DBZ: Cell Games [Over]

[Battle Mage]

SUPER-POSTING (SPECIAL MECHANIC)
Each player uses Ki by posting. A player will achieve Super-Posting by making more than 60% of the posts after 20 Pages. Super-posting is a debuff that will limit your actions both in-thread and during the night phase. Your actions in NAR will be less prioritized (including beneficiaries done to you) and you may receive a MOD VOTE if you continue posting. After 24 hours your Super-posting will go down by 10%, allowing you to post again.
cial Mechanic)Each player uses Ki by posting. A player will achieve Super-Posting by making more than 60% of the posts after 20 Pages. Super-posting is a debuff that will limit your actions both in-thread and during the night phase. Your actions in NAR will be less prioritized (including beneficiaries done to you) and you may receive a MOD VOTE if you continue posting. After 24 hours your Super-posting will go down by 10%, allowing you to post again.

Ok but first, why do I have a feeling this was added when unwnd saw me /in?
VOTE: Firebringer

-kookiebearbearnornor

Ill give you one thing, coming after the champion with your first swing wasn't a bad move. But you gonna need to get this whole playerlist to go at me at same time to even stand a chance bahahahahaha

VOTE: firebringer

bring me some fire

[Battle Mage]

flea are you scumclaiming on page 1!?

[Battle Mage]

is firebringer scum too, or are you just buddying him?

[Battle Mage]

kookiemonster town

[Battle Mage]

bell scum with flea most likely

[Battle Mage]

...I'm inclined to think they're town because they sound like they're telling the truth. Is what I meant to say.

So it's a gut feeling? and you are willing to buddy them up based on a gut feeling, correct?

i also have the strong feeling Noraa is town here. meat reasons

[Battle Mage]

flea you're scumread because you tried to derail/take momentum away from the FB wagon. makes more sense as scum than town - as scum you could be trying to take the heat off a buddy or trying to pocket FB. As town, I figure you probably just go with the top wagon like others did.

im fine with guillo's approach

pedit: never buddy noraa

[Battle Mage]

bell feels town too, lively start

[Battle Mage]

Town:

Battle Mage
Bell
Kookiemonster

Remaining:
Dunnstral
ManWithNoName
Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8)
Gamma Emerald
Superbowl9
Firebringer
Titus
Flea The Magician
Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain)
Guillotina

[Battle Mage]

let's mix it up

VOTE: sugar cain

[Battle Mage]

yeah this feels like flea-scum. very self-conscious and inward-looking analysis; big post mostly fluff

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: BM

My RVS Breaker

BM doesn't know naff all about me to be making these kinda calls But hey my meta's all on my wiki if you wanna take that approach.

My god if it's that easy though. It's practically a flea trust tell. XD

Honestly, Im just scum by default at this point.

Nobody likes me ლ(｡-﹏-｡ ლ)

AtE out already. I've read your games, i know how you roll.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: flea

easy game

[Battle Mage]

Dunnstral - Can be town
ManWithNoName - Shitty ISO, great vote to shake things up
VOTE: ManWithNoName
Battle Mage - Town
Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8) - Bad Vibes but it's RVS practically, so I want to see if it's just my breakfast leading to my gut here.
Gamma Emerald - No memory of his posts
Bell - Town
Superbowl9 - Waited with baited breath
Firebringer - Weak town, needs to scumclaim
kookiemonster (JohnnyFarrar and Noraa) - Need more posts to sort
Titus - Dead and Alive town
Flea The Magician - Reluctant to call a read here yet
Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain) - Weak town
Guillotina - Conflicted about their Bell push. Confident town or scum desperate for content

good readslist. or alternative interpretation, safe readslist which broadly accords with the consensus. Withholding judgement for now.

[Battle Mage]

Oh wonderful excellent wow it's Firebringer I can't wait for him to post something directed towards me!!!

Oh he's talking to Superbowl first? Okay that's fine I'm sure he'll mention NACHO soon because Nacho is just do amazing and heartwarming.

Oh now he's talking about Bell? Haha hahaha he must be saving the best for last? Or something like that???

*cue crushing disappointment*

O_o
o_O
O_O
ouchie this reads kinda fake. I shall wait for nacho to clear my suspicions/add to them.

-nornorthemasterscumhunter

I agree noraa, it did give me the mildest of pings.

[Battle Mage]

Is this Nora town game

yeah think so

Vote: Firebringer

Don't have any real reasons here, he's just not tickling me the way I expected him to. If I squinted real hard maybe I could say that calling BM town while ignoring others is something I disliked, but realistically this is all gut.

I ish having some problems with your slot and I was thinking maybe nacho can help clear my suspicions but I think the reason why nacho isn't coming is because he doesn't like being scum, yeah?
I'm going to wait a bit longer because I would like to hear stuff from nacho. I respect his game very much and I think its possible you just aren't doing this slot justice?
Currently my strongest SR is definitely ur slot tho so yeah.

-nornormaybecaughtascum?

i like the idea of putting a hydra up there with flea. no strong preference yet between nero cain and oil tycoons.

let's mix it up

VOTE: sugar cain

im confbiasing but excuse me while I suggest BM/Oil

-nornorhteconfbiasingbearbear

why? I don't really see any connection between me and Oil, nor any previous indication you felt there was, which would lead to "confbiasing"?

let's mix it up

VOTE: sugar cain

im confbiasing but excuse me while I suggest BM/Oil

-nornorhteconfbiasingbearbear

I highly doubt BM is scum here.

Titus, you're on form.

[Battle Mage]

So it sounds like we have voting phase where we select the two scummiest players and then they duke it out in the arena and with the power of friendship one wins while the other loses?

That's an option. The other thing that I was thinking about was putting in a universal townie vs the scummiest player (since I think the mechanic is a bit scumside) but with this playerlist I think playing true to the intent of the mechanic is the most fun.

I don't like putting a universal townie in with a scummy player. It sets up a situation where a scummy looking townie claims a role we really need and we're up shit's creek without a paddle.

I think we should be spontaneous about whom to nominate for the duel. I played a similar game where i was scum and town let us took control of the mechanic. The only two times where town caught one of us was when two FPSers ignored the concensus and went with their gut. Mind you it was a faster game but control of the duel mechanic was detrimental to win it.

I completely agree. It's a scum-friendly mechanic; we should ideally find a way to reduce their ability to influence.

Titus I am gonna claim town this game

good post, FB cannot lie.

AtE out already. I've read your games, i know how you roll.

Flea AtEs as town.

Lots of people can AtE as either alignment - I can AtE as town or scum. I try to distinguish based on timing and circumstance. In this case, I think it's more scum-indicative AtE to avoid scrutiny - if town, it's a little premature. Do you think Flea can't AtE as scum?

VOTE: Flea

Sure.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Me not sure what I think of this but me no like.

*snerks*

You obviously don't know how I roll

But sure, PEOPLE OF MAFIASCUM, GIVE ME YOUR ENERGIES, YOUR LOVE, YOUR HATE, YOUR BLIND ROBOTICISM THAT SOMEHOW I HAVE TO SHOW. GIVE ME YOUR PRAYERS!

\\ (>.< ) //
hwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


*tune in next week to find out what happens next!*

:O I have a feeling flea is scum but I don't want faer to get voted out anyways

superbowl not even gonna question why i am voting my townread still. Interesting.

I'm always weirded out when people do the "I thought you were going to ask this question" thing. Why would superbowl specifically ask you why you were voting your townread? Why is it weird for you to be voting your townread when that expressed townread was not Uber strong?

Hmm.

#puts post in the sorting pile

HUH.

Dunnstral - Can be town
ManWithNoName - Shitty ISO, great vote to shake things up
VOTE: ManWithNoName
Battle Mage - Town
Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8) - Bad Vibes but it's RVS practically, so I want to see if it's just my breakfast leading to my gut here.
Gamma Emerald - No memory of his posts
Bell - Town
Superbowl9 - Waited with baited breath
Firebringer - Weak town, needs to scumclaim
kookiemonster (JohnnyFarrar and Noraa) - Need more posts to sort
Titus - Dead and Alive town
Flea The Magician - Reluctant to call a read here yet
Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain) - Weak town
Guillotina - Conflicted about their Bell push. Confident town or scum desperate for content

O_O yeah Titus is scum this game isn't she?

really? I'd give Titus more time. and Bell is good.

[Battle Mage]

What can I say, I'm just a manifestation of chaos. nornor hugs! (つ▀¯▀)つ

Nvm Flea town. Me love you too much to SR you rn. Can you do something that only town you would do rn?

-nornorreallyreallyhopesuistown

why does post 166 make Flea town?

[Battle Mage]

why? I don't really see any connection between me and Oil, nor any previous indication you felt there was, which would lead to "confbiasing"?

Oil wagon was building up and u voted Nero/Mom. It was very surface level confbias.

-nornorthebearbear

From recollection, I left a bigger wagon than the Oil wagon (FB) to go to Nero. Maybe I was trying to shift momentum, but it was hardly an impactful way of doing it, and leaving the leading wagon to do so feels counter-intuitive.

[Battle Mage]

recently married too! congrats again fella

[Battle Mage]

Engaged.

ah that's right, my bad!

not too late to invite me to the wedding then.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah the cain wagon is BS. Me no likey.

and trust me I've wiped out enough Cell Jr's.

I'm locked on my BM vote for the time being but I can get with BM vs SB.

I'm warm for a BM vote if firebringer shows me something good. He seems a hell of a lot more measured than what I'm used to from Battle town.

good observation - but im just playing this game differently. meta-wise it's NAI as I don't normally do this as town or scum.

[Battle Mage]

BM is reading weird to me, his content isn't as happy? ig? as normal BM. But I just saw scum him and he wasn't like this either so not really sure what to make of it

trying out a new style, we'll see whether it is effective. don't worry, im happy enough

[Battle Mage]

Congrats on the baby.

Less significant but, if I'm your second biggest townread, and you have multiple scumreads, why am i in your top 2 elim choices today?

to answer your Q, yes bell is town.

flea prob scum.

Big posts so no superpost

Hi everyone I'm Johnny. My baby will probably be born during the course of this game so if I seem flustered that's definitely the reason, not because I'm scum or anything.

Page 1 basically has a flavor claim from fire and superB

bell scum with flea most likely

And yet fb is where you vote

Bell dropping early townreads is at worst NAI, last time I saw them they dropped 3 TRs on page 1

bell feels town too, lively start

So they're not scum with flea then?

And guillotina hopefully we can get along better than last time

No more self voting, you.

No, I'm starting to realize my actual super townie posts only come after a scum flip or two for info and then the words get flowin'

I was digging the your entrance until I got to this post. I don't have the impression from any game of yours that I've read or heard about or spectated or whatever that you had trouble projecting town before a couple scumflips. Is that a recent development?

I was hoping someone else would find this weird. Thought it was just me.

Mark

HIS NAME IS MARK?????

Flea vs. BM is where I'll vote later prolly. Not sure which yet.

Is this Nora town game

Can I just say how wild it is to be in a town where this is a sentiment

Unwilling to vote Titus today

FB and Flea are having fun and playing flavor and I love it but I'll never ever not be super suspicious of it

My eyes glaze over every time I read the word misrep. Guil will put me in a coma before this game is over.

Getting married

in New York

is not cheap.

Also looking at 2022 and... yeah

Caught up! Reads go town>scum

Tito, BM, Bell, nullllll, Oily, flea.

Someone explain Cain votes to me? Also I'm around for a while if anyone wants to chat

- mon

[Battle Mage]

Yeah the cain wagon is BS. Me no likey.

and trust me I've wiped out enough Cell Jr's.

I'm locked on my BM vote for the time being but I can get with BM vs SB.

I'm warm for a BM vote if firebringer shows me something good. He seems a hell of a lot more measured than what I'm used to from Battle town.

good observation - but im just playing this game differently. meta-wise it's NAI as I don't normally do this as town or scum.

Sooooo where I'm apparently using AtE to deflect suspicion and you're using my meta to (badly) read me... when we've got no completed games together too I might add.

You're changing up your meta to avoid meta reads being any use. (≖ლ≖๑ )ﾌ


Right, then we've got Noraa in this game who I honestly love playing with and I think has been in most of my games in some form, who has played with me often and who can't meta read me for the life of her - and lets face it she ain't a bad player. Nora's also town btw, waiting on more from the other head to make a decision on the slot as a whole.

you using the "no-completed-games" thing as a crutch is super scummy to me, because you know I am familiar with your playstyle. I don't know why you would be so disingenuous as town, so I'm lockscumming you. If you're town, please show something more than lazy OMGUS.

i'm not changing my meta to stop people meta reading me. just fancied doing this game a bit differently.

[Battle Mage]

Diggy diggy hole?

Spoiler: Diggy diggy hole

BM solid SR at this point, unlikely to change.

do better

[Battle Mage]

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

[Battle Mage]

I still like Flea-Oil atm

[Battle Mage]

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

Why flea?

go back and read my posts

[Battle Mage]

what?

[Battle Mage]

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

Why flea?

go back and read my posts

I was hoping you could make up something better if I asked you a second time.

Your first attempt seemed like something you were reading off a teleprompter.

that sounds like some real bad faith shit

"i was hoping you could make up something"

yeah, you and Flea can contest it today.

[Battle Mage]

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

Why flea?

I'll TLDR for you,

Because on Page 1 I derailed an RVS wagon and BM believes this is my scum meta, I'm using AtE to deflect suspicion on like page 2, and he's apparently the absolute and final authority on my playstyle

Also I've been frankly hilariously focused since his second post in the game

i think this is the 2nd time you've tried to give a distorted account of what I'm suspicious of you, on my behalf. Is that because you're worried my actual reasons are compelling, and you want to promote misinformation? I'm not sure why else you'd feel the need. It's annoying anyway, cut it out.

To be clear, we've moved a long way past page 1. Your tunnel on me is not credible, it appears to be purely driven by OMGUS but you won't acknowledge that. Your AtE to convince people not to vote for you this early on Day 1 feels scummy. There are other reasons which I won't share at present.

If need be, I'll volunteer to 1v1 with you today.

[Battle Mage]

MEANWHILE
My case is based on BM would've gone for me anyway, an E-2 wagon on page 1 is never good and I'd not even realised at the time there was a wagon, so placed my RVS vote where I normally do, where I think it's funniest.
Then I've poked a hole in his AtE attack on me because it was frankly clearly a joke, now don't get me wrong my AtE game is bloody impressive, as much as I hate it. I'm not so newb as to panic AtE defence like BM seems to think.
BM than made a meta case on me which I countered with a similar meta case,
And now BM has called me out for OMGUS when my vote hasn't even moved all game xD

But hey, BM's the one and only authority on me sooo...

Sorry nornor, looks like you're out of a potential job </3 You've had much much more experience by far, however, we found a better candidate. We'll keep your information on record for 6 months and if we get a vacancy we'll let you know!

irrespective of your vote, your tunnel on me is entirely because I've called you out. I feel confident saying that, based on your emotional reaction to literally everything which has happened so far.

this is also the 3rd instance where you are trying to distort my actual reasons for voting for you. Are you really that scared of me speaking for myself?

let's just 1v1, I really couldn't give a crap

[Battle Mage]

yeah this feels like flea-scum. very self-conscious and inward-looking analysis; big post mostly fluff

This post in particular.
What about his posting is self-conscious, inward looking analysis?

Doesn't mesh with what he's actually posted.

i genuinely think you should sober up and come back to the game tomorrow, if you believe this.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I'll battle today, on condition Flea is up too.

[Battle Mage]

yeah keep trying to patronise me flea

[Battle Mage]

I have BM, Bell, Guillotina, and kookiemonster as town rn
VOTE: Dunnstral
I wanna push this for that FB vote on the first page, what was up with the fake multi-vote crap?

Careful, BM will scum read you and give an entirely different reason (ಡ艸ಡ)

self-conscious and inward-looking. Flea only considered Gamma's post from the perspective of themselves. Compare to several others who commented on what he had said with a sorting, outward-looking mindset.

[Battle Mage]

MEANWHILE
My case is based on BM would've gone for me anyway, an E-2 wagon on page 1 is never good and I'd not even realised at the time there was a wagon, so placed my RVS vote where I normally do, where I think it's funniest.
Then I've poked a hole in his AtE attack on me because it was frankly clearly a joke, now don't get me wrong my AtE game is bloody impressive, as much as I hate it. I'm not so newb as to panic AtE defence like BM seems to think.
BM than made a meta case on me which I countered with a similar meta case,
And now BM has called me out for OMGUS when my vote hasn't even moved all game xD

But hey, BM's the one and only authority on me sooo...

Sorry nornor, looks like you're out of a potential job </3 You've had much much more experience by far, however, we found a better candidate. We'll keep your information on record for 6 months and if we get a vacancy we'll let you know!

irrespective of your vote, your tunnel on me is entirely because I've called you out. I feel confident saying that, based on your emotional reaction to literally everything which has happened so far.

this is also the 3rd instance where you are trying to distort my actual reasons for voting for you. Are you really that scared of me speaking for myself?

let's just 1v1, I really couldn't give a crap

My dude, you need to learn to read me better

What you're dropping now is serious AtE and nothing more than a flail. Take the vote off yourself, you think Mr Satan would pull that crap?

I ain't even stopping you speaking. You didn't want to fill in your case so I gave a TLDR from my perspective.

My dude, the only person muting you, is yourself.

Kinda pathetic really... You remind me of Frieza.

flea rule 6 says don't be a dick.

night

[Battle Mage]

I dont think flea is being aa dick

i dont care what you or others think, im not going to debate it. that's me asking nicely for things to be focussed on alignments and not personal baiting.

if i thought a rule had been breached, i'd have followed the rules and contacted the Mod.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah I want to apologise for that.

That was a lot more dickish reading back than I intended so I do sincerely apologise for that.

fine

[Battle Mage]

I dont think flea is being aa dick

i dont care what you or others think, im not going to debate it. that's me asking nicely for things to be focussed on alignments and not personal baiting.

if i thought a rule had been breached, i'd have followed the rules and contacted the Mod.

ur little standoffish/aggro right now though. Think u could chill a bit

Their emotion is legitimate, that was a corker of a shot I put down. I mean he was heated prior to that anyway which was funny fmpov because of the whole AtE stuff but still.

there's a difference between AtE of you trying to guilt people into not voting for you, and me being generally irritated at you spamming the thread with a false account of what I think/said. unless you want to make a case as to how the latter is scum-indicative.

i fail to see how you could envisage your own behaviour as protown? since when did it benefit town to be wilfully dishonest or disingenuous?

other players here have experience with you, and I'm sure will form their own view.

[Battle Mage]

I dont think flea is being aa dick

i dont care what you or others think, im not going to debate it. that's me asking nicely for things to be focussed on alignments and not personal baiting.

if i thought a rule had been breached, i'd have followed the rules and contacted the Mod.

ur little standoffish/aggro right now though. Think u could chill a bit

you just want more emojis

[Battle Mage]

there's only 2 spaces in the fighting arena, so if oil is in, i cant be

[Battle Mage]

OK gloves off, persona off, lets go raw.

persona off?

Provide evidence of me using AtE to guilt people off voting for me.

I already have - are you actually denying you did this? You admitted it earlier, but claimed it was in jest (despite it proving effective).

My account of what your case is, is exactly that. My account. You haven't provided much else that I've seen and others have also commented as such.

I don't think you repeatedly trying to overlay my own viewpoint with your own interpretation of it is very sorting-friendly, or helpful. It comes across like you are bad-faithing me, and don't really care about determining if I am town or scum. I think 1 player has commented that they didn't understand the case on you, and that player admitted they were drunk and is also in the possible elim-pool for today. Other players have clearly seen the same thing I have. You are very defensive about it.

Yes, other players do have experience with me, and they're welcome to vote me and form opinions on my play style as they like. I will prod and poke back as appropriate. As far as today is concerned, you're my elimination of choice.

Will you criticise and/or tunnel other players who scumread you, as you have done with me? or would a consistent approach attract too much unwanted attention?

Ultimately, I get no sense from you that you've considered the alignment of any player in this game, including me. You haven't really commented on anyone else. If you're town, that's a problem. I'm baffled by your read on me, but regardless I don't think it's unreasonable for me to expect you to have reads on other players too. I've tried to encourage you to demonstrate you are town with a bit more than just the one-dimensional OMGUS - the opportunity to do so remains.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: flea

no point self-voting really, we get 2 votes

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: oil tycoons

[Battle Mage]

incredible capitulation.

to be clear, i'm happy to 1v1 with either player who has indicated 100% certainty i'm scum.

or the sensible thing would be to put them against each other, but that's not my call!

[Battle Mage]

I don't have a ton of battle Mage experience but

I know him well enough to know that this is not him as town and anyone else with any sort of experience at him at all need to be rallying around the same flag because that's a load of hosrshitt.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: flea

no point self-voting really, we get 2 votes

battle Mage is treating me currently is just not the approach he takes as town in any worlds at all

[Battle Mage]

OK gloves off, persona off, lets go raw.

Provide evidence of me using AtE to guilt people off voting for me.

My account of what your case is, is exactly that. My account. You haven't provided much else that I've seen and others have also commented as such.

My own behavior is my own behavior. While people see fluff and nonsense, I post my thoughts as I go. I'm here to have fun as well as socialise.

Yes, other players do have experience with me, and they're welcome to vote me and form opinions on my play style as they like. I will prod and poke back as appropriate. As far as today is concerned, you're my elimination of choice.

This isn't scum in any sort of world.

extraordinary level of confidence in a scummy player being town (which is main reason im voting for you before Flea)

[Battle Mage]

strange that you cite such great experience of my play nacho - have we ever played together before? have you read any games of mine? what do you make of the conclusion of people who do have experienced with me that I'm not playing to either town or scum meta?

[Battle Mage]

dunk?

[Battle Mage]

nacho someone? the other head is syryana, who i have played with before

[Battle Mage]

i wonder what might happen if you stopped bad-faithing and tunnelling me and put that effort into considering:

A. the possibility i'm town
B. the undisputable fact that even if i was scum, i would not be the only one

do you have a read on Oil for instance?

[Battle Mage]

im still content with Flea-Oil today.

Oil looks worse. I can see a world where Flea is misguided tunnel-visioned but admirably enthusiastic town. I struggle a bit with the disingenuous stuff, but maybe we'll come back to that later. I can't give the OMGUS excuse for Oil's tunnel. I won't pick it to pieces...but yeah, for a hydra-slot, not good at all. I feel a bit for Syryana who never had much chance.

There is something quite beautiful about pitting 2 scummy players who don't scumread each other in a head-to-head-to-head battle. Suggest it will prove instructive for reads on both of them.

Guillotina is going in my townreads too, with Noraa and Bell.

[Battle Mage]

reads may not be content

but i am content with my reads

[Battle Mage]

These

leans

are based partly on meta and partly on things that have happened in this game so far.

Town

Flea

: Based on Meta from a game that just ended, they are behaving exactly like their town game there. Confrontational, mocking, satirical, totally careless about what other people may say about them, just carefree, too scummy to be scum once again.

Cookies

: Purely meta read, I think she town based on her behavior in the Yellowstone game that is kind of similar to her style in this one. Would love to read more from the other head though.

Titus

: I could be wrong but it felt like he was trying to communicate with me on a deeper level when he pushed me, sort of like here I am, I'm the kind of player that don't give easy townreads early game.

Null

BattleMage

: I agree with titus that these two could be town/town specially because I played a game with Flea where I tunneled them and our feud lasted until I got eliminated and this looks exactly the same, but I've seen BattleMage playing tunneler as scum in another game too, so I'm keeping an eye on BM for now (I still remember that epic thunderdome with DoubtingThomas where you convinced me you were town).

Oil

: I haven't looked into him deep yet.

Dunnstral

: Strikes me for the kind of player that has a defined blueprint of how an alignment should act. I didn't like it that he tried to discredit me and paint me as scum for asking players why they townread me as if pocketing didn't exist.

Firebringer

: This dude is just unreadable so far. He is too weird. Will keep an eye on.

Scum

Gamma

: Based on past games, Gamma is the kind of player that is very vocal about his thoughts and reads. In essence, Gamma is like Flea minus the satirical side when he is town. When he's randed scum he tends to shy down and avoid me as much as possible. In this game he is doing that and he also added an early game townread as a bonus.

Bell

: He seemed like he was looking for a reason to buddy up/pocket kookiemonster. When I question him about it and I asked him why he townread Noraa (which he didn't, it was a trap), he didn't deny the townread and confirmed he was townreading the hydra based on a hunch, a hunch caused by something that can be easily fabricated such as exasperation "with how much they rolled scum and that they didn't roll scum here". Maybe he knows their alignment.

Superbowl

: I think I already explained it in previous posts. This SB feels like he's been trying to be appeasing to me. Maybe he learnt the lesson and he is trying a different approach but there is something that tell me he is scum.

Sugar Cain

: Nero Cain is a scum hunter by nature, I haven't seen that here. I've yet to see his scum game but I have seen his town game and so far that town!Nero is not here.

ManWithNoName slot

: He used DK videos in Xenoblade to look carefree and meme-ing. I still remember "oh hell yah, I get to use my DK vids and not get sus for using them" in our discord scum chat from that game.

reads on everyone except the guy with most votes?

im not convinced these are good reads anyway

[Battle Mage]

ok, get on this wagon with me brother

[Battle Mage]

*boops the nornor*

So your lim pool for today is oil and me?

Not really.

Its Oil/????

Johnny wants Oil/You but I said NO because flea is the loveliest faerie that shares snacks wif me.

-nornorbear

Johnny has always been a smart dude

[Battle Mage]

lol let's pause the actual game, and play "guess who firebringer hates"

[Battle Mage]

although jokes aside, this is a bit of a mess. we need like:

Less spam
A votecount
Some structure and co-ordination

[Battle Mage]

kookie has the same number of posts as:

the 2 other hydras combined
+ firebringer
+ Titus
+ Gamma Emerald

that's 7 players, and not the least active 7. One for the stat junkies out there.

[Battle Mage]

thanks Mod, may we please have a VC?

[Battle Mage]

we have 4 days to nom 2 ppl. we should always try and do by majority, otherwise it gives scum too much influence.

[Battle Mage]

yo Sugar Cain - read their ISO or something?

[Battle Mage]

i will never understand why folks just sit there and complain they dont understand why someone is being voted....when the solution would be to read the reasons people gave when they voted, or better yet, make their own assessment of that player.

[Battle Mage]

now it's finished, to note my view that Flea here feels exactly like Flea-scum in Among Us Mafia.

Also this was an interesting highlight from the scum PT there:

BM's scumhunting consists of townreading people who townread him and scum reading people who scum read him
So just be careful picking that fight

Eh, I'm in too deep at this point OMGUS is easy to deflect away when I do my thing

so yeah, I think this is Flea-scum. Flea-Oil still works for me.

[Battle Mage]

am i really playing in a game where people can be 99.99% sure somebody is scum, but not even put them within the potential pool for elim?

[Battle Mage]

How about this. Is everyone fine with sending Oily and Sugar Cain in?

I suggested that 20 pages ago.

I think most people can agree that the arena possibilities are {BM, Flea, Sugar Cain, Oily, Guillo}
Out of those 5, who are your top two(scummiest) and who are you willing to compromise on(you don't SR them that hard but are ok with voting them into arena)?
We need to start working together otherwise a few extra scum votes on someone is going to throw that person into arena instead of a scum potentially.

-noraaaabear

why am I in this list??

[Battle Mage]

I'll sheep this for now.

VOTE: Sugar Cain

My SR on you just disappeared ^^

UNVOTE: Guillo

-happynornor

Nora, you're doing that thing where if people agree with you, they move higher up in your readslist.

How about this. Is everyone fine with sending Oily and Sugar Cain in?
The battle of the hydras.
Please express ur opinion on these two and also realize that there is going to be a shit ton of people that need to compromise for us to not fuck over day 1.

I think most people can agree that the arena possibilities are {BM, Flea, Sugar Cain, Oily, Guillo}

Out of those 5, who are your top two(scummiest) and who are you willing to compromise on(you don't SR them that hard but are ok with voting them into arena)?
We need to start working together otherwise a few extra scum votes on someone is going to throw that person into arena instead of a scum potentially.

-noraaaabear

I think if you replace me and Flea out with Superbowl and Mastina i'd be really happy.

If those are subbed in. Im ok with Superbowl/Sugar Cain , Sugar Cain/Mastina, Superbowl/Mastina

If superbowl and mastina are still out of the question.

Then Sugar Cain/Oil, Sugar Cain/BM or Oil/BM. I'm not eliminating Flea today.

pfft dont stick me in there with sugar cain.

I'll take Oil on.

[Battle Mage]

Spoiler: Next week....

I reckon OT's thoroughly tried pocketing me in their drunken state.
I'm SL'ing here, but BM more so currently. I'm happy seeing either flip rn.

you needed to review every single one of their posts individually to realise that Oil had been pocketting you? Don't believe it

[Battle Mage]

Superb is just like that as town and I will continue to defend him.

what do u think of Mastina's accusation that he's not playing like MSOB10?

I dont trust in mastina's skill with meta. Perhaps she is just correct here but she killed BM in cold blood in versus through a meta argument and I strongly believe superb is town so I'm basically just tuning out her arguments against that atm.

-quesadillanornor

in fairness, Pooky v FL wasn't an actual meta-read by mastina. It was an attempted angle-shoot, and was wrong anyway. There was nothing about my actual playstyle in it.

[Battle Mage]

Spoiler:

I'll sheep this for now.

VOTE: Sugar Cain

My SR on you just disappeared ^^

UNVOTE: Guillo

-happynornor

Nora, you're doing that thing where if people agree with you, they move higher up in your readslist.

How about this. Is everyone fine with sending Oily and Sugar Cain in?
The battle of the hydras.
Please express ur opinion on these two and also realize that there is going to be a shit ton of people that need to compromise for us to not fuck over day 1.

I think most people can agree that the arena possibilities are {BM, Flea, Sugar Cain, Oily, Guillo}

Out of those 5, who are your top two(scummiest) and who are you willing to compromise on(you don't SR them that hard but are ok with voting them into arena)?
We need to start working together otherwise a few extra scum votes on someone is going to throw that person into arena instead of a scum potentially.

-noraaaabear

I think if you replace me and Flea out with Superbowl and Mastina i'd be really happy.

If those are subbed in. Im ok with Superbowl/Sugar Cain , Sugar Cain/Mastina, Superbowl/Mastina

If superbowl and mastina are still out of the question.

Then Sugar Cain/Oil, Sugar Cain/BM or Oil/BM. I'm not eliminating Flea today.

pfft dont stick me in there with sugar cain.

I'll take Oil on.

Why not Sugar?[/quote]

nero is savage, and i'm pretty null on that slot

Oil is actually scum, and I don't mind staking my life on that one

[Battle Mage]

wow that post went weird.

i'm not super motivated for this atm, too much of the "I think you're scum but i'll never vote you coz i love you" crap alongside the "i am gonna rage and be a jerk to you" crap. I'm fine volunteering to be on the chopping block as long as I get to pick the opponent - does that sound fair?

[Battle Mage]

Ok BM vote Sugar Cain and Oil then.

-norbearbearbear

noraa we only get 1 vote at a time

[Battle Mage]

Spoiler: Next week....

I reckon OT's thoroughly tried pocketing me in their drunken state.
I'm SL'ing here, but BM more so currently. I'm happy seeing either flip rn.

you needed to review every single one of their posts individually to realise that Oil had been pocketting you? Don't believe it

I mean given you don't like me at all, I'm surprised you bothered to comment.

and I realised, it just didn't fully click as I had bigger fish to fry. You know, like you and the rude one.

i dont have any personal dislike for you Flea. I just think you are mafia, in a game of mafia.

this personal shit (from everybody) is dull. it's a game for goodness sake, and not a game of who can kiss the most ass.

[Battle Mage]

guillotina is an anagram of "guilt an oil"

maybe stick them together, since Guillotina talks so big

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Sugar Cain
VOTE: Oily

Only the first vote will be counted. You may not vote for two people.

the first vote? surely most recent i.e. last!? damnit Mod, we need a consensus here

[Battle Mage]

Wait is flea taking the votes on him personally?
That's concerning for my scum read of his slot.
though I don't know why he's just thinking that we don't like him or something.
I like Flea.

Flea took things very personally in their last game as scum. Flea is also likely to take it personally you called Flea a "him", so be warned!!

[Battle Mage]

apparently i was too slow

[Battle Mage]

wow that post went weird.

i'm not super motivated for this atm, too much of the "I think you're scum but i'll never vote you coz i love you" crap alongside the "i am gonna rage and be a jerk to you" crap. I'm fine volunteering to be on the chopping block as long as I get to pick the opponent - does that sound fair?

This isn't fair to me because I'm town this game and I think you're town this game so 1v1ing is a 50% higher chance of miseliminating than both participants being scum.

I have a little time for this since I moved.

ok help me kill Oil scum then

[Battle Mage]

if your 2 choices both involve Oil-scum, vote Oil?

[Battle Mage]

Wait is flea taking the votes on him personally?
That's concerning for my scum read of his slot.
though I don't know why he's just thinking that we don't like him or something.
I like Flea.

Flea took things very personally in their last game as scum. Flea is also likely to take it personally you called Flea a "him", so be warned!!

in my first game as scum, definitely did. In Among Us, not so much.

you took it personally in Among Us. you got legitimately upset when I called out your analysis as bad-faith and scummy, and iirc said you wouldn't post any ISOs again because i'd hurt your feelings.

[Battle Mage]

fire's vote on me is BS policy/rage voting.

i ain't mad at u? or policy u. I scumread u.

also what is a "fae"

Faer. Your vote looked like OOG rage/policy.

ttfn

[Battle Mage]

excuse my ignorance but what exactly is a "fae"

Fae = faeries = a pronoun choice that causes a lot of anger in the pagan world.

It's also the one I'm most comfortable with, if you're not comfortable using fae/faer please use they/them

wait like the mythical creature?
okay im just gonna use they

Like the beings told in scare tales that people often make bad deals with.

and that's fair

is it fair?

or is it faer?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Sugar Cain
VOTE: Oily

Only the first vote will be counted. You may not vote for two people.

I thought we all had 2 votes??????

O_o

-hmmmm

were you not slightly surprised that nobody else was using their 2nd vote, for the entire 30 pages? stretching credulity a little there

[Battle Mage]

Wait is flea taking the votes on fae personally?
That's concerning for my scum read of faer slot.
though I don't know why fae's just thinking that we don't like faer or something.
I like Flea.

ftfy.

Thank you, sorry. I mean nothing by it.

Uhh, I'm not scum partners with anyone in this game so Oil tycoon is also not partners with me.
Also, please, for my sanity don't try to full solve the game. with partners before flips etc.
It never works.

But I have maps

I checked my role pm and it says I'm town and I have no scum partners.
So your map is a forgery or you drew it yourself. With doodles.

DOODLES ARE FUN THO!

please try and find some scum or something, or at least do something useful with your vote

[Battle Mage]

guillotina is an anagram of "guilt an oil"

maybe stick them together, since Guillotina talks so big

lol that's p clever

thanks

[Battle Mage]

All's Fair in Love and Mafia

Spoiler:

Nvm, dunno why I thought you were voting BM. What makes you think flea and BM are town

Just the intensity, depth, and pointlessness of the wall fight. Tbh I skimmed that noise.

you skimmed yet you're calling TvT? uhh...*shrug* fair.

I actually like this VOTE: Flea

What do you like about it?

That you're getting pressured. I'm liking this push from the new BM

Fair doobie.

*Offers Mastina a Mocha made by faer own fair hand*

My read came from analyzing our interaction and then going back and rereading ur interaction with bell. I don't think its coincidence that we had a tiffy nor bell and u had one. I think its motivated in a way to engage in fights to make it look like ur getting into TvT

Fair enough, so If I ask you to look at Oil and bell interactions?

Like the beings told in scare tales that people often make bad deals with.

and that's fair

I think your seeking to start fights in a way to get townread.

Unless this is the answer, in which case, fair.

fire's vote on me is BS policy/rage voting.

i ain't mad at u? or policy u. I scumread u.

also what is a "fae"

Fair. Your vote looked like OOG rage/policy.

eh my brain was in the bin, was half light hearted was half "wtf do i do then?"
but fair.

-------------------------------

wow that post went weird.

i'm not super motivated for this atm, too much of the "I think you're scum but i'll never vote you coz i love you" crap alongside the "i am gonna rage and be a jerk to you" crap. I'm fine volunteering to be on the chopping block as long as I get to pick the opponent - does that sound fair?

This isn't fair to me

[Battle Mage]

i was never rude to flea, get outta here

[Battle Mage]

my tolerance for crap is super low, find me some scum, let's nom someone

nom nom nom

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: flea

ok fine, we need to get consensus

[Battle Mage]

Johnny reporting for duty. Ima go skim 15 pages, somebody tell me something important

johnny we need you on duty more, please vote flea or oil. we are floundering and the game depends on progress.

[Battle Mage]

there has really been no progress

please dude, i'm begging you

[Battle Mage]

originally i thought the 'Sugar' in Sugar Cain was Noraa

I was expecting 50% cupcakes and rainbows and 50% trashing Mathblade

[Battle Mage]

im not voting the best hydra because they are missing a head - does not compute

also did Syryana ever show up in the Oil hydra?

[Battle Mage]

There are three hydras this game.
Noraa + Johnny - we are extremely obvtown
Nero Cain + Momrangal - Mom is avoiding the thread big time
Syr + Nacho - both are avoiding thread big time

I find it not cool that

unwnd took all the good town players and made them scum

. Its not fair.

-norbearbear

why are you assuming i'm scum? where's the case?

[Battle Mage]

Syryana is a good town player, and capable of towning it up

[Battle Mage]

Syryana is a good town player, and capable of towning it up

I thought her earliest few posts were really bad. But then again, I'm p sure she's scum so that explains it.

-norbearbear

Please don't get pronouns wrong, it's really disrespectful.

[Battle Mage]

Syryana is probably scum, but we can still be friendly!

[Battle Mage]

alright, you've apologised so i'll let it go.

[Battle Mage]

All's Fair in Love and Mafia

Spoiler:

Nvm, dunno why I thought you were voting BM. What makes you think flea and BM are town

Just the intensity, depth, and pointlessness of the wall fight. Tbh I skimmed that noise.

you skimmed yet you're calling TvT? uhh...*shrug* fair.

I actually like this VOTE: Flea

What do you like about it?

That you're getting pressured. I'm liking this push from the new BM

Fair doobie.

*Offers Mastina a Mocha made by faer own fair hand*

My read came from analyzing our interaction and then going back and rereading ur interaction with bell. I don't think its coincidence that we had a tiffy nor bell and u had one. I think its motivated in a way to engage in fights to make it look like ur getting into TvT

Fair enough, so If I ask you to look at Oil and bell interactions?

Like the beings told in scare tales that people often make bad deals with.

and that's fair

I think your seeking to start fights in a way to get townread.

Unless this is the answer, in which case, fair.

fire's vote on me is BS policy/rage voting.

i ain't mad at u? or policy u. I scumread u.

also what is a "fae"

Fair. Your vote looked like OOG rage/policy.

eh my brain was in the bin, was half light hearted was half "wtf do i do then?"
but fair.

-------------------------------

wow that post went weird.

i'm not super motivated for this atm, too much of the "I think you're scum but i'll never vote you coz i love you" crap alongside the "i am gonna rage and be a jerk to you" crap. I'm fine volunteering to be on the chopping block as long as I get to pick the opponent - does that sound fair?

This isn't fair to me

Whats the purpose of this post anyway?

i noticed you say "fair" in so many of your posts. like 4 times the rest of the playerlist combined. i looked at a towngame and scumgame of yours, and you didnt use the word to that extent in either. What does that mean? You look more confident here compared to Among Us, but is it a facade? Maybe you think this is a new game and a new you, or you're going all out to make up for last game.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: oil tycoons

tick tock

[Battle Mage]

I may be wrong but I'm hard-townreading Guillotina here. Definitely not in the 1v1 today.

Oil + Flea could work

[Battle Mage]

Im going to wait for Guillo to flip but after he flips scum, im going to be looking hard into these defenders.

-norberabear

Guillo probably isn't flipping today. He's at E-4, he's not even the biggest wagon by my count.

can we seriously get some consensus here? Everyone agrees Oil is scum...yet we can't even get a majority to put them into the final showdown. What is the point of chasing a vanity wagon at this stage?

[Battle Mage]

this is textbook Guillo-town, although maybe he has some game as scum

[Battle Mage]

Bell, I'm convinced, but we also need a majority first, and Oil is closer.

Flea and Noraa are just posturing on a vanity wagon for no reason

[Battle Mage]

Stop. Guillo in Yellowstone was town and I tunneled him. We took up a straight up like twenty pages with our bickering. Here look at him. He's lurking out and hoping this dies down. I don't care what excuses he comes back and gives but I know that town!guillo is way too prideful to ever back down from a 1v1. I can only see a scum!guillo backing down for self preservation.

Todays arena is Guillo v Oily. Both are scum so vote whoever the fuck u wanna cuz we are hitting scum today.

-norbearbear

I think you're wrong and Guillo is town. He is playing exactly as he played in the one game I played with him, even to the minute details - where he was town.

So you can spam the fuck out of the game all you want, I'm not voting them.

We have 2 days or something to get a majority, this level of fostering dissention from you and Flea is anti-town.

[Battle Mage]

This derailing of Guillo's wagon is terrible but I also realize that oil's wagon has been stalling a shit ton too.
Both are going into that arena today and if this doesn't happen, we are doing heavy vca tomorrow to see who let their scum buddies go.
Vote guillo with me and I will vote oil right after guillo is thrown into the arena.

-letsstrikeadeal

nah ur guillo read is terrible dude

i even brought out an emoji i'm so disappointed in u

[Battle Mage]

like im not super invested in this game but we're 40 pages deep, and i'd rather we put 2 actually scummy players in the showdown to make it worthwhile

[Battle Mage]

im not that fussy, pretty much anyone other than my townreads:

Noraa
Guillotina
Bell

[Battle Mage]

dude i dont give a fuck. if i'm wrong, i'm wrong. but mafia is a game of judgement, and my judgement is very strongly in the camp of Guillo-town. and it's underpinned by logic too. Your meta runs completely counter to my own first hand experience of Guillo.

[Battle Mage]

noraa, we nearly had an actual majority on Oil, before you bailed for no reason.

[Battle Mage]

im not happy with flea getting off the hook either

[Battle Mage]

noraa, we nearly had an actual majority on Oil, before you bailed for no reason.

If you won't vote guillo with me, I don't have to vote oil with you.

-norbearbear

you were voting oil on your own previously - nothing to do with me.

Then you randomly decided against actually reaching a consensus, which is why I have explained your play is anti-town in this setup.

[Battle Mage]

you wont railroad me anyway, so dont waste your effort

[Battle Mage]

oh and Guillo, you're welcome for the hard-defend.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: flea

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: flea

BM, ffs stop. If you're going to disagree with Oil vote G as their flip may help read others.

Titus, why would I vote for my townread over my scumread, when they had pretty much the same votes?

I didn't disagree with Oil, I was being pragmatic - we need A flip, and Flea is clearly better chance of scumflip than Guillo.

[Battle Mage]

Ok, I may be a bit worried about my vote on oil

Your vote isn't on Oil. I'm alone.

well now i feel guilty

[Battle Mage]

Flea is playing like Flea plays as scum

Guillo is playing like Guillo plays as town

what on earth do you want from me Titus?

[Battle Mage]

I have shown flexibility and common sense, but also going with my reads. gimme a break

[Battle Mage]

if Flea is town here, they should start playing like it and makes everyone's life easier.

i'm not remotely interested in elimming one of my very few townreads.

if I'm wrong, so fking what, that's the game

[Battle Mage]

I'm gonna vent so hard if we flip Guillo and Guillo is town, it's gonna be gross

[Battle Mage]

Flea is playing like Flea plays as scum

Guillo is playing like Guillo plays as town

what on earth do you want from me Titus?

Wrong

Meh ok

A vote on Oil or a vote on G.

No Titus, I'm not wrong. Looks like you are, because you were actually in that game.

[Battle Mage]

Strongly prefer Oil.

Oil clearly ain't happening. This game is doomed.

I should probably just do what half the playerlist is doing (nothing) and forget about it.

[Battle Mage]

Strongly prefer Oil.

thoughts on noraa and flea switching from oil to G and adding unessisary posting while still wanting Oil?

ill give you my unsolicited thoughts - it was nonsensical and scummy.

[Battle Mage]

someone sheep me, i'm grouchy

[Battle Mage]

if Flea is town here, they should start playing like it and makes everyone's life easier.

i'm not remotely interested in elimming one of my very few townreads.

if I'm wrong, so fking what, that's the game

AtE/dismissive and stubborn.

BM is goin in that arena.

I hope I do. Maybe I'll get stuck in there with someone I think is town, and we can just stall out for 2 days.

[Battle Mage]

Flea is playing like Flea plays as scum

Guillo is playing like Guillo plays as town

what on earth do you want from me Titus?

You don't have the knowledge to say that with complete conviction.

I know you inside out

[Battle Mage]

like flea scum literally got called out in their last game for bad-faith pushes. and that's all they've done in this game. No idea how anyone can town read them. *shakes head in disbelief*

[Battle Mage]

flea I'm fairly sure scum are laughing hard now regardless of your alignment.

[Battle Mage]

if i'm in a showdown, is it just me and the other person who can talk? sounds peaceful if so, i'm in!

[Battle Mage]

yup. while the others vote for a winner and loser.

You're not on todays considerations, why try and gain towncred?

you're saying im not on todays considerations? didnt you just say i was your number 1 pick for scum? get your story straight

PS: I'm not "trying to gain towncred", I'm just town.

[Battle Mage]

Bad vote oil. your options are me or Guillotina currently, unless you want to try and generate a flashwagon so we don't have to SSGSS a wagon for the second combatant.

My options are whatever I want them to be.

We have two days on the clock, 2 more days for the second combatant, and no need for a consensus to get someone into the arena.

Flea, would this game improve if you were conftown?

Make sure G and Oil answer this as well.

Also Titus would like your input.

I will answer this if and only if Titus explains what the point of the question is

.

why are we not flipping this?

[Battle Mage]

Wanna talk out some of the others with me?

Noraa - certainly talks a lot. Not AI for her. Seemed happy at the start of the early game, not sure if she can fake that as scum now. Didn't like the doublevoting thing. Reminds me of Death Scroll fuckery.
Sugar Kain - No experience with either head recently. Your thoughts?
BM - Definitely different from both games I've experienced with him. Not sure what that says about his alignment this game. Nacho has a serious hate on (scumread) for him, but I'm unconvinced. Wouldn't mind having a conversation with him.
Mastina - have completely outsourced this read to Nacho for reasons. What's off to you?
Flea - Nacho has a hard townread here and I haven't seen anything from faer to make me want to effort disagreeing with him. Mind, last time I talked to him was last weekend. You're thinking town too?

Guillo - Everyone's got a hate on for this guy but I haven't seen a good reason why. He needs to let go of the Noraa thing and talk to cooler heads though.

Syryana where have you been? your hydra buddy has killed your slot deader than a dodo. Can you redeem it?

I am happy to talk with you anytime, but please sign your posts so I know who is who.

[Battle Mage]

okay looking at mastina's reads more, there's a LOT of waffling/hedging on her reads

inconsistencies on the detail too.

On the one hand she says Flea is town because: "I've liked faer reasoning, I've liked faer pushes, I'm liking everything fae is putting forward"

when Flea has only really blindly tunnelled me...and Mastina also thinks I'm town.

So what is good about Flea's pushes, or what they are putting forward?

On the wagonomics, I feel like Oil does get bussed here quite easily as an unreliable hydra slot, which is consistent with what has happened. I feel Flea is much less likely to get bussed because scumteam would feel guilty about it because they are prolific and care.

[Battle Mage]

I am certain guillo is scum. pls help me.

-plsssssssss

this is a ridiculous thing to say unless you have a mech guilty.

1 chance to revoke, otherwise I'm tunnelling you to death once Guillo flips town.

[Battle Mage]

Flea, how is Titus misrepping me!?

[Battle Mage]

I like this game tbh.
It’s fast and spammy but there are a lot of good things about it too.

I’m surprised flea got eliminated at all if this is how he posted in among us. I stopped reading the second I died because eternal shame.

you had nothing to be ashamed of there - i thought you were town iirc!

Hope everything is ok or becomes ok soon, oil.

Call me wacky but I don't think I'll personally learn much from guil being in the arena with anyone. I'd just like them dead, but that's not exactly what we're voting for here, yeah?

@BM if you're in the arena, who do you wanna fight?

@Firebringer - same question

-j

someone weak and scummy. Oil slot if Syryana promises not to post - last time we played, he bested me! I want an easy win, as I have a very important role.

Guillotina, you're hardclaiming PR at several points now and "[youre] important".

you also say that you do this as VT to draw the night kill...

Why claim so quickly under no pressure and why do so to avoid votes? Why not prod and poke the votes on you, gather information, throw out that information while building cases and pushing your scumreads to give town something to work with?

Why are you rolefishing like this!? We haven't even picked the final 2 yet, there shouldnt be any claims right?

[Battle Mage]

Hope everything is ok or becomes ok soon, oil.

Call me wacky but I don't think I'll personally learn much from guil being in the arena with anyone. I'd just like them dead, but that's not exactly what we're voting for here, yeah?

@BM if you're in the arena, who do you wanna fight?

@Firebringer - same question

-j

I would like answers to these ftr

patience is a virtue ftr

[Battle Mage]

Flea, how is Titus misrepping me!?

She hasn't, you're misrepping me.

...I think it's probably fair to say nobody has any idea what you're talking about then

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Oil

[Battle Mage]

kookie and flea voting together again. how interesting.

[Battle Mage]

you're right, my bad

[Battle Mage]

bell is lookin so townie here

still happy with kookie in the townbloc, although if Flea flips scum I'll re-evaluate.

[Battle Mage]

i did type a proper response flea, and then i realised...I cba with you atm. All you do is respond to people with "NO U". If you decide you want to actually scumhunt like a townie, I'll be here to talk. But it's a waste of thread-space to debate with you if, as people with more experience of you have claimed, bad-faith tunnelling people regardless of alignment is your playstyle.

[Battle Mage]

And no there shouldn't be ANY claims happening BM, but I've seen more than 1 so far and frankly it concerns me.

have you considered stopping rolefishing then? because the closest we've come to a claim so far, was entirely because of you?

[Battle Mage]

i did type a proper response flea, and then i realised...I cba with you atm. All you do is respond to people with "NO U". If you decide you want to actually scumhunt like a townie, I'll be here to talk. But it's a waste of thread-space to debate with you if, as people with more experience of you have claimed, bad-faith tunnelling people regardless of alignment is your playstyle.

BS.

Because why not post it? If you've gone to all that effort, why not post it?

You're full of misrep, and you're just full of rubbish. You're going in the arena.

no, you just have no self-awareness apparently. you accuse me of things you do, and i don't. there's no value in talking to you - keep screaming into the abyss if it makes you feel better. Your tunnel on me is clearly anti-town regardless of your alignment, similar to Mastina's tunnel on me in Pooky vs FL. Unlike you, I actually care about sorting your slot, and this dialogue doesn't do you any favours.

[Battle Mage]

there's something almost funny about being accused of misrep by the player who has been obsessed with misrepping my slot's opinions all game

[Battle Mage]

part of me wonders if flea is just salty and embarrassed that i called out their lying about our experience together earlier in the game. but from my PoV this tunnel is exactly what I know Flea would do as scum, so my read is perfectly understandable, although I'm willing to be proven wrong.

[Battle Mage]

Straight up, I'm putting BM in that arena. They stink of trying to manipulate my position for miselimination, misrepresenting me at all possible moments, and trying to squeeze information out of me they seem to have missed.

For someone who knows me inside out, they're doing a bad job of whatever it is they're trying to do.

dude, you're just salty with me, give it a rest.

[Battle Mage]

battlemage stop being rude.
flea stop i don't know. dancing.
ur avatar looks like it is dancing and i can't stand for it any longer.

im not being rude.

so, err, what do you want? other than to bait me?

[Battle Mage]

it seems like every BM towngame has someone irrationally tunnel him

yeah i wonder how this goes in rl with battle mage

lol irl i dont associate with jerks. online it can't be helped sometimes.

[Battle Mage]

so, err, what do you want? other than to bait me?

if i wanted to fight u, i would be fighting u.
but im not. So tone down rhetoric against flea. Call them scum and lets move on.

i think you need to re-read the substance of what's been said. My posts were not singularly focussed on them being scum - which was precisely my point.

From my perspective, Flea has been rude to me consistently in this game. And there's nothing worse than somebody weighing in to antagonise things further when they really needn't be involved. You've done it twice now I believe - to put it nicely, it's unhelpful.

[Battle Mage]

to Gamma's point, I figure the reason I get irrationally tunnelled is because I'm LHF nowadays in these type of games. which itself is slightly sad.

[Battle Mage]

For the sweet love of Jesus, we get it BM and Flea.

The more you talk on the topic, the less persuasive you are. You give Flea room to hide. If Flea is scum, fae will have reads that are shallow. Faer interactions with others will ring hollow eventually. As long as you two talk and tunnel each other you give the other person space to look genuine because everyone genuinely dislikes being tunneled.

Let each other breathe.

we're 50 pages deep Titus. I think if people haven't clocked that Flea's reads are empty by now, they probably never will. I have tried several times to extend the olive branch though and said I won't engage with that slot's tunnel on me to keep the game moving productively.

[Battle Mage]

Flea has gotten into 3 arguments with people in this game. I think most town would go "ummm what am i doing that is causing me to get into these many conflicts" and then try to steer away as much as possible from that. But theres little disengagements. I don't think its townie.

Do you remember noob Titus?

Titus u have always been my senpai.

Noob Titus would pick a fight with anyone who disagreed with her reads.

I'm not reading that Flea wall.

me neither, I promised I'd ignore.

[Battle Mage]

Out of respect for the rest of the players in this game, some of whom have requested such, I will not continue to discuss with you, Flea.

[Battle Mage]

Can flea and oil be scum together?

Let's flip Oil, then discuss their partner.

Why not the other way around?

yes they can, and Oil first because Oil is nearly over the line.

[Battle Mage]

No comment.

[Battle Mage]

you will buddy, all in good time.

[Battle Mage]

in return for me keeping quiet while I get baited, can someone please make this game fun for me again?

[Battle Mage]

you think he says that as Oil's buddy?

[Battle Mage]

bell is lookin so townie here

still happy with kookie in the townbloc, although if Flea flips scum I'll re-evaluate.

you've been shading me for a solid few pages now. wtf do u mean????

-norbearbear

have i? probably more about your gameplay than your alignment. You can be town and me not agree with you. You can also be town and be scummy-town. *shrug*

[Battle Mage]

And no there shouldn't be ANY claims happening BM, but I've seen more than 1 so far and frankly it concerns me.

Not a single person has claimed. BM and Guillo softed but frankly Guillo seems to find it wonderful to soft pr as vt under pressure and idk if BM is the same.

-tsutsu

Mine was only a joke

[Battle Mage]

Mine was only a joke

Ok well then we don't even have any softs cuz guillo's literally doesnt amount to jackshit cuz he thinks softing pr to save his vanilla town ass is a good idea.

-norbearbear

my view is, we shouldnt be drawing any attention to this, or spending any time indulging discussion about who may or may not be a PR.

[Battle Mage]

you're not pissing me off either Mastina, which I am grateful for.

[Battle Mage]

Titus do you agree Superbowl-scum busses Oil here?

[Battle Mage]

Titus do you agree Superbowl-scum busses Oil here?

The "what's the case" response could be a partner looking for something to defend Oil with.

I don’t see why scum would push Oil towards the finish line but they don't have a decent place to go as the G wagon disbanded.

it could on the surface. but i think scumteam sees Oil-scum as a write-off here, and wants to avoid the risk of tanking badly.

[Battle Mage]

I do agree for what it's worth, Flea v BM does seem TvT.

I don't think its TvT! I think Flea goal with each fight is to make it look like they are in a TvT!

qft

[Battle Mage]

I don't like you treating me like a child, drunk or not.

fuck....how old are you?? I'm not your dad. if you get drunk and act like a fool, that's entirely your responsibility

[Battle Mage]

I'm on weekend V/LA until evening of 11th Jan

[Battle Mage]

I have tried several times to extend the olive branch though and said I won't engage with that slot's tunnel on me to keep the game moving productively.

Have you?

I've seen no such thing.

I have also seen you state things that faer never do as town, do those as town. More than one person has noted it and your still going down this rediculous tunnel, to the extent that it seems that you're ignoring the rest of the game

i guess you're the head who hasn't been here? Read the game, as it doesn't appear from your assessment above that you have.

And sign your posts.

[Battle Mage]

Can we stop tearing each other apart and just get Gamma? No one TRs him because he's scum.

I'm neutral on Gamma. Nothing to make me want to vote for him.

[Battle Mage]

Can we stop tearing each other apart and just get Gamma? No one TRs him because he's scum.

I'm neutral on Gamma. Nothing to make me want to vote for him.

Why are you neutral?

His manner feels like it could be genuine. His posts haven't really stood out to me, but I think he made a couple of good takes.

In order of priority, I'd like to elim:

A scummy player
A useless player

Gamma is currently neither of the above.

[Battle Mage]

There's to much to read. Maybe if everyone stopped posting

It's fine to admit you're not reading. Believe me, I get it. But don't pretend you have and then try and make arguments based on something you don't understand because you don't know what has happened.

[Battle Mage]

it was easier when the Sugar Cain slot was just Nero Cain. you know what you get with Nero Cain.

[Battle Mage]

nah flea, i'm not interacting with you because you're making the game a complete chore for me, and I'm respecting the request from other players that I don't continue to indulge your behaviour at the expense of any other slots being looked at. your approach to me is objectively bad-faith, and anti-town, and if there's a majority of players bad enough to sheep you on it, I'm fine with dying. I'm only continuing playing in the vain hope that eventually you'll give it a rest and do something useful.

[Battle Mage]

There's to much to read. Maybe if everyone stopped posting

I can do this. But only if you promise to town read me and never stop.

Wish I could, our experience together was too brief. I can see some play parallels though

Pedit: I know what I have seen, and what my partner has told me. I also saw you removed yourself from the tunnel like titus had asked. I did see the initial post where you scum read him and I do remember it being super off base for someone you apparently know inside and out

based on the above, and your reading of the game, and what your partner has told you, do you understand why i might struggle to seriously engage with your characterisation of me as a serial tunneller, when my vote has flip-flopped more than anybody's and I've tried reasonably hard to stop the player in question from tunnelling, making the point that it isn't productive? You asked me a question, and it's impossible to answer when your starting presumption is, as you would say, "super off base".

[Battle Mage]

heh, what is it if town?

[Battle Mage]

Bell, who we elimming?

[Battle Mage]

i dont think we're getting flea atm. amazing we've totted up 60 pages and we havent even managed to select 1 player who we want to consider more closely.

[Battle Mage]

I also think the juxtaposition between his position on Flea and his interactions with you on an emotional level is him back sliding and contradictory in a way that I'm not sure BM would do as scum.

His interaction with Nacho is pretty classic BM, almost everyone has a bad first(ish) impression of BM and engages them as such with a negative interaction it's remarkly similar to how I first engaged them the first time I met them in which we got into a spat.
The other games you've played with him you were only really tangentially engaged/weren't being actively pushed by him.

I wish I could write like this as scum. This sort of posting is what is going to ensure I never play a good scum game. How do I even begin to make up this bullshit as scum?

i think its because people are jealous of me, don't take it to heart!

[Battle Mage]

dont worry Gamma, I got your back!

VOTE: Flea

[Battle Mage]

honestly I'd love to have the opportunity to slice BM into pieces personally

2 days absent...I still think this kind of thing is overboard and ridiculous. especially from somebody so precious about pronouns and the like.

I probably won't have time/inclination to read properly before deadline, but I'm super un-excited for a 1v1 with Gamma who I have no issue with. From recollection we mildly townread each other - uninspired choice for a Day 1 contest. Also from a wagonomics angle, I don't think Gamma-scum ends up in the duel here - the day has not been well managed from town perspective.

maybe this is another game where me dying pointlessly is the spark that motivates town to get it together.

If I do get roasted, my dying wish is that people actually look at the Flea slot and consider whether it has, at any time, been genuinely sorting. Or indeed, as I consider plausible, whether it has simply been lazily cruising on a BM-push, and compensating for lack of substance with an abundance of bad-faith takes and spam. I look at the number of people who have deemed it TvT (a common crutch when 2 people disagree vehemently), and have to wonder if that was Flea's strategy, off the back of their last scumgame where tunnelling me kept them out of trouble for a while.

I think I've played alright here so far and generally speaking it feels like I'm widely townread which is normally helpful. Most importantly I think I've shown personal restraint and prioritised keeping the game enjoyable and friendly, over defending myself personally and game-wise - and will hopefully continue to do so.

If I do end up in a 1v1, I will aim to respond to anything game-related which impacts on my alignment (probably new stuff only, as going back will just irritate me). I'll also re-read Gamma, but I don't expect to be arguing for his elim. I didn't really get the sense that Gamma was ever widely scumread either, so no idea how we ended up here - a result of apathy and animosity.

[Battle Mage]

especially from somebody so precious about pronouns and the like.

This is absolutely not acceptable.

You do not get to come here and disrespect us for asking for basic human decency and use that against my lockscum read on you.

+1 I didn't read the context here but a comment like this again Battle Mage and I will do whatever is in my power to see you removed. Once can be forgiven as a grevious error.

to be very clear:

I apologise for any offense caused - it was certainly not my intention.

As I say, I've tried my best this game to be level-headed and really just prefer it when everyone is nice and respectful to each other. I mostly play in the newbie queue these days because there's never any personal arguing like we've had here (and I seem to find in most games tbh).

I wish mafia could just be fun, and like - people can play well, or play badly, but there should always be that personal respect. On pronouns, I have always taken considerable care to get them correct for Flea as I understand it's something they care about. My point was simply that I wish that same courtesy had been extended towards me - instead, I think Flea has given me a hard time and gone beyond what I consider to be "playing the game". Decency is much broader than pronouns - it can be as simple as when somebody asks you to cool it a bit, you do it, rather than continuing to antagonise and browbeat them.

I don't want to discuss this, or anything really, anymore. I shouldn't really have to justify my feeling on something going too far for me - it would be better if everyone just kinda respected it, when we step out of the mafia bubble. I had hoped that going away for 2 days would have settled things down, but that doesn't appear to have happened. I also don't want to waste loads of thread-space going on about my feelings either, because that's not helpful.

[Battle Mage]

the apology extends to anyone offended, incidentally! as I say, my point was meant to be that I have tried to be very careful with pronouns which I know is an important thing for Flea, and was hoping that they could similarly calm down their approach on me to a level where I can really engage with the game (as I had asked). It has been stifling.

[Battle Mage]

especially from somebody so precious about pronouns and the like.

This is absolutely not acceptable.

You do not get to come here and disrespect us for asking for basic human decency and use that against my lockscum read on you.

Flea, in addition to the above, I will emphasise - I did not mean to either offend you, or use my views on your personal approach towards me as a means to secure an advantage in the game. Clearly that would be wrong. I have no issue with you scumreading me - that's part of the game. But I'm not at ease with the way you've approached my slot this game. Perhaps it's only me who feels that way, although others have raised it previously as being unhelpful to the game as a whole, but maybe I'm in a minority of one. Ultimately though, when it comes to our personal views and feelings, they are just that - personal. I have not suggested this is about blaming you, or blaming me - but I did agree to stop the confrontation and not respond, and would have preferred if you reciprocated. It doesn't mean you have to change your vote, or your position, but just that you let other things transpire in the game.

[Battle Mage]

somewhat ironic that my approach this game was premised on being much more detached emotionally, and we find ourselves here. I haven't got the appetite to fight Gamma anyway, so I'll eat the lim and the game can move on. I'm just a VT.

[Battle Mage]

My read on you is lockscum, as such I wish for you to be in the arena.
I would love to be the one to 1vs1 in the arena, I accepted that is not going to happen.
I am not going to drop my read on you, I am not going to stop pushing you as a result, and will continue to push for you to be placed in the arena as per my win condition of eliminating the scum aligned players.

You have made a personal attack based on something which gets enough abuse and trauma as it is. You are not forgiven, intention means very little when you use something like that as a weapon.

And before you go for it, I acknowledged that my intention wasn't enough when my comment went too far.

I have requested moderator intervention. I will no longer post in this thread until rectified.

So be it - I don't think me being booted is any great loss to the game. I think aside from an unwelcome comment I have treated you respectfully this game, and I don't think you have done so towards me. Nonetheless, I don't like to call the Moderator to adjudicate on conduct matters unless absolutely necessary, and as is clear from my comments, I have continued to try and encourage a more sociable tone between us.

In determining my continued participation, much will clearly, and perhaps justifiably, be made of my remark which was ill-judged and for which I have apologised. I've shared my remaining thoughts, and it's clear from your response that you won't agree to my request for a more respectful and less confrontational interaction, or for no interaction at all, which is a shame. Clearly there's a further lesson for me here in terms of detaching myself emotionally from these mafia games, to avoid feeling as I have this game, and reacting inappropriately as I have done in one instance. I remain a firm believer that these games should be fun, and perhaps I should have replaced out earlier anyway, but I was keen not to create more work for the Mod, or disrespect other players.

In the event I am subject to Mod action, best wishes to all.

[Battle Mage]

to bring things back to the actual game - somebody commented earlier that I might bus Oil Tycoons if I was scum with them. Answer: Unlikely, as I have played with Syryana before and he excelled at looking town (to my peril ).

[Battle Mage]

pending extension, VOTE: Mastina largely for self-preservation.

[Battle Mage]

Spoiler: Response to BM and FB regarding extragame incident.

My read on you is lockscum, as such I wish for you to be in the arena.
I would love to be the one to 1vs1 in the arena, I accepted that is not going to happen.
I am not going to drop my read on you, I am not going to stop pushing you as a result, and will continue to push for you to be placed in the arena as per my win condition of eliminating the scum aligned players.

You have made a personal attack based on something which gets enough abuse and trauma as it is. You are not forgiven, intention means very little when you use something like that as a weapon.

And before you go for it, I acknowledged that my intention wasn't enough when my comment went too far.

I have requested moderator intervention. I will no longer post in this thread until rectified.

So be it - I don't think me being booted is any great loss to the game. I think aside from an unwelcome comment I have treated you respectfully this game, and I don't think you have done so towards me. Nonetheless, I don't like to call the Moderator to adjudicate on conduct matters unless absolutely necessary, and as is clear from my comments, I have continued to try and encourage a more sociable tone between us.

In determining my continued participation, much will clearly, and perhaps justifiably, be made of my remark which was ill-judged and for which I have apologised. I've shared my remaining thoughts, and it's clear from your response that you won't agree to my request for a more respectful and less confrontational interaction, or for no interaction at all, which is a shame. Clearly there's a further lesson for me here in terms of detaching myself emotionally from these mafia games, to avoid feeling as I have this game, and reacting inappropriately as I have done in one instance. I remain a firm believer that these games should be fun, and perhaps I should have replaced out earlier anyway, but I was keen not to create more work for the Mod, or disrespect other players.

In the event I am subject to Mod action, best wishes to all.

I do believe you do regret the action taken in the heat of the moment, and I have spoken briefly with the moderator and meditated over the better course of action.

Mistakes happen, and I hope you won't take that course of action again.

That said, I understand I can come off as abrasive when I start to tunnel on someone. Due to the nature of the game, no interaction would not be a possibility. Less confrontational would be agreeable however again I believe there are several inconsistencies in your defence against my assault and I will continue to press on those as appropriate. I will refrain from the character aggression going forward.

I am gonna be real with you here. I do not think you should be playing mafia if this is your mindset.
If you are so insulted that you cannot play, then you should probably leave. I am not telling you to do so, but just saying.

demanding moderator intervention is probably not the way to go.

I'm sorry, does my request for basic human decency upset you? Would you rather I raise the point beyond the limits of the game? The act of personally attacking me based on my request my pronouns be respected is an act of transphobia, and not only goes against game rules but against site rules.

Where I as an LGBTQ person is disrespected on those grounds I will strike back using the means available to me. I don't forgive intentional attacks without witnessing the person making amends beyond an apology. Forgiveness will come in time, I'm sure.

If you post questions to me in good faith which relate to sorting my alignment (and preferably are concise), I will respond.

[Battle Mage]

yeah sad to see Titus go...if she did go?

[Battle Mage]

no Flea, it was me offering to engage with you on the game.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: superbowl9

[Battle Mage]

or is it Guillo + Dunn? Hmm, need to give this some thought

for now, let's go with Bell's flavour argument - love a flavour solve in a theme game.

VOTE: firebringer

[Battle Mage]

so Gamma was scum after all. damn WP.

VOTE: Finral

not a credible town open.

I'm also fine with Oil-elim today, as the game just screams Oil-scum here.

[Battle Mage]

to give a bit more meat to the bone:

Trying too hard to look like an earnest, analytical townie.
Inconsistent reads, even this early, without good explanation for variation (which indicates opinions are feigned rather than organic). I.e. from soft-town-read on Flea to hard-town-read on Flea with nothing in the middle,
Reads which just don't ring true, like townreading an interaction where Flea didn't seem remotely bothered about the unnecessary claim.
Early claim for literally no reason.
Just bad vibes dude, but welcome to the game nonetheless!