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Everyone hard townreads their neighbor for neighborhood reasons besides me and dru. Who have openly stated doubt on each other to some extent before this claim today where the lynch is obvious. Everyone besides us is hard townreading there neighbor/partner. Saying that there partner could never fake what was posting. But the reality of the situation is someone is getting fooled and their neighborIn post 2218, Morning Tweet wrote:
Fallen into the trap? you've got my attentionIn post 2217, Clover Ebi wrote:I hate how everyone besides me and dru have fallen into the trap of this set up. It's so hard to play with people doing this. mmmmdidfake it.
We need to understand that the scum in this setup had plenty of time to prepare and build up fake interactions in a neighborhood that make it very easy to pocket your unsuspecting partner. I don't think it's hard to say that everyone (besides maybe myself but I'll get into that in a moment) here can fake what they posted. It's the strategy scum wanted in the first place. What you should be looking at is in thread interactions not your own hood. That's the trap and everyone is in it.
One of the reasons I had dru as town post this is because of how much wedidn'twork together. Our pt the whole game was mostly silent. More on her end then mine. We weren't trying to do crazy theory or work as a team. We just kept our distance. But I don't want people to focus on this part I want people to see the others.-
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I'm pretty sure you could replace Skitter with anyone else's name and that same statement would be made about their neighbor partner. It just doesn't work.In post 2242, Raven Branwen wrote:
What I’m saying is that I 100% trust my Skitter read and I seriously doubt anyone who had access to our PT wouldn’t townlock her.In post 2233, Clover Ebi wrote:If everyone is saying that there neighbor is town you can't trust those claims because you come at a standstill so it makes every point about it moot.-
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Morning Tweet:is town/werewolf due to being in the pt with a cop. That should be pretty obvious, plus I feel like she's been pretty open minded in trying to solve, I haven't seen a scum game by them but I feel good about this.
drusilla:I won't say pt interactions because that's a bit cheap, but I don't think scum dru posts all her theories and comes up with half the stuff she's been doing. It's near or above Morning Tweet levels that if they're fake I'm seriously impressed by. Part of me was worried due to the Nahdia defense, but that's one line of many.
skitter30:If I had to pick a second person on my guess for last mafia I suppose it'd be skitter. I don't know what's so clearing about her, but I haven't seen the same level of townieness that I can see in my other townreads. It's more a poe read than anything.
beeboy:His interactions with Tux/Nahdia should be pretty clearing if you ask me, if you want to argue against this I would be very open and willing to hear your opinions on it. I don't really agree with how he got some of his stances, but considering who his pt partner is I can see where he's coming from.
Dunnstral:Mafia has to have at least one pr right? Maybe? I think if they do it's Dunnstral. His interactions aren't clearing, he hasn't done much in the game that I would really see or think is worth clearing. Even after things were explained to him he's using this tell that isn't really a tell in my eyes. It feels like he's hiding behind beeboy.
midwaybear:He claimed to be alone and considering that's been proven, that would be a very hard nerf to the scum team that I just can't logically see at the moment. Sure, there's a chance he's a 3p but I think this game is already super wacky enough.
Raven Branwen:I've seen Raven fake these kinds of catch ups before, she did it in a scum game that just ended and it made me suspect her a little more. But, I don't know if she pokes me the way she has as scum? Plus her harsh tone at times makes me want to townread her because I felt like I really offended her and that would be hard to fake.
With all that said:I am the even night watcher that got the result on Chara.-
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We're never going to progress if the other pairs stay in this mindset. There's no teamwork here it's just self confident reads. As someone who is not a confident person maybe I just don't understand that style of play but this path we're going down of saying you'll die for your partner is just, not a good one.-
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Also: Saying your partner is town for PT interactions is not an argument or defense at this stage. Maybe it would be if it was just one person, but at this stage when everyone says it then it becomes null because obviously someone is wrong. Combine that with the fact neighbors are meant to help scum just, gah.
Do I townread my own partner? Yeah a bit, but it has nothing to do with pt interactions it's this theory talk the anger in posting and just Dru coming out as the first werewolf. Would I die on a sword for her? No, I'd lynch her third in my list at the moment and I really wish everyone else would at least try to be open minded to this.-
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1) Yup! Of course I knew I was scumIn post 2725, Raven Branwen wrote:
Did you think you were scum when you initially received your role pm?In post 2720, Clover Ebi wrote:Raven can you put all your questions for me in bullet points or something please? Want to make sure I don't miss anything.
What was your reaction after Star/Lillith flips?
Why do you think scum is amongst the vt claims?
Why are you convinced Dru is town other than than the watcher claim, Chara/Tux guilty?
Why don’t you believe my town!Skitter case? Because I seriously doubt that anyone who had access to our pt, wouldn’t immediately townlock us both.
And, are you ever going to humour me by making a readslist like you did in Trust Fall?
2) I questioned the mod a lot on if we had a traitor that I wasn't aware of. Or if there was some kind of second werewolf fraction that was somehow against me and Dru. I also ranted about it to my pal but I obviously can't prove that
3) It's more for information than anything else. I think we do have a night kill and no killing isn't out of the question. The 2 town theory just wouldn't make sense with Tux/Chara play
4/5) Answered this
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Dunnstral>Skitter>DruIn post 2729, Morning Tweet wrote:
i would die for KannaIn post 2724, Clover Ebi wrote:We're never going to progress if the other pairs stay in this mindset. There's no teamwork here it's just self confident reads. As someone who is not a confident person maybe I just don't understand that style of play but this path we're going down of saying you'll die for your partner is just, not a good one.
Well Clover i get what yer saying but I don't really read skitts/Raven to be scum at all regardless. That just leaves ur group and beeboy's group. And i don't think it's beeboy.
Who would you exile before Dru again?
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You asking us to basically bet the game that you both are confident enough to townread each other due to pt interactions is a bit much and I think you should see that. Beeboy and Dunnstral were hard townreading each other for ages and beeboy just started to show some interest in lynching his own partner.In post 2733, Raven Branwen wrote:
Well I of course can’t speak for Skitter here but knowing what I know, I wouldn’t hesitate. That’s how confident I am on locktown!Skitter.In post 2728, Clover Ebi wrote:Also: Saying your partner is town for PT interactions is not an argument or defense at this stage. Maybe it would be if it was just one person, but at this stage when everyone says it then it becomes null because obviously someone is wrong. Combine that with the fact neighbors are meant to help scum just, gah.
Do I townread my own partner? Yeah a bit, but it has nothing to do with pt interactions it's this theory talk the anger in posting and just Dru coming out as the first werewolf. Would I die on a sword for her? No, I'd lynch her third in my list at the moment and I really wish everyone else would at least try to be open minded to this.
Why aren’t you considering at all that I have damned valid reasons for that confident read? Do you honestly think I’d say this if I had even the slightest reason to doubt her? Absolutely no, I wouldn’t. Yes, I am irritated because you should at least consider why Skitter and I are this extremely confident on each other and it looks to me now, that we are the only living pair who are. I think that speaks volumes, don’t you?
No one is calling you or skitter stupid, but asking us to just trust both of you when we have no idea on what we're trusting you on is a lot to ask for Raven.-
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I agree with Morning that arguging with Raven on this is pointless. But that doesn't mean It makes me scumread Skitter any less. Of course I'm not going to die on a Skitter lynch I'm not the type to drive wagons through, that's just not my style. But I can at least show my thoughts that Skitter has been the least townie in these day phases besides Dunnstral-
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I should just keep a counter and tally marks on the number of times people misinterpret the things I say. I've never been frustrated at anyone this game but myself. It's very hard to upset me given this is a game of mafia meant for fun.
I'm all for teamwork and taking a step back if I'm tunneling on a read. But I'm not tunneling, I'm asking for reasons in the thread and I haven't been shown any. Considering the nature of neighborhoods it's hard to just 2 players locking each other as town given that's how scum neighborhoods and this game especially should work. Maybe if the environment was different or if this was a normal game I'd be-no I know for a fact I'd probably be a lot more relaxed with just trusting people. But I don't think there's a problem with me bringing awareness to the topic at hand.
Do you see me trying to hard drive a skitter lynch right now? I'm not, because people I townread say Skitter is town and even though they haven't given me reasons for it I will trust it for now. But I don't think there's a problem with me making my worries known.-
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It's odd regardless but it's less odd with a team of 3 than it is 2In post 2810, Dunnstral wrote:
Why does a team of 3 do that?In post 2597, Clover Ebi wrote:Lunch break is about to be over but the reason I doubt the 2 town theory is because Tux/Chara basically threw the game by visiting Kanna last night and then the self hammer thing. I just, doubt that a team of 2 does that?-
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If scum were in the mindset that Tux/Chara were done for regardless (and considering they sent Chara into the obvious watcher target I feel like that is the correct assumption) the best way for Chara to exit is to confuse us right? Not roleblocking the watcher who was going to be on the cop is certainly an easy answer-
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Please don'tIn post 2841, skitter30 wrote:bee if dru flips ww are u ok being voted out tom ?-
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I never-In post 2862, Raven Branwen wrote:
So you finally believe me now? Hallelujah! \o/In post 2833, Clover Ebi wrote:I'm just trying to ease your worries. The town core of you mt Raven skitter never changes and that should win the game right?
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It's not like we don't have extra lynches. We need to lynch on what will be the best gamestae wise. That's Dunnstral or Dru that's so much invest power.
If you look at things at a basic level then the game is rather simple. We don't need to try and figure out the whole puzzle because we're never going to agree-
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Stop looking at who we think is scum just a moment and look at who we think istown. If it's impossible to pin down scum together we can look at things another angle together. Let's find the town and carry on that way.
We can agree on Skitter MT Raven for now right? If we can add 1 or 2 more it doesn't matter how unlikely the other 3 are.-
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I don't think the rest of the game can agree on Dru though and that's what we need to work on. I would say add beeboy. I don't think his tone and his interactions are ever coming from scum. It just, feels too odd.In post 2990, skitter30 wrote:
yeah so i'd add dru to my core and then pair down amongst you fourIn post 2987, Clover Ebi wrote:We can agree on Skitter MT Raven for now right? If we can add 1 or 2 more it doesn't matter how unlikely the other 3 are.-
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