DBZ: Cell Games [Over]

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Father..... I trust in your reads

It's time for me to unleash my true potential

GUAHHHHHHHHH

VOTE: firebringer

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Hi Bell, BM, Nora, the whole playerlist...

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And guillotina hopefully we can get along better than last time

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And guillotina hopefully we can get along better than last time

If you are town we will. If you are not, i can't wait to yeet you.

Will ignoring you again make you mad/tilt? Because I thought it was the best thing to do last time but I think that just makes people more mad/tunnel me harder

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Father..... I trust in your reads

It's time for me to unleash my true potential

GUAHHHHHHHHH

VOTE: firebringer

Look kid, if you want to come back when you are bit older maybe you will have a chance in the junior division. I can't beat up a small child on national television though.

is firebringer scum too, or are you just buddying him?

If you want to look for allies of mine, then look no further as I don't need any allies.

(weird post by BM but probably not ai. actually might indicate town)

You're 100 years too early to challenge me. I may be small but it doesn't matter when your brain is 100 years younger than mine

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superbowl not even gonna question why i am voting my townread still. Interesting.

I'm not actually reading this, I have business to take care of a bookmark down

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And guillotina hopefully we can get along better than last time

If you are town we will. If you are not, i can't wait to yeet you.

Will ignoring you again make you mad/tilt? Because I thought it was the best thing to do last time but I think that just makes people more mad/tunnel me harder

You called that ignoring me in that game? you advocated for policy yeeting me and I learnt that your town meta was being methodical, practical, cold blooded and calculative, like a robot. Suddenly here you wanna get along and even throw in a smile? Do you change your meta at will like I do or is this your scum game?

Ig you will scumread me whatever I do, but yes I do try to change my meta a lot. People here will tell you that I don't really like "crossing the line" and making people not have fun. That being said I am very petty

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superbowl not even gonna question why i am voting my townread still. Interesting.

I'm not actually reading this, I have business to take care of a bookmark down

How dare you ignore the peoples champion

What was that? You're looking more like John Cena right now

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Don't worry I'll save this beatdown for the lord's day tomorrow

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anime is dumb

VOTE: Sugar Cain This needs to be TURBO LIMMED

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Anime is not dumb but DBZ is. Ironically DBZ is the only dumb anime i like.

You're cuttin it real close buddy

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BM is reading weird to me, his content isn't as happy? ig? as normal BM. But I just saw scum him and he wasn't like this either so not really sure what to make of it

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Is... is that RVS? huh... thought most of us had moved on from that at this point.

*monches some choc with fae Baileys*
Sorry nornor, I'd offer but I dunno if you're able to drink legally.

Anime must be protected

But also I don't think Nero is such a bad place for a vote rn

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Hi johnny I'll chat with you! I think Nero can be helpful as town if he's active, and easier to find as scum. Basically the earlier Nero is active the better for us so giving him an early push is positive

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anime is dumb

VOTE: Sugar Cain This needs to be TURBO LIMMED

VOTE: Sugar cain

nerds

@ whomever asked-my mini wagon is basically RVS wagon.

Not anymore buddy give me content or die

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What's the oil thing?

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Not anymore buddy give me content or die

this is how scum push me.

I am active and am reading hunting and playing. This whole "content or die" is a scum push.

vote: SB

You have 9 posts, half of which are <5 words and none of which have any hunting or actual content

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What's the oil thing?

The nacho syr hydra.
oily tycoons or something.

-nornorbear

No I know what the slot is im saying what is the thing everyone's SRing them for

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It's just a tradition that I'm scumread every D1 until I obvtown and become consensus D2

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And I'll have you know my bravado is never fake B)

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Hi johnny I'll chat with you! I think Nero can be helpful as town if he's active, and easier to find as scum. Basically the earlier Nero is active the better for us so giving him an early push is positive

Dunno how effective "I'm voting you so you'll be more active" votes are, especially when stated so plainly like this. Ditto for TItus' mwnn vote

-Jayjay

I mean it's working right now

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It's just a tradition that I'm scumread every D1 until I obvtown and become consensus D2

I won't let you die day 1. Obvtown and u can be my top TR day 2 and on
Also U-U it's always fun when you solve the whole game for me.

-nornorislazybear

<3 Hopefully you won't get deathtunneled this game as well. If you're town too we will be a power team

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Yeah the cain wagon is BS. Me no likey.

then vote SB.

that false bravado is scummy as fuck.

Last time superb was run up day 1 he was town. we are not going to have a repeat of that here.

-nornorsaysNONONO

this is a fallacy

He's lying when he says that I have no reads or content. Why would town lie like that?

also in a game that punishes us for posting more should he really be asking for more posts?

I didn't say you had no reads. Can you tell me what content you have? And wdym punishing us for more posts?

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I don't want superb in the 1v1 today because superb will be obvious town/scum sooner or later. There is no need to put his life at risk today.

-nornorbear

I think you're too late for that ToT

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Oh okay guess I won't be gunning for top poster then

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I like your old style better BM But do you

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I actually like this VOTE: Flea

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I actually like this VOTE: Flea

What do you like about it?

That you're getting pressured. I'm liking this push from the new BM

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Going V/LA from the 5th to the 10th

, beaches and sunshine baby!

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Spoiler:

Yeah the cain wagon is BS. Me no likey.

then vote SB.

that false bravado is scummy as fuck.

Last time superb was run up day 1 he was town. we are not going to have a repeat of that here.

-nornorsaysNONONO

this is a fallacy

He's lying when he says that I have no reads or content. Why would town lie like that?

also in a game that punishes us for posting more should he really be asking for more posts?

I didn't say you had no reads. Can you tell me what content you have? And wdym punishing us for more posts?

reads

ARE

content. My job is to find the scum and I don't need to comment on things that seem useless to me to do that. And it's not like the first 5-9 pages were super important. I'm not that kind of player that needs to be prodded for content and a guy with experience with me should know that. The only thing I could have maybe done a better job on is my gut Bell scum read.

Also

Super-Posting (Special Mechanic)

Each player uses Ki by posting. A player will achieve Super-Posting by making more than 60% of the posts after 20 Pages. Super-posting is a debuff that will limit your actions both in-thread and during the night phase. Your actions in NAR will be less prioritized (including beneficiaries done to you) and you may receive a MOD VOTE if you continue posting. After 24 hours your Super-posting will go down by 10%, allowing you to post again. If you are one of the two in Nomination Phase, this mechanic will not be in effect, just don't abuse it. Ki will reset each following dayphase.

We disagree on reads being content but there's an easy way for you to prove your point: start being useful

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456 Like that good job!

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Flea comes off to me in this interaction as sucm trying to brush off BM by taking the "high ground" if that makes sense? It's mostly tonal but also they seem to be trying to take BM's stuff and kill points/simplify whereas BM is trying to pry things open

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there is something that tell me he is scum.

LMAO what'd I tell ya

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456 Like that good job!

Im actually stupid and mixing hydras up aren't I?
that was Nero wasnt it?

-bigoooofity

Yep!

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Don’t worry nora you get used to it when it happens every game

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While this is true enough that active Nero is town Nero, pushing him doesn't really spur activity, and this game's mechanics are a slight nerf to Nero's natural style, yet Nero's content here does look to be heading in the right direction.

What? It literally did. I would give you math on what % of nero’s iso i prompted if I wasn’t on vacation, but i’m pretty sure I generated roughly half of it and then he went back to quiet once I pulled my pressure off. Nero CAN be extremely towny and helpful, but he not always IS.

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A word of advice mastina: you are arguing with a brick wall in guillotina. I still kinda want to just policy the guy because everything he spews out is basically NAI, but everytime I float a policy I get killed

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I think flea needs more votes but I don’t have enough time to case it, im fine with oil but ima keep it a buck they invited me to this so i feel bad ToT

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Johnny im about to do something crazy and stupid i need pacifism

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RAAAAAAHHHHH F*** CELL AND F*** THE POLICE

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They’re just scummy man can we vote em already

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Im not gonna case someone on mobile while im on vacation sorry

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Did you just go from SRing me to sheeping me in 3 posts get this guy outta here VOTE: guillotina

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7 pages aint gettin read anyone got a summary?

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Read it you lazy bun!
Theres actually a lot of content in it and you should read it.

-norbearbeartsunami

Im on vacation :/

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Ill read fully once i get back but thats like the 10th or 12th

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And u need my solving power in the meantime B) so cough it up someone!!

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7 pages aint gettin read anyone got a summary?

This is a slot y'all are refusing to eliminate for some reason.

(I do promise that, circa tomorrow, when I'm in a better headspace, I'll be typing up my thoughts on each slot--I'm just not in the headspace to make it tonight.)

Are you actually calling for a lim on me for not reading on V/LA?

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Hi im back and still not reading

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I think im gonna pull a titus and play from like a few pages back each day

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Can flea and oil be scum together?

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Can flea and oil be scum together?

Let's flip Oil, then discuss their partner.

Why not the other way around?

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Why do i never get what i want

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Is oil really that scummy? Like whats the case

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Is oil really that scummy? Like whats the case

When Oil eats scum, prepare to eat lead. I am not fighting Noraa to lim you.

Wow amazing case! They must be lockscum!

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I am in the game! Would you rather me spend an hour reading and giving like 1 comment or me spend an hour here talking about the game? ^that’s how i look at it

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superbowl vacation mode is prettty funny

Mastina imagine im on a beach sipping a pina colada

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You know the guy sitting in the car with the lady pounding on the window meme? Can someone make that with me and mastina’s heads

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Anything in particular you want me to read nora or mastina?

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Hello! Pina colada is almost done

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I am in the game! Would you rather me spend an hour reading and giving like 1 comment or me spend an hour here talking about the game? ^that’s how i look at it

Read superb’s ISO and very little sticks out as scummy besides this. While he says this I don’t see him working to follow through on this mindset. I feel like I tend to suspect him unfairly a lot which makes me super-skeptical of my own suspicions on him, but I think this game he’s just been unremarkable, which might actually be a sign he’s scum
does this line up with anyone else’s superb SR or are they thinking something else?

I tried to discuss the game but all anyone wanted to do was tell me to read which is not happening

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IM BACK BABY

But I might not read tonight cause im moving back in if not I'll read by tomorrow and then solve the game

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Oh what when's deadline

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Did deadline pass lol?

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So is the thread locked for only the two arena people? And what happens if we don't nominate/reach majority, the next highest goes in or we no lim?

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Hehehe I see a chance to omgus wagon - what’s the VC rn? Or at least where are the leading wagons, cause I’m not going to be able to get a full read by deadline

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Oh i guess it reset after the first one got in?
VOTE: mastina you haven’t read this post yet so you’re scum until you do

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Why’d we do gamma?? Did they obvscum because I’m trying to give them a fair shake after SRing them like 80 games in a row

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Also, I want to die.

I like alive bell more than dead bell

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Whoa shit is going down

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Naturally, the coolest character in the series, Tien, dies first.

RIP.

Krillin would like a word

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FATHER YOU'RE GOING TO DESTROY THE WHOLE PLANET!!!! YOU'VE GOT TO STOP ITTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!

TRUNKS!!! LETS GOOOOO!!!!!!

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Okay I've read and I'm in solve mode so let's get crackin

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Still don't think BM and Flea is TvT or SvS. It still feels to me like flea tried to shake off BM's tunnel rather than escalate/engage

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BM's town, bell's town, nora's town (and if not I won't be able to see it anyways). Flea/guillotina lock it in

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I guess I just think flea's scum lol. It's more tonal but bm was def the aggressor and flea was the diffuser. It's subtle but sometimes people can also attack to diffuse

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VOTE: Flea

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Also not sure how that gamma wagon happened, sure he's not obvtowning but his posting has been good so far

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And I'm pretty sure I have a 100% gamma scumread rate (excluding right now) sooo

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Dunn I'm gonna take you off setup spec for now. Good to know you're town though

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Who's scum to you right now dunn?

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So everytime I get on yall just leave huh -.-

I get it it's ignore super week

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I guess I just think flea's scum lol. It's more tonal but bm was def the aggressor and flea was the diffuser. It's subtle but sometimes people can also attack to diffuse

Congratulations you missed the point entirely.
Is that the entirety of your point against me?

I like your theory on a Mr Satan bell but you have to remember that this is firebringer, I was also just saying DBZ shit with him at the start that titus took as a flavor soft. Pretty sure fire would do something similar

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Oops wrong quote, ^ to that one i wanted to say

“Yeah. Is that a probelm”

And it was gonna look cool but now it doesnt -.-

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Oops wrong quote, ^ to that one i wanted to say

“Yeah. Is that a probelm”

And it was gonna look cool but now it doesnt -.-

Please return your sunglasses and "cool card" as soon as possible to your nearest distribution point.
And yes, there is a slight problem there I can't be arsed going over it with you though.

Even though you're scum I love your style

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I think I'm going to let Superbowl pocket me if they are scum because something there is poking at me to just accept that they're town and go from there despite my common sense wanting to push them as scum.

This guy's smart

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Or, well it's right after but I assumed that when she died, she hypnotized everyone

Pedit: not true! I know a little

HYNPOTIZED EVERYONE!?!?!?!?!?!

U KNOW A LITTLE?!?!!

THIS IS DRAGON BALL Z. NO ONE HYNPOTIZES ANYONE HERE.

(well i guess not counting babidi but he isn't in cell games arc)

You mean you don't know about the hypnotic powers of final flash?

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I think oil makes the most sense in game context as scum but I liked the other head (not nocho)'s posts. If I'm honest though I just don't see oil chainsawing that hard for scum flea early like that

pedit luv u 2 bby <3

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I think I'm going to let Superbowl pocket me if they are scum because something there is poking at me to just accept that they're town and go from there despite my common sense wanting to push them as scum.

This guy's smart

He looks smart but he is BLIND.

Seems noobish. Reminds me of you if you didn't wallpost so much

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Oil, Guillo, Flea?

Now THAT is scary

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Oh lord oil is actually bad live

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mastina (5): Bell, Dunnstral, Oil Tycoons, superbowl9, Battle Mage

This was me coming in with 14 hours left or something and placing down a vote, following bell and also mastina looked to be making stuff up on their read on me

I still don't know why the rest followed onto mastina

Let's ask them.

@Oil @superbowl @Battle Mage

Why did you?

I said it when I put my vote

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Oh lord oil is actually bad live

Why? Give me something other than vague commentary for once.

Oh so nowwwwww we want an oil case. I see how it is.

Their posts just read very agendad. It feels so inorganic there's a very strong gut reaction when I read it. You don't get that?

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if you are town, you needed to do more than this here.

This is rich, coming from you.

If you don't scumread the everliving fuck out of Finral for that opening post, I don't know what to tell you.

If you didn't scumread Gamma before for being a toneless robot who mindlessly sheeped and didn't react to anything until called out, I don't know what to tell you.

Bell, I love you, but the flavor argument sucks. Vote Finral.

And ftr, it IS a Mr. Satan quote. I don't think Firebringer's dumb enough to roleplay Mr. Satan when he's got a global loud roleblock that spews Mr. Satan quotes, though.

We'll agree to disagree. Where's your head at outside of FB?

Well, I'm here if you want to leave the firm foundation of fact and journey together through the murky marshes of memory into thickets of wildest guesswork.

Here's the page I got that from. They use a lot of linguistic crutches which I believe is giving me this interpretation - the anaphoria in the first post, exaggeration/inflating language all over, the unnecessarily lengthy description in the last post. It just feels like someone not comfortable with their content adding support to it to make it come off better.

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We've come full circle now to me being the one to actually case them

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Their posts just read very agendad. It feels so inorganic there's a very strong gut reaction when I read it. You don't get that?

I don't get it, it feels typical nacho.

I'm also keen on seeing things from mastinas pov, and put the nacho-dra as town here.

I haven't played with nacho before

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VOTE: Superbowl9

-.-

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I think oil makes the most sense in game context as scum but I liked the other head (not nocho)'s posts. If I'm honest though I just don't see oil chainsawing that hard for scum flea early like that

pedit luv u 2 bby <3

Could you explain the game context that makes Oil seem likely to be scum?

My townreads all scumread them. Actually don't know anyone who isn't scumreading them, hence me saying it's feeling a little too one-way right now

Oil, Guillo, Flea?

Now THAT is scary

Why is that scary?

Noobish guy comes in and basically echoes my solve that I've already been having doubts about

@Unwnd, np.

@Flea: Are you joking? Literally nothing I've done this game makes any sense for scum me to do.

pedit: hi!

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I knew I was gonna mismatch those colors :/

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Yeah maybe noobish is the wrong word? Gives me guillotina vibes, like surface level almost? Not sure how to say it in a non-dick way

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Thoughts on flea/bm bell? that's been my basis for solving so far

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Really, what's been your logic in sorting then if that interaction's not on your radar?

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Firebringer is an interesting one, I think my approach is to just let him sort himself. Not sure if it works yet.

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I think BM emotionally makes sense, but he made something of his alignment this game in relation to the push against flea which led me to hesitate.

Flea's play around that argument was purely NAI.

I think the sense of nothingness I got from the reaction was what scumpinged me, like they were more focused on the mechanics of the interaction than getting sucked up in it

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Hi Nora!

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Let's start a big fight and see how people react. You are a scumbutt.

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VOTE: kookiemonster

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Tell me why you're not scum or else

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You know what I think this kinda stuff is why people scumread me now that I think about it

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Who's the scum?

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I'm down for Flea + tina in the ring. Nero has been towning up imo since I pushed him at the start

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I've never been more disinterested in a game before ... well minus the one time Flavor personally attacked me for pages.

-Noraa

It's cause I was V/LA during all the action ToT

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VOTE: Flea Can we get this in please

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VOTE: Guillotina I can never get things my way -.-

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I am obvtown but why would my opinion be important here? It wasn't important when I was fucking PRESENT AND ACTIVE. Now that I'm literally dead on the inside for this game, y'all decide to not brush away what I say?

God my luck is just always shit.

-Noraa

Welcome to superbowl world :/

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See flavor we think exactly alike

[superbowl9]

See flavor we think exactly alike

Except you aren't as big a saltfuck as I am lately.

Clearly you havent been reading my games

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You're really not, thats the thing... and it annoys me.

Then why are you scum reading me?

*sunglasses at 9 pm*

Because I'm pretty sure you're scum.

And this ladies and gentleman if Faer is not scum is why you don't use reasons for scum hunting unless you're good to decntat usingthem with some analysis.
There are plenty of in game posts that point strongly away from me being scum this game.

I would advise you focus on those instead.

Problem is Flea is just scum

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Idk I have been pretty salty/enraged recently. I think some ppl think that is my normal state but I like to be lowkey

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We're Jimmy Cracker, human reporter = survivor.

Our ability is Reporting to you Live! and we have to use all three shots of it and survive to the end in order to win - a positive report, a negative report, a neutral report.

Negative report is what we used last night - roleblocks everything but scum kill.

Positive report soups up all active abilities.

Neutral does nothing.

This is just a scumclaim

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It seems like yall only post when I'm not here -.-

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Flea goes in too, 2 scum for the price of one

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a double elimination doesn't help us, we're on odds right now

I think it helps us if flea is scum to have them blow themselves up and take a 3p in the process than to blow themselves up with a town in there.
Or be outside an arena and be able to kill both town players in there if that becomes a thing later.

It's presuming flea is scum tho. Which they might not be.
I have a semi solution. Maybe to that particular conundrum.

I'm just worried about pulling one of those plays that seems smart but is actually idiotic.

Don't worry if it's a bad plan I will be letting you know

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The "double elimination" is me removing myself from the game. I activate it at night and I no longer exist as far as the game is concerned. I leave the time stream.

This just sounds like another scumsiding 3P

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Anyone else think Bell's playing the "i don't know better than anyone, don't trust me" card too much?

Nope that's just Bell

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We vote scum into the arena, oil lives and activates the positive ability tonight, if all abilities are enhanced, we'll know about it.
Then frankly Oil becomes arena bait if we can't decide who is scum to send into the arena.

Anyone else amused by Finrals ignorance of this?

In theory if we have a protective and oil activates the power tonight nobody dies.
Also in theory an investigative will get MULTIPLE RESULTS... or at least, something traceable.

Yes because we should believe the team that gave scum a free IC kill

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I have a one shot ability that can detect a mafia indicator when players are in the arena.

I will heal them if they're negative for the indicator, and hurt them if they do.

If both don't have the indicator we fade Oil.
If Flea has the indicator we fade flea.

If oil and flea have the indicator we fade oil.
If oil has the indicator we fade oil.
and spare flea.

Got it?
Got it.

So you can use the indicator on both arena ppl or only one? Or does it just detect if there's scum in the arena? I like the logic of this plan though

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All abilities have to be used in their wincon. An IC is going to draw a protective regardless and yes I disagree it should've been used then but I see their logic.

???? Exactly so use the neutral or positive power if you're townsiding, use the other the next night, and use the negative power last night. What they did DOES NOT make any sense unless they are scumsiding

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Both people in the arena.
It has individual indications for both players given to me.

so I will hurt both of them if they're both positive and will heal both of them if they're negative.
Or hurt one and heal the other. if one's positive and one isn't.

Gotcha. Your plan works then but I don't think it will give us as much utility now that we know there's 3Ps, since a negative isn't a town result

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We can't force flea's ability to activate right? Like if they're both red flea will just not use their ability and force us to lim oil tomorrow no?

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Yeah the more I think about it the less conclusive I think this will be

pedit: I thought it took out both people? So your ability is just literal suicide?

pedit2: Yes just claim

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2 if oil is 3p. Is my guess.

Also, flea, if you're negative I see no reason for you to time stream yeet yourself at all really.

I think Oil + Flea 3P with 2 scum

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We vote scum into the arena, oil lives and activates the positive ability tonight, if all abilities are enhanced, we'll know about it.
Then frankly Oil becomes arena bait if we can't decide who is scum to send into the arena.

Anyone else amused by Finrals ignorance of this?

In theory if we have a protective and oil activates the power tonight nobody dies.
Also in theory an investigative will get MULTIPLE RESULTS... or at least, something traceable.

Yes because we should believe the team that gave scum a free IC kill

additionally, scum took a punt at killing Mastina, the IC.

Clearly it's more likely that they KNEW Mastina wouldn't be protected, which suggests Oil-scum. If they didn't know Mastina would be protected, frankly, they are dense and got very lucky.

Both people in the arena.
It has individual indications for both players given to me.

so I will hurt both of them if they're both positive and will heal both of them if they're negative.
Or hurt one and heal the other. if one's positive and one isn't.

Gotcha. Your plan works then but I don't think it will give us as much utility now that we know there's 3Ps, since a negative isn't a town result

we "know" there's 3Ps? Little slip there hombre?

Oil's ability got announced, also I don't start a game (esp. 13p) assuming it will be multiball, so know that we know there's 3P stuff involved we need to take that into account with Bell's investigative. If they come up red it doesn't matter anyways though yes

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where did you get Flea as 3p from? and how did you jump from Oil is confscum based on the claim to Oil is 3p?

"I suicide" is a 3P ability in my book. Oil is clearly at minimum scumsiding so they are scum, whether that be scum 3P or true scum. Combine that with Oil's 3P claim and I think Flea/Oil are a 3P team that's scumsiding

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Didn't we already hammer?

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Oil's ability got announced, also I don't start a game (esp. 13p) assuming it will be multiball, so know that we know there's 3P stuff involved we need to take that into account with Bell's investigative. If they come up red it doesn't matter anyways though yes

maybe I'm being dense but...Oil's ability could be a scum ability no? But you assumed 3P despite initially positioning yourself very strongly otherwise. Did I miss something?

Yes, scum gets no benefit from claiming that action here unless it's a crazy gambit

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where did you get Flea as 3p from? and how did you jump from Oil is confscum based on the claim to Oil is 3p?

"I suicide" is a 3P ability in my book. Oil is clearly at minimum scumsiding so they are scum, whether that be scum 3P or true scum. Combine that with Oil's 3P claim and I think Flea/Oil are a 3P team that's scumsiding

They are a 3P team, and Flea's big plan was to...elim them both in 1 go? Notwithstanding the fact they backtracked.

I just think 3p for BOTH is a real long shot here, and may not be true for either, but you're treating it as the most likely scenario. Doesn't seem great to me.

??? No obviously if they are both 3P Flea wouldn't use the ability, which is why I asked if we could force them to. Taking yourself "out of the timestream" is literally a 3P mechanic

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Also pushing for my fullclaim and the 3p shenanigans...


VOTE: Superbowl
Oil, if you live - which I'm sure you do, you activate your positive role tonight, agreed?

If you are actually 3P with Oil you should be fullclaiming. Pretty sure we have a way to force you/Oil to townside

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I am your protective, GG.

I have an option to protect myself, I can't poof for a single phase, it has to be a complete cycle.

Now I'm dead. Tatty bye.

Yep so fakeclaim, realize it doesn't work, then modify it to something ridiculously strong. Why out the protective part of this unless you're afraid your team is getting rolled? We weren't planning on killing you unless oil checked red anyways - town you would go into the arena, let the checks happen, and if Oil does end up red use the ability on yourself. If not, you get a protection anyways. Surely me telling you to fullclaim 1 time after you suggested it wasn't enough pressure to force a claim against your better judgement?

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I guess I was wrong though, because this implies Flea knows about a red check. I guess they're just scum pulling a really stupid gambit

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Is there any protective that would like to counter claim Flea?

Otherwise, I'm taking the claim as true.

Please do not do that

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I claimed at E1, and if not for bells unvote I would've self hammered into the arena.

I hinted and crumbed at it enough.

and for the record I did indeed send in a protection action on mastina hoping something trippy would happen, action failed.

What utility does fullclaiming this provide? Besides saving your own ass, which you should be able to do yourself????

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And I thought I was voting flea, I forgot the counts reset after the nomination

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I don't get it either. The only way Flea would have died in that arena is if I got a guilty indicator result and Oil was a 3p.

I assumed your ability would inno 3P. Point still stands though

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Trying to determine if Flea is at E-1 or not, but pretty sure mod's VC is wrong. Nero is not anywhere on it

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Nah, I get a scum indicator. It's not a guilty, just points to them likely being scum. Based on the information provided by them so far it should work as intended.

Oh okay. Then 3P for both actually is back on the table

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We vote scum into the arena, oil lives and activates the positive ability tonight, if all abilities are enhanced, we'll know about it.
Then frankly Oil becomes arena bait if we can't decide who is scum to send into the arena.

Anyone else amused by Finrals ignorance of this?

In theory if we have a protective and oil activates the power tonight nobody dies.
Also in theory an investigative will get MULTIPLE RESULTS... or at least, something traceable.

Hmmm......

So why not do this N1 unless they are scumsiding??? Why would we expect them to use their town ability tomorrow night??? If that's actually their wincon they use neutral to keep the carrot of a souped up town night around, oops too bad we trusted the player who killed our IC huh guys!?!?!
And why are you defending scum so much? (Pretty sure we know the answer to this one)

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I'm E2 currently.

Vote someone actually scummy into the arena, superbowls been acting well funky, for example... bell DOES NOT use his ability, we eliminate not-oil. oil uses positive power, I protect tonight, nobody dies. Bells power is saved, we might have a chance

WHY WOULD OIL USE A POSITIVE POWER TONIGHT IF THEY HAVE THEIR STATED WINCON

We literally just caught 2 scum

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VOTE: Flea

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PEDIT: Because they have to use all 3 abilities.
Use positive tonight.
No kills
They need to survive.
I am a protective.
Boosted protective means no kills.

ELI5 much?
You're scum, just admit it. You're not even reading the game.

All 3 abilities have to be used.
They are a survivor.
They NOW HAVE TO WORK WITH TOWN.

Tell me exactly why they would use positive power just to get killed tomorrow when they no longer benefit town?? They would obviously use the neutral action and hold their positive over town's head to draw protections. Do I need to ELI5???

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Can you find some logic that actually addresses my point instead of just reiterating your fakeclaim? You literally can't because there's no way out of what I pointed out

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If you are town, great! Let's get you into the arena and check you. We know Oil's not town so if you're actually town then you're confed and apparently have unlimited self protections. So we're gaining an IC and losing a scumsiding 3P if not just scum. But you 1. apparently 100% believe in Oil's claim and 2. still don't want to follow the plan! Like connect the dots people

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You're genuinely frustrating me.

Oil is a Survivor, oil needs to keep me happy to live. because like balls am I targetting them with my protection tonight. If they want to ensure their survival, they will use their positive power.

If Oil does not, one of us dies. Scums best shot, is oil or me.

Without me, Oil cannot survive.

Oils hand is forced. As is mine.

Let's pretend in fucking fantasy land that you're town for one moment.

1. Why do you believe apparently 100% Oil's claim? They just admitted to killing our IC.
2. Why are you afraid of dying whatsoever? You will get copped by bell and show up green, so you are in no danger of being limmed. You will be in no danger of dying during the night since you can self-protect.

Clearly you want to avoid the arena, which should IC you if you're town and show us whether Oil is required to scumside. Thus you are not town.

Your logic in your post is also once again wrong. If Oil uses the town-sided action, why would they then turn into scum's best target as a claimed 3P vanilla over an OP protective????? If Oil doesn't use the town-sided action (which they fucking won't because WHY WOULD THEY IT DOESNT HELP THEIR WINCON), scum still does not kill them because the same logic will keep on applying (much less over a god-doc). OR, scum could just shoot the claimed fucking investigative and avoid this shit altogether. This is literally moonlogic that you keep repeating

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Notice how the result of Flea's plan is "don't cop check me or oil and keep us alive until endgame"??? Like wtf is this

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You can....Protect people in the future and then time stream yourself?
What.

The claim is actually made up as you pointed out with the failed flavor

Either way our best recourse is to just arena and check both, like BM said it’s pretty simple

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They admitted INDIRECT INVOLVEMENT and gave reason for roleblocking everyone, get the worst one out of the way sooner rather than later

Yeah, let’s just get this one out of the way on the night we have an IC. Oopsie! Surprised you’re not pissed at this because you could have protected an IC, but actually I’m not surprised because you’re not town

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Their logic is that they're scumsiding. There's simply no other explanation.

You two are just caught scum trying to avoid getting copped and killed

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If you are actually town we get to kill scumsiding 3P and an IC, which is still like our best case scenario. Not sure in what universe you think you get away with a protection of oil tonight if you actually were town anyways?? There's literally no scenario where putting you in and checking both of you is not in our best interest

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Unless you're both scum in which case it sucks for you Oops

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THEY CLEARLY SCUMSIDED YOU CANT JUST SAY ACTED IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS THEIR INTERESTS WERE SCUM

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Please enlighten me as to why you’d use that power on the night we get an IC besides to SCUMSIDE

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Because it needed to be used, and there was enough hints that others would become IC.

We understand it needed to be used AT SOME POINT. The argument is if you're townsiding you can use neutral or even positive night 1, because as you yourself said the IC is obviously getting protected N1 - unless you REMOVE PROTECTIVES' ABILITIES. Tell me, assume Oil's claim is true and assume Oil had used the neutral action night 1. Do you think Mastina would still be with us?

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^This is like so ridiculously simple I feel like I'm going insane

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Superbowl coming out of the woodwork to hunt for third parties is most definitely +scum. The most passionate argument he's presented is that we're scumsiding and as a result we need to die immediately, but the complete lack of any scumhunting that looks like that outside of his push on third party doesn't look great.

??? I've been on Flea the whole damn game, you scumclained, and they started hard defending you. Your language "that

we're

scumsiding" implies that I'm right on the money though

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For the people who are voting Flea right now, are you actually going to vote to eliminate Flea, or are you voting for Oil Tycoons?

We can't discuss when this gets locked in, right?

We are using Bell's arena cop thing. Based on who bell hurt votes when they're in the arena that's who we will elim

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HURT: Oil

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Hey guys.

I have a heart virus, I'm dying at the end of the day phase.

Holy shit I thought this was IRL and you legitimately made my stomach drop

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Hey everyone! Haven’t had a chance to read yet but wanted a challenge to not hyperpost so much.

So I can get into the game quickly I would love it if everyone could point out 1-3 things they feel I should look at and “the thread” or “all of it” or “the vote counts” are not acceptable answers. I want something you think is alignment indicative. Going to skim VCAs ask questions for a bit but it’s getting late here and may not be on much longer.

The whole thread please

Dunnstral you were on Battle Mage for a while then not since: What changed?
Battle Mage and Firebringer according to the vote history (assuming it’s based in order) you moved your vote off then back on Oil Tycoons why?
Bell and Guillotina you seem to have a vote not present and not voting during my skim. Did you notice? G in the 639 votecount and bell in 2504.
Superbowl9 mastina’s vote was on you. Why?
KookieMonster Why are you still alive? The Johnny head is a top tier scum hunter iirc. Why are you not dead?

Going to bed now but this hopefully will jumpstart my reading in the AM.

I get tunneled early in literally every game until I obvtown by D2. I was V/LA almost the entire time they tunneled me too

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That summary is sufficient imo.

Does anyone have any pills to cure my heart virus, like, say trunks.

...Shit.

It's not part of my role, no. Somebody intentionally poisoned me.

OK so

Setup-wise I don't think there's 3 scum + a survivor + scum can poison townies

That would be wacky

So if this is a scum ability, it's probably a scum team of 2

Could be 3P that killed Flavor no?

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Flea was town. Or he was a mafia traitor, which, yeah, no.

I still think Flea is 3P with Oil.

Have we considered that Flea took themselves and Flavor out of the timestream?

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3 FOR 3 BABY

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So Flavor and I were right with our solve then - Oil/Flea/Guillo

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Agree, but I guess it's a one shot because nobody else claimed they were poisoned earlier.

It’s either this or Bell is lying (0.000002%) chance of that. Pretty much just locking Bell town here because I don’t think poison is ever fake claimed.

maybe, but at the start of day Bell was the obvious elim choice, so I can see them trying something like that to buy an extra day. only really works if they can guarantee a mislim though...which is where the guilty on Guillotina comes in.

I think Guillotina is more likely based on their reaction and I think that has to be the play, but Bell-scum works here too.

Nah this is just town bell, and guillotina is caught scum

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VOTE: guillotina

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"Ganging up on you" after you scumslipped and not like I've been calling for you to die since D1 or anything

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ngl, I can see myself fucking up here @Dunnstral.
I thought I was being fairly through, but, nope. There's still more to learn.

Behaviorally, there are some warning flags here. Which compensates some, but I could still see there just being some confusion and me not looking for the right information.

Anyway, good night. Sorry for agitating you guilotina.

There's potential for Guillotina to be misunderstand what happened to them

I think it's weird that they are told that their action is failing

It’s crap spewed to try to stay alive Dunn. Why are you assuming they are telling the truth?

I'm saying that it's not impossible for them to be town if they're misunderstanding their own role and something weird happened with Finral

They're probably still the elim

I know you've been bad with setup spec but this is another level dude. He literally lied about where he went and is CCed by the towniest person alive. There's no universe this isn't caught scum, especially with how it came out/that reaction

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Okay.

Flea doesn't have a PT, so likely, they don't have a scum partner and are therefore town.

The reason the scum team didn't use the heart virus sooner is because they were blocked n1.

I still doubt this though, the remove from timestream ability just seems so 3P phrased. Could they be like some sort of SK or just not have a PT with Oil?

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And is this virus spreading? You said it's a 1-shot but what if it's like what Flea claimed, where they can poison into the future?

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^@bell

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I don't want to yeet guillotina

Too bad son

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i think superbowl and dunny are scum.

Well I think you're scum with Guillotina

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It really doesn’t matter who we put in next we’re doing guillo, but it would be nice to nail all scum by today VOTE: dunnstrall

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Let's put in bell who is dying anyway just in case there's a scum role that interacts with whoever is in the arena

We will be voting out guillotina though

VOTE: Bell

Until guillotina suddenly starts making great posts in the arena right? And oh all of a sudden "let's go with bell cause he's gonna die anyways" right? Oh but you know it doesnt really matter haha who cares right

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Slacked off and then didn't want to catch up and here we are.
I literally at this point know nothing about the game state.

-kookie

Aha caught scum!

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So is no one going to comment on the superbowl is town because he's probably principled enough not to fake worry about my personal health because of mafia to fool us into thinking he didn't give me the virus?

Personally I think he's locktown for it <3

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The reason there hasn’t been much discussion from me is because G imho is conf scum. The way I mainly sort by asking questions and pressuring people is pretty much not possible because everyone should just vote G and end this day. Scum can’t be afraid of any push I do so it becomes more of a tone and how people responded to your case than anything else. I feel pretty powerless.

There’s no good way to force Kookie to play that I can see and poking Dunn has the force of a feather when I can’t do anything about it. So pretty much I will top wagon anyone into the arena just to get G there and then a new day.

Vote dunn then

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Can we just hammer dunn

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I'm pretty sure me and Flavor's solves were correct, just add in dunn or firebringer

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WRT the third party thing BM - how am I distracting from finding scum with the 3P stuff? We all agreed Flea/Oil were either scum or 3P anyways - do you see me hunting for any other 3P? It doesn't matter to me if Flea is scum or 3P but now that they've been checked we know they're not scum, meaning either my 3P theory is right or they're town which I highly doubt. So I was right about it as well.

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HURT: guillotina

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i think there is.

i think its gypx and flea

Second the motion but add dunnstrall

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Honestly it could be 1 scum though. I think we've been pretty accurate thus far

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i think there is.

i think its gypx and flea

Second the motion but add dunnstrall

It's me and gypyx and flea?

2 of those 3

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Take how both superbowl and Dunn avoided sorting Firebringer when I asked.

That is very very odd. Gives me a huge FoS on Firebringer.

Not sure I will be able to sort firebringer in a game ever. My philosophy is pretty much pray he's town

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btw flea, why'd you use you thread dissapearanced or whatever ability if it didn't protect from kills?

Because WIFOM the baddies. If I get shot, I die. fair enough. If I don't get shot, I use the ability for the minimum duration (2 phases) and come back like 90% conftown.

Again, I'm the doc, my 1-shots been used, I don't intend to use my delayed action protection, I do intend to use per-night protection.

My claim order is:
Firebringer
superbowl9
Dunnstral
Math
Gypyx.

This is also my reads list from bad to good. any objections? Nobody claims until I say go.

Fine with this

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Actually wait no not fine with that gypyx needs to be higher

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I can't actively hunt, but I can passively hunt.

LOL

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I think there's a good chance Flea is just lying about the doc part of the claim, but there's no reason to lim there today either way

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I'm dead tonight either way

There's one way you're not

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VOTE: Firebringer claim or die