Mini Theme 2162: Wherewolf [Game over | Village win]

[Pine]

Hello friends

Not Sinner or Seducer.

VOTE: pine
fuck the police

The fuck?

[Pine]

The Inn keeper and (Bard if they exsist ) prob should claim either.

Uhhh, they definitely should not.

[Pine]

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

I believe brighteningskies, and am inclined to think TFL99 would not be so bold or reckless as scum. A50 lean Town.

Disliking Taylor Swift and Galron, but gut says they’re not S/S. Suspicious of Italiano as well.

[Pine]

Apologies all, I will read through this first thing in the morning.

[Pine]

Oooookay. Thank you to CM1 for his forbearance. I'm going to do a full catchup post overnight, but the first day of school with live students kicked my ass today. I'm caught up, but do not have the energy to type paragraphs when my bed is calling me.

In brief, then -

Italiano is clearly a Jester. Night kill it with fire. Scum, you can't afford for us to get nervous and eliminate him the normal way.

I still do not trust Taylor Swift. Saying fairly straightforward things without better analysis is a classic scum tactic. Unfortunately, it's also a Town tactic.

A50 continues to be Town in my book, and Glitch jumped right in there too. TFL99 still townpings me, though I'm not a fan of everything he has to say.

I am suspicious of Elements, "don't check me" was sus af. I am willing to give him a pass for today though because there might be more there.

Galron continues to ping me. First it was the abiding interest in the mechanics sans substance, then it was the volunteering to be checked. I think A50 (iirc the first to point it out) is dead on, this is exactly how a Defector would operate. He's got my vote.

Who's left? Skies, WLC, insomnia. Eh. There's stuff there, but it hovers in the margin of error.

[Pine]

Galron, Elements if I had to choose a second.

[Pine]

Galron it is then (that's whom I'm voting and I won't reconsider)

Yup, Galron.

I do like your Glitch analysis though.

Hi DK! It’s a shame you’re probably scum here.

[Pine]

I am also positive the Wolf pack voted the Jester (and will vote him here too). They get TWO KILLs if he is eliminated, so why not?

You're confusing it with Wolf Pup.

[Pine]

It's not the same. Jester doesn't remove day phase discussion or Town PRs. But sure, think about it only from scum's perspective.

[Pine]

Not a gambit. Trying to get people to think about this. If it's Town vs. Jester, which is the better elimination? I don't think anyone is thinking this through except for maybe A50, and he's looking at worst case.

If I were Town gladiated against a Jester, I'd campaign for my own vote. You're the one who doesn't get it, Wolf friend.

[Pine]

Kind of wondering what we're all still doing here. It doesn't

matter

any more what Galron is, voting him is better than the Jester. Let's go, people. End the day so we can get a flip.

[Pine]

@ Pine
There is no role reveal.......

Fair enough, though there are role who can either be identified through effects or investigated by other roles.

[Pine]

It's probably one of the people on the ballot holding this up.

@Mod: Is that how the rules were designed? Because you'd like...never have the day end except with deadline that way

[Pine]

Dont know..... Pine seems too eager to end the day.

I think I might change my vote and roll my chances with Italian. The logic behind this if he is the jester we get rid of him early and take our chances with losing a day elimantion
I need more time to think this through however.

Too eager? Our choices are between a Jester and a probably Wolf.

I'm

baffled

by what there is to talk about.

[Pine]

Thanks for asking the question I probably meant rather than what I actually asked

I’m even more convinced now that scum is on the ballot, and one of their buddies is holding it up.

[Pine]

Delaying gives them a chance to change people’s minds, what planet are you from?

[Pine]

Apologies, that was rudely said, but convincing people is the

point

here. When we went to ballot the majority was convinced Italiano was Jester, so the only reason for delay would be to convince people to either not target Galron or to begin targeting Italiano (semantic difference, yes, but different motivations.) If Galron were Town, the scumteam wouldn’t be holding up the ballot.

[Pine]

I balloted Galron. ISO me.

[Pine]

Galron has been scummy from the start. If you don’t agree, feel free to vote for the Jester.

[Pine]

*headdesk*

This dayphase is interminable.

I have nothing new to add, just waiting on an end to the dayphase.

[Pine]

Finally another sane person.

[Pine]

So if we’ve got two Corrupt players found, that’s probably enough for the Clairvoyant to claim and give results.

[Pine]

I second A50’s call.

Also, I think Pine was saying that it is possible we may have found both wolves with the peeks and so clairvoyant should out their names, A50.

I second A50’s call.

Also, I think Pine was saying that it is possible we may have found both wolves with the peeks and so clairvoyant should out their names, A50.

Precisely. The point about the Sinner was fair, though.

[Pine]

I’m ethically opposed to collectively dictating what PRs should so.

On with the elimination.

[Pine]

Well I

am

mystically good at this, I suppose.

[Pine]

A) Public discussion of PR targets gives clues to the scumteam as to the identity of those PRs.
B) Discussion of future PR actions is a Bad Thing in general because it gives scum a chance to plan around them (i.e. "They're targeting you, better roleblock")
C) Scum are

part of

public discussion about targeting, and can therefore exert influence to their benefit.
D) There are much better ways of crumbing or subtly indicating who you targeted so that the information isn't lost if you die.

I could in fact go on, but I am on record in a number of places with these views and feel no need to further justify myself.

[Pine]

Pine..not sure why you even brought it up as it .......as it has been decided by town. Moving on

Glitch....
Your points are pretty mute at this point

Moot. Mute is a different thing.

[Pine]

I suggested the Clairvoyant should claim now, actually.

[Pine]

I welcome these questions about my intentions.

I am not hunting the Clairvoyant, I am questioning why, with two Corrupt results, they are not naming and shaming. It is possible it was ManWithNoName, though, but I don't see a clear crumb so shrug.

Sorry, did you think I was crumbing? I am a mystic. I will not be elaborating.

Vote on Glitch sent.

[Pine]

Your logic is flawed in at least one respect.

[Pine]

Fine with me in practice, but your reading of me is pretty out of whack.

[Pine]

@Pine: I view you as a very good player, especially when it comes down to a pure mechanical approach. My suspicion of you stems mainly from this fact.

And my annoyance with your suspicion stems from you only thinking of how you would approach a Mystic role.

[Pine]

Yeah I’m not engaging with you any more. My reasoning is sound and tbqh I don’t give a shit if you approve.

[Pine]

If Galron was a wolf, he was Defector. A Medium or Clairvoyant check wouldn't mean anything.

It's why I want the Clairvoyant to out with it, because if it's not Skies + Glitch, then we've probably got our solution.

[Pine]

[Pine]

I'm prepared to claim now.

I am the Medium - Galron and Man With No Name both returned results as Non-Corrupt. I think it highly likely that MWNN was the Clairvoyant, as a lack of result N2 suggests the Clairvoyant was dead - and it wasn't Glitch.

I believe we are dealing with one more wolf. Galron was suspected of being a Defector, so his NC flip doesn't mean much, but Glitch was definitely a wolf (which is why I didn't bother scanning him).

[Pine]

N1 the only dead person was Galron. N2 it was Glitch or MWNN.

Did you just spout off without doing the math or did you think it through and still came up with that?

[Pine]

Oh absolutely - Fuzzy’s last post makes zero sense. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he was suddenly satisfied that I was cleared by check when there’s evidence the Clairvoyant is dead. Nah. That’s a completely fabricated logic path.

[Pine]

Nah.

Balloting Fuzzy.

[Pine]

@A50 you have my attention. I've switched to a Swift vote.

[Pine]

^lawl

Halfway decent post by WLC

[Pine]

Sent in my vote. Sorry, kind of depressed today.

[Pine]

What's the holdup?

[Pine]

Insomnia was non-corrupt, obviously.

Who did A59 land on to investigate?

[Pine]

Ah, right

VOTE: WLC

GG

[Pine]

Uhh just got back from urgent care for the second day in a row sooooo not great?

Went yesterday for a COVID test. I have a runny nose and sore throat and two students in the high school I work at tested positive. Mine was negative, but the NP there gave me a bullshit diagnosis of bronchitis because she heard a slight wheeze in my lungs. Lady, I’m a fat man with post-nasal drip. Of course I have a wheeze. It’s not bronchitis. I’ll take the prednisone, thanks for the negative test aka peace of mind.

Then tonight my wife mistakes her thumb for a potato while using a mandolin and nearly slices a chunk of thumb off. So that happened.

[Pine]

For some things. I appreciate the support.

[Pine]

*cough*

[Pine]

Presumably. If we had more leeway with the numbers I’d entertain giving you a win first, but we don’t. You’ve been a good sport.

[Pine]

Insomnia was non-corrupt, obviously.

I’d commend you for the hustle at the end, but it’s on this page, my dude.

[Pine]

Just to put in here what I've put in PMs

Given that the thread has gone dry, I've PM'd all players who have yet to vote/have yet to say that they're ready to go to the next phase, please either say something in thread or please vote to go to next stage

I very much like the innovation in format provided by the secret ballot/secret vote system, perhaps in the final analysis the "move forward" option just allows scum to lord EOD over Town. Perhaps having some kind of system for publicly identifying who's dragging their feet would help, or perhaps setting a threshold of 75% approving EOD would be appropriate.