Silent Star 1: Lunacy

[Dunnstral]

In my experience from playing with midwaybear, he's always scum

VOTE: votato

[Dunnstral]

So you're sheeping scum?

I don't believe in gamblers fallacy so... I don't know

[Dunnstral]

My vote is probably misplaced on you, I feel like you're always getting wagoned early.

VOTE: skitter30

A little too cheery for me

[Dunnstral]

That's a fake persona skitter30

[Dunnstral]

I just looked over some of your games. I feel like you get into things faster as town. You start talking about something. I don't agree that you made the same rvs post, aside from you saying hey! and then talking about your vla times

[Dunnstral]

Votato this is your moment

You can continue to push me for something that obviously doesn't point at me being scum to cause a distraction, or you can move to skitter who reacted super defensively then tried to vote me for a counterwagon to start

[Dunnstral]

I'd like an explanation from Votato

- not reacting defensively
- your push on me is vapid
- i'm kinda intersted that you're framing my vote on you as 'trying to form a cw' over 'think your entrance is scummy'

Votato was leaning towards going on me so it looks like you were going with the momento
You do indeed appear to be reacting defensively

[Dunnstral]

ok, why is that a fake persona over:

- me being in a good mood this morning?
- me writing p much the exact same rvs post that i've written in nearly every game i've played in the past several months?

I think you overexplained youself here which felt overdefensive

[Dunnstral]

But if youre scum its actually quite a bad play,

Only thing I can agree with in here

[Dunnstral]

How do you sleep at night with that vote in post 30?

[Dunnstral]

Overzealous but NOT "wrong" persay

[Dunnstral]

skitter I’ve never seen you this excited which is making me a biiiiiiiiit paranoid

Dunn, if you don’t like my vote on you then why don’t you straight up ask me why I voted? Why this skirting around of trying to throw shade at me for it?

Idk. Loaded question.

skitter I’ve never seen you this excited which is making me a biiiiiiiiit paranoid

Literally what I was argueing and you're now voting me for

[Dunnstral]

skitter I’ve never seen you this excited which is making me a biiiiiiiiit paranoid

Supposed to be @ the first half of skitters post. I jumped on her early but there are $!gns there

[Dunnstral]

All you did was naked vote so. And yesthat is what I was arguing, I said cheery instead though.

Skktter it's ai because It's a fake persona

[Dunnstral]

OK. Why are you voting me?

I think you're overestimating how much attention I should have been paying attention to you

[Dunnstral]

Don't even start with that Votato

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: lilith2013

[Dunnstral]

Votato is always awkward in my viewpoint henceme unvoting early

[Dunnstral]

You're really hanging onto that 'he shaded my vote' huh

[Dunnstral]

Yes but I felt my rvs was misplaced. I did not want to wagon him

[Dunnstral]

The midway thing was a joke because I've always been scum in his games and he gets pushed as town

[Dunnstral]

The midway thing was a joke because I've always been scum in his games and he gets pushed as town

bruh you played in one game with me
right?

Two

Remember I replaced into one

[Dunnstral]

a lot of people don't openly admit their pushes are weak early on. It's actually funny sometimes how big the gap between how good the push is and how confident someone is about it. I think he was playing it up in an attempt to sort you, so it doesn't really make sense to see it as town!Dunn backs down and scum!dunn doubles down

I was pushing what was available at the time. This is fair analysis

@Lilith/Votato/Skitter. Are your votes on Dunnstral real? Do you think he's coming out of the gate swinging on Skitter like this as scum? That just seems pretty bold if you ask me.

I endorse this sentiment

Skitter/Lilith/Votato are so eager to scumread me

[Dunnstral]

How do I say this properly...

Lilith I looked at your back and forth with Dunn and I think you're a bit tunneled/focused on him too much. Like, if Dunn is scum I doubt a lot of the reasons you're calling him scum went through his head and was an action he decided to consciously take as scum. That's just, so much early game when really it isn't needed at all.

am i tunneled/focused on dunn too much?

I looked at your iso again and it seems very reasonable/open. You're talking to others and taking other angles that don't involve Dunn. I don't think you're tunneled atm.
@Midway Wah? Huh? I just like the emojis! :(

Really cause it seems she's only talking about me

@dunn asked you a question earlier. do you still stand by the reasoning you gave for the early skitter push? is there any more context?

My push made sense on page 1 (rvs, didn't want to vote votato)

Then skitter/lilith/votato reacted to it like crazy and it kept going

[Dunnstral]

It's not my only take but it's the one I wanted to start with.

Spoiler:

I am waiting for someone to say hey hey back before I play >:(

None of those are Hey heys but I'll read up.

I am waiting for someone to say hey hey back before I play >:(

Hi!!!! you remind me of some pokemon games!

The Radja ones or something else o:

My hey heys have been satisfied.

By nature Dunnstral is a very reserved scum. I have only seen him play scum once since my return where he matched that playstyle I expected. So I want to say he is town even if his skitter push is a bit odd

Beeboy's first five posts are nothing. And I consider them a deliberate distraction because he actually demands they get attention and responses. After the thread has slowed down to just say hi and talk about fluff with him then he jumps in with a weak defense of Dunnstral.

Like he doesn't say that this game is different from scum Dunnstral he's seen. He says that "by nature" Dunnstral scum doesn't play like this. Implying he's almost incapable of it, and it's based on only one game. It feels much stronger than evidence supports.

Do you think I'm town then?

[Dunnstral]

trying to delineate between these arguments feels pretty forced to me. skitter actively chose to use exclamation points in a way that is uncommon for her.

Yep, that's what I'm on about

[Dunnstral]

@Dunnstral how do you feel about Beeboy?

Not enough info to have a good read there yet

[Dunnstral]

hi sorry i intended to enter the game in earnest earlier but a lot happened today. was kinda hoping someone would react to my first post but i guess you all just don't care about me. i see how it is.

dunnstral how serious was your early push on skitter? do you still stand by that reasoning you gave?
skitter's reaction to dunn's push is kinda towny imo.

blah blah blah

Am I the only one who is getting like, no scum pings from Dunnstral/Skitter/Lilith/Votato? I got townie pings from the first 3 and nothing from Votato. Just me? Okay.

scumposting.

VOTE: Clover Ebi

Nope Clover is towny.

I explained the skitter thing, I don't think their reaction is towny.

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE: Clover Ebi

Quote error

[Dunnstral]

Tux's entrance is very similar to dunnstral's because they both picked bad reasons to scumread someone.

HAHAAHAHAHA

[Dunnstral]

you still haven't explained why 'exclamation points being uncommon for me' and ' being a vote-worthy behavior

Because it's a fake persona.

[Dunnstral]

Yeah I don't want to talk about this anymore

I did explain it though

[Dunnstral]

lso, wtf -- this comes a bit after Lilith started a push on Clover that votato joined. You didnt mention Clover in your catchup post. what prompted you to theorize out of the blue that clover is using emojis to hide nervousness? Just seeing a couple of emojis?

lol it was a half-joke, but basically

What's TWTBAW?

To wolfy to be a wolf. It's sorta like votato's point that Dunnstral is town because his push was bad. I disagree with this because I don't think being anti-town is exclusively for town. I think scum can act anti-town to get the village to ignore them. In fact, it's a viable strategy for scum to act anti-town if you believe in this TWTBAW logic.

tux's argument = not good = townie

I don't think I ever said that his argument was townie.

Well you've seen me play mafia twice and I never really played like this from the get go

[Dunnstral]

Wow skitter, that's so much better than your case against me, I can see why you'd move your vote.

[Dunnstral]

What did you misread?

[Dunnstral]

The logic doesn't make him look bad, but beeboy's attitude does. beeboy engages tux, tux responds to beeboy, and suddenly beeboy is smearing him as "centering all his content around this 1v1" (I explained why this doesn't make sense) and he's frustrating because "I see things clearly other people aren't" (the exchange had literally just begun virtually no one else checking in).

dot dot dot

What are you talking about

[Dunnstral]

This isn't a pagetop hectic

[Dunnstral]

The logic doesn't make him look bad, but beeboy's attitude does. beeboy engages tux, tux responds to beeboy, and suddenly beeboy is smearing him as "centering all his content around this 1v1" (I explained why this doesn't make sense) and he's frustrating because "I see things clearly other people aren't" (the exchange had literally just begun virtually no one else checking in).

dot dot dot

What are you talking about

do you disagree or..?

Yeah, I don't see it

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: votato

I don't like his stances on me which seemed to shift opportunistically + I don't like his latest vote on Clover. Sorry to ruin your fun.

[Dunnstral]

oh and votato seems to scumread every up and coming wagon which feels wrong to me

[Dunnstral]

Nahdia I guess I didn't have that impression of beeboy

[Dunnstral]

When you scumread me early and then townread me but kept your vote on me, and then later when pressure stayed on me you said 'the logical conclusion is that Dunn is scum' or something to that effect

[Dunnstral]

i think skitter is town and lilith is prolly townish, but i think for lilith ill wait until later to sort her. i get solid townpings from votato. perhaps my strongest townread. something is off for sure about dunnstral. the logical conclusion is that dunn is scum.

[Dunnstral]

My eyes are drawn to my name like a moth is drawn to a flame which provokes a primal rage that makes me not read the surrounding posts. Why are you talking about yourself like that in that post?

It's almost like that post was meant for somebody else to post...

[Dunnstral]

¶

Votecount 1.7

[3] Tuxedo Mask:

beeboy, Clover Ebi, Morning Tweet

[2] Clover Ebi:

lilith2013, votato

[2] beeboy:

Tuxedo Mask, Nahdia

[2] Nahdia:

skitter, Kanna

[1] Dunnstral:

midwaybear

[3] Not Voting:

drusilla, Raven Branwen, Dunnstral

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to throw someone down the well.
The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-07-10 09:18:09).

oh and votato seems to scumread every up and coming wagon which feels wrong to me

Do i though? I don't think there's an up and coming wagon on tux for example. Conversely, i haven't stated a scum read on nahdia

It's the leading wagon and you immediately started shading tux after the votecount was posted

[Dunnstral]

Why do you townread lilith?

[Dunnstral]

I'm not sure what to think of votato having me as logical scum but actually he thought I was town and the logic was wrong. That's weird.

VOTE: lilith

And yes Mr Clover Ebi, I'd like your opinion

[Dunnstral]

Yeah Clover his read on you is pretty bad, I forgot about that

[Dunnstral]

I wouldn't describe lilith as 'angry', more like 'calculating'

[Dunnstral]

I don’t think that’s what’s happening here though - votato seems to be simultaneously calling dunn probtown while keeping his options open to scumread dunn. I don’t think it’s a case of “haven’t found a better vote,” he pretty explicitly said he’s still voting dunn because he could be scum.

What a strange post. You’re talking to me like you know I’m town and you’re talking about Dunn like you know he’s town and you’re trying to defend him but you’re not actually pointing out anything towny about him, it’s a very null defense.

This feels like her method to shade/vote whoever she wants.

I'm not seeing any anger in her posts. She doesn't feel snarky - she's

slimy

, she seems to h ave an agenda to push

[Dunnstral]

Him remaining so stubborn makes me feel good about this.

This isn't a good reason to scumread me

[Dunnstral]

nice sheeping

nice shading

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn, can you please answer my Skitter question? Thanks.

I feel like I've answer multiple times, the gist is that it seemed like a fake persona. a.k.a. not how she would naturally type out her posts, and I believe that to be scummy

[Dunnstral]

I'm skimming the last ~8 pages.

lilith, beeboy, votato, mt are probably town
kanna seems legit
nahdia, skitter, clover, tux have a good amount of posts but I may have not been paying attention
idk about drusilla and raven
dunnstral is probably scum

Why am I probably scum? You've seen me as scum twice now, come on now.

Why is lilith probably town?

[Dunnstral]

Now that I'm speaking outloud I just wanna kinda move my vote to here VOTE: midway So his meta is he's scummy as town but...scummy as scum? That could be a really easily used defense and I just kinda want to put some pressure here see where it leads.
pedit: Yeah just give me a sec. Headache coming in again

I've only seen him through the lens of being scum - he tends to get pushed as a mislynch option by town throughout the game

[Dunnstral]

I'm positive there's scum on my wagon. I can't understand anyone who's seriously scumreading me - if you think I am capable of creating this much content with so many different underlying threads going on when I'm scum, then I'm actually super flattered you think I'm that good, but I feel like I'm the most obvtown slot in this game.

re: Raven/Nahdia wagons, they have 0 traction somehow! literally it's just me and skitter voting them.. if they are in fact low hanging fruit, then scum should have been all over those wagons.

I thought you played well as scum in that newbie game.

But fine, admittedly I've only been skimming for the past few days, and there is a large amount of people saying you are town.

Now that I'm speaking outloud I just wanna kinda move my vote to here VOTE: midway So his meta is he's scummy as town but...scummy as scum? That could be a really easily used defense and I just kinda want to put some pressure here see where it leads.
pedit: Yeah just give me a sec. Headache coming in again

I think the way he kept his vote on me the whole time has been awkward scummy so... this is a wagon I approve of

VOTE: midwaybear

[Dunnstral]

I was trolling when? I was never trolling

[Dunnstral]

Why are you trying to 'appease him'

[Dunnstral]

I think Midway's general progression on me has looked really bad, and I don't think I'm biased

[Dunnstral]

I'm here.

[Dunnstral]

Midway is still pushing me?

This guy is scum

[Dunnstral]

But if that wagon isn't happening today I'll vote somewhere else

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn who are you voting for that isn't Midway?

I might be willing to vote for Nahdia, I'd need to read their posts more closely. From what I remember of Votato he was kind of scummy so I'm eyeing Starbuck as well. I'm also tempted on Skitter. I know that's like, all the wagons right now.

I see that Midway is picking up steam right now

[Dunnstral]

dunnstral has actually been coasting,

Not gonna lie, I have and should give this game more attention

I don't think 'coasting' is a good reason to lynch me, and you're the pot calling the kettle black

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn who are you voting for that isn't Midway?

I might be willing to vote for Nahdia, I'd need to read their posts more closely. From what I remember of Votato he was kind of scummy so I'm eyeing Starbuck as well. I'm also tempted on Skitter. I know that's like, all the wagons right now.

I see that Midway is picking up steam right now

Can you rank these at least? And give a short reason why?

Midway is who I want to lynch the most because I think his vote park on me even when prodded is really scummy and I think the way he's comparing the two of us feels like scum rather than town
I'd say Starbuck is next because the votato stuff is still in my mind, I'd have to read their posts more closely to see if I still hold true to this
Then Nahdia/Skitter are vaguely scummy in my mind

[Dunnstral]

why am I even on the table? I legit don't understand?! I am trying to solve this game too!!!
dunnstral isn't even trying at this point

You're getting lynched because you keep trying to make the game about me

[Dunnstral]

i feel kind of weird about starbuck being passionate about skitter/nahdia actually, especially since i said it was a good point and she seemed to make it her main point aaaaaaaaaa

What do you mean?

[Dunnstral]

Seems like your every post is talking about how I'm coasting

[Dunnstral]

Well, I don't super scumread Dunnstral so my vote was more to appease you.

Lynch this man

[Dunnstral]

Well, I don't super scumread Dunnstral so my vote was more to appease you.

Hang this Wiki

Excuse my language

[Dunnstral]

OK but why does being passionate about that make them wiki @Kanna

[Dunnstral]

Also, Midwaybear not even pushing a counter wagon, but continuing his reenactment of Sisyphus with his Dunn vanity wagon seems very townie.

Really..?

[Dunnstral]

so uh who are we hanging tonight

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Starbuck

E-1

[Dunnstral]

Doesn't that make midway our enemy since he's claiming not paired?

[Dunnstral]

I think you slipped by claiming lone wolf

My alignment is confirmed to 1 other person and it sounds like this is similar for other people

[Dunnstral]

It doesn't make sense though

There's an even number of 'town' if we assume 3 anti-town as normal

[Dunnstral]

The fact that you are out of the loop in a different way feels to me like it makes you scum

Someone tell me if I'm being dumb

[Dunnstral]

just played in a game with 11 goons and 2 mason vigilantes.

That sounds like normal mafia but calling them different names

[Dunnstral]

Like that setup is 11-2 mountainous with the goons being vts and the "mason vigilantes" being mafia

[Dunnstral]

That game was mountainous; this game clearly isn't

[Dunnstral]

That's worth exploring though

You think the anti-town in this game is 2 people pretending to be wolves together? Essentially a lover pair

[Dunnstral]

The flavor insinuates the Mayor is scum more then once.

Not that I don't believe you but where

[Dunnstral]

That theory sounds dumb to me. The only scum is the mod?

[Dunnstral]

Link to VC on this page.

That’s basically this game though,

We had a watcher and bodyguard flip though

[Dunnstral]

even-night watcher, but still

[Dunnstral]

Midway if you were a lone wolf who did you think knew about you / who are you told are your wolf buddies?
Lone wolf is a legit role.

Makes sense if we look at him pushing me and nobody else as an omgus thing

[Dunnstral]

I'm paired with ww flavor and it's implied that I'm the same alignment as the person I'm paired to

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler:

[Dunnstral]

Was I the only one genuinely scumhunting? Awkward

Not a fan of this as the only thing Clover has to say

[Dunnstral]

There's one persom who i think slipped having actual town flavor too

who?

[Dunnstral]

I'm in a pt with someone else tho, so maybe we're neighbors? Idk

do you have a reason to assume you aren't masons?

Why didn't you ask yours before essentially scumclaiming at day start?

[Dunnstral]

Because I don't consider only starbuck's flip being a good reason to claim

And your claim came 2 minutes after lilith flipped, so there was no time to discuss

How did you decide to claim?

[Dunnstral]

Eh I've seen mafia watchers before, reasonable answer though

[Dunnstral]

Do you think town knew from the start they were heavily outnumbered? If they didn't it'd be pretty hard to fake being a werewolf probably

'town'?

[Dunnstral]

What does that mean nahdia?

[Dunnstral]

you're both claiming factional cop?

Ok here's the thing: with an even-night watcher and a bodyguard I'm very skeptical of this claim based on mechanics. Even if the alignment cop is roleblocked, they're still seen by watcher. What's the counterplay?

[Dunnstral]

Clover Ebi is scum. That's a scum reaction.

[Dunnstral]

Everything they are posting right now since this day started

[Dunnstral]

Checked skitter because I figured my role was for finding my partners and like I already said, I was starting to think she was one.

Why would kanna fakeclaim instead of nightkill you

[Dunnstral]

And Kanna did you ask what result you would get if you targeted yourself with your alignment cop?

I’m a factional cop with the description of “you can target someone and you’ll find out exactly what faction they’re apart of.” I thought this meant multiball. Nahdia came up straight mafia

You should have waited for pair claims.

[Dunnstral]

There's no way I could play my day 1 like that if I was scum though.

But you thought you were scum on day 1, so apparently you can?

[Dunnstral]

You should have waited for pair claims.

Why?

To see who Nahdia is paired with since we were speculating on scum being paired together?

[Dunnstral]

Also I'm still wanting people to answer my day start question.
pedit: No, I am a werewolf I just thought this game was multiball so I was scumhunting the other pair the entire game

But you said:

There's no way I could play my day 1 like that if I was scum though. Although I don't know why you thought my today came from scum?

Except... you should have thought you were scum on day 1, so the argument shouldn't make sense. Cognitive dissonance at work here

[Dunnstral]

There's no way I could play my day 1 like that if I was scum though.

You thought you were scum on day 1, correct?

Why couldn't you play day 1 if you were scum... when your day 1 was played out as a result of thinking you were scum?

[Dunnstral]

Nahdia I don't believe that you're an alignment cop that got rolecopped and pushed by real mafia.

[Dunnstral]

Clover are you saying that you thought you were a wolf and there's no way your play would come from mafia for some reason?

[Dunnstral]

then why did you say I think my partner is a werewolf
can people just claim their partners?
ok so drusilla and clover are together...

He is theorizing that wolf/wolf isn't necessarily masons, but believes his partner is a true wolf

[Dunnstral]

Nahdia I don't believe that you're an alignment cop that got rolecopped and pushed by real mafia.

you mean kanna?

No I mean nahdia, who also claimed that role

[Dunnstral]

you're both claiming factional cop?

OK here's the thing: with an even-night watcher and a bodyguard I'm very skeptical of this claim based on mechanics. Even if the alignment cop is roleblocked, they're still seen by watcher. What's the counterplay?

This is relevant though

[Dunnstral]

Clover are you saying that you thought you were a wolf and there's no way your play would come from mafia for some reason?

Unlike other people who were claiming to have faked there play or something like that I wasn't. I was still playing like town me would because in my mind I was hunting for another scum team. So all my thoughts and interactions came from a good place. It would've started to be a scum game for me if that other team died and I had to protect my partner but it never came to that. If I was the real scum in this case I wouldn't have been hunting people because I would be informed.

But then you can't say you wouldn't play like that as scum, because you would clearly

[Dunnstral]

I can't tell if I'm not making sense or Dunnstral is being purposely obtuse.

You're not making sense in my eyes and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[Dunnstral]

I understand what Clover is saying i think you guys are sort of arguing semantics

We're not though

They're saying they couldn't fake their play as scum because they were playing as if they were town

Except they thought they were scum all along so... they can fake that play as scum, admittedly

[Dunnstral]

Clover are you saying that you thought you were a wolf and there's no way your play would come from mafia for some reason?

Unlike other people who were claiming to have faked there play or something like that I wasn't. I was still playing like town me would because in my mind I was hunting for another scum team. So all my thoughts and interactions came from a good place. It would've started to be a scum game for me if that other team died and I had to protect my partner but it never came to that. If I was the real scum in this case I wouldn't have been hunting people because I would be informed.

But then you can't say you wouldn't play like that as scum, because you would clearly

No I wouldn't because if I was scum my day 1 wouldn't be like that.

Instead of saying scum can you use the word WOLF to refer to when you thought you were a werewolf antitown, and MAFIA to refer to real antitown

[Dunnstral]

This claim is the first I'm hearing about Nahdia being cop. They never mentioned it in our PT.

VOTE: Nahdia

[Dunnstral]

What is Nahdia at right now?

What are your other reads before we go to night?

[Dunnstral]

why are we trusting that tuxedo mask isn't nahdia's partner here? also i am going to unvote again but my vote remains in place in spirit. i wish not for the day to end quickly.

UNVOTE:

It doesn't really matter for todays vote does it

[Dunnstral]

What if tux is also mafia but is selling out nahdia right now because they know my result is real?

Then do you think Midway is also mafia, or is this a 2/4 scum situation?

[Dunnstral]

Did Nahdia self hammer or no?

[Dunnstral]

Everyone should go read their partner pt in a new light.

My partner asked me at the very start of the game if I 'wanted to claim my role'

Their justification today is that they have seen complicated roles like day vig and didn't want to play like they knew it was coming

What do you think of that?

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

[Dunnstral]

At least one in Beeboy/Dunn is a wolf

Why?

[Dunnstral]

Wait, I read wolf as "anti-town". What are you saying there

[Dunnstral]

Kanna is a wolf
Drusilla is a wolf
Tuxedo is a wolf (It also explains his D1 perfectly)
Midway is a wolf (gut from his posting today)

Clover is probably a wolf
Skitts is probably a wolf

At least one in Beeboy/Dunn is a wolf

Undecided on Raven

Nahdia is mafia

Any of this seem wrong?

Clover looks like mafia to me. I agree with Midway-Town

[Dunnstral]

At least one in Beeboy/Dunn is a wolf

Why?

Cause I'm thinking that there's at least 1 wolf in each wolf hood.

What's the connection between me and beeboy, then?

[Dunnstral]

Everyone should go read their partner pt in a new light.

My partner asked me at the very start of the game if I 'wanted to claim my role'

Their justification today is that they have seen complicated roles like day vig and didn't want to play like they knew it was coming

What do you think of that?

That uh, doesn't seem very good now that we know what's going on.

What does that justification even mean?

It means that they don't want to say anything that gives away that they're playing off of my role when they don't know what it is. The example was if I were a day vigilante, they wouldn't want to see the shot coming

[Dunnstral]

I'll let the others look at the way Beeboy/Dunnstral both outright flipped their tune and attacked me as the day started even though my play should show otherwise.

I don't think your play shows otherwise. I think you're playing the same as you were pre-reveal.

[Dunnstral]

Also you really think I'm scum?

[Dunnstral]

I'll let the others look at the way Beeboy/Dunnstral both outright flipped their tune and attacked me as the day started even though my play should show otherwise.

I don't think your play shows otherwise. I think you're playing the same as you were pre-reveal.

Exactly! :)

Which makes me scumread you. This shouldn't make you think I'm anti-town, you're the weird one here

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ARGH! MY PLAN!

I told Nahdia how I planned to approach the day if everyone was Wolves. So now it won't work. Unless there isn't a Mafia chat or something.

uh so you admit that you are mafia?

They claimed to be paired.

I guess my current guess is that two of the pairs are just pairs of non-ww's

so 4 scum?

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With nahdia outting her partner

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*their

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ARGH! MY PLAN!

I told Nahdia how I planned to approach the day if everyone was Wolves. So now it won't work. Unless there isn't a Mafia chat or something.

uh so you admit that you are mafia?

Please tell me how that work.

Because you're in a pt with Nahdia. Are you not a wolf?

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I think it's best I ignore Dunnstral since he's never going to understand what I'm saying, but that's more my fault than anything else.

Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt I don't think it makes sense for you to be pushing me if it's more your fault

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At least one in Beeboy/Dunn is a wolf

Why?

Cause I'm thinking that there's at least 1 wolf in each wolf hood.

What's the connection between me and beeboy, then?

Educated guess, wanted to see if i was right

If you're not together, i'd amend it to that you're both decently likely wolves but i dont have proof yet

Were you discussing this with Kanna or did you spontaneously come out with it?

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It also looks like you and I had the same idea starting this day. Makes me trust it even less.

What does this mean........?

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I think it's best I ignore Dunnstral since he's never going to understand what I'm saying, but that's more my fault than anything else.

Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt I don't think it makes sense for you to be pushing me if it's more your fault

You're snap pushing me for something you're not understanding and that's the part that makes me feel weird. Because if you don't fully understand you shouldn't be pushing me. Nor have you even explained how anything I posted comes from mafia. You just latched onto my response after the fact.

OK let me explain this.

I think you should be going:
scum -> town

Instead you appear to be going:
scum -> scum

There's no perceptible shift in your gameplay, therefore I suspect you.

Further your "let's not lynch either of the cops' was super scummy on its own too. it was highly unlikely Nahdia was a cop with Kanna being a rolecop pushing them

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At least one in Beeboy/Dunn is a wolf

Why?

Cause I'm thinking that there's at least 1 wolf in each wolf hood.

What's the connection between me and beeboy, then?

Educated guess, wanted to see if i was right

If you're not together, i'd amend it to that you're both decently likely wolves but i dont have proof yet

Were you discussing this with Kanna or did you spontaneously come out with it?

I actually did place bets on 1. midway being wolf and 2. beeboy/Dunn being together in our PT

I just want to confirm: Were you the person who said beeboy/me were paired, or was it more of a discussion and you arrived at that

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I guess if he's partners with nahdia they're probably not together?

What makes you say that

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Wait are you hounding me on it because i was actually right?

Yes.

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And I looked back and we hadn't claimed yet so I thought maybe you had insider knowledge, I wanted to confirm who it was who brought that up

That said, I think beeboy is town based on further context than what can be gleamed off of what I said

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both related to special setup mechanics. Maybe the setup not having special mechanics is changing how he opens -- Obviously that doesn't change how he did stand out as townie in those games but it makes me wonder

I thought mt slipped here thinking mechanics/flavor was not unusual

MT is a wolf who doesn't have a kill and their wolf buddy is an alignment cop

Clearly they believed there was special mechanics, also they thought they were scum @ post 336 so they could have been legitimately fake slipping

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which still makes them town I suppose but still

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I wanna know how people feel about Raven/Nahdia now that Nahdia is outted. It looks pretty bad to me

I'll need you to elaborate.

I'll be honest: I haven't read large batches of the game near the end of day 1. I have no clue what these nahdia/raven interactions are

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I wanna know how people feel about Raven/Nahdia now that Nahdia is outted. It looks pretty bad to me

...

Wait Skitter don't look at me like that please I would've flipped with you I promise :?

People were scumreading me so hard day1 for saying this ...

I've been townreading you from the start you know this.

That doesn't make sense because they thought they were a wolf at the start, and your unchanging read here is ~weird~

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Leave me alone Dunnstral! :lol:

I've disagreed with pretty much everything you're said today

It doesn't make sense to me that you were townreading skitter day 1 and are still townreading them based on your day 1 read, when in actuality skitter was playing as if they were anti-town

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I'll go sleep for a few hours

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One last thing before I go:

So bodyguard and watcher were paired with each other: mafia has to have some serious power to avoid town power roles here

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Big oof and maybe lilith claimed to her partner too ...

i am pretty sure that is why they are dead. i believe we are looking for two mafia who claimed to be paired together and one mafia in the other pairs.

so i think nahdia/tuxedo mask.

and potentially clover ebi?

or one of dunnstral/beeboy. based on starbuck wagon.

fyi we thought that starbuck was part of an opposing scum faction. I saw clover and beeboy move, so that it was l-1, and went for the quick hammer without a claim while pretending I thought it was E-1 (yeah). Also I was thinking it would be wifom and you wouldn't expect both beeboy and I to quickhammer like that on day 1

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Tux/Mid/Raven hm

Tux/Mid/Raven hm

If you and Drusilla are town this is what I think.

What does this list mean? 'Cause Nahdia is scum and they're not on it

4 scum?

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that heavy pr soft smells

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but I'm really suspicious of all the people that are so strongly trusting their partners.

why?

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They kept claiming not to trust me due to bastard mechanics but got very annoyed with me when I bussed them.

Can you elaborate on this

What were they not trusting you over, and why were you bussing them

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I'm pretty sure this is a true love set up.

Wouldn't that make you mafia?

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Yet you, Beeboy, Skitter, M, and Clover seem to be beating the same drum they were day 1.

My day 1 and day 2 play could not be more different, take a quick look and try again

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Drusilla, why are you claiming though

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Dw MT I’m positive I won’t be lynched this game.

This is mafia for sure

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Actually they should have claimed is your pt. Is that their claim? If so they're mafia!

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and your end of day 1 hammer was basically a scum claim.

dot dot dot

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I thought I was scum

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Yet you pushed Midway immediately like you did all of day 1.

It was different; it was based more on mechanics. I feel he's town now

I think my Clover push has weight

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What do you mean true love, the two dead players didn't die at the same time. Are you saying it's like a delayed death thing and the nightkill is actually the lover mechanic? I'd be willing to buy that maybe

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I still don't want to end the day though, I feel like there's still stuff to talk about

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Why don't you two talk out here?

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Why do we think there has to be a maf/maf pair? That's only for Nahdia/Tux right? Not everybody else

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From Tuxes PoV it'd have to be an impure pair, wouldn't it?

Yeah not sure why he's saying "idk" when Nahdia is scumclaiming in thread for the past few pages

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I guess Beeboy and Dunnstral rub me the wrong because they feel the most certain of each other.

The deepest of wolves

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Oh MT/Skitter if tux is town do you agree with me that the scum pairing has to be bee and Dunn? It can’t be mid unless one of star or Lilith we’re alone but that’s unlikely

Look at how Bee was treating me day 1, and tell me we are both mafia and he came out and hard defended me when we aren't really paired, and are now faking it

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there are three mafia either way. either the mafia are nahdia/tuxedo + one of the impure pair, or nahdia + the pure pair.

nahdia/tuxedo mask/clover ebi or nahdia/dunnstral/beeboy seem the most likely to me, with much more weight on the first.

Clover said something in your pt that made you think me/beeboy are mafia, why aren't you guys coming forward with that reasoning?

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drusilla you should hear me out more. In the pt

This happened and then your read seemingly changed, they didn't say anything at all about us?

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If your reasoning is role based I kinda want it claimed sometime tomorrow?
Dunnstral brought up a theory earlier on Kanna which is why I pushed for both to claim when i originally only cared if one did.

You claim a negative result on someone, you get your partner to push it.
You then shoot your partner so they can't out you.

Which if that is happening I am sorry for you guys.
I also just don't see how you think mine and Dunnstral's dynamic wasn't very much wolfing yesterday and towning now idk.

I said it was extreme tinfoil btw

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Drusilla retracted the claim.

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Drusilla, why are you claiming though

because clover said something about me trying to bait the nightkill instead of kanna in the pt by claiming before he thought oh i just watch kanna, and then i thought, yeah i just watch kanna, but now he is softing in a way that made me felt like kill me roleblock kanna claim my role was a real possibility.

Are you asking who I think the full mafia pair is? Or who I think the impure mafia pairs are?

the full pair. you would be the impure pair from your perspective, yes?

Dis I misinterpret this?

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If you're actually watcher, why would you bait the nightkill instead of watching the nightkill..?

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I ended up saying that in response to Clvoer a while back

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What are scum going to do? Roleblock drusilla and kill Kanna?

Do you think mafia don't have a roleblocker based on: Cop, watcher, backup, bodyguard

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Honestly in regard to Dunnstral flipping his play day 2 not being town indicative because "that's what scum want to do".

I feel like you just said my expectations out of town don't work because scum want to play like town. Idk I feel like my point still stands?

does my play seem the same to you today as it did yesterday?

I wasn't reading your posts yesterday

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Tone change from yesterday to now is not AI

Disagree

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That should tell you something.

What should it tell us? That we're both scum, together?

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Drusilla, why are you claiming though

because clover said something about me trying to bait the nightkill instead of kanna in the pt by claiming before he thought oh i just watch kanna, and then i thought, yeah i just watch kanna, but now he is softing in a way that made me felt like kill me roleblock kanna claim my role was a real possibility.

Are you asking who I think the full mafia pair is? Or who I think the impure mafia pairs are?

the full pair. you would be the impure pair from your perspective, yes?

Note: Mafia tried to hammer themself, ending the day early

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If I was really scum I wouldn't be able to do that because there's a 3 person scumteam and I would have to fake pushes. I cannot do that as scum.

What's the difference between a 3 person scumteam and a 2 person scumteam in this situation?

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If I was really scum I wouldn't be able to do that because there's a 3 person scumteam and I would have to fake pushes. I cannot do that as scum.

What's the difference between a 3 person scumteam and a 2 person scumteam in this situation?

Are you trying to say there's only 2 scum and I'm it with Nahdia? :neutral:

I'm trying to say what's the difference between you thinking you're a wolf with drusilla, and you thinking you're mafia with nahdia and 1 other person

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Note: Mafia tried to hammer themself, ending the day early

do you think it is most likely nahdia/tuxedo mask/clover ebi?

Yes that is where I am currently leaning. I'm not certain on Tux being scum or mafia being informed of things like I saw in a recent game

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I find it strange that starbuck and Lilith are supposedly paired together. My theory is that tuxedo is town and that the two other mafia are pretending to be paired with each other.

thank you midwaybear, very cool.

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If I was really scum I wouldn't be able to do that because there's a 3 person scumteam and I would have to fake pushes. I cannot do that as scum.

What's the difference between a 3 person scumteam and a 2 person scumteam in this situation?

Are you trying to say there's only 2 scum and I'm it with Nahdia? :neutral:

I'm trying to say what's the difference between you thinking you're a wolf with drusilla, and you thinking you're mafia with nahdia and 1 other person

Because I thought it was multiball so I was able to genuinely scumhunt

I wouldn't be able to do that if I was mafia because we'd have a three person scum team.

OK.

I see what you're saying now. You're saying you were genuinely scumhunting because you thought there was another team.

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Why does it rule out Raven?

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drusilla - clover ebi
nahdia - tuxedo mask
morning tweet - kanna
dunnstral - beeboy
skitter - raven branwen
midwaybear

yes?

for reference, OK

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Starbuck was town though

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Oh I see what you're saying midway.

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Starbuck was town though

I meant like sharing private communcation.
Do all your pt tell you that the other person is aligned with you?

It says factional pt

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Hm then maybe for some people it would not say that. This must be true because I am town, so there must be at least one pt that is not “factional”.

I doubt it's set up like that, what kind of a game would that be

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You think 4 scum? 'Cause 2 doesn't seem like enough scum to me

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4 seems crazy to me, I think there's 3

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I'm waiting for this post about Drusilla that you haven't showed me yet.

What are you referring to here?

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Don't think I'm unaware of the fact that I gave Drusilla a very clear way to clear both of us and she got rid of it just as soon as I presented it. I'm not stupid

What do you mean? They still have to kill the cop or the watcher claim, so they would die or they have to fake something

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How do we know there’s a role blocker?

Based off of there being both a bodyguard and a watcher dead, I'd say it's very likely, along with the full alignment cop

Think: what happens if bodyguard and watcher target each other every night, and then what happens if they're both on the alignment cop

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Nahdia is caught scum.... probably shouldn't pay attention to what they're doing and play with a clean slate

[Dunnstral]

Wait... drusilla is shiki?

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EVERYONE. I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. I AM A WW FACTIONAL COP. NAHDIA IS ALIGNED WITH THE MAFIA. VOTE: Nahdia

:o

I was right on you, you were my strongest tr with good reason, so Skitter was right then? I really was pocketed. :(

VOTE: Nahdia

Add this post to the above

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p.s.: You're not a mason