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imo chance the setup is just nightless is higher than the alternatives of 1- a 2p scumteam (which is higher scum EV that nightless if we're talking 10-2) or 2- that we got the specific heal/other standard explanation for a kill not happening or 3 - ? person scumteam with a hectic gimmick
9-3 with 2 town lovers and a 5p hood just feels incredibly scumsided. like that's 84% scum win before poweroles... but that's taking the 11p and mafia have the boost of either a second kill with the lovers, or always being at even numbers in day (both of which reduce town EV). like with what we've seen so far 3 scum/nightly kill/lovers/other prs being what they look like then we'd be approaching 90% scum win by EVs (which we all know are probably alowestimate based on RC/Mathdino's charisma ev stuff) and i think hectic prefers to balance setups slightly towards town and i know for sure he knows about the EV project stuff, so i don't see this being 9-3 with a nightly kill.
scum could also be an alien faction with 1 kill or s/thing. i could see aliens fitting in with a 'love' flavoured setup. there could be a whole twist about ydrasse's letters that wayThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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the slots people care about in rough order
(you & Clidd/Ashoka) because they were in a toxic1v1 earlier. Ashoka had a claim which some people don't like
(Uncrowned/ABR)- have been getting decent amounts of attention
(Hopkirk/Pooky)- i think most people TR these slots
(Alisae/MT/Kanna)- i don't think anyone's tried to push these slots meaningfully this gameThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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uh... so as scum (when there's 10 alive) you're saying that menal would think it's a good idea to signal to a partner thinking someone in the thread might respond suggesting who to kill, that person would die, and it wouldn't be considered sus? how exactly does menal's partner respond to that in a way that doesn't draw attention? like can you think of a phrasing? this feels incredibly bad as a strat given last night was at even numbers anyway, where scum sometimes consider no killing anyway if unafaid of prs.In post 1884, Alisae wrote:
why are people suggesting that you scumslipped when thats not what I'm suggesting at allIn post 1878, Menalque wrote:But also in a sec we’re gonna talk about how laughable it is that you were trying to argue I scumslipped with my opening posts
I suggested you randed a role that doesn't have scum PT access and requires you to coordinate the scumkill with another player {probably Uncrowned} but you failed to do even that.
That's not a scum slip.
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also, why do you want to flip menal first if you think they need to coordinate a pick? surely the ideal situation would be to go for his partners first since scum might lose their kill tonight because menal couldn't coordinate with them.
it's much more likely scum just have 1-shot or 0-shot kill. i have no idea where your theory is coming from and i don't think it holds up.
my vote is on mena btw, your idea of their role isn't part of thatThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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and if someone jokingly responds 'yeah we'll kill x' then that person dies? i don't get why you think a role like that existsIn post 1893, Alisae wrote:
As a joke? Ya he could probably get away with it if he had that role, but I don't think anyone would bat an eye if someone died. I think if one of the players flipped then things look bad.In post 1890, Hopkirk wrote:uh... so as scum (when there's 10 alive) you're saying that menal would think it's a good idea to signal to a partner thinking someone in the thread might respond suggesting who to kill, that person would die, and it wouldn't be considered sus? how exactly does menal's partner respond to that in a way that doesn't draw attention? like can you think of a phrasing? this feels incredibly bad as a strat given last night was at even numbers anyway, where scum sometimes consider no killing anyway if unafaid of prs.
you're giving the idea too much confidence. you thinking of an idea, without overt reasons to do so, isn't a reasonable reason to privileged that idea over the alternatives
poe from having lots of townreadsIn post 1895, Menalque wrote:Hop, why do you think I’m scum?
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scum can't killIn post 1897, Alisae wrote:
i mean no one else has came up with an explanation about why the kill failed that wasn't "scum can't kill" or "scum loverize players during the night instead of killing them" so like /shrugIn post 1894, Menalque wrote:I wouldn’t expect you to know that specific joke ali, I just think it’s a bizarre place for your mind to go
I found the most recent example of me doing it btw viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84457
scum have limited kills
doctor/other role related reasons
scum chose to no kill
setup stuff
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ABR shares my poe 1640 and followed me onto uncrowned/clidd and has said he'd prefer you, so i don't see enough partners currently. there's some townie perspective in there in quite a few places. could be possible with Ashoka/? i suppose
Kanna i'm sheeping pooky's 'literally 100%' read, i can barely remember their posting
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See, no kill. Also, FL's partners assumedly didn't know them either.
Game is solved though. Flip mena, if town I use my one shot weak ability (not full claim) uncrowned or maybe ABR. If scum I potentially use it anyway depending on how sus I am. I wanted to flip menal first because I was leaning ahsoka over Clidd but felt like getrimg confirmation with my role. That's why I kept saying let's vote menal then I'll use assorted random actions on Clidd.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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I was less sure that ashokas role was fake than other people (hence less sure on Clidd/Ashoka) because the logic pooky used to justify ashoka's role being very unlikely also made my role very unlikely... which explains the whole no no thing.
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One shot weak loveriser + 2 town lovers + neighbour/one shot neogjbouriser + FLs scum role + 2 unclaimed town + 5 hood with 2 scum.
Hey Alisae, see why before I realized it had to be nightless I was pissed when you fakeclaimed doc and I kept asking you to make 100% sure because I said I was considering claiming?
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Also hectic literally just finished modding a game where the scum had to kill 4 of themselves n1, couldn't kill any town except through voting before the 6p, then potentially be forced to shoot scum n2. It's really not something that you shouldn't expect in a hectic game.In post 2026, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
the last time I was scum in a hectic game, my role pm said I had a factional nightkill.In post 2020, Alisae wrote:
REPUTATION?????????????????In post 2015, Morning Tweet wrote:i dont really see what's stopping Ydrasse/Hectic from designing a secret nightless though especially when it goes so well with the finding lost lover sort of theme
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Example of me softing yesterday.In post 1784, Hopkirk wrote:the current consensusy solve is something like 1 of (AFLNSG+Clidd) and 2 of (ABR+Uncrowned+Menal) right?
Menal probably flips scum with either FL or Clidd so why don't we just yeet Menal then I cop check Clidd, easy
VOTE: menal I'm just going to go on here actively btw since people are commenting that I wasn't on the wagon yesterday when I very clearly supported the wagon and was willing to join, I just prefered a different wagon on different scum first.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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I target someone. If scum I die. If town we're lovers and get a quicktopic.In post 2040, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
can you explain what this role is pls?In post 2028, Hopkirk wrote:One shot weak loveriser
Assuming this is fully nightless then if we flip town today then my target's role is confirmed either way. If we flip scum I need to run the calcs on whether I still do it.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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And yet it's confirmable. Why isn't it real?In post 2044, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:there's no way that's a real roleThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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It confirms that we're loversIn post 2049, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:does it confirm you to the person you target as town?There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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I'm going to ask you to reread because if you've missed this then you've missed other stuff/haven't understood the claim. I'm talking about how I'm going to use a one shot action in the future right now.In post 2053, Alisae wrote:wait who did u target?There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Yes, points 1/2 are obvious, I've previously asked the mod about point 3 as I wasn't sure, 4 is inherent in weak.In post 2054, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:so if you loverize Alisae and Alisae is town, you will become lovers with Alisae
Alisae will be informed you are now Alisae's lover
Alisae will not know if you are scum or town
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Is this you conceding as scum due to my claim?
I had a specific 3p solve and was voting a different one. Are you arguing that I wasn't willing to switch to FL when I made it very clear I was willing based on everything I was saying?In post 2060, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:well you did try to save Flavor Leaf and there are crumbs from you to him and I'm not sure if your role makes sense in the setup.
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@uncronwned - I felt like you were overly tunnely and not really prone to reconsidering reads. It made you hard to townread/work with from my perspective. Idk if that's a common theme in your games, but that was my perspective on it.
FL- with regard to what your were complaining about with people being more likely to vote you because it's you... it feels like that's self inflicted. I generally give townpoints to semi convincing ATE until I see the person do it as scum, so you've lost a reason I'd have to TR you in future.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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'Star crossed lovers'
I liked the twist on Romeo and Juliet here where Romeo dies and Juliet buys an AK and goes on a revenge based murder rampage. Feel free to make the movie if you want FL.
This concede probably hurt the mods who I'm assuming may have written flavour in advance for future days. Poor ydrasse , I'll read it if you want to post it.
Kind of surprised to see that hectic didn't modkill kanna again, I guess it's because she was in the game this time, unlike death curse.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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I never suspected kanna or you that I'm aware of. I might have mentioned I was considering you, but that means I haven't sorted you yet, not that I think you're scum. When I sorted you both you were sorted easily as town.In post 2114, Morning Tweet wrote:Sorry Hop i just thought your reasoning end of D2 was forced but now I see the claim might have messed w/ it + I got sus since you suspected kanna/me/unc at different points and still to at least some extentThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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i'm not sure it's fair to blame Menal for low activity when they were illIn post 2137, Alisae wrote:
I want to get a partner thatIn post 2135, Hopkirk wrote:tbh i just want to see a game where all of three scum hard TR each other from d1 and just vouch for each other on meta and get suspicious of people doubting their strong townreads. Now that would mess with my heuristics.
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a good partner do you mean?In post 2139, Alisae wrote:I haven't gotten a partner since Flopz and in that game koba just kinda lost the game for town by themself.
that game was a great meme. Flopz kept killing the people who's posts he liked reading/made the game fun for him (me then hectic) then started not enjoying the game as much forimpossible to understand reasonsThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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let's take best caseIn post 2147, Alisae wrote:idunno guys what do you think?
-Menal dies 7 alive
-Hop clears uncrowned or ABR (probably ABR because uncrowned would be more likely to vote me anyway based on their trajectory and waste the clear)
-you kill Pooky since you wanted to last night
D3 - 6 alive. Vote off other off say uncrowned then you kill me and abr
N3 - you kill Clidd because
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if pooky dies i'd still have claimed there because pooky wasn't in my poe(s) so 2 people die next night and you lose one of the mislethals you're modelling i think?
d3- mena dies
n3 - ABR/Hop die
d4- Uncrowned dies
Leaves you in a 4p lelo of (you/Kanna/Clidd/MT), is that so much better for you? Realistically it just means you're in lelo with the person who's townie enough you wouldn't bring them to lelo instead of without them right?
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Well we've heard Alisae big up Hopkirk and Flopz here, it's uncontroversial to say that Hectic is amazing, and everyone knows how terrifying Zaiden can be. They'd make a pretty good team 'team 'team' team' team, don't you think?
pedit - i don't think the setup is townsided without me. it's slightly scumsided without me since straight up 9-3 is perfectly balanced, you can kill if one of you/menal dies which is a big swing towards scum (9-3 night included is what 80%+ scum win), town lovers are -ve utility. You do need something like me to swing it back to town, otherwise your kill being there at all and especially being there every night after one scum dies is heavily scumsided. Like without me and without the kill at all this is either very lightly scumsided (depending on what the two unclaimed town prs are though here)There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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and we buy the concession and are treating this as postgame nowIn post 2163, Kanna wrote:
*belated wave*In post 1918, Menalque wrote:Hi kanna *waves*
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well we fastballed the d1 vote, just make the speedrun gambit and joke about killing someone in the hood, kill them, drive a quickwagon on someone in the hood, openly coordinate the kill on the last person in the hood from inside the hood while they watch in helpless terror and you've built your own scum QT.
sure, it's not a great play, but how often do you get the chance to make your own scum-QT in a setup where you don't have a QT.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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i would say that being scum with a daychat sounds a lot more fun than being scum without a daychatIn post 2177, Alisae wrote:like ig the setup looks fine and balanced its just a game thats more fun for the mod to watch than it is for the players to play like I think its very likely that if u ask the scum players in this setup if they're having a good time they're likely going to respond with no.
Scum can only truely have fun in the setup when all of the scum are working together and are perfectly in sync.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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