Mini 658 - Facedown and Thirsty Mafia (Game Over)

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I randomly vote for a scum-aligned player.

Vote: nhat

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Vote: Kairyuu

for being the first to vote.

;_;

nobody notices me

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{b]Vote: Iron Man[/b]

Try to put a spin on that one, you son of a batch of cookies.

Holy WIFOM, Batman!

unvote, vote: Iron Man

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CDB's First Rule of Mafia

Unless in emergency, there should be no point during Day 1 at which you should not be voting.

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@CDB: Of course, because this early in the game when you have already random voted and removed said random vote, its a good idea, and not scummy at all to vote again just so you can have a vote on.

As a general rule, I do not like to place a second random vote anfter I have removed my first one. This is probably just a difference in playstyles so I don't find you suspicious for insisting on revoting. I won't listen, at least not yet, but that's besides the point.

I guess my question would be: Why do you see it as a bad thing to not have a vote on someone during Day 1?

It's Day 1. We have no information. Everyone always goes on about "oh, it's the end of the random stage, now we wait for scum to slip up. I'll wait to vote until I see a slip", but the fact of the matter is that without votes, scum don't slip (99.9% true, occasionally one scum decides to screw himself over). Votes are pressure, and pressure makes scum crack. The transition from the random vote stage to the "serious game stage" needs votes to occur. You get my point?

I'm not saying to place a second random vote, but why get rid of the first? Why did you random vote in the first place if you were just going to get rid of it after a certain amount of time?

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I think that's an overreaction, SC. It was, after all, page 2, and I did kinda set myself up for it. That really does strike me as too much.

FoS: StrangerCoug

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This is really hotting up. Brilliant.

Kairyuu's vote on Mokina did seem faintly opportunistic, given that there were better targets (Iron Man's first post, SC's overreaction), but that doesn't mean that the immediate pileup on him

wasn't

. DoS's vote is justified enough, but drake definitely comes across as opportunistic scum here. Quotes big to look verbose, says "this is the scummiest thing I've seen so far" without saying why...yep, we may have one here.

Unvote, vote: Drake

SC's third vote is silly. He gets all hot and bothered about...Lynch-3. Come on, people! Lynch-3 is NOT a problem. The only reason I can think that you might be scared of it would be scum quicklynching, but that would require THREE scum players to jump on it in the most obviously scummy move the world has ever seen. Lynch-3 is nothing, but the relative ease SC has in putting Kairyuu on Lynch-4 is kinda jarring when you look at his reaction to Lynch-3.

I'm not actually particularly suspicious of Kairyuu at the moment. I don't think his logic is particularly indicative of scum - he's only been on the site for 21 days, and it took me months to learn the importance of early D1 voting. I think there are better people to be looking at.

Like Drake! I like my vote, but I'm also looking at Iron Man for opening with a WIFOM gambit and SC for multiple overreactions.

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SC's third vote is silly. He gets all hot and bothered about...Lynch-3. Come on, people! Lynch-3 is NOT a problem. The only reason I can think that you might be scared of it would be scum quicklynching, but that would require THREE scum players to jump on it in the most obviously scummy move the world has ever seen. Lynch-3 is nothing, but the relative ease SC has in putting Kairyuu on Lynch-4 is kinda jarring when you look at his reaction to Lynch-3.

I don't like people putting someone at L-3 without a good reason, though it's true that there are more dangerous positions than that. As for putting someone at L-4, I feel my vote is justified and I only find L-4 a problem in the random voting stage.

Why

don't you like putting someone at L-3 without a good reason? What's bad about it?

Similarly, why do you find L-4 a problem in the random voting stage?

Like Drake! I like my vote, but I'm also looking at Iron Man for opening with a WIFOM gambit and SC for multiple overreactions.

I've been known to overreact to... just about everything that people are known to overreact to xD It's me, though. Should I be frowned upon for that? Probably. Is it anti-town? I can't think of a good way to argue otherwise. Is everyone who overreacts scum? No.

Note that I'm only defending my overreactions in isolation from everything else and saying that it in and of itself is not scummy. In combination with other questionable behaviors, I'll probably say it is.

You'll understand that I'm not going to ignore this because of you saying "yeah, I guess it's anti-town, but don't worry, I'm still town".

I sort of agree with the latter paragraph, though, as I certainly wouldn't want you lynched purely over your overreactions (that would be an overreaction...), but I'm not going to let it go just yet.

At any rate, I'm more suspicious of Iron Man than you, and then drake above him.

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It's all based down to this, look how he says it, the problem is it looks like he doesn't care if he gets caught, which brings me down to him being townie as i mafia would risk saying this, unless he wanted us to believe this and not vote for him.

Careful there; that's dangerously close to being WIFOM.

That's the definition of WIFOM.

Vote stands.

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This, basically:

{b]Vote: Iron Man[/b]

Try to put a spin on that one, you son of a batch of cookies.

This is your first post of the game, in which you actually invite a WIFOM argument. It doesn't help that you're doing it via self-voting, which denies the entire point of random voting (early pressure). You're of course going to reply by saying "dude, I was joking" (or derivation thereof) but first posts can be very telling. Weird first votes, I've learned from experience, tend to come more often from scum who happily say "well, why would I draw attention to myself like that if I was scum" when questioned about it.

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Why

don't you like putting someone at L-3 without a good reason? What's bad about it?

It's mindless bandwagoning, which isn't good.

Fair enough, I don't see any need to pursue this line of questioning.

Similarly, why do you find L-4 a problem in the random voting stage?

In my opinion, a quarter of the town voting the same person stretches the term "random".[/quote]

What's so bad about that?

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I think you miss my point, SC.

Why is it so important to preserve the randomness of the early game?

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Open 72 had a player called "scumbag", and he got my random vote. Strangely enough, he ended up being town.

This argument between StrangerCoug and CDB is ludicrous. I believe both have chosen the same side; that randomness can't last forever on the first day and that many votes will be influenced by semi-random nudges such as the name mentioned above. Both of you have this sort of tunnel-vision that the other is wrong. Seriously, wake up.

Can we back up a little bit and start scumhunting again?

I don't mean to give the impression that I'm trying to bash SC into submission. I'm merely curious about something I said, though I'm satisfied with his responses now.

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I, too, would like to hear drake clarify his statement. I feel happy with my vote at the moment.

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I'm not asking everybody to shut up until Monday. If there's something somebody wants to pick up on or point out, go for it, but I've commented on everything I felt important so far. It's not exactly long until Monday either - by my (European) watch, 45 minutes.

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I'm going to RL-prod the mod. I also need to take a closer look at the recent Drake developments...

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Whoa, didn't realise Day had dawned.

OK, so I'm going back to Iron Man. He helpfully disappeared for a few days while drake was picking up his last votes, and then there was the WIFOM gambit he opened the game with that

still

makes me uncomfortable.

Vote: Iron Man

I'm not too worried about Natirasha. This is normal play for him, and I don't think the drake hammer was particularly scummy considering that we were going to lynch him anyway. Come on. We really were.

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I am opposed to a Natirasha roleclaim. Even if I thought he was scummier than he is, I don't think claims are going to be particularly reliable, based on my own role PM, the unorthodox role names we've seen so far, and the fact that our mod is an eccentric.

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Just playing devil's advocate here, but your implication that one must be at L-1 in order to claim is silly.

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Natirasha, is your flavour that you are a unicorn? If not, what is your flavour?

It's possible the psychiatrist role may be ambiguous as to its purpose, so a flavour match might help.

However, I'm pretty sure there's no way my role could be a psychiatrist.

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I need to read up a bit, but I'm still here. Bear with me.