Mini 653 - Family Guy Mafia - Game over

[Xtoxm]

Yeh, well he did say a few things about Cleveland being such a nice guy.

I have a few sentences too.

Why don't you check his isolation? I really think we've got all we can out of him, lol.

[Xtoxm]

I did answer it, KMD. Why don't you read the thread? You clearly haven't been reading it all if you missed me answering that.

EK - That's all well and good, but is a scum inventor possible, do you think?

All we will have confirmed is him being an inventor.

Deadline coming up, so we need to make a wagon soon.

And I really don't want to lynch EK.

[Xtoxm]

Why would he claim inventor if he can't prove himself?

[Xtoxm]

Hmm, it's possible.

[Xtoxm]

Well, the problem with saying something like that is if he's town it tells scum what to do. But, I guess him being blocked (if scum have a blocker) wouldn't be much of a loss, Inventor isn't much of a role imo.

I have seen townies misread PM's before, btw.

So - Let's say we're not lynching him, who would you want lynched EK?

[Xtoxm]

I think EK should get his invention.

[Xtoxm]

If you got NKed EK, i'd consider it worth it

Who do you think we should lynch then, Xtoxm?

Well, it's more a question of who I don't want to lynch.

Me
Rock
RF
EK
STD
TT
IG
LF (Huh...You did make it...)

That leaves

Kloud
KMD
Reborn
GW

With Kloud, I oscillate...Sometimes I find him scummy, somtimes i'd find him town.

I will happily wagon KMD, GW, Reborn at this point, I guess.

[Xtoxm]

Nah, she looks good to me.

[Xtoxm]

It would be risky to claim he gave it to a scumpartner, and have the partner confirm a lie, in the sense that if one gets caught the other is automatically also caught.

[Xtoxm]

Caught in a lie, that is. If theoretical partner gets caught idepentantly is says nothing about Inventor.

[Xtoxm]

We probably shouldn't lynch him today though...

[Xtoxm]

This has slowed right down.

We need to get a lynch together in like 3 days.

[Xtoxm]

What made you change your mind about me between when you said you thought I was town and would be good to have around for scumhunting, and that post?

Apart from that i'm largely agreeing with you.

[Xtoxm]

Mm, ok.

Well, i'm thinking my lover is town, and even if BG is scum, is it not best to try and lynch the other scum first?

[Xtoxm]

I know what you mean...I'm feeling the same...My lynch list for today is almost exclusively made up of the ones i'm not against lynching today for some reason or other...

[Xtoxm]

No.

[Xtoxm]

What WIFOM?

It's pretty damned obvious that we aren't going to die tonight, even if we are both town the chance of us being lynched is too great.

[Xtoxm]

Anyway, we've now only got 2 days left, and we're not very close to a lynch.

Are we just going to lynch Reborn, or what?

[Xtoxm]

Who would you rather lynch?

[Xtoxm]

I'm a little wary of Thinktank at the moment. Something about him is bugging me.

His tunnelvision on lynching the lovers even thought atleast one of us is garanteed to be town?

[Xtoxm]

Misinterpretation is not telling, really. You can get a fake claim wrong, infact i'd think taht's probably more likely.

On the RB, when I first joined I stick for assuming scum had an RB (I was town).

I find usually scum do have an RB, though not always.

[Xtoxm]

Llama - To gain your vote, you have to sacrifice your power, right?

Can you do that in the same night as using your power?

Either way, I advise gaining your vote on N2, I think by that stage town will need it.

[Xtoxm]

His tunnelvision in general, as it seems he does not have much to say about the game other than what he is currently doing.

It's starting to annoy me, especially as I really am thinking he's town. Same for IG. We need everyone participating.

[Xtoxm]

I think it's well possible, and I would be open to another wagon, as listed.

It's just that his recent actions really pissed me off...

[Xtoxm]

Yes, ofcourse.

That's pretty nice though, I didn't realise you could have a normal JOAT action one night.

[Xtoxm]

Kloud, you express extreme confidence in BG being scum. (Ignoring the fact that I disagree with you) This should mean you have extreme confidence that I am town. Yet you express some suspicion for me, too. This makes no sense.

Why is this?

[Xtoxm]

Thnx, Reborn, I appreciate it

I can get very emotional over personal attacks...

And seriously, no. Scum lovers are not possible. Not in this situation. The scum are not going to be attached with a cripling attritube like that...In the least, everyone else would be VT's.

(And i'm saying that from a 3rd party opinion, excluding the knowledge I have that i'm town)

[Xtoxm]

Well, like I said, i'm open to changing.

If you want to get a new wagon going, just saying "I want anyone else lynched" isn't enough.

If you are so confident, then try to instigate a new wagon on who you think is scum.

We're close to deadline now. I'll be around when deadline hits, but i'm sure atleast half the town won't.

[Xtoxm]

You would rather yourself be lynched than certain people?

[Xtoxm]

Mmm. Good post.

I think I voted you mainly out of annoyance for you being silly rather than actually finding you scummy.

I am feeling that this is a mislynch. As STD pointed out, I did find your predecessor pro-town, and everything you said before page 35 (or whatever it was) pro-town.

Unvote

, but i'm really not sure where to put it right now. Perhaps the discrepancy I noticed with Kloud is vote worthy.

I think scum must be playing quite well, cause i'm not getting a great deal, atm.

[Xtoxm]

Kloud, you express extreme confidence in BG being scum. (Ignoring the fact that I disagree with you) This should mean you have extreme confidence that I am town. Yet you express some suspicion for me, too. This makes no sense.

Why is this?

^^

[Xtoxm]

Possibly.

I can't shake this town feel I get from him though.

[Xtoxm]

I may go for this one.

I'll see what RF thinks after the reread.

[Xtoxm]

Honestly, if I was a non-lover townie in this situation, I would use this line that i've used on a few occasions now.

It's possible, but I feel the possibility is so small that we can ignore it.

[Xtoxm]

Both of the following are quotes taken from the rules:

If majority is not reached by deadline the person with the highest votes is lynched.

If you do not have a majority when deadline arrives, there will be no lynch.

I find this somewhat contradictory.

We should clear this up with the mod when she gets back.

I hope the first one is the correct one.

[Xtoxm]

Good line.
I may start using that in mafia.
This is a good place to use it too.

Thnx

First used it in a situation where the possibility of a scum mason had been brought up.

Both the masons turned out to be town

[Xtoxm]

Hai Farside!!!

Could you clear up my question I just brought up, please?

[Xtoxm]

Hmm, it could be. But there's still confusion, i'd like it set straight.

[Xtoxm]

Nice Analysis RF.

Just one point:

Really? He figured that out? Somehow I have a hard time believing that. Of all the connected type roles he thought lovers? I don't know about you guys, but I definitely would think masons before lovers. I'm not sure I believe him. Sounds like it could be an attempt to appear insightful.

I

do

remember this incident (yay for my random memory) and he said it after BG claimed lover, he was just going to mention that after he'd seen the lover claim, that I could be the lover, not before BG claimed it.

But still, liked what you said, was waiting to see what you thought.

I'm sold.

Vote TT

[Xtoxm]

Llama, i've just noticed your "vote" is on TT. Please stop it, it's annoying...

If you save it until it's real you'll enjoy it all the more...

lol.

[Xtoxm]

Yeh, but it's really no difference, as the vote doesn't actually do anything anyway, and we all know that.

[Xtoxm]

Pizza RestFermata

[Xtoxm]

Both of the following are quotes taken from the rules:

If majority is not reached by deadline the person with the highest votes is lynched.

If you do not have a majority when deadline arrives, there will be no lynch.

I find this somewhat contradictory.

We should clear this up with the mod when she gets back.

I hope the first one is the correct one.

Yeh, this.

[Xtoxm]

Yay!

What happens in the case of a tie?

[Xtoxm]

Ooh, I do

not

like the sound of that at all. Adding randomness to a lynch? Yuck.

Way I like it is the first one to reach that number of votes gets lynched.

Just wondering how Farside does it.

[Xtoxm]

Imo, NL > Coin flip.

[Xtoxm]

OMG, I've never seen a coinflip. It's usually whoever got to that number of voted first, if there's a tie. And I bet farside does it that way because when she did a VC, with reborn and tt tied, reborn was in red, and tt was not.

I really think reborn lynch is best.

Yeh, but Llama was one of the votes...

[Xtoxm]

Right, so i'm thinking if TT is scum his partners must be GW (he's starting to look worse and worse in my eyes) and Kloud/STD.

[Xtoxm]

You know, I agree about some of the things on TT... not being that helpful and all.

But I don't understand why reborn is off the hook.

I also don't understand xtoxm, and how he goes "tt is town" for pages on end and then is like "wagon in tt!" I think xtoxm has multiple personalities.

Lol, I probably do.

What it is, is i've been getting a strong town feel from him throughout the game, so i've been defending, but when Llama pointed out the discrepancy, and i've thought about TT, he's not actually really done much, or contributed much thought to the thread.

And to be quite frank, i've thought everyone was town at one point or another, there has to be scum somewhere

[Xtoxm]

I will be very annoyed if he has another untouchable claim, lol.

[Xtoxm]

We're not blanketly not lynching power claims.

[Xtoxm]

Infact, if it's the only way ton prevent a lynch scum will likely claim power, we can't just leave them alone for it.

[Xtoxm]

Or the scum have powers, or there's 4 of them, or there's a mafia traitor in our midsts...all of these situations could warrant the use of scum lovers. As much as I think there's no way in hell a mod would put two lovers as scum, I could see it happen.

Out of curiosity, is there anyone who doesn't have a pro-town feel to you?

EK didn't. Kmd didn't, but if TT's scum I wouldn't really be able to see him as scum. I think there might have been one or two others...At some point...

Reborn, I see what you are saying. If you are role blocked or give your invention to scum and we lynch you day 2, it isn't a total loss. If you are scum, that's obviously a good day 2 lynch. If you are town and either of the 2 scenarios happens, we get very helpful information.

In the minimum, it'd tell us scum got themselves an RB.

I third the anti pizza-ban

Think IG and my other half need prodding also.

[Xtoxm]

Lol Kmd. I've done that before

[Xtoxm]

Gah, only 24 hours left...Hmm, well I guess the situation is ok though, considering we don't need a proper lynch to lynch our suspect.

[Xtoxm]

Lol. I'm kinda hoping he doesn't so he can't claim something that will put us off, and make us find yet another new wagon...

...

That's a not a pro-town thought process, is it? Lol...

[Xtoxm]

But ofcourse!!

[Xtoxm]

What STD said.

Let's kill him.

[Xtoxm]

I am Joe

So what... Joe the vanilla... Joe the mafia... what?

Btw, Llama, loved this comment

[Xtoxm]

Yeh, given the circumstances.

[Xtoxm]

Is it really gonna change anything though?

[Xtoxm]

Ooh yay.

[Xtoxm]

Hi guys.

Well, i'm with EK on this, I think LF should claim it.

Also, LF, you are Peter, so there's a strong possibility of you no being entirely sane, I feel. Isane would suit him imo, but we can't jump to conclusions. Also where-ever you have investigative roles, there's always some kind of hitch that makes them not 100% accurate, so even if you are sane, GF's, Millers, etc, so I wouldn't go around saying that you confirm anyone.

Kmd should indeed confirm he has or hasn't recieved said device.

I asked my lover stuffs at night but he never responded, so might need a replacement there (

Mod?

)

TT turning up town is annoying, but he was being quite lurky, and I don't feel we're in too bad a position.

Vote GW

My current top suspect.

I probably missed something I had intended to say...Lol...

[Xtoxm]

Lol, snap LF.

[Xtoxm]

I will post what I did when we start nearing a lynch so it isnt lost though, I just dont want mafia knowing what I know untill its needed to be public.

This sounds good. Ignore former comment, we simulposted.

[Xtoxm]

Ah, knew i'd forgotten something.

We had no kill last night. Might be a bit premature, but whenever there's no kill's I start getting worried about the possibility of a Cult. Cults are deadly. Thought's on it's likeliness?

Oh, and LF - With your JOAT power. When you use your random JOAT ability, and use something that doesn't give you a direct response (i.e. your investigation) are you told which power you used, or do you not know?

[Xtoxm]

IG - I think we should wait before you reveal your target. Infact, I think it best you don't reveal it at all, given the nature of your power.

[Xtoxm]

Reborn, IG claiming would really be quite silly. Town has no need to know it, only mafia would want to know that kind of thing. He is a protective power (of sorts) and we know if he is sucessful, because he dies.

There are 2 ways we can use him - Just let him protect who he wants each night, and he should not tell us, or us tell him who to protect, thus garanteeing protectees living through the night, unless scum got themselves an RB. However, is they did Reborn would have been the obvious choice, so as to get him lynched today. (Come to think of it, he wouldn't know if he was blocked, so he still might have been. Gotta wait for Kmd.)

The latter choice has the added advantage of if IG is mafia, we get make them not kill person of our choice. However I do not believe he is, so I say that more from a theoretical viewpoint.

[Xtoxm]

OK, let's kick off. Last night I gave a portable forcefield generating device to KMD.

I can confirm this.
I got the device.
Still catching up.

Can you tell me if it worked or not? I wasn't told anything except that I was allowed to give you the device.

Well, he can't use it until tonight.

You not getting RBed is quite interesting, and almost implies "no scum RB" to me. Although it's not rules out.

[Xtoxm]

I will explain it all near the end of the day, like I said, no point in letting scum know more then they need to this early.

Just wondering: does it really matter if you tell it now or later? If you say it now, what's the difference in saying it at the end of the day?

If mafia are required to make a fakeclaim prior to his claiming, it increases the chances of them being caught out, depending on what they claim.

Waiting is good.

[Xtoxm]

Oh, and Kmd - Unless it's something particular that would be useful to share (assuming you know what it does), I would advise not telling us today.

[Xtoxm]

Reborn, IG claiming would really be quite silly. Town has no need to know it, only mafia would want to know that kind of thing. He is a protective power (of sorts) and we know if he is sucessful, because he dies.

There are 2 ways we can use him - Just let him protect who he wants each night, and he should not tell us, or us tell him who to protect, thus garanteeing protectees living through the night, unless scum got themselves an RB. However, is they did Reborn would have been the obvious choice, so as to get him lynched today. (Come to think of it, he wouldn't know if he was blocked, so he still might have been. Gotta wait for Kmd.)

The latter choice has the added advantage of if IG is mafia, we get make them not kill person of our choice. However I do not believe he is, so I say that more from a theoretical viewpoint.

KMD has answered. If the scum had a RB it would be madness not to use it on me.

Are we sure a bodyguard dies if successful? I've never seen one used before. In that case I can only assume the scum targetted KMD and he was protected by my portable forcefield generating device. I'm going to reread to see who KMD was a threat to.

Yeh, we're simulposting.

Well, the BG I assume that is in play, (one that I have seen before under the name "Martyr") is that he chooses someone, and if they were to die, he dies instead. This sounds most logical to me, I would be surprised if this is not the on IG claims.

[Xtoxm]

Yeh, i've seen it once.

It's called an Elite Bodyguard.

I can find the link to the game if you like.

Seeing as he's not called Elite (Or he's being smart and choosing to withhold it), I am quite confident that it's not the case.

What you said I think sums it up nicely.

[Xtoxm]

I notice you have attributed my comment to yourself.

Kmd - Don't reveal it then.

[Xtoxm]

Again, you have failed to correctly attribute your quotes...Lol...

[Xtoxm]

Lynching us would be stupid. There is a garanteed town in one of us, and we should atleast wait until the other scum are dead.

I also highly suspect that my lover is town.

And why does TT being town implicate us?

[Xtoxm]

Also, if it's a cult, the chance of either of us being recruited is practically nil, as the chance of us surviving to endgame is also practically nil.

[Xtoxm]

It's not from Rock, it's from BG, basically. Rock doesn't do anything to change it though. Although his not talking in the night chat was pretty annoying.

[Xtoxm]

Her actions look like town in relation to me. Our pregame talk also looks like town to me, who thinks we are both town.

[Xtoxm]

Also, it looks like we're an intended mislynch to me. My lover having her name spelt wrong.

And I quite frankly can't think of a more unlikely lover pair.

[Xtoxm]

Okay.

Brace yourselves.

Don't vote me.

I'm Herbert.

Yes, it makes copius sense for him to be scum. He's not.

Yes, Herbert being lovers with Bonnie makes absolutley no sense whatsoever.

[Xtoxm]

Hence my "millerlovers" comment yesterday

[Xtoxm]

At first I thought that my lover would have been Chris, I was quite surprised when BG clamed Bonny, then that gave me the silly idea's BG could be fakeclaiming scum.

EK claiming Chris removed any possibility of that, though. (There's no one else I really make sense to be in love with)

[Xtoxm]

Her actions look like town in relation to me. Our pregame talk also looks like town to me, who thinks we are both town.

I've been lovers online before, and this sounds absolutely nothing like my relationship with my lover. Every night we were going round in circles thinking the other was scum because we survived until night 4 or something. Our night 2 discussion was something like 80 posts long with a 48 hour deadline. Sadly it was on lj so I don't know if I can link you... I'll try though. I can't imagine why you could possibly be so trusting now you've survived night 1. Lovers are a wonderful target for a scum night kill.

Yes, they are. But not early in the game. Onlt in late-game.

Lover's are bastardised vanilla's. (Assuming we are both town)

Scum want to take out power roles first and save us for later. Plus, with the amount of suspsicion we had we're worth keeping alive for the mislynch potential anyway.

[Xtoxm]

Ok, admittedly I don't know what the scum in this game want to do.

But it's a fair assumption. And i've been scum before.

(Also, I don't like how you say that like an accusation)

[Xtoxm]

This would be a terrible idea, and i'm quite certain it would lylo the town.

And like i've said, one of us is garanteed town, so you shouldn't be voting us even if you think one is scum until we catch other scum. It's almost scummy.

[Xtoxm]

If anyone wants some meta into the minds of what a lovers relationship SHOULD be like, here we go

http://enlight-bystand.livejournal.com/104723.html

Things to bear in mind - this was a battlestar galactica theme game. I was a pro-town vig, my lover was a vanilla colonial.

Don't feel like you have to read the whole thing, just read the first few posts where he bluffs me and I call his bluff and why. It's why I'm very confused about Xtoxm's lovers relationship with BG. I was literally pulling my hair out as a lover.

Well, when I had the pregame convo with BG I believed her to be confirmed town to me. I later checked this with the mod after day had started. And I really feel she was under the same false impression as I was.

[Xtoxm]

Ok, admittedly I don't know what the scum in this game want to do.

But it's a fair assumption. And i've been scum before.

(Also, I don't like how you say that like an accusation)

I didn't mean it as an accusation.
I just meant that we can't assume that the scum are thinking the same way you are.

xtoxm, I really think that you are town but I don't think you are looking into the possibility of your lover being scum.

I have looked at the possibility of my lover being scum jsut as much as I have everyone else.

And I think that my lover is town. BG's actions make me quite confident of this.

[Xtoxm]

Reborn I tried your link, and got this:

Please log in above to access the site.

[Xtoxm]

Ok, admittedly I don't know what the scum in this game want to do.

But it's a fair assumption. And i've been scum before.

(Also, I don't like how you say that like an accusation)

I didn't mean it as an accusation.
I just meant that we can't assume that the scum are thinking the same way you are.

xtoxm, I really think that you are town but I don't think you are looking into the possibility of your lover being scum.

I have looked at the possibility of my lover being scum jsut as much as I have everyone else.

And I think that my lover is town. BG's actions make me quite confident of this.

I think you're trying to save your own skin, or going for a lovers victory. Do lovers victories exists on MS?

Not as far as i'm aware, and I can asure you that that is not the case with us. I win only with town.

And i'm getting tired of saying this. I'm not just trying to save my own skin. I'm trying to do what's best for town. And as I keep saying I have a strong town read on BG. I am treaty my lover just like I would any other suspect.

[Xtoxm]

And I think that my lover is town. BG's actions make me quite confident of this.

BG's actions were scummy as hell. How can that make you confident that she is town?

You may have precieved her actions as scummy, but scumminess is not viewed the same by all. Like i've said, I disagree with your view.

[Xtoxm]

I think you're trying to save your own skin,

^^^

No, i'm not. Stop fucking saying it.

If I thought my lover was scum I would be more willing to go with it, but I do not.

And 1 town 1 scum is a lot worse that 1 scum.

[Xtoxm]

And Kmd, you think BG is scum. Fair enough. I accept this.

What about your other suspects? Who do you think she is scum with?

What are you opinions on GW?

Why is it not better to go for someone else today? Even if she's scum, she's not the only scum.

[Xtoxm]

And I think that my lover is town. BG's actions make me quite confident of this.

BG's actions were scummy as hell. How can that make you confident that she is town?

You may have precieved her actions as scummy, but scumminess is not viewed the same by all. Like i've said, I disagree with your view.

I'm convinced you're hugely biased about this.

I assure you, I am not.

Like I have said, I am not treating her any differently that any of the other suspects.

I will always defend someone hard if I really believe them to be town, the case of me knowing i'm town and dying too makes it more so.

[Xtoxm]

Xtoxm, why are you so stubborn about name-claiming? Are you so hung up on sticking to your guns that you won't accept the opportunity of ending this argument now?

I claimed at the bottom of page 49. You must have missed it.

You should always check the bottoms of previous pages when haivng instant convo's

LF - Thankyou for that comment! I'm glad my opinion on this matter is not alone.

Town should not want to give up their claim easily, ever, so why you are getting nanoyed at more for delaying my claim I don't know.

[Xtoxm]

Yeh, it is, lol.

And how dare you not capitalize my X!!!

I'm sure my typing speed has doubled over the course of this convo, lol

[Xtoxm]

Yeh. My original problem with my Chris theory, also.

There simply really isn't anyone who would logically "to Herbet" lover.

[Xtoxm]

One thought that had crossed my mind, was that I was lover with Chris, but it was a one-way lover thing.

This thought didn't stay with me long, when I got more informed, but I suppose there's still and outside possibility, for it to be worth mentioning this.

[Xtoxm]

You know what? I'm taking this couch.

Lol, I loved that Blue Harvest episode!!!

[Xtoxm]

I found him to be town early, but he is now lurking and i've completely changed my mind on him, partly due to finding other people town.

Kmd (And Reborn)

Who would you say are the 3 scum, right now? (Assuming standard game of 3 mafia)

[Xtoxm]

Ok.

Mine would be GW STD Kloud. Mainly from thinking just about everyone else is town.

Although I can see LF being scum. But that shouldn't be explored yet anyway.

[Xtoxm]

Speaking of GW, time for something I've seen from this back and forth, coupled with the role names.

Originally, I was convinced that one of them was definitely against the town, with that leaning towards BG/Rock. This flipped to Xtoxm today, as I also saw him as trying to stop himself from dying be either of them being lynched. However, when I think of their names, it makes me think of this: That kind of pairing? In a game with a Joe character? Really? Doesn't that seem like it's intended to screw up the town? I know, this can lead us to thinking in circle, so don't point out to me where this is flawed. I know it's flawed. But you have to pick a kind of side with this particular flaw, and I've decided that I'm going to push their claim to the side of town, even though Bg/Rock still does not look very good to me. Yes, one of them may be mafia, it's a likely situation, but I'm going to spend my time looking elsewhere. If something drops from them, believe me, I'll jump on it. But they are not the right target for now. Not this early in the day, at least.

Interesting to see my top suspect come out with something like this.

GW, who would be the 3 you name as scum right now?

[Xtoxm]

EK keeps popping up in these scum lists.

What did you think of the way she acted around her claim?

And why would she claim VT?

[Xtoxm]

Well, tbh it's pretty much the same reasons you just mentioned, along with the fact that i'm struggling to name enough people I find scummy enough to call scum.

[Xtoxm]

Well, that's one of the things that makes it more likely she's town imo.

VT claims basically always get lynched. Such turnarounds as this are rare. Although, admittedly it is possible she's scum. But if a scum is going down like that, rather than just claim VT and die, it's usually better to claim a power, and try to get countered, so as to out the town's powerroles to your buddies. I've done it before. And if you don't get countered, than you can just surf on the claim for a while...VT claim just means death.

[Xtoxm]

Gah.

Unvote

. He's convincing me again.

I'm starting to think maybe an STD wagon is a good place to go.

It is a problem. The third scum is keeping an extremely low profile or just playing really pro-town.

This also makes me suspect STD further because he is the one in this game I consider most capable of doing something like this.

[Xtoxm]

Hmm. I know LF doesn't want directing (understandably) but I think vigging someone tonight would be a good option. If he gets a kill through it basically confirms him as town. I know it's not foolproof...

[Xtoxm]

I'm not using the "Too Townie" argument, and I understand that it is a fallacy.

But the thing is i'm finding almost everyong to look town. So I have to turn to who I think would be able to best pull off a convinced town look as scum.

And STD isn't one of the one's i'm finding really town anyway.

[Xtoxm]

LF, like I said, i'm not using "Too Townie".

LF, I really think you need to gain your vote tonight. Unless we lynch a scum, that is.

Because if we lynch a townie, and we get killed, that brings the game to 8 people...Oh wait. That still works, actually. Unless your random vigs a townie...But you control who you target anyway...So hmm, maybe you can wait until N3. I dunno. See how it goes, I guess.

[Xtoxm]

You want my vote you're going to have to give a case.

What is it with you and cases?!

You've just contradicted yourself

It seems I have a bit, to an extent. I will try to explain myself better. Basically i'm not finding him directly scummy, my read of him would be a slight town read, if you get me. And thus onto my argument, as scum I can see he convincingly looking townie. He's not one of the one's i'm finding really town, but I wouldn't be calling him scum, on reads, basically.

[Xtoxm]

Yeh, I agree. Although i'm worried some of our players will start struggling to keep up with the games ever increasining pace.

Goodnight.

[Xtoxm]

Did not like that post at all. (Kloud)

[Xtoxm]

I don't see why Rock is being found scummy. He's a newbie who's flaked, and what he did say I didn't exactly find scummy.

Vote Kloud

I get the feeling he's just hitching on to what Kmd/Reborn has said in attempt to get a double mislynch without looking like he's fully backing it.

[Xtoxm]

It's not fucking omgus, and if you think it is then you don't know much about mafia.

[Xtoxm]

You really suck

[Xtoxm]

If Llama is lying then his information will give us a chance of catching scum. For example, if I'm scum, my information has told you that kmd AND me are both scum. If I'm town, my information has told you that I am an inventor and kmd has a special ability tomorrow night. This is an example of information that only helps the town.

No, you could be a scum Inventor.

But that would be revealed on death anyway, so it wouldn't matter.

[Xtoxm]

So now you are trying to play BGs actions off as newbie faults? You claimed to have played other games with her, so she couldn't be that new.

I said Rock, not BG.

Most of the rest of your post doesn't seem to make any sense in relation to what I said.

[Xtoxm]

Kmd and Reborn expressed strong suspicion before you did, and they both look town for, so I looked out for someone who might try corroborate this opinion in try to get us lynched, and then you came along and did exactly that.

That is a case, is it not?

[Xtoxm]

I'm satisfied with kmd's reasoning about the information. I said to tell me if I was wrong, and you did, so thanks.

vote rock

I have explained why lynching us today is incredibly stupid. You should be looking to lynch whoever you think is one of BG's buddies today, if I cannot change your opinion on BG's alignment.

[Xtoxm]

LF has said he's going to reveal it before the days out. I agree that that is optimal.

Do you guys have a problem with that?

[Xtoxm]

She has not agreed with any of my unsensible posts.

You keep attacking people I think are town but you've done as i've requested so I can't complain.

[Xtoxm]

Kloud, who would be the 3 scum you would name right now?

[Xtoxm]

Reborn, if you think they are scum together, what do you make of BG's wagoning of EK's predecessor?

[Xtoxm]

But you think they are scum together.

You think BG would bus like that?

[Xtoxm]

ok I dont think xtoxm is scum! how many times do I have to say it? I have seen many games where town people do stupid things- I think that's what he is doing. I don't like what he's done- I dont agree with it- but I don't think he's scum. As for LF, I was the first to vote for him- how is that hopping on a bandwagon? and as for dalt why is it wrong to vote for someone who is being bandwagoned when you agree that their behavior is scummy?

alright guys you know what? I don't know what else to sat because I'm just gonna end up repeating myself over and over if I attempt to defend myself and I'm sick of being attacked. I am bonny, one half of a lover pair. I won't tell who my lover is- if he wants to announce it he can but if you lynch either one of us, the other dies as well.

How

do you percieve that as the words of a scum?

[Xtoxm]

Just realised EK posed me a question I haven't answered - No, I am not mod informed of BG's character. Likewise, I believe she doesn't know mine.

[Xtoxm]

Tbh I can't really see Reborn being scum.

[Xtoxm]

That is a direct lie.

[Xtoxm]

Tbh I can't really see Reborn being scum.

Your opinions change with the wind.

I admit that i'm struggling to find any scum this game, but i've got a few very strong town reads.

[Xtoxm]

When people disagree with you, you think they're scum.

[Xtoxm]

Tbh I can't really see Reborn being scum.

I think you need to be more wary than this. You at least need to be open to the possibility that KMD and myself are both scum.

A scum inventor just doesn't work though. Think about it - why would I give my inventions away for people to use. Unless it was like a nerfed anti-miller.

I didn't say Kmd. I said you. And it is mainly on the way you have acted.

[Xtoxm]

You've done some silly things, and annoyed me at times, but I don't think you're scum.

[Xtoxm]

I believe she was under the same false impression as I was at the start that we were confirmed town to each other (I later cleared this up with the mod).

She's claimed early as town before.

Check her out in PYP3. She claimed cop on day 1, under very little pressure, cop dead N1.

[Xtoxm]

I'm having the exact same problem RF. So i'm looking at some of my less stronger town reads.

Very unlikely. Possible, but I don't see it.

Yeh, I was just keeping all the possibilities open, not saying I thought it.

And guys, look at how many people are supporting the "1 scum 1 town" theory on lovers.

RF, I can paraphrase our pregame chat if you like. There's not much of it. It's just that and how she acted really look to me like (as I keep saying) town who thinks i'm town.

[Xtoxm]

I think what he means is we shouldn't be considering them for today's lynch, not that we should ggive them a free ride for the rest of the game.

[Xtoxm]

*facepalm*

Oh?

Really, what makes my argument so bad, STD?

I don't think I'm going to convince you.

I don't either.

Could you paraphrase what BG said pre-game?

Yes.

[Xtoxm]

Rock is a complete idiot, no matter his alignment.

BG told me she was a standard lover.

And he can see our conversation.

Wow, it's starting to like like he might be scum...

But my point stands...We should lynch other scum before us...

[Xtoxm]

The best thing is, if Rock is town then LF is tomorrow's order of the day, so that post virtually guarantees us AT LEAST one scum, maybe two!

unvote vote Rock

Surely you can see that Rock is BS...

[Xtoxm]

Goddamnit, I don't want to die

Do you guys still want my paraphrase?

[Xtoxm]

I kinda feel sorry for Kmd going to all that effort, lol.

[Xtoxm]

Ok, so every way I look at it, I was wrong, and my lover is scum

I'd still rather lynch someone else today, though, tbh.

In the very least, wait for LF to say what he's got to say.

[Xtoxm]

Rock... so you're saying the mod screwed up your pm and called you a watcher when you are actually a tracker?

I don't buy it.

Even if possible I have never heard of a person with a double role like that, lover and some other power. Has anyone ever seen that?? Because I sure haven't.

I'm happy to accept that he's lying scum at this point.

[Xtoxm]

For the other 2 scum, I would have to say STD and Kloud.

[Xtoxm]

Ok, so every way I look at it, I was wrong, and my lover is scum

I'd still rather lynch someone else today, though, tbh.

In the very least, wait for LF to say what he's got to say.

I agree we should wait to see what LF has to say, and Xtoxm should get some last words.

I will miss you xtoxm, even though you brought a bandwagon on me for no reason! I admire your aggressive, crazy play.

I disbanded it too!

Thnx!! <3

[Xtoxm]

Yes.

But bear in mind what I said earlier - It might not be a sane result. This

is

Peter.

[Xtoxm]

For the other 2 scum, I would have to say STD and Kloud.

More of this. Is this just gut feelings?

Try to be as useful as possible before you die.

I'm making this post to emphasise that I do not plan to make a response to that.

[Xtoxm]

Didn't I say this?

Oh...You might have said something like that, at one point...My memory is a little fuzzy...

Xtoxm, wasn't it you that was worried about an early LYLO before?
If you are concerned about this, why would you want to risk a mislynch and wait on lynching Rock?

Yes, but the early LYLO worry was based on the worst case scenario assumptions of LF-town-permanent voteless townie and 2-lovers-town.

As we now know, this is far from the case, so we do not need to worry yet.

I did this before I saw Rock destroy his own game.

I figured..

Yes, I wish Xtoxm didn't have to die with scum. He seems like a good player from what I have seen.

Thnx!!

[Xtoxm]

Sorry if any of that last post became outdated within minutes. I think some of it was.

Yeh...That's the nature of this game...I think that's one of the reasons i've loved it so much...It's not really been like a normal game, more like IRC chats every night.

[Xtoxm]

I am contributing.

I find your implication that i'm not insulting.

[Xtoxm]

Ok, clearly we are today's lynch: I'm working on letting that sink in.

Let's leave at that if it's 4/6 though, for everyone to get a word in. (Mainly LF)

[Xtoxm]

I am contributing.

I find your implication that i'm not insulting.

Stop being so thin-skinned. I mean continue contributing, and expand on what you wrote about STD and Kloud.

My reasons for saying STD and Kloud are because they are the one's currently at the bottom of my town list.

I'll make a post with my opinions on everyone before you kill us.

Infact, i've not even thought about what my

exact

ordering is yet. I'll see when I make it

[Xtoxm]

Nope.

I checked with Farside sometime about half way through Day 1...Insta sui

[Xtoxm]

Jailkeep...JOATs don't often have that...

I was about to say it doesn't prove anything, but then I remembered that there was no kill...Who you kill?!!

I think you should just claim it. They're probably scum.

If there's an RB or something, somehting that would have prevented a kill last night, they should claim imo.

Notices a glimmer of hope for survival

[Xtoxm]

Who you block*

[Xtoxm]

Oh, just realised he can also be the attempted scum kill.

I'm slow tonight, lol.

[Xtoxm]

But yeh, you should claim it. They're either scum or confirmed town, and if they are, scum know that already.

[Xtoxm]

Hmm. Well, GW has looked really quite good today.

But, I did cast suspicion on him towards days end, as did others, so it does seem unlikely he would have been targetted for a scum kill.

It's posisble, I mean they could have thought he was a power or something...

But still...It doesn't sound likely.

[Xtoxm]

Anyway - In my opinion, any other role that may have caused the No-Kill last nights needs to claim now, imo.

Others have any thoughts on that?

[Xtoxm]

Xtoxm, are you 100% sure that you die the exact night after Rock is lynched?

I commit suicide immediately after Rock dies. If he's lynched, I die in the lynch scene. If he's NKed, I die in the morning scene. If he was DayKilled, I would die in the DayKill scene.

[Xtoxm]

Xtoxm, are you 100% sure that you die the exact night after Rock is lynched?

Why, btw?

[Xtoxm]

GW has not been acting like he was impeded last night...

[Xtoxm]

RF
Kloud
GW
STD
Kmd

They are the only ones who haven't claimed yet.

And don't be so hasty. Given new information, Rock might not be the best lynch.

[Xtoxm]

So if we lynch Rock now, you die BEFORE night?

That is correct.

[Xtoxm]

~99% sure, yes. I wouldn't say 100%, jus cos...

[Xtoxm]

[Xtoxm]

?

Expressing distaste of the "We find out after Rock is lynched" comment.

[Xtoxm]

I thought I had a plan to save Xtoxm but I don't think it will work.

I had a feeling you might have been getting at that, but no, lover suicide can't be prevented.

[Xtoxm]

And I still think that LF's new info has given us a potential better lynch for today...

[Xtoxm]

Me? I got jailed? Okay, just wondering, LF, do you know what kind of jailing it was? Did it keep me safe from being targeted in general, or just from dying?

jailkeep = RB + protect, I know of no other type of jailing

The Jailkeeper I first came to know prevented all actions that would affect that player that night.

I really think if any of the other 4 have a reason for no kill last night, they should claim it.

[Xtoxm]

Please no-one hammer yet.

Could someone possibly unvote please?

[Xtoxm]

Thanks

[Xtoxm]

So you believe that by putting me, one person, in jail, I, alone, was kept from killing? And that other mafia could not kill without me? Not that I may have been targeted (no idea why, but it's an option) and was protected?

Mafia always have to choose one person who submits the kill. (Either that or it's predetermined which mafia does it by mod)

That's the whole point of these Tracker/Watcher/JK roles. They wouldn't be too useful without it.

It's possible that it's not the case, and you do seem genuinley not to know about it, that's why i'd like anyone else who may have blocked the kill to claim now.

[Xtoxm]

I take it that's a claim of not potentially having prevented the kill.

STD and Kloud need to check in, then we can decide what to do.

[Xtoxm]

I by no means see this as open and shut, and want to know why LF thought he had someone cleared, and how that scans with the evidence he's produced.

I had a feeling that LF had a quilty result on GW and he just wanted scum to think he had an innocent so that said scum would continue to play as normal, and potentially make links to buddies. Obviously I didn't say that at the time.

[Xtoxm]

What do you guys think about the possibility of Rock failing to send in his night action in time?

Hmm, I actually hadn't considered the missing a night action possibility. There is a strict night deadline, it

is

plausable that Rock missed an action, actually.

[Xtoxm]

I thought GW was town, too, but like I said, I had to be wrong about at least one person.

Where did GW lie?

Guys - I can see GW as a valid scum nk.

Also, we need to be sure Rock is scum before we start treating LF as confirmed and take his word as gospel. That is why Rock has to go first.

Rock basically is confirmed scum, yous hould be able to see that by now.

Also, him being scum does not ocnfirm LF to be town. He could have been bussing/distancing.

I just think LF is telling the truth, and is town.

[Xtoxm]

I by no means see this as open and shut, and want to know why LF thought he had someone cleared, and how that scans with the evidence he's produced.

I had a feeling that LF had a quilty result on GW and he just wanted scum to think he had an innocent so that said scum would continue to play as normal, and potentially make links to buddies. Obviously I didn't say that at the time.

Guilty result = insta-claim.

No, not always. Like I can, it can be useful to keep the scum around and make them talk before claiming it.

[Xtoxm]

Like I said*

[Xtoxm]

He has falsely claimed, claim changed, and is self-voting...

[Xtoxm]

1473, page 59.

Are you not checking the bottom of previous pages again?

[Xtoxm]

Lol, just found it.

Can we get a hammer please.

1 in the hand is worth two in the bushel.

No. Apart form anything, we still stalling about stuffs...

And Kmd unvoted.

[Xtoxm]

*Still talking

[Xtoxm]

Yes. Thinking about the action-miss possibility mentioned, I think we can ignore it, actually. It's possible Rock may have, but I don't think the other scum would have let something like that happen, everyone else is interested enough in the game. Whenever i've been scum i've always done my best to make sure that deosn't happen, I usually inform the mod of what our action is, even if i'm not the doing the kill.

[Xtoxm]

No. No hammer yet untill I am 100% sure no one else could of blocked that kill. What happened was one of

1) GW was scum submitting the kill, got RBed
2) GW was targeted for a NK, got healed
3) Someone else stopped a kill

This sounds like you're encouraging a mass claim. Let's not, k?

Not a MC, but RF, STD, Kloud, and KMD should all say whether or not they could have stopped a kill last night, imo.

I highly doubt it, with IG being a protective role, and LF also having a protective ability.

[Xtoxm]

Sorry if some one said this already but maybe GW WAS the NK target.

Exactly.

Yes. I haven't ignored the possibility, but it does seem very unlikely. Behind our lynch target, GW was the one with the most suspicion being cast upon him at the end of yesterday. Why would scum want to take out someone so widely being called scum?

[Xtoxm]

Guys - I can see GW as a valid scum nk.

Also, we need to be sure Rock is scum before we start treating LF as confirmed and take his word as gospel. That is why Rock has to go first.

Yeah.
Rock is scum.
GW is either scum or was targeted by scum.

Well, probably, but not necessarily.

[Xtoxm]

Xtoxm, I'm sorry for what I'm about to say but this is only a game so I'm going to say it - I think you're intent on surviving to the point of becoming anti-town. I think you're blowing smoke in every direction to distract the town from the correct lynch today.

Remember, even if you die, you still win if we win (if you're town).

No, i'm trying to do that, although I guess it is a factor. I know I still win.

In the least, I think we should we wait for those 4 to confirm whether or not the can have prevented the kill last night.

I think it's highly unlikely, as we've already got some claimed protectives, and a game can only have so many, so confirming they don't won't do much harm, and if someone can, well, we need to know about it.

[Xtoxm]

*Not trying to do that

[Xtoxm]

Well, probably, but not necessarily.

Why?

Well, I was refering to the possibility that someone else prevented a kill.

[Xtoxm]

If GW is scum, he is a goon, unless all scum have power roles and the scum have to choose one not to use each night.

[Xtoxm]

And if GW is scum we lynch scum without me dieing...

[Xtoxm]

Really, if no-one claims a way to have prevented a kill in another way, I think it's worth lynching him, because I really can't see scum killing him last night...

[Xtoxm]

Unvote

So my vote isn't not where my heart is in the final vote count.

[Xtoxm]

Lol, STD. You said that twice...

I am assuming your not cliaming of it means you did nothing to prevent a kill last night..?

[Xtoxm]

I think I'd be fine with a GW lynch.
I just am not as sure of GW as I am of Rock.

We're all in that same boat.

[Xtoxm]

I think I'd be fine with a GW lynch.
I just am not as sure of GW as I am of Rock.

A Rock lynch is vital. I will not settle for anything else. With no nk, and an all-but-confirmed scum, we have to press the advatange now.

Why? he's not exactly going to go anywhere, is he?

[Xtoxm]

STD has approved, I have, LF has, Kmd has (by claiming not to have done so)

[Xtoxm]

Well, I believe Rock is at L-1...

Yes. Even if we are the lynch though, we should still wait for this kill prevention claiming.

[Xtoxm]

Well, I believe Rock is at L-1...

Yes. Even if we are the lynch though, we should still wait for this kill prevention claiming.

That's not going to happen on my watch.

Not until Day 3.

No, it should be done today, so scum have less time to think about/discuss things, possibily make a fakeclaim. Now is the best time for it.

GW - Kmd put his vote back on.

Gonna hammer, or something...?

[Xtoxm]

STD said we should do it tomorrow, though, Xtoxm.

Oh, didn't notice that. Well, I disagree. And I still view him as a very allegible scum candidate. Infact, i'm thinking he probably is.