Mini 658 - Facedown and Thirsty Mafia (Game Over)

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: ChannelDelibird

for the grudge match we had in Newbie 614.

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: Kairyuu

for being the first to vote.

;_;

nobody notices me

Very well then,

FoS: malthusis

for being unable to count.

[StrangerCoug]

You screwed up your bold tag, but

Unvote: ChannelDelibird

and

Vote: Iron Man

anyway as voting yourself takes away from discussion, which is not very pro-town at all.

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote: Iron Man

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: Mokina

for a very weak reason for voting ChannelDelibird. If we're not out of the random voting stage yet, then it's almost over.

[StrangerCoug]

Alright. I can't argue with the fact that votes are pressure. You want pressure? Very well, increasing the biggest bandwagon counts as pressure in my book, so here's a pressure vote (since you asked so nicely).

Vote: Mokina

.

Your idea of pressuring her is putting her at L-3!?

Unvote: Mokina

and

vote: Kairyuu

for blatant opportunism.

[StrangerCoug]

To what you said in your last post responding to CDB. It seems like you are latching on to his reasoning in hopes that no one will notice you said something else earlier.

Considering I find this slightly scummy I will unvote Vote Kairyuu.

This is what I consider serious reaching. And

this

is opportunism at its most basic form. But, of course, I can't vote you now can I, because that would be OMGUS. But I'm not overly bothered by that, because I have found what I wanted back when I unvoted Nightwolf, an actual reason to vote for someone. I am all for pressure votes to force a slipup or a claim but I much prefer votes with backing. Therefore,

unvote

and

Vote: DragonsofSummer

.

OMGUS does not exist when Player A is voting Player B and B has a legitimate reason for voting A back, and you probably don't want to accuse yourself of OMGUS out loud.

[StrangerCoug]

SC's third vote is silly. He gets all hot and bothered about...Lynch-3. Come on, people! Lynch-3 is NOT a problem. The only reason I can think that you might be scared of it would be scum quicklynching, but that would require THREE scum players to jump on it in the most obviously scummy move the world has ever seen. Lynch-3 is nothing, but the relative ease SC has in putting Kairyuu on Lynch-4 is kinda jarring when you look at his reaction to Lynch-3.

I don't like people putting someone at L-3 without a good reason, though it's true that there are more dangerous positions than that. As for putting someone at L-4, I feel my vote is justified and I only find L-4 a problem in the random voting stage.

Like Drake! I like my vote, but I'm also looking at Iron Man for opening with a WIFOM gambit and SC for multiple overreactions.

I've been known to overreact to... just about everything that people are known to overreact to xD It's me, though. Should I be frowned upon for that? Probably. Is it anti-town? I can't think of a good way to argue otherwise. Is everyone who overreacts scum? No.

Note that I'm only defending my overreactions in isolation from everything else and saying that it in and of itself is not scummy. In combination with other questionable behaviors, I'll probably say it is.

[StrangerCoug]

Why

don't you like putting someone at L-3 without a good reason? What's bad about it?

It's mindless bandwagoning, which isn't good.

Similarly, why do you find L-4 a problem in the random voting stage?

In my opinion, a quarter of the town voting the same person stretches the term "random".

[StrangerCoug]

Similarly, why do you find L-4 a problem in the random voting stage?

In my opinion, a quarter of the town voting the same person stretches the term "random".

What's so bad about that?

[/quote]

It's me personally, but imagine throwing twelve 12-sided dice. The odds of getting three or more of the same number isn't very high as far as I know (but then again, I may have to refresh my memory about probability—I previewed my post with a dice string set to throw twelve 12-sided dice and got three ones and three twos).

This is only a situational example, and I know that using the dice string for an actual random vote is controversial. It's outside the context of this case anyway.

[StrangerCoug]

I know in this case it doesn't apply, but imagine someone's username here was

I'm Scum

. I think that'd attract plenty of random votes...

Open 72 had a player called "scumbag", and he got my random vote. Strangely enough, he ended up being town.

[StrangerCoug]

I think you miss my point, SC.

Why is it so important to preserve the randomness of the early game?

I think you misinterpreted my answer, CDB.

I'm not saying the randomness must be preserved in the early game. Once some real (i.e. not random) votes start coming in, which is the early game anyway, you can vote for whomever on which you have a legitimate case regardless of the number of votes on that person. Forget randomness at that point.

[StrangerCoug]

Monday, when I start college and I have to stop sleeping in if I want to catch the bus in time. Great.

I'm curious as why he unvoted when he left, but it's not exactly an objection to it.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't like the bandwagons, and I don't really like CDB's playstyle, but that's not related to scumminess.

Why not?

[StrangerCoug]

I do agree drake_259 is scummy. My other two suspects are Iron Man for self-voting and Kairyuu for mindless bandwagoning.

[StrangerCoug]

@StrangerCoug: -facepalm- How many times do I have to say that the vote was not

mindless

or

bandwagoning

, but rather made according to who I thought it would put the most pressure on.

I still don't think it's a good idea to pressure someone to an L-3, but there are others here that beg to differ.

[StrangerCoug]

yeah maybe but in fact it also helped him out as i would of still been WIFOM him

This is completely incomprehensible to me. Clarify with correct grammar (e.g. "would have" or "would've" instead of "would of") please.

[StrangerCoug]

yeah maybe but in fact it also helped him out as i would of still been WIFOM him

This is completely incomprehensible to me. Clarify with correct grammar (e.g. "would have" or "would've" instead of "would of") please.

these 3 are all the same meaning too me

"Would of" is grammatically incorrect, in case you didn't catch that part the first time. I am not here to engage in a semantics argument, though.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, Kairyuu's posting decent cases, and he's more than made up for what I still think is a silly vote.

Unvote: Kairyuu

.

[StrangerCoug]

Okay, I'm still not convinced drake is scum, but quite honestly, I'm getting annoyed by having to read his sentences enough to lynch him.

...What!? It frustrates you enough to the point that he deserves to die? I hope I misinterpreted this, because that's what I'm getting from you.

FoS: RandomGem.

It's an anti-town move by him, but I don't think it's scummy enough to warrant a vote, which is why I'm still hanging on to it.

[StrangerCoug]

Thanks for clarifying.

Un-FoS: RandomGem

.

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: Natirasha

for bandwagoning drake_259 to the hammer. I don't remember the latter claiming, and we lost a power role that way.

[StrangerCoug]

Wait. What?! What the hell was that Natirasha? Are you saying that you don't care that you hammered drake?

Am I supposed to care? I hammered. Congratz.

*shoots himself in the head out of frustration*

[StrangerCoug]

Bump.

[StrangerCoug]

Iron Man's selfvote on the first page might have been strange, but it's similar to Natirasha's hammer. While both may not have been good town choices, neither of them are particularly scummy either. Null tell on that one, in my humble opinion.

Natirasha hammering was terminating discussion when we weren't ready. How is that a null tell?

[StrangerCoug]

I'm convinced enough to

Unvote: Natirasha

, but I fee; his actions still warrant an

HoS: Natirasha

.

[StrangerCoug]

Slow game is slow...

Mod: Please prod all inactive players.

[StrangerCoug]

Question to Natirasha- You say you like to see death. Why do you feel your quick hammer was pro-town?

Who said I do? I just wanted to kill something. And I'm an attention whore.

LAME REASONING.

Vote: Natirasha

again.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't use meta to determine alignments because it is ineffective, assuming I use it at all. It's good to get the kind of person someone is that way, but meta is manipulatable. I'm one that plays as he goes anyway.

As for your question, a little bit of both. I know this is stating the obvious, but acting in an anti-town manner helps scum. Helping scum is scummy.

[StrangerCoug]

As for your question, a little bit of both. I know this is stating the obvious, but acting in an anti-town manner helps scum. Helping scum is scummy.

To clarify/rephrase the question... do his actions lead you to believe that his

alignment

is antitown?

Yes.

I just want to be cautious here, because Natirasha has a history of being lynched as a townie for doing something along the lines of a quick-hammer. Helping scum out is normal play for him. If you're voting him to prevent him from doing so, fair enough. That's a whole different story.

Noted, but until I have a better idea of who is scum, that's where my vote is.

[StrangerCoug]

As far as Natirasha is concerned...I did have a look at some of his past games, and looked at his wiki, he makes it a point to look antitown, which blows. He's aiming to be an attention whore, and I'd rather put my attention elsewhere.

Part of why I re-voted him is because he

SAID

he was an attention whore.

[StrangerCoug]

Yes, but I'm not your mafia.

The plot thickens. Roleclaim, please.

Unvote: Natirasha
Vote: Mokina

for rolefishing. I'm not exactly sure how many votes Natirasha is at, but I'm almost positive he's not at L-1.

[StrangerCoug]

Okay, interesting. I propose the following:

The psychiatrist should roleclaim now. If such a character exists, they will be able to target Natirasha tonight and convert him to a normal townie, after which point he will be confirmed as innocent. If nobody claims, we assume there isn't a psychiatrist in the setup and lynch Natirasha today. Since he's a permanent SK in that situation, the town still comes out ahead.

Thoughts?

Makes sense, actually.

I am not the psychiatrist.

[StrangerCoug]

I'll foolow suit and

unvote Mokina

.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: I'm a fool xD I meant "follow".

[StrangerCoug]

Assuming that the scum

didn't

kill would mean that either they are setting up a doc claim with a no kill, or they are inactive. I've seen a scum claim doc in two different games, so I would assume that this is not a rare occurance. However, we do have enough lurkers/flakers that the scum may have just not signed on to submit the NK at all.

Have you checked everyone else's activity during the night to see if this is supported?

Assuming that the scum

did

submit a kill, but were stopped somehow, we have a few possibilities. One is that there could actually

be

a doctor who successfully predicted the NK target during N1. That poses problems, because a doc claim could go either way. Another possibility could be that there is a town-aligned roleblocker who blocked scum N1. The third possibility I can see is that there is self-protector who chose to protect themself when they were targetted.

The third possibility doesn't come off to me as likely, but given this is a theme game...

Also, activity really needs to pick up in this game. We're going nowhere.

Ditto xP

[StrangerCoug]

When the heck is deadline!? If this game doesn't speed up, I'm bailing out of here.

[StrangerCoug]

That's a rather selfish move now isn't it Strangercoug? We already have a lurking/flaking problem as it is without one of the few active players left ditching us too.

I understand your concern, but I'm getting bored with this. I don't remember the last time even the mod posted.

[StrangerCoug]

@StrangerCoug: I prodded the mod yesterday, and he told me he is actively looking for replacements. Just try to stick with the game, we need as many active players as we can get if we're going to find the scum.

Noted.

[StrangerCoug]

If I'm not already doing so, then I will

unvote

whomever I'm on and

vote Natirasha

. He claimed serial killer, the psychiatrist is not showing up, and it's the best option we have right now.

[StrangerCoug]

Will reread when I can bother myself with it.

[StrangerCoug]

@Mokina: One problem with your opening logic. If you assume that the town is entirely power roles, then the game is still overbalanced towards scum, due to one of Stoofer's Laws (not sure which one), which states that as the number of town power roles increases, the chance of scum winning also increases.

This looks like Stoofer's 3rd Law.

[StrangerCoug]

I support a no lynch for this day. If there are 3 scum, then tomorrow we'll be at LyLo, but will have a higher probability to lynch scum. If there are 2 scum, we would still have 1 mislynch, which we would have whether or not we did no lynch or not. Also, in both cases (or if there is no night kill), town gains information from night actions.

Vote: No Lynch

I'll follow suit based on this reasoning,

unvote

if I need to, and

vote No Lynch

. I really don't have anything solid on anybody.

On another note, why was nhat replaced? He was pretty active...

He requested a replacement in most if not all of his games. He replaced out of one of my Monopoly games too.

[StrangerCoug]

I really don't have a good case on anybody right now, and with the slow game there isn't much at the moment. We've gotten rid of the serial killer, but we're not getting new right now.

At least agreeing on a no-lynch is better than just sitting there.

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug puts me in mind of a robot attempting to emulate human behaviour.

Remind me to quote that when the game ends xD

He knows certain things that are done in a game of mafia, as a general rule, but clearly has no comprehension of

why

these things are done.

Don't ask me anything about strategy about any game (Mafia or not) and expect me to have a very good answer. It's incorrect to say that I'm 100% oblivious to it, but it probably helps explain why I dare not call myself experienced. It's also incorrect to say that I've never used strategy in Mafia, however, even if it didn't work out how I planned it to.

Let me tell you a story...

Mod: The following game I describe is complete.

I was scum versus three cops in Mini 624. Day 1, two of those cops counterclaimed each other. We got one of them lynched, and I left the other cop alive the following night to make him look suspicious. That cop happened to get a guilty result on our godfather, and the latter got lynched the following day. I had the former offed because I didn't want to run the risk of him not being paranoid (which he actually was).

The third cop claimed after I faked tracker Day 4. I tried explaining that three cops in a mini was simply not believable to me, but when that failed I stopped pushing him. I left him alive again, but this time I gambled—he had three innocents and had not yet investigated me. I killed the person I cleared instead of that cop. He investigated me that night and got an innocent on me, thereby confirming to me that he was naïve, and I still got lynched Day 5 for the lose.

So, the moral of the story: Yes, strategy is one of my weak points, but I'm not a complete stranger to it.

Just...

Yes, but I'm not your mafia.

The plot thickens. Roleclaim, please.

Unvote: Natirasha
Vote: Mokina

for rolefishing. I'm not exactly sure how many votes Natirasha is at, but I'm almost positive he's not at L-1.

This post, man. It's incredible.

I'm impulsive. That's a given.

I find it pretty impossible to get a read on him, because his plastyle is so ridiculous.

I am trying to improve, though. If anything, I'm living longer through a game now—it used to be a pretty frequent for me to get lynched on Day 1. Now I just have to figure out how not to get lynched half the time.

I'm finding his D1 play to be almost as much active lurking as RandomGem, which is suspect. If he wasn't SC, I'd think his FoSing RandomGem here when RG had NO VOTES was a huge scumpair indicator, but SC seems to think FoSes actually count as 0.63 of a vote, or something. I don't know.

I will use an FoS in lieu of a vote when I suspect somebody, but not enough to warrant the latter.

[StrangerCoug]

I will use an FoS in lieu of a vote when I suspect somebody, but not enough to warrant the latter.

Yeah, but... the guy had no votes. You presumably didn't suspect anyone else more, since you weren't voting at the time. How could it possibly not warrant a vote? Where is the risk in putting a vote on? You were perfectly happy to hop on a whole bunch of wagons earlier in the day for fairly weak reasons, but putting RandomGem at L-6 was just too risky?

By "suspecting somebody, but not enough to warrant a vote", I rarely take the number of votes on the player into account (the excepton comes around at L-2 or so). I didn't like what RandomGem did, but I didn't feel his actions worthy of my vote. It's more of a judgment call thing than anything else.

Sometimes I move my vote around a lot; sometimes I'm hesitant even voting in the first place. I haven't paid much attention to what applies when, but the less certain I am of a particular person being scum, the more I move my vote around. I was unsure of anybody being scum when I FoS'd RandomGem instead of voting him.

[StrangerCoug]

I thought I made it clear that I don't have a suspect, Kairyuu.

As for your case on me, thank you for bringing Mokina into my consciousness. I do have reason to believe she is pro-town, but I am unable to explain my copying her other than that reasoning. In fact, I wasn't even aware I was.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not denying it because I don't really think I can do anything along those lines, but I can still avoid confirming it.

[StrangerCoug]

Okay, I'm still not convinced drake is scum, but quite honestly, I'm getting annoyed by having to read his sentences enough to lynch him.

...What!? It frustrates you enough to the point that he deserves to die? I hope I misinterpreted this, because that's what I'm getting from you.

FoS: RandomGem.

It's an anti-town move by him, but I don't think it's scummy enough to warrant a vote, which is why I'm still hanging on to it.

This post feels fabricated. I can agree with the point it's trying to make, although I'm not convinced RG was serious, but I really don't like how the second part addresses the town overall rather than RG.

So I used the word "him" instead of "you". Is that what sets off alarm bells here?

Sorry, I meant that I was

almost

annoyed enough to lynch him. Meaning I would really appreciate being able to read his sentences without having to go back and decipher what they mean.

>.< EBWOP: Also, I feel that that is the basis for many of the votes on him - just his bad grammar and stuff.

Thanks for clarifying.

Un-FoS: RandomGem

.

These two posts, however, imply to me an SC-RG connection. RG's post is fishy in itself, because it's quite clear the drake wagon is in no relation to his grammar; SC's post is scummy because he fails to point this out, and un-FoSes rather quickly.

I thought it was clear the un-FoS takes that into account, therefore I didn't mention it.

[StrangerCoug]

So I used the word "him" instead of "you". Is that what sets off alarm bells here?

Yeah, pretty much.

Kind of trivial then, isn't it?

I thought it was clear the un-FoS takes that into account, therefore I didn't mention it.

Did you find RG's EBWOP-post scummy?

No.

[StrangerCoug]

Where's the mod let alone CDB?

[StrangerCoug]

The mod hasn't posted on the site since September 30 o_O

[StrangerCoug]

I've PM'd MeMe about the mod's absence and am waiting for a response. I really, really do want to keep playing, but if the lurking problem continues then I'd rather get outta here.

It'd be nice if we had a backup mod...

[StrangerCoug]

Strange cougar: Kitty~! <3 Pet the kitty.

Ow, it bit me. Mommie~~~!

xD

Anyway, the way SG

It's SC, not SG, thank you.

acted during Day one didn't speak out to me much. I didn't see any possible connections, and I usually don't analyze Voting patterns as much as I probably should, since I don't see how SG following Monika would be a bad thing.

Buddying up to someone can be a scum tell, especially if you're attempting to get that person on your good side. That's why I've been suspected of following her.

It could possibly mean that SG is in fact pro-town (especially since he admited to not realizing he was following her) since Monika has already been seen as protown herself.

This is true.

[StrangerCoug]

It's SC, not SG, thank you.

Sorry, it's just the weird way I got by reading your name. I realize you're actually "StrangerCoug" not Strange Cougar like I said, so I hope I can fix myself of that now.

Also, you could be SG. <x>

The "ar" at the end is acceptable, however, and I understand the word "cougar" being used to refer to me (even though it isn't commonly used outside of MafiaScum.net). Let's try to stay on track, though.

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote: No Lynch

[StrangerCoug]

Well, if we're getting discussion back again, even if it's only minimal...

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: Do you believe your vote no longer makes sense?

Yes.

Are you trying to disassociate yourself from something spearheaded by RandomGem?.

No.

[StrangerCoug]

Popcorn's good.

As for my no-lynch vote yesterday: I took the mod's coming back and updating the thread and the talk about RandomGem and me as discussion picking up, and I really don't want to have a vote out for no lynch if I see discussion as highly likely. Simply a playstyle thing.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't like the idea of a massclaim. From what I remember from games I have read, a massclaim in LyLo (as you say we are at) generally ends up badly for the town.

Town massclaimed in Mini 624 and won.

Also, I am mildly suspicious of Iamausername and Korts, because a controversial idea (as I believe a massclaim is) proposed by one person, and supported by a second soon after generally serves to sway those who would ordinarily be on the fence about the idea.

Massclaiming is quite common in my experience, so why do you call it controversial?

[StrangerCoug]

One event does not make a trend. Plus, were there other variables in play such as a cop with a guilty, or was it the massclaim that won the game.

There was a cop in the game, but he turned out to be naive. The massclaim in my game happened because I claimed roleblocked tracker (I was actually a standard Mafia goon) and I proposed the theory that, since I was "blocked" Night 2 but not Night 3, the roleblocker was probably town. I opposed the massclaim there, but it still happened, and the town found out that the roleblocker was scum and/or I was lying. There was a claimed cop out, but he then had three innocent results. He ended up being naive, as well.

Also, was it an open/semi open setup where the scum couldn't hide? Or was it a closed setup, with the other players relying on blind luck to decide which roles were fake/scum?

Closed.

[StrangerCoug]

I am a

Tragic Love Story

; melodramatic, yet a vanilla townie.

RandomGem, go.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh. Hey! >=O
I know it's in your role, but I'm afraid of some mod-bastardery, so I will

Vote:Zakeri

.

Unless Zakeri is counterclaimed by iamausername or Mokina, then given your inability to vote, I'm pretty sure she's cleared.

Major HoS: RandomGem

. Even though his vote doesn't count, the fact that he tried to vote Zakeri given the circumstances and his reason makes me very suspicious.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP:
[quote="StrangerCoug"Unless Zakeri is counterclaimed by iamausername or Mokina, then given your inability to vote, I'm pretty sure

he's

cleared.[/quote]
Fixed. Zakeri's avatar misled me as to his gender.

[StrangerCoug]

@StrangerCoug: I don't quite get what you're saying. I'm just trying to see if I somehow have some voting ability (i.e., trying to see if the mod lied), since I want to be able to vote. I doubt I will get a vote though. I just want to make sure, and I even said that I'll immediately take my vote off on the off chance it works. Plus, I want to vote the person who isn't letting me vote .

If I wanted to test whether or not I had indeed been deprived of my vote, I'd vote someone I genuinely thought was scum, not necessarily the person that deprived me of my vote.

Vote: RandomGem

[StrangerCoug]

@Strangercoug: And you waited until someone else was already voting Randomgem why exactly? It's almost as if you are trying to contribute to proving Korts right, which, since he is likely scum in my book, makes that scummy.

First off, realize that I can't be on MafiaScum 24/7. It was only a major HoS the first time around because I didn't feel it safe to throw a vote out until all the roles were claimed. I wasn't on MafiaScum between the time that happened and the first vote on RandomGem. When RandomGem's response to the HoS didn't convince me and votes went flying, then I took voting as acceptable. (My only concern about your voting before all the roles were claimed is how quickly you did so—the fact that I know what I am does not invalidate your reasoning.) I was aware that there was already a vote on RandomGem when I cast my vote.

As for Korts, his case makes sense if only from hearsay, but I will take another look at him. I am in no way trying to defend him, but he's not a big blip on my scumdar right now either.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: The whole

point

is that you waited until votes started flying before you placed your own. It shows that you are umwilling to do anything until you think it is safe to do so without being called out on it.

LYLO is a very dangerous situation and I was afraid of being called out for voting RandomGem without waiting for all of the claims. I consider it normal play on my part to be more cautious than usual in a situation such as this.

Again, I can't be on 24/7. To give you an idea, the final claim, the claim after which I considered it safe to vote, was at 8:52 PM MDT. I had turned off my computer for the night and gone to bed by then. The first person to vote after all the claims, Korts, voted at 7:51 AM MDT, which on Mondays is when I'm waiting for the bus to school. My first post today was at 8:46 AM MDT. Am I forgetting something?

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Korts just switched his vote.

Korts: I still don't like voting to test whether or not the mod is lying.

[StrangerCoug]

Well damn me >< If I lose, it's nobody's fault but mine. Still a questionable practice, though.

Voting Zakeri solely to test the mod makes no sense to me. The setup does not, in my eyes, lead itself to bastard modding. The theme kind of does, but not enough for me to believe it likely.

[StrangerCoug]

This is scummy. The fact that you separate yourself from the rest of us makes it seem as though your alignment is not the same as ours, and you have just accidentally admitted it. If the SK wasn't already dead, then I would say you were probably the SK. As it is though, it seems like you merely admitted to being scum who just slipped.

I don't see how my post implies that I'm scum given the SK is already dead and the Mafia have yet to suffer the loss of one of their own.

Regarding the italics: I just had to do it. My favorite arguments are semantics based, because in my opinion it is in the semantics of their posts that scum slip up the most, often without realizing it. I get attacked for pushing cases based on semantics, but that won't stop me from going after them, because I feel them to be very important. It has gotten me quite a reputation in some of my games.

I find semantics arguments relatively useless. Not counting it against you; that's just me.

[StrangerCoug]

Because you implied it was

you

that would be the one losing, not the town. This implies that you are a separate entity from the town, and do not win or lose with it.

So I used the first person singular instead of the first person plural. I was trying to hint at a town alignment with that post, but apparently it was interpreted as a scum slip.

[StrangerCoug]

But I'm not scum. That's what I'm saying.

[StrangerCoug]

Hmm... Cautious play from a bulletproof townie. That's not making sense to me either. I would expect the BP to be more aggressive than this, so:

Unvote: RandomGem
Vote: Korts

[StrangerCoug]

Remind me to hurt Kairyuu the first chance I get, because this is my second MafiaScum loss in a row where I was the LYLO mislynch.

[StrangerCoug]

Sorry about pushing you to get lynched Strangercoug. I knew that if there was one person I could get to react abnormally to pressure, it was you, so I banked on the fact that everyone but Korts thought I was pro-town and wouldn't find my vote overly scummy, and went after you right away.

Well, you got it to work. Congratulations for that.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, does anyone know a good way to cook a hat?

Damn, my reads were so off by the end there. Well done to all three of you, Mokina especially, you played an excellent game.

Didn't you have a suspect trio that you had two for three right (you just had to change me to Mokina)?

[StrangerCoug]

Well I'll be damned, Kairyuu (if I'm not already for helping cost town the game). I need to take some advice from you.