously not seeing this?

Given that I essentially have a mechanical "not town" result upon you, Battle Mage essentially gains a free pass for the day. Should there be a tomorrow, they will be placed under scrutiny.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Can we elim BM today?

That would be nice.

Yeah, TFL voted BM then immediately tried to shift to people who he said were suspicious for BM votes

He has something to do with MHTP’s results, bank on it.

Some reason you’re ignoring this @MHTP? He’s way to eager to ram my miselim through. This isn’t town. He’s some how responsible for your result.

BM had sus interactions with TFL and now he’s hard driving my miselim. Please think people. God!

Very Well.

Interactions that can prevent my neighbourising are Roleblock and Redirection.
I had claimed no hostile ability, simply that I hold the loyal modifier in 2 crumbs.
Given the great effect of Mastinas claim, she would then become a greater priority target.
A redirection action from yourself to scum seems incredibly unlikely.

If you do flip green, Battle Mage will be subject to scrutiny.
I had claimed I believe Koalawang to be antitown and a distraction ability - balanced by the cost of it this seems appropriate.

Mechanically you are now the best elimination.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Can we elim BM today?

That would be nice.

Yeah, TFL voted BM then immediately tried to shift to people who he said were suspicious for BM votes

He has something to do with MHTP’s results, bank on it.

Some reason you’re ignoring this @MHTP? He’s way to eager to ram my miselim through. This isn’t town. He’s some how responsible for your result.

BM had sus interactions with TFL and now he’s hard driving my miselim. Please think people. God!

Very Well.

Interactions that can prevent my neighbourising are Roleblock and Redirection.
I had claimed no hostile ability, simply that I hold the loyal modifier in 2 crumbs.
Given the great effect of Mastinas claim, she would then become a greater priority target.
A redirection action from yourself to scum seems incredibly unlikely.

If you do flip green, Battle Mage will be subject to scrutiny.
I had claimed I believe Koalawang to be antitown and a distraction ability - balanced by the cost of it this seems appropriate.

Mechanically you are now the best elimination.

are you picking up what i'm putting down?

Possibly not, despite appearances I am not the most intelligent being, I am quite mad you know.

Can we elim BM today?

That would be nice.

Yeah, TFL voted BM then immediately tried to shift to people who he said were suspicious for BM votes

He has something to do with MHTP’s results, bank on it.

Some reason you’re ignoring this @MHTP? He’s way to eager to ram my miselim through. This isn’t town. He’s some how responsible for your result.

BM had sus interactions with TFL and now he’s hard driving my miselim. Please think people. God!

Very Well.

Interactions that can prevent my neighbourising are Roleblock and Redirection.
I had claimed no hostile ability, simply that I hold the loyal modifier in 2 crumbs.
Given the great effect of Mastinas claim, she would then become a greater priority target.
A redirection action from yourself to scum seems incredibly unlikely.

If you do flip green, Battle Mage will be subject to scrutiny.
I had claimed I believe Koalawang to be antitown and a distraction ability - balanced by the cost of it this seems appropriate.

Mechanically you are now the best elimination.

No, and if you were actually using your brain, you would know that it’s BM but I honestly don’t gaf anymore.

VOTE: Smoke and Mirrors

We’re flipping town but since no one’s listening, I don’t want to be in this stupid game anymore.

We require the presence of every person active in the game to provide input. Battle Mage has claimed to target me last night with an investigative role and therefore shall be scrutinised if your elimination is incorrect. Given that I would believe tomorrow would be a massclaim with 2 psuedo-confirmed town aligned players. It would prove interesting.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

For what its worth Mastina, you presence as town would scare the life out of me as scum, and I would be heavily inclined to remove you from the game at the earliest opportunity.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

So there's a good chance if we elim S&M/MHTP then eliminate the other if the first flips town we'll get scum? I am a little worried though because S&M sounds very genuine

I fail to see your logic, Raya, and while this does send my tea cold, it raises the question of your motivations here.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

I assume you mean other than being the greatest of the ListMods and in my opinion an underrated Batman villain, Penguin?

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Full role title not from memory is 1 shot combined loyal neighbouriser-hider, compulsive reactive hider.
The reactive part locks my hiding to my neighbourised target.

As my shot has been spent and failed, I am now essentially vanilla.

A successful action would've granted Smoke and Mirrors a PT with myself, themselves as confirmed town to me, however, my alignment not confirmed to them.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Now if you'll pardon me, I am doing to retire to my teapot for the night.

Twinkle twinkle, little bat.
How I wonder where you're at.
Up above the world so high,
Like a teatray in the sky...

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

so smoke and mirrors wasnt neighborized is this correct

This is correct. I have received moderator confirmation that my action was received. I would assume therefore it was actioned appropriately.

I am curious as to why you have called the end of your game, SAM.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

so smoke and mirrors wasnt neighborized is this correct

This is correct. I have received moderator confirmation that my action was received. I would assume therefore it was actioned appropriately.

I am curious as to why you have called the end of your game, SAM.

Is that a serious question?

Did you see anyone playing?

I do recall you being quite provoking about getting people to play previously, and given your previous comments that "only scum have need to to fear the game" you have theoretically denied town a tool for use in closing the game without a winner.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

so smoke and mirrors wasnt neighborized is this correct

This is correct. I have received moderator confirmation that my action was received. I would assume therefore it was actioned appropriately.

I am curious as to why you have called the end of your game, SAM.

Is that a serious question?

Did you see anyone playing?

I do recall you being quite provoking about getting people to play previously, and given your previous comments that "only scum have need to to fear the game" you have theoretically denied town a tool for use in closing the game without a winner.

You do really good trolls. They should hire you at parties.

Alas, the only party I enjoy is a tea party. Chin chin!

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Open invitation?

Sure go for it, this is probably better than Kolawang anyway.

So we so far have two contenders:

MHTP for saying that according to them, prematurely ending my apparently antitown role hurts town

and 2:

Raya for inexplicably accusing me of rolefishing. Like she’s OOH claiming that I clearly knew about TFL’s neighbourize but then she’s also then not accusing me of saying that to derail my elim but lololol somehow try to “rolefish” her

. Like make up your mind ffs. Yoi either think I’m lying about the neighbourize or you don’t. If you think I’m actually lying about that, there’s absolutely nothing to rolefilsh. Only way that’s even possible is if I’m actually telling the truth because otherwise I’d presumably already know whatever the actual fuck she’s even talking about.

So @Penguin, let’s see if you can top that and you can win the first non-existent

LET’s HAVE FUN TROLLING NANCY PRIZE

. I believe in you dude. Let’s see you top that extremely stiff competition.

lmfaoooo

In the exceptionally unlikely situation that you are town, additional information gained from the day is beneficial to the town.
I may not know you, but I do believe you would not ignore that.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Why don't you say it anyway if it's the truth though

I am looking for a convenient truth

It will only help scum unless it get’s believed which it won’t so no point.

How does it help scum? If you flip town won't it get revealed anyway?

Your play is in line with town!you and if there's a reason that explains the guilty then I am willing to hear you out

There’s something in my role pm about Koalwang having a winner that affects NAs on me. That’s why I canceled it but it won’t matter, because scum will obviously kill MHTP to try and frame me if I survive this day, so that’s why outing that only helps scum.

This information would've been vital sooner, have you crumbed this at all between your heads?

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

VOTE: Smoke and Mirrors

Fuck it!

If Mastina who has never read me wrong can’t tell this is my towngame, then fucking lim me. My slot will be compromised now even if MHTP gets an inno on me.

My shot is fired. I cannot glean any further information from a night action.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

I was granted a post restriction for my first post, the pentaly being 2 negative role modifiers (Asectic/Macho) that that helps at all. Mushroom were not mentioned.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

For what pittance it may be worth, Nancy, I do believe this may be a false guilty from your continued reactions. However, the risk cannot be taken. Would you care to commune with your other head and gather together a reads list?

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

subtlety and mad hatters do u think raya is okay

I am quite fond of our wolfen friend, yes.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

well - given the current mechanics that's not going to happen today

What’s the current mechanics

...the guilty...

Will you vote April if I say I’ll shoot smoke

Given the claims that have been publicised this day, I feel it more beneficial to wait for replacement.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Nancy, I sincerely apologise but I cannot allow you to survive this day phase.

Your role is becoming more and more convoluted as time is passing. My concern at the moment is your claim to negate anti-town day actions, would that then specifically negate a shot upon town, or negate the shot completely? You have no claimed voyeur which if I recall is able to see what actions were performed upon a target.

I do wonder if that would show my targetting you regardless of ascetic?

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Alternatively, it may be wise to advance the town condition and use it upon April and potentially learn if there is a badger/mushroom/??? there.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

What in the Earl Grey is all this business about page tops?

I would disagree, pooky, given my role is essentially a 1 shot cop that provides me a masonry (sadly a neighbourhood for my opposite) if I select town.

I'd say that would be worthy of a Futterwhacken, especially if you do expose yourself as a member of the Red Queens Court.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

@Mod: Could we have a prod on April please?

Nora would be easily tempted back with some Ice Cream I believe.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

April was prodded under 24 hours ago. She will be replaced if she doesn't post, as per the activity rules.

My apologies, I had missed that. Thank you.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

I'm gonna be honest Noraa, I consider you basically conftown but I think you're chronically incorrect on basically every take you've had in the game

This is quite normal for Noraa if we're honest. It is how I've taken to reading her. <snickers>

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Ugh this is why I needed a hydra

You only had to ask, Nora. I, for one, certainly would not have said no.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

I do believe that unfortunately, that may be the last objective to achieve for today. It does that the game has become a touch stagnant.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Then on the other hand, it appears shenanigans may well be afoot.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

I'm gonna be honest Noraa, I consider you basically conftown but I think you're chronically incorrect on basically every take you've had in the game

This is quite normal for Noraa if we're honest. It is how I've taken to reading her. <snickers>

who tf are you and why are you butchering my meta? I have had full sets of correct reads before. I just generally don't have that but your perception of my meta is like absolute garbage from what I've seen so far.

In DBZ I called three people scum on day 1 and not a single one was town. One was sk but that's besides the point. I never have reads that people agree with but that doesn't mean they are always wrong. No one agreed with me in DBZ. I got discredited by stupid ass meta users and it took town far longer to figure out the solve.

Like you seem to think the way to solve this game is by discrediting all my reads just because you dont agree with them. If I agreed with all of your reads, you wouldn't be waving around some shitty meta arguments on me. Throw your shit meta arguments out the window and argue why my SRs are town instead of using my meta to discredit me because that is an asshole move regardless of your alignment and also just means you dont respect me.

imma start alt guessing.
And my first guess is DK. Do you know what that means from me?

I ask that you do not mistake me for that cretin. While I respect their game I do not respect their techniques.
I have incredible amounts of respect for you, Nora, in your game and techniques. My butchering of your meta was intended to be light hearted. I know that when you are locked on to a read, you truly become locked on, and you have been getting less susceptible to tunnelling.

In DBZ you were part of a Hydra, when you are combined with another head it is hard to describe what happens, but it is amazing to watch. As it stands, I judge your reads based on how you read me generally. That is an advantage I lack here, as you do not know with whom you share the table with, I cannot judge your reactions to me accurately. While I feel you are town here, I distrust your reads at the moment. I am certainly keeping them in hat, however. Frankly, the day our reads align and we are both town, well that will be a most frightful day indeed!

Superb Subtly so far is town by motive and intent. I find their play suspicious, however, I would like to see where this power goes.

For what it is worth Nora, I was heavily tempted to target you last night and had spent a good amount of the day debilitating. Simply for the sheer chaotic tea party that would have hopefully happened. As I have said previously, I would attempt to lure you back with Ice Cream.

I will not reveal my identity to you until after the game, and I would hope you keep it close. Now if you wouldn't mind, be a dear and pass the cucumber sandwiches? Not a tea party without them you know!

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

Spoiler: Lady Mastina's Claim

A PLUME OF FLAMES APPEARS ON THE HORIZON

Nobody died in the night.

ACTIVE -- Day 2 Afternoon Sniper -- On Day 2, in the AFTERNOON phase (after the first 72 hours), you may target a player with a killing action. If that player dies, they will show as being killed with

blown away by a high caliber rifle

So I am now doubly conftown from this.

Claim: Phoenix, 1x (publicly announced when consumed) Bulletproof Day and Night Bodyguard

.

During the night, I target a player--that player is, explicitly, protected from harm for that night

and the following day

. (Which means Superb Subtlety cannot die today.) The presence of a scum dayvig confirms that my bodyguard's day-protection ability is real and town.

The announcement was posted, so I was shot last night--

I protected Superb Subtlety N1

. (My role doesn't differentiate between me being directly shot and me being shot in the process of protecting someone, but chances are given the suspicion on me yesterday that I stopped a kill by the scum who tried to shoot Superb Subtlety.)

My NAR priority ranking is 7.

I told you the scum wouldn't be able to stop me and would be caught off-guard.

Why not?

Eh there's actually good reason to not claim some flavors, mine included, since the sort of PR for it is very obvious (tho I assume people will figure it out eventually anyway ).

Phoenix is literally perfect a flavor match for bulletproof bodyguard. Phoenixes are reborn if killed (bulletproof), and are known to be guardians.

I legit actually said this in the first Animals UPick when I submitted the same pick; I said it was a missed opportunity for me to not be either a protective or a bulletproof. (I couldn't think of a way to say that without giving it away tho.) Turns out I got both.

(High chance that if this hydra ever dies it's due to a scum strongman because there's no good reason to not protect them.)

I originally planned to protect Smoke and Mirrors.

Let's light the scum up. <3

Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.

Hey in this game I've extra incentive to.

But, if it makes you feel better, I'm not gonna be lighting the way for you; I'm more interested in lighting the way and guiding Smoke/Mirrors, working with them side by side.

I had extra incentive to do so because my bodyguard protects during the day as well. I didn't think there'd be a scum dayvig so I was thinking that meant that day-protection meant that the slot I was protecting couldn't be eliminated...meaning that if I protected them, they would NEED to be town. Thus, I had incentive to townhunt rather heavily. (Granted, I was wrong, the day protection was protection against the vig.)

Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.

Hey in this game I've extra incentive to.

But, if it makes you feel better, I'm not gonna be lighting the way for you; I'm more interested in lighting the way and guiding Smoke/Mirrors, working with them side by side.

Interesting, blazing the trail, and yet not lighting the way.

I mean trailblazing and lighting the way aren't mutually exclusive.

Pretty self-explanatory.

Krazy gave us the funnest role in this entire game.

I counterclaim funnest role ever.

(Krazy gave me literally the most fun role possible of all time, if I claim it, you'll understand why. )

As for why, I'm going to conditionally explain (ie if SOMETHING specific that I'm looking for happens, I will explain)

You're gonna be awfully disappointed.

I'm never going to be eliminated during the day (tho I will be killed by the scum EVENTUALLY whether they try or not), because people have learned better than to eliminate me when I'm this role.

I do have to use it properly tho and part of proper usage of it is not claiming it.

Ali v Pine called: they want their mastina back. When I said people have learned better than to eliminate me when I'm this role, I was explicitly referring to being a bodyguard in that game and them mislynching me there.

And, one of the main things about my role is that if the scum had a roleblocker they could neuter it--thus why I shouldn't claim it.

Smoke and Mirrors radiate town in a way I've never seen before. They're truly a fire worthy of me, and I am naturally attracted to them as a strong townread here.

This was my way of 'crumbing I was planning to protect Smoke and Mirrors.

I do believe this may well be a Town Aligned Mastina, and I fear I will know for sure come tomorrow.

Well there's like at least a 33-50% chance that the entire town will know I'm town tomorrow, depending on how the night plays out. (I have a conditional way to become publicly confirmed, but it requires certain conditions to be met and those conditions are entirely out of my control.)

The public confirmation is that I'd, after being shot, have the public flavor posted of the plume of flames along with the song being posted.

It being entirely out of my control is because it requires either the scum to directly shoot me or the scum to shoot who I was protecting.

there's been plenty of softclaims.

I literally posted a picture of a flame here, as about as unsubtle of a "I'm a phoenix" 'crumb you can get.

it almost feels like you want to be killed.

Oh I do, by the scum.

It'll be something that they can't avoid doing btw. It'll happen whether they want it to or not, because they can't prevent it. I am going to be killed by the scum; I'm too powerful for them to not.

I just feel like town is weak

Claimed

town might be weak, but I assure you that

softclaimed

town is in fact appropriately strong. My role is legit ridiculously so strong it can singlehandedly win the town the game. Which is why I am so confident scum WILL kill me. (But while softing my role is all good and well, I do want to reiterate that hardclaiming it would actually be very bad on D1.)

Scum can't avoid killing a bodyguard because unless they have a roleblocker, I can protect a player from their nightkill, stopping it dead in its tracks. My role is incredibly strong and can singlehandedly win the town the game, but hardclaiming it on D1 when there's still a good chance of a scum roleblocker would've been suboptimal.

where mastina declared immortality

Funny you should mention immortality given my role.
(I gave Krazy three picks, my first which he went with has a strong association with that word.)

VOTE: Mastina
this is town and anyone not agreeing with it will be looked at tomorrow after her green flip/scum shot.

Fixed that for you.

I don't like all this softclaiming of having such a super strong role. This isn't how town handles having a strong PR on day 1

It is when you know what the role is and the player handling it.

I can get away with softing it because scum can't do anything about it.

Claiming the role is sub-optimal D1, but it doesn't really matter

that

much--the play is mostly the same regardless of whether I claim it, don't claim it with softclaims, or don't claim it with no claims. I just prefer the middle option because I like to.

I guarantee that were I to claim you would know why I've said everything I have and agree with it, that everything I said was true, that there isn't MUCH of a difference between me claiming it and not claiming it, but that I am right in my assessment that while it doesn't matter much, claiming it on D1 is still notably suboptimal to not claiming it.

Plus, scum aren't gonna

actually

guess my role in spite of the softclaims. They can't. I am so confident that they can't guess my role that it allows me that freedom to softclaim all I like. I can be as blatant as I want with my soft; the scum still won't know what hits 'em until I fullclaim.


Smoke and Mirrors are town by play and town by claim. Their play more recently is less town than I'd prefer, but their early play radiated town in a way I don't think is scum. Even without that, their role is one that I don't think is scum, and we have mod confirmation that it IS a real role. Or close enough. (The mod has confirmed the existence of koalawang being a game mechanic; the prizes for it aren't confirmed but the mod-confirmation of koalawang being a thing confirms the role, the details of the role are frankly irrelevant.)

Superb Subtlety are clearly town here--given my slight doubt in Smoke/Mirrors, I actually am thinking of backing them up. In many ways, they're the inverse to Smoke/Mirrors: instead of starting strong and degrading to 'okay', they started 'okay' and have gotten stronger and stronger later into the day.

I hinted at my role because phoenixes are strongly associated with immortality. I said that scum would shoot me and that I would be revealed pretty much. I can get away with softing being both bulletproof and a bodyguard because as long as I don't hardclaim my role, it'd be impossible for the scum to guess I was both. They MIGHT be able to guess I am bulletproof; they MIGHT be able to guess I am a protective; they would be unable to guess that I was BOTH. There isn't much of a difference between me claiming and not claiming, but the risk of a scum roleblocker meant it was suboptimal to do on D1.

Here is also the post where I decided to switch in plans from protecting Smoke/Mirrors to protecting Superb Subtlety.

If you're scum and using this for survival then I'm fine with leaving you be until D2, but I still think you're scummy so maybe D2 would be a good day to claim considering it doesn't make much of a difference

I mean there's a chance I won't need to--if the mod confirms my claim publicly inthread for me, no need for me to do so.

It's not a surefire thing to happen, but there's a reasonably decent chance of it happening.

So long as I protected the right slot it was pretty damn likely I was going to burn my bulletproof. I correctly identified Superb Subtlety as being the right protection.

Soyeah, this is what I meant on D1.

I'm

pretty

sure, given the suspicion on me D1, in spite of my softclaims scum did not directly shoot me; I'm fairly certain they shot Superb Subtlety, who I then saved.

Mastina was indeed single shot. I do not believe the Lady can target again.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

I ask that you do not mistake me for that cretin. While I respect their game I do not respect their techniques.
I have incredible amounts of respect for you, Nora, in your game and techniques. My butchering of your meta was intended to be light hearted. I know that when you are locked on to a read, you truly become locked on, and you have been getting less susceptible to tunnelling.

In DBZ you were part of a Hydra, when you are combined with another head it is hard to describe what happens, but it is amazing to watch. As it stands, I judge your reads based on how you read me generally. That is an advantage I lack here, as you do not know with whom you share the table with, I cannot judge your reactions to me accurately. While I feel you are town here, I distrust your reads at the moment. I am certainly keeping them in hat, however. Frankly, the day our reads align and we are both town, well that will be a most frightful day indeed!

Superb Subtly so far is town by motive and intent. I find their play suspicious, however, I would like to see where this power goes.

For what it is worth Nora, I was heavily tempted to target you last night and had spent a good amount of the day debilitating. Simply for the sheer chaotic tea party that would have hopefully happened. As I have said previously, I would attempt to lure you back with Ice Cream.

I will not reveal my identity to you until after the game, and I would hope you keep it close. Now if you wouldn't mind, be a dear and pass the cucumber sandwiches? Not a tea party without them you know!

I don't care who you are. You either don't talk to me or about me or you try to change my opinion. You will not discredit my reads on the side and if the person you claimed a guilty on flips town, you die tomorrow.
Everything language wise from you reminds me of clidd but he told me he didn't wanna hydra me.

The language use is simply a facet of the persona I have adopted for this account. I am confirmed town via Battle Mages investigation upon me.
Again, as I always do, I approach you with humour and the intent for a fun game. I do appear to have agitated you and so I do hope you will accept my apologies.

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I believe at this point we await the replacement for April.

Superb has only 1 claim I believe, either the remaining two have fallen to April, my post restriction was one of them, or someone is withholding information.

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You also requested everyone besides myself, in the hope of not agitating you more I opted only to provide that which was relevant to me, but as you wish. This is as I can recall and from a rapid skim through the start of the day.

Mastina Protected Superb Subtly and the kill was prevented - claimed Phoenix as a 1-shot bulletproof bodyguard.
I targetted SaM and failed, I claimed Dormouse/Loyal 1-Shot neighbouriser and implied a mechanical guilty due to the failed loyal action.
Battle Mage claims to have investigated me and returned town, verifying my claim partially.

SaM have claimed ascetic in response to my failed action, in post 1380.

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Raya has claimed the ability to neighbourise people as well, targeting TFL during D1, though I cannot remember where that is.

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in the hope of not agitating you more I opted only to provide that which was relevant to me

You sound pretty salty which could be scum indicative but I don't know your id so that depends.

I can assure you that I am sincere.

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Final reads would be good though.

My only read is no one wants this day to be over faster than me but it’s seriously antitown that people are trying to derail jjh’s attempt to find out where all of the badger videos are.

This appears off to me. While your asectic claim may well be true, claiming it as late as you did is rather suspicious.

I also put it to you that my punishment for failing my task would have been to become an Ascetic Macho Dormouse. Which means I believe you may have failed something expected of yourself at the start of the day due to the timing of your claim.

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@jjh do you have all your video/shrooms/whatever yet because no one is going to believe that my role pm is so confusing and convoluted, not even Pooky who isn’t terrible at mech, could understand it.

So, how much longer is it necessary to prolong the torture? It’s seriously no fun not to be believed, when nothing you say/do matters. No matter what I say/do here I’m met with the same result so if you don’t think there’s even a snowball’s chance in hell I’m not today’s elim, can we please ehd this sooner than later? Prolonging this is just seriously agony for me at this point. I unvoted because you asked me to and to help you find your video results but if not even you believe in me, I really don’t know how much longer I can tolerate this. Please, don’t drag this out too much longer, thanks.

If no one gives me an iota of hope and this gets to E -1, I will self-hammer.

I do sympathise with you, truly. This must be an absolutely unbearable situation for you and now a replacement for April has been found, I would hope your suffering ends soon.

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u can ask me questions i guess

What are your thought of this day so far? Of the claims, made and results given? Should my result be correct and SaM flips scum, is there anyone you would believe to be their partner?

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Part of the game we play is not just to establish reads on a per-person basis, but on the value of interactions between two people.

For example, the heated interacted between SaM and Raya would indicate they are absolutely not scum together. Nora's persistence on several reads would indicate a very limited partner pool if she is scum, her pushes upon TheFuzzyLogic would further indicate she is town.

Again, if it helps, type things out and make notes. I have a notepad in my browser I use for this purpose.

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Sadly, that only acts to further incriminate you due to to the contradictions presented previous with regards to previously claimed aspects.

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Part of the game we play is not just to establish reads on a per-person basis, but on the value of interactions between two people.

i know but this is hard cuz it can be faked

Not so, theatrics are something to be considered yes, but you can generally observe the depth of the interaction, how easily it is dismissed, how deep does it probe?

For example, the heated interacted between SaM and Raya would indicate they are absolutely not scum together.

y u cant know anything until there is a flip

The intensity of the assault, the emotions that were provoked and the depth both players achieved in their duet. Two scum would not interact in such a way to incriminate their own as it harms both their numbers and chances of winning.

It is possible that one is scum, and the other is town. I strongly believe that Smoke and Mirrors is the anti-town party in that interaction, and Raya is the town party.

Nora's persistence on several reads would indicate a very limited partner pool if she is scum, her pushes upon TheFuzzyLogic would further indicate she is town.

but noraabear didnt really push fuzzy
wheme was the one to push fuzzy

Which would indicate Whemestar is town aligned - unless you consider the push to be shallow and an effort to appear as though they are not aligned.

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PenguinPower is the greatest listmod on mafiascum and I am in awe of his ability to take pagetops- it is certain that Xtoxm must be fearful of the consequences of denying a pagetop to PenguinPower or he would have taken this one with a buffer post to post the flip on.

Good to see another pay their respects to the listmod.

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On another note, who got badgers?

I didn't even get a day-start message.

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Rathe, when you see this, we are at a point of the game where you are nigh on required to begin contributing and hunting. As it stands, you are prominently placed within my PoE by the virtue of your lack of contributions.
Please make efforts to validate yourself as town.

Preview Edit: I concur with the fullclaim.

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@Mod: Is there any additional flavour to join Mastinas' demise? Previously posted Role Cards indicate flavour associated with death - and is my reason for seeking verification.

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Also, correct me if I am wrong but lions do not cause eardrums to explode

They can roar pretty damn loudly

This is quite incorrect, The Majestic Roar of the lion is actually quite pitiful.

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I don’t think king needs to say

BY ROYAL DECREE OF THE HER MAGNIFICENT MAJESTIC MAGESTY, THE ONE WHOM ALL IN THE REALMS SHALL OBEY, THE QUEEN OF HEARTS HERSELF, QUEEN IRACEBETH OF CRIMS.
Whemestar you are hereby ordered to begin the massclaim process with a full and complete claim. This includes and shall not be limited too, all flavours, actions, assignments, non-actions, visitations, tea parties, etcetera etcetera etcetera.

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Of course, I am still catching up...

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I am here. My preference of turn is currently:

• Whemestar
  
• Rathe
  
• Penguin Power
  
• JacksonVirgo
  
• Superb Subtley
  
• Battle Mage
  
• Noraabear
  
• Korina
  
• Raya

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My claim has already been given in full, but to ensure all claims are gathered in one place.

I was a Single Shot combined loyal neighbouriser-hider and compulsive-reactive hider.
My shot was targeted at Smoke and Mirrors, which failed.

My flavour is a Dormouse.

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Then you have declared yourself an enemy of the town. VOTE: Whemestar

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Battle mage has already half claimed though

Which is my reasoning for moving him down the list. I have a strong bias towards his affiliation being with the town.

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Why would I claim first I am obv town

You are currently my first and greatest suspect. You are not obviously town.

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I do believe I missed your claim PenguinPower, but you will observe for clarity that I was to gather all claims together in one place for simplicity.

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My kill flavor is nothing like bursting air drums

Therefore you confirm you have kill flavour.

You claim will be within your next post, otherwise you will be considered to be an active hinderance to town, and if you are not scum by assignment, you are scum in spirit.

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Ye merciful gods... and I was admonished for pointing out the lack of kill flavour.

The Mome Rathes are more orderly.

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Ah, very well then.

VOTE: Battle Mage

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This was an incredible game and setup.

Many thanks, once again to Xtoxm to stepping in for us.

For what it's worth, I was heavily debating aiming at someone I had a strong townread on, or using the shot - as I did - upon someone I suspect.

Kudos to you as well, Battle Mage. you played well.

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I consider mine to be quite conditional.

If I had hit town, they would have a neighbour hood while I have a confirmation.
Hitting scum is where the maximum power of my potential was, and I was most fortunate to meet that potential.

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I am most thankful that in the theatrical and rather absurd nature of the caricature I play upon this account made crumbing so much easier.

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I believe that in my own configurations and compositions additional kills seem to grant a great amount of weight to a faction, that there was an additional kill potential amongst the mafia faction seems to imply some quite heavy bias towards them.

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And this is why Nora has earned her place on my "To be feared" list.

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In your situation Nancy, I would have fully commited to the self-hammer. Prolonging the day is only going to provide town with additional power and talk time.

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60% kill rate, tis the deadliest of kitties.

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I have no issue with my PT being released.

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Sadly a kill upon myself would have failed, with thanks to Rayas efforts.

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Sadly a kill upon myself would have failed, with thanks to Rayas efforts.

On Night 1 because she apparently jailed you? Well in that case we were totally fucked straight our of the gate.

A night 2 attempt, apologies. I believed that is when you meant.

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There's no such thing as a red role PM, only masons with a nightkill

This is an absolutely superb way to look at it.