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mod is too much of a confirmed scum that there's no need wasting a vote on them, they will not provide any game advancing content"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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is that even a roleIn post 11, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I claim town gravedigger. It's like miller except for watchers and trackers instead of cops."I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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there are things that fuck with results smh
i looked it up and gravedigger is an actual role"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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its not very wifomy but due to the nature of the cards and stuff fakeclaiming will be harder (?)
guess NPOM can be town for now because of that claim"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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because there is only 1 gravedigger here, if gravedigger gets rolled NPOM is outed. so it's riskyIn post 23, EchoVision wrote:why is fakeclaiming harder?"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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*if it's scum!NPOM and another townie gets gravedigger
im gonna get the next one echo"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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+1In post 57, iamausername wrote:naked vote on NPOM in the midst of discussion surrounding his claim is scummy. explain yourself.
naked voting a claimed miller in normal games is not fine"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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posting about mechanics early on is fine IMO, it's not damning because that can clarify to any trackers watchers out thereIn post 74, Rannygazoo wrote:IMO posting about mechanics like this is a scumtell because it’s just fluff. It gives the illusion of contributing without bringing us any closer to finding scum. Don’t do this after I said I believed your claim"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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so now im more clear about your play across various games, I have a good ~vibe~ from them, they claimed town and I think it's real lolIn post 85, Noraa wrote:I don't think I've ever seen u TR me straight off the bat before
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*reads
also noraa is often explicitly *confused* and if they were in a scum PT I think they would have more direction on how to approach this rather than being confused about the factions"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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the key is tone. this is proooobably your first ever theme or somethingIn post 94, Noraa wrote:shelly didn't I play the ~confused~ card hard in doggos tho? :3
see the reactions towards me giving you a gut-TR, it's trying to doubt me / point out logical flaws. scum upon TR'd doesnt do that"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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sigh FOR THE NEWBIES
site meta = miller/ascetic/ negative utility town roles claim d1"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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gravedigger is negative utility, it shows red to trackers and watchers, it's like a trackwatch millerIn post 99, Noraa wrote:well gravedigger is technically like a pr right and like somewhat conftown. Why would they out just like that? idk it doesn't make sense to me bc if they out, scums r just gonna kill him ... right?"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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echo whos scum
listen im gunna drop a solve next page, this game is very close to solved tbh
titus is town as well. engagement with noraa seemed like solving when scum!titus could just wagon on renny"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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imagine thisIn post 103, Noraa wrote:why?
There is a miller and the cop. miller does not hardclaim
d3 cop checks miller returns red
miller claims, but red check from cop = elim either way so miller gets limmed
imagine in another game cop checks scum returns red
the scum claims miller and doesnt get elimd
miller hardclaim = 1. cop checks are 100% ACCURATE 2. cop no need to waste on miller"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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now swap miller for gravedigger and cop for tracker and it's the same"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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this is very wifomy and I can improve at being townIn post 107, Noraa wrote:Shelly the way u started off this game reminds me a shit ton of ur scum games. Ur scum games always start off looking very very protown. However when ur town, u always start off meh or really scummy :/"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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scum can do it but 1) it's subject to counterclaims and 2) this is great idea and there are like 2 gravedigger cardsIn post 110, Rannygazoo wrote:So how does scum claiming miller on d1 factor into the site meta?"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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nahhhh you’re not a discussion mod how are you the worst?
town!me is lacking though - im godawful at obvtowning but I usually have decent reads and charisma"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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i mean in general tbh (as both alignments) im pretty good at persuasion, but my inability to obvtown weakens that as the town alignment"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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the name of the setup is great ideaIn post 124, EchoVision wrote:wym by number 2
theres a town grave card and a wolf gravedigger card"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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sigh can you use occam's for onceIn post 129, Noraa wrote:I plan on focusing on shelly bc her entrance pings me of all her scum games so far where she started off being TRed a shit ton for "protown behavior"
quoting myself, sometimes town are just town
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I didnt ask echo to give a solve I wanted their reads so I could solve their alignmentIn post 129, Noraa wrote:why are we asking for solves day 1? none of them r gonna be right. Just ask for reads. Plus its still half rvs and I doubt anyone has a read that's half decent. Chill ur butt, wait for info to collect itself and magically everyone will have reads
and they may be right, ive gotten all the scum in my PoE d1 twice before
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Town
username - efforts to solve renny and move the game out of RVS is protown
titus - engaging noraa instead of chilling off and further the game is protown
npom - because of claim
noraa - gut town + critical thinking and paranoia in 129
TBD
everyone else
i prefer to find town early on and PoE this through tbh"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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this is ridiculous, so apparently echo and noraa think im scum for... being town? wtf
echo is finding very stretched reasons to TR me, -2 townpoints"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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*stretched reasons to SR me
also I am quite a fan of bussing and townbinning my partner for "gut" is... risky"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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I think half the plist has seen my scumgame considering my difficulties in rolling town
nah NPOM is proooobably town here considering the claim, whats your thoughts on noraa and echo scumreading me for apparently being town?"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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this is true broadly that im townread more as scum and scumread/elim'd more as townIn post 143, Primate wrote:Interesting shout, this one."I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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policy lynch sometimes but it's not a high info elim, eliminations d1 generally should be info elimsIn post 145, Rannygazoo wrote:What do you think voting on inactives will accomplish?
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how is it weird thoughIn post 149, Herta wrote:People going around asking "who's scum?" less than 24 hours into this game is weird. If it was just one person along, I might tr it as some scum hunting style.
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Then what are your thoughts
tbh, I’m more fond of townreading early on and using POE
remember if nobody starts pushing or scumreading the game just dies"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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whyyyy does 154 sound like a bunch of IIoA (information instead of analysis i.e. just summarising the gamestate instead of sorting alignments)
do you even know what townblocks are??? linking to a game does not automatically form one.
I've listed my reads multiple times now. I think 154 comes from newbscum more than town thought (assuming herta isnt an alt or something)"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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like I think it's coming off as IIoA pretty much, and thinking linking to a wiki page = townblock pings
and basically refusing to give reads due to avatars (?) is pretty anti-town"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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kok red is gunna have a early townish pass, scum don't really bus super early d1. red is town, herta slipped and scumclaimed."I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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EBWOP: ok redcardinal is gunna have a early townish pass, scum don't really bus super early d1. red is town, herta slipped and scumclaimed."I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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redcardinal lets hard push herta and be our little townblock
can you ~explain~ this a bit more? is it gut that makes you distrust them? because coherent logic is usually town!AIIn post 164, redcardinal wrote:I agree with noraa's logic but don't entirely trust atm"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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this is exactly what im thinking atmIn post 163, redcardinal wrote:info, no analysis, very reactive posting
why do I find myself agreeing with everything redcardinal posts, red is super town"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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This game (their first ever game)In post 168, redcardinal wrote:shelly how many games have you played with noraa, ballpark
I don't think any other games are finished yet?"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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there are like 4 (?) ongoing games if you wanna talk about it a bit laterIn post 170, Primate wrote:(Unrelated, but if Noraa/shelly meta is based on literally one game we can talk about I care about it a lot less, pshaw)"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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what's up with all the newbs loving preflip associatives
I think efforts to solve each other arent indicative of scumpair if anything. I dont think a town-town interaction is similar to a scumpair interaction at all"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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because I called you newbscumIn post 192, Herta wrote:I mean, how do you get scumclaim out of that, Shelly? Seriously. Because that's what people do is scumclaim.
you said you were newbscum
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ok prepare to be surprisedIn post 206, Noraa wrote:I very strongly believe shelly is not town and that's why I will try my best to avoid solving her as I'm 1000000% sure this gut read will make the read very unfair if she really is town. But I swear to god, I will actually be so so shocked if she is town. Hands down will be like ok I'm out. Adios I suck at gut reads."I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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In post 221, Rannygazoo wrote:It’s almost page 10 and I’m kind of surprised that no one has been dayvigged or something crazy by now.DAYVIG: hertalets gooo"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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can you tell me what this trajectory on me is?In post 222, redcardinal wrote:I forsee a herta lynch today, but if not I will also happily go for shelly and then noraa on a red flip. Obvious distancing.
also I prefer my teammates to explicitly *not* distance with me usually. The way I play scum is to treat my partner as any other player in the plist and call them out if they are truly doing scummy things (if my teammate is null/townlean by much of the plist I am not distancing with them)"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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my personality towards suspicion as town are naturally defensive, even moreso than when im scum. im also fairly omgussy to pushes at me.In post 241, redcardinal wrote:
I think it's very interesting how both of you immediately have started getting very defensive towards what started as nothing but a gut readIn post 226, Noraa wrote:
buhahahahaha u go into such detail as for why. You have some time to explain before I start SRing u for this quick and unexplained shift of opinions that threw shade at me for no apparent reason with nothing to back it up.In post 223, redcardinal wrote:having read through the rest of the thread after my post 220 I scumread noraa
I think this is a prob!town post though. the paranoia is pretty town!AI especially this early on"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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Town
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dont really like "free pass because i post a lot" either way"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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*teaching moment*In post 246, Noraa wrote:I already clarified this exact point with echo. Don't use it again. My problem is the way you did things. you TR me but then say ur fine if I get limmed today. Shortly after you announce that its a SR now for no specific reason. You don't back up anything and instead shade me saying that I'm expecting people to TR me for talking a lot :/
There's a way of identifying town I use a lot, I dont have a name for it but it's basically trying to re-evaluate / sort between town and scum. It's different to flip-flopping because there's a trajectory involved instead of just a statement. I can see red is actually rethinking noraa's alignment after your defensiveness instead of playing in an agenda-y way"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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@noraa if you're town, not everyone that susses you must be scum aligned. a wrong push is different from a bad push
I think noraa's sudden hostility towards red is more personality than AI because they've done this as both alignments before
noraa tell me why you think red is autoscum after casting *some* suspicion on you. people dont stick with their reads and TR -> SR = re-evaluation"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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likeIn post 252, Noraa wrote:Lel I disappeared off the TR list for no apparent reason except something that I already explained twice was a misrepresentation of my words. Shellys def not town this round.
I dont think you're scum I feel like giving you a townpass for that response is unwarranted
@noraa do you think everyone that re-evaluates or changes their reads are scum
lockscumming d1 is >rand to be scum tbh, only one alignment has enough info early d1 to be confident 100% in reads"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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