Silent Star 1: Lunacy

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first. VOTE: tux. Gambler's fallacy

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So you're sheeping scum?

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My vote is probably misplaced on you, I feel like you're always getting wagoned early.

VOTE: skitter30

A little too cheery for me

Wow already nervously backing off a wagon? Vote me, coward! Or I'll call you scum

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VOTE: dunn

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mmm i dont like anything we are seeing from dunn

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Skitter kinda said it. But on second thought, this kind of shitpush is unlikely to come from scum? Youre being very silly tho dunn so ill leave my vote there for now.

To clarify: your push on skitter is silly. Trying to ate me into sheeping you is scummy. Your doubling down on the wagon is scummy. But if youre scum its actually quite a bad play, so it most likely comes from town. Ill be keeping a steady eye on you.

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I don’t think “it would be a bad play” is a good reason to say someone isn’t scum. Scum don’t always play optimally.

which is why my vote is still there. do we wanna talk about your naked vote or how you're playing both sides here?

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because being snarky is more fun.

[boringmode]why did you vote dunn over me lilith? what exactly makes you suspicious of me? why do are you both sheeping me and shading me, and how do you justify playing both sides of this page 2 shitfight?[/boringmode]

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i dunno. anti-town play most often comes from town. but i suppose dunns play wasnt really anti-town. i just see that sort of bad push coming more often from overzealous town trying to get day 1 moving than from scum pushing a mislynch. if dunn is scum then im tempted to say skitter is also scum and this was a distancing play.

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i dunno. anti-town play most often comes from town. but i suppose dunns play wasnt really anti-town. i just see that sort of bad push coming more often from overzealous town trying to get day 1 moving than from scum pushing a mislynch. if dunn is scum then im tempted to say skitter is also scum and this was a distancing play.

But why are you still voting him then?

I see your logic and even if I don’t agree with it, I can understand it - but keeping your vote on him after you’ve put forth this logic makes 0 sense

where should i move my vote? even if i think the play more likely comes from town than scum, its pressure-worthy and i dont particularly like the skitter wagon. i could vote you i guess, but i feeling you out a bit first.

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hi beeboy. come on in, the waters fine

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I'll be honest I don't like reading into 1v1s themselves I've always found that to be kind of garbage but things surrounding 1v1s like the post above tend to be very alignment indicative. Scum tend to not be concerned about players outside said 1v1.

My thought on Lilith goes together with her push on Dunnstral being relatively acceptable as well

how do you weigh that against lilith kinda playing both sides in the 1v1. like i agree with your reasoning, but im still getting pings from lilith stirring stuff up on both sides of the fight.

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hi Kanna hi Tux hi beeboy and hi midway!

VOTE: votato

and hey there votato (^ω^)♡

hi! welcome! nice vote!

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i think skitter is town and lilith is prolly townish, but i think for lilith ill wait until later to sort her. i get solid townpings from votato. perhaps my strongest townread. something is off for sure about dunnstral. the logical conclusion is that dunn is scum.

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@clover I’ve explained my dunn vote elsewhere, yes it’s serious. I think I’ve since developed a further stance on votato and why I don’t like him. re:skitter I’m not saying it’s AI, I haven’t seen her be excited like this as town or scum. Not a reason to scumread her afaik

not liking me doesnt make me scum!

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Am I the only one who is getting like, no scum pings from Dunnstral/Skitter/Lilith/Votato? I got townie pings from the first 3 and nothing from Votato. Just me? Okay.

no mate not just you

I like Dunn and Lilith but i'm undecided on the other two. I know that skitts is a great scum player (and i'm 0-1 against her) so im predicting ill gonna have a rough time reading her

votato however is my lovely unicorn friend so i feel more confident about him. i know all of his dirty secrets!

we dont need to go talking about my horn. also i dont think either of us has ever been scum in a game together yet right? (N=2 is perhaps insufficient data). but you wouldnt be scum around me would you morning?

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VOTE: clover im ok with this

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how do you weigh that against lilith kinda playing both sides in the 1v1. like i agree with your reasoning, but im still getting pings from lilith stirring stuff up on both sides of the fight.

I bet votato is mad that beeboy townreads lilith and he's trying to get him not to.

beeboy can be town for now(not really sure why)

not sure what youre playing at with the stuff @me there. that beeboy read (non-read?) is quite bad.

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and is that really your only take away from what has been an eventful 7 pages?

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@Votato are you having fun this game?

so far, but it isnt AI. this seems to be a fun group and its been fun pushes. i like this style of game.

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im getting weird vibes

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talk to me about nahdia? i have a hard null read there.

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I'm not the only one getting funky vibe from tux am i? You feel a little bit different here tux. I haven't seen you analyze the minutiae of peoples posts to this extent before

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VOTE: votato

I don't like his stances on me which seemed to shift opportunistically + I don't like his latest vote on Clover. Sorry to ruin your fun.

what about my stance on you shifted opportunistically?

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oh and votato seems to scumread every up and coming wagon which feels wrong to me

Do i though? I don't think there's an up and coming wagon on tux for example. Conversely, i haven't stated a scum read on nahdia

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When you scumread me early and then townread me but kept your vote on me, and then later when pressure stayed on me you said 'the logical conclusion is that Dunn is scum' or something to that effect

i think i concluded that you were likely town?

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My eyes are drawn to my name like a moth is drawn to a flame which provokes a primal rage that makes me not read the surrounding posts. Why are you talking about yourself like that in that post?

It's almost like that post was meant for somebody else to post...

You're being silly. I pretty frequently include myself in early game read lists and say i townread myself

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as for the part of my realist directed at you I'm not sure what i meant tbh. You're in my townpile, and i think you were at that point too

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i think the logical conclusion was that dunn was scum but the logic was wrong? I think i posted that before going into a meeting yesterday and may have hit submit prematurely. It doesn't make sense

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I'm not the only one getting funky vibe from tux am i? You feel a little bit different here tux. I haven't seen you analyze the minutiae of peoples posts to this extent before

Seeing all the votes I've collected the answer would be pretty obviously no. Morning Tweet has also expressed having a different feeling.

As I said playing with you before is that I call things as I see them. Maybe it was a leap but as I was reading the thread it was what came to mind looking at Beeboy's posts. Based on feedback I've been getting lately I might just be in a slump of being very bad in this game.

What is it about this player list and style of game that you find so enjoyable?

The people are fun and play similarly to me. A few people were in the last few games too. The game is active and it only semi feels like day 1. It's lighthearted and people scum read me. I enjoy all of that.

Also how should i have responded to your question about enjoying the game? Had i not said it was nai you'd think i was scum for enjoying the game. Since i said it you think im scum for pointing it out. That's conf bias

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a few things have me in a less playful mood the last few days. Sorry. You know i appreciate your universal scum read of me. But actually your last few posts make me think you're town. If you want we could try going back to the good old days of townblocking. I'm gonna town read you at any rate

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clover did the thing where he assumed people were town. he's commented on other people's gamesolving, but hasnt actually done any himself. he also sheeped onto your wagon pretty opportunistically. overall theres nothing townie about the slot but a few things that strike me as off. he said he wants to "explore you" a bit more, but hasnt done anything to explore you or prod you or anything. hes just kinda floating by.

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and i remember back in our first games together before lovers mafia we townbloc'd. or maybe it was just on my end.

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in any case for a few games since lovers mafia ive felt that you were really skeptical of me and i scumread you for your weird attitude. now im not sure if im getting used to it or what, but im not getting the same vibe from you. and i dont think its because youre scum

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@Votato my thing is for someone that enjoys this style of game I feel like you aren't engaging in any of the "battles" that are going on. I don't think there is anything wrong with being a more passive player or taking a passive approach to the game it just seems odd earlier you hyped yourself up for it.

thats interesting. someone else called me out for scumreading all the wagons. i feel like ive been pretty active.

pedit: a townread on kanna? i feel like kanna hasnt done anything yet. explain that?

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I don't really get votato's read on tux. It seems to me like he is calling him out for not playing like town tux, but also not willing to call him scum.

there were some posts that didnt seem like town!tux. but recently it has been town!tux. at first i was getting scumpings, but the read turned around and im pretty confident in saying that tux is town atm.

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I don't really get votato's read on tux. It seems to me like he is calling him out for not playing like town tux, but also not willing to call him scum.

I'm telling him to take a stronger stance in the PT, but he doesn't want to bus.

i never bus. you know that. you shouldnt even have suggested it.

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seems legit
but why votato? gut?

well tell me what you make of tuxedo's recent posts. to me theres clear scumhuning, with a genuine attempt to sort me. thats part of why i like being scumread. its pretty easy to analyze how people interact with you, especially if theyre suspicious of you.

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Also I feel like you are just lacking a certain level of aggro compared to the rest of the playerlist. If this is the style of game you like I think your reasoning and pushes should be more like leading the charge yourself I guess? I am not basing this on meta and more just your comment on the game relative to how your playing. Like to put it the best I can I think your adding on to what is going on / analyzing the field. While i feel like you implied you like the more leadership approach people are taking to the game.


I am not voting you because I am not sure I have enough yet but that is what is going through my head.

i dont feel any particular need to townlead ever. i generally dislike townleader type people. right now ive sorted a few people as town, but i dont my scumreads are like page 10 level scumreads. as the game progresses ill get more aggro im sure.

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clover did the thing where he assumed people were town. he's commented on other people's gamesolving, but hasnt actually done any himself. he also sheeped onto your wagon pretty opportunistically. overall theres nothing townie about the slot but a few things that strike me as off. he said he wants to "explore you" a bit more, but hasnt done anything to explore you or prod you or anything. hes just kinda floating by.

I know I've already asked this but I will again: What's wrong with assuming people are town? Let's just ignore the fact that is my playstyle and let me just ask what the issue with that is. Yes, I am assuming people I am townreading are town. Also I feel like I've been game solving plenty! Maybe not as fast paced but it would be a lie to say I'm not trying to solve

sorry i missed this post. i think assuming people are town kinda leads to complacency and insufficient critical examination. if thats your playstyle then ??? but ive never seen it before and feel that its more likely a scumslip. thinking the people you townread are town is one thing, but you seemed overly confident in it. also, i think thats the weakest part of my case, and i wasnt the person who originally brought it up. can you point to a post you made that was you evaluating something someone said directly, rather than what you said about a second person's post about a third person?

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nahdia is still pretty null to me. not enough content yet. midway is gonna need a lot more content to be sorted. i think midway!scum should wind up being pretty obvious. the problem is town!midway looks a lot like scum, so im gonna withhold judgement there until later.

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for example, see midways above post. he agrees with my thinking, but the part of his post where he does his own evaluation is based on a post that i hardly see as AI, and is to me far less AI than other posts tux made. id scumread most people for that sort of post. but with midway, ??

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i think we only have one completed game prior to this (animals) and i was scum and got bussed pretty early. so i dont have that much to go on meta-wise, both because i died early and because i was scum. i also dont think we interacted much in animals. is there another game im forgetting? if assuming people are town is a playstyle thing thats fine i guess. but what about the other things i said?

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tux is town. lilith is town? kanna is a bit townie based on first impression. but again, need a lot more content. morning is townish, but need a bit more. im less confident in morning being town than most games. could be the gamblers fallacy making me skeptical, or maybe its something else. but town for now. skitter gives me townvibes, but need to see more content. beeboy gives early townvibes? but has been strange. its page 13, so thats about all youre gonna get. that leaves a PoE of
{clover, midway, nahdia, raven, drusilla}. midway im not willing to lynch at this stage, but mostly because hes LHF and will probably be obvscum later on if scum. im happy leaving my vote on clover pending content from the other slots.

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Link to VC on this page.

it was too me? haha what does that mean?

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its also pretty easy for scum to fake and say "i have no scumreads! but dont expect me to, cuz i dont like it!"

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tux is town. lilith is town? kanna is a bit townie based on first impression. but again, need a lot more content. morning is townish, but need a bit more. im less confident in morning being town than most games. could be the gamblers fallacy making me skeptical, or maybe its something else. but town for now. skitter gives me townvibes, but need to see more content. beeboy gives early townvibes? but has been strange. its page 13, so thats about all youre gonna get. that leaves a PoE of
{clover, midway, nahdia, raven, drusilla}. midway im not willing to lynch at this stage, but mostly because hes LHF and will probably be obvscum later on if scum. im happy leaving my vote on clover pending content from the other slots.

Three of your possible PoE could also be argued as LHF, two of which haven’t posted much content. Why is your focus more on posters with less content than more active posters?

This is pinging me a bit. It reads like, if I can’t push Clover, i’ll shift my focus to the lower content posters, which in general is something scum tends to do more than town.

except i didnt say i scumread them. theyre in my PoE, as in im convinced most people are town. clover is my strong scumread, the others in my PoE are just that - not yet sorted.

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Spoiler:

Dunnstral has heard the stories about votato. He has been the source of great debate for many scholars and academics, who have dedicated their lives to researching whether he's a donkey or a donkey-unicorn. No one has discovered the truth yet, and he is currently classified as a unikey, or sometimes referred to as a donkorn. Dunnstral thinks something so rare would make a fantastic gift to the well.

one thing was for certain. votato sure was gorgeous. too gorgeous to be killed, they all thought.

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yes morning, i would be honored to form our usual townbloc. tux is invited too.

drusilla what are your reads?

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Tux and Votato are the closest to people I would vote/have voted and since Votato doesn't bus I was curious how they'd react to each other. Don't really know if I got the results I wanted though this game is super odd.

I'm gonna go lay down because I'm starting to talk myself into scumreading slots because the fact I don't have any strong ones yet is weirding me out/bothering me so much when really the game just started and it shouldn't be that big a deal.

Ooh I like these. Sounds a lot like how i feel in some games. I could see people interpreting this as scummy, but i find that it's really difficult to get decent scumreads D1 as town. maybe more than scum

tux is town. lilith is town? kanna is a bit townie based on first impression. but again, need a lot more content. morning is townish, but need a bit more. im less confident in morning being town than most games. could be the gamblers fallacy making me skeptical, or maybe its something else. but town for now. skitter gives me townvibes, but need to see more content. beeboy gives early townvibes? but has been strange. its page 13, so thats about all youre gonna get. that leaves a PoE of
{clover, midway, nahdia, raven, drusilla}. midway im not willing to lynch at this stage, but mostly because hes LHF and will probably be obvscum later on if scum. im happy leaving my vote on clover pending content from the other slots.

Hm i mostly agree with this. It feels like a lot of players this game have similar reads, with maybe Clover and votato being the most controversial ? Both are some of my more liked townreads

Leantown on Tux. Votato, Dunn, and Clover i'm inclined to think are town as well. I have lilith there too but i forget exactly why.

Skitts gave me townvibes in our previous game enough to hold me off of her wagon when it really should've been obvious :X She has a handicap where i set her a bit down in my reads on purpose cause i think regardless of alignment she's going to trick me at least once or twice

Beeboy I mostly recall fluffposting as well as engaging with Tuxes scumread which i agree wasn't well founded, however, i think it's not inherently towny to think that since it felt pretty clear. Oh I do lightly like 296 though since he's fair to both Tux and Nahdia

i don't know anything about midway's scumgame but i am a bit wary of lynching them early as well based off my previous game with him

yep i feel the same way, although i come down on the other side wrt clover.

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guys I have basically no reads
this is not good

welcome to being midwaybear.

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Link to VC on this page.

it was too me? haha what does that mean?

Ok so start off with a classic beeboy town read.
Then the Lilith town read is another good one.

Spice it up with some Kanna and MT bam you already have 4

im not sure what this post means

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its just more flavor. something something lunacy

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hi

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Votato is pinging me but I am sucker for AtE and he said he was apathetic due to being scum read (in particular by tux tbf) so I wanted to give him a bit of space before I just doubled down. I was the mod of the lovers game and.read his frustration in kill switch by being a player. So maybe it's just real emotion he would feel as town?

So you could reasonably be scum right now this could just be a general thought he has and he could just be bound to roll scum eventually. I also feel he is doing what he is accusing you of which the basis of my pings on him...
Hmm idk I'll get back to you in the morning I am not ready to choose now but those are my thoughts

actually im generally more apathetic as town. i get excited by being scumread. but i have some apathy bleeding in from outside this particular game. did you think i was apathetic in lovers?

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ive played with lilith on two occasions. she was scum both times. she felt slimy both times. i havent seen liliths towngame to compare. i guess i could believe that the sliminess is scum!lilith rather than playing.mafia!lilith

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i mean i never said my clover scumread was that strong. but its still the strongest scumread i have? i mean clover has a point, but i dont think clover's scumread on me is any better. i think everyone is kinda waiting for scum to appear and reveal themselves, which for some reason they dont seem to want to do.

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I think votato is town now. There was some early game stuff I didn't really like(like the aggro attitude towards lilith), but there's a lot of townie stuff too. I still don't really get his clover read, but he's been asking a lot of questions and his thoughts don't feel faked so town.

now you think im town? you were just shading me. like 10 minutes ago

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im super skeptical of lilith, but at the same time pushing tux at this point feels really out there to do as scum?

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and is that really your only take away from what has been an eventful 7 pages?

did you ever explain what exactly I said that was "stirring up both sides" of the Dunn wagon?

shading people defending dunn as well as people attacking dunn. you were fence-sitting and playing both sides.

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if lilith is scum here suddenly the game makes a lot more sense.

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and is that really your only take away from what has been an eventful 7 pages?

did you ever explain what exactly I said that was "stirring up both sides" of the Dunn wagon?

shading people defending dunn as well as people attacking dunn. you were fence-sitting and playing both sides.

How was I fencesitting? I clearly said I was scumreading both of you. Who did I shade that was defending dunn and who did I shade that was attacking him?

by scumreading both of us you were able to play both sides and fence-sit. you scumread both of us. thats playing both sides. you shaded me and dunn, for instance.

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Can someone actually define what fencesitting entails, because I can't find it on the wiki and I feel like I might not actually know what it means

sitting on the fence, not picking a side. it lets you see which way the wind is blowing, to mix metaphors.

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and is that really your only take away from what has been an eventful 7 pages?

did you ever explain what exactly I said that was "stirring up both sides" of the Dunn wagon?

shading people defending dunn as well as people attacking dunn. you were fence-sitting and playing both sides.

How was I fencesitting? I clearly said I was scumreading both of you. Who did I shade that was defending dunn and who did I shade that was attacking him?

by scumreading both of us you were able to play both sides and fence-sit. you scumread both of us. thats playing both sides. you shaded me and dunn, for instance.

Do you think my reasons to scumread both of you were invalid? I didn't think you were scummy until you jumped off the dunn wagon, so I don't really get what you mean by "both sides." By the time I said I would vote you, you were already defending dunn.

yeah i think they were. dunn seems pretty town, and im town. throwing that much shade at people i townread generally means either my reads are awful or you're scum. dunning-kruger says youre scum

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and is that really your only take away from what has been an eventful 7 pages?

did you ever explain what exactly I said that was "stirring up both sides" of the Dunn wagon?

shading people defending dunn as well as people attacking dunn. you were fence-sitting and playing both sides.

How was I fencesitting? I clearly said I was scumreading both of you. Who did I shade that was defending dunn and who did I shade that was attacking him?

by scumreading both of us you were able to play both sides and fence-sit. you scumread both of us. thats playing both sides. you shaded me and dunn, for instance.

Do you think my reasons to scumread both of you were invalid? I didn't think you were scummy until you jumped off the dunn wagon, so I don't really get what you mean by "both sides." By the time I said I would vote you, you were already defending dunn.

yeah i think they were. dunn seems pretty town, and im town. throwing that much shade at people i townread generally means either my reads are awful or you're scum. dunning-kruger says youre scum

..... I don't think that means what you think it means

i said what i said

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in any case, im not gonna push you rn lilith. i think i have a very reliable way of sorting you. ill do so later.

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for example, see midways above post. he agrees with my thinking, but the part of his post where he does his own evaluation is based on a post that i hardly see as AI, and is to me far less AI than other posts tux made. id scumread most people for that sort of post. but with midway, ??

Wow I might actually be townleaning votato????

ok, lilith must be scum if shes townreading me.

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are you scumreading me seriously or is this just a shitpush

im not really scumreading you. im not sure what to make of you, i cant decide whether you should be in my PoE or not. your recent posts suggest town. but ive been fooled by your posting before. so again, im not trying to really push you here. ill sort you later.

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oh my last couple posts were a shitpost.

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although i would appreciate it if you at least pretend to scumread me, itll make me feel a bit better about myself.

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Is paranoia the only thing stopping you from townreading Lilith Votato? Because if that's the case you should probably have her as town. At least for day 1. (Even though I think she's obvious)

i do have her as town for day 1.

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but im also very paranoid. so i keep waffling

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I was even using it as my frame of reference for Votato’s push on me. Although that might be a bit unfair

Can you elaborate on what this means? Was the votato in that situation scum or town?

there is only one votato!

although i would appreciate it if you at least pretend to scumread me, itll make me feel a bit better about myself.

Okay scum

yessssssss

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I think im with lilith here. Nahdia hasn't been great. But i don't get strong scum vibes yet. They just haven't done anything. Raven feels scummier. Raven could you provide an annotated realist please?

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Sorry i agree with you that raven is a better wagon

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VOTE: raven
Yes, yes i do

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i think it's probably scum indicative that nahdia isn't taking a firm stance on anything.

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If you could take one firm stance on someone and justify it, we would have an easier time sorting you

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clover what are your thoughts about nahdia and raven?

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i still feel like ive been very aggressive compared to my normal page 20 self.
midway, please provide your reads.

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not only does each post not seem to be coherent, but the overall pattern of posting is not much better. things are being said, but those things dont really say anything.

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lilith, beeboy, votato, mt are probably town
kanna seems legit
nahdia, skitter, clover, tux have a good amount of posts but I may have not been paying attention
idk about drusilla and raven
dunnstral is probably scum

did i already ask you how your read on me progressed? because i remember you scumreading me. im pretty sure i asked, but did you answer?
also saying: "nahdia, skitter, clover, tux have a good amount of posts but I may have not been paying attention" is not a read. that says nothing about whether you think theyre scum or not.

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midway do you see why just throwing random shade at people and not following up on it at all doesnt really help? like yeah go you for noticing things, but if you've only ever said scum things about me, and overall townread me, it doesnt make sense.

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heh i know the official townbloc is me tux and morning (maybe kanna) but its true that really im doing more to work in concert with lilith here. i think lilith, you get to be in the townbloc.

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You'd actually be surprised at the list of people I have as 'Town' being Dunnstral/Skitter/Lilith/Beeboy. I understand what you're saying though, I've been trying to look for scummy things to some extent and it gave me a headache how much I just couldn't get it. Like I could probably vote

counts

about six players and I wouldn't be terribly upset at it but I don't have reason to not vote them either.

I think my biggest problem is I'm trying to take a lot of things in good faith/being lenient.

ok, gun to head, pick three people for scum.

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Like, the cloest to scumreads I have that I can give you reasons for is Tux/Votato
I read Raven and Kanna iso again. They're not really towny and I could vote that but if you told me they'd flip town I'd believe you. So I'm mostly trying to just find townreads and make a poe because I cannot find any strong scumreads right now. Do you think I should be doing something else?
pedit: Oh no. Um. You/Kanna/...Mid?

why not tux? at the start of the post you suggested a scumread on tux. could you elaborate on kanna? and as for midway, why scum rather than noob town?

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and you just suggested that you were most hesitant to scumread midway, yet now you're voting midway above me/tux?/kanna.

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@mod i'm going to be VLA till Sunday

NOOOOO