Mini Theme 2412: Gacha Mafia

[Hoctac]

I showed up at deadline and voted for the mafia to be lynched, and day 1 I talked about mechanics and voted based on a plan

I don't think either of these reasons make you town. The first is something everyone but Pigman did. If you lurked out deadline without voting for Ele and Ele flipped scum (with Titus and shiki's votes who had both indicated they would be around for deadline iirc) you would be completely screwed. That's not an option for scum!you.

Why is the second town-indicative? Voting based on a plan is NAI.

[Hoctac]

Lately it feels like if I'm not driving the game nobody does anything

Imperial decree says lynch Titus because she looks scummy

VOTE: Titus

How did you miss the discussion on Pigman's fake DoctorPepper slip the page and a half before this to make this post? You're complaining about "no one doing anything" but the fact you're claiming now that you didn't even realise Pigman made that slip despite the fact we spent some time discussing it means you weren't reading very closely there at all, and this isn't a genuine complaint to make.

[Hoctac]

The first is something everyone but Pigman did.

Not true. Shiki only showed up after a hammer had already been achieved. Sure, she said she was here-ish

The point is she said earlier that she would be here-ish which tells scum!you that a lynch can probably be achieved without your help.

Pedit: How? I set two nicknames for DoctorPepper that started with "Doctor". How does Pigman asking about "DoctorPepper" have anything to do with those nicknames?

[Hoctac]

and isis said 'yes' would she then be committed to that regardless? or if dunnstral made post 263 and elements made post 287 with the intention of misrepresenting their view of what the abilities did after having discussed the nk cheat sheet would isis be committed to it working how it did in the nk cheat sheet?

I don't think they planned it from the start. I think they really misinterpreted it - at least at the beginning. it doesn't make any sense for two mafia to intentionally misinterpret the same thing, especially since it links them.

[Hoctac]

Let's see, I don't scumread pig, I'm not into the clidd wagon and get that Elena wants to talk to them.

Not sure we should lynch our bodyguard here, either - it's a useful role if town, more useful than one might expect because it can change the bonus town gets. My read on Elements himself is null.... he hasn't really done anything

213 is a suspicious post, IMO. That reminds me, why was your reason for not wanting Pigman to have the bodyguard?

Dunnstrals excuse for not voting Elements is noteworthy if Elements flips scum.

hmM

[Hoctac]

Titus was scumreading George over Elements. If I voted for George, we would have lynched George.

Since when has 2=4, Dunny?

shiki, George, and I were for Ele. We'd just need Titus to compromise (which of course she would over a no-lynch) or Pigman to show up at any point.

[Hoctac]

Oh, Ele was voting George as well I guess. The question is if you think you could get anyone from the Ele wagon to switch. Hmm

[Hoctac]

What a magnificent post. Still, what does that have anything to do with Pigman talking about "DoctorPepper"? I don't get it.

[Hoctac]

Hi, I don't want to lynch Pigman, Shiki, or GeorgeBailey

You made this post back start of day when Ele has no votes though. You'd look real bad if you voted George suddenly with no progression.

[Hoctac]

VOTE: shiki

This was a 3rd vote on shiki right after Pepper shaded and pushed her. He had no way of knowing whether Elena would agree or disagree and unvote her right after this so it's risky.

[Hoctac]

2. Lynching will also be compulsive but that's an "Isis is modding so town suffers" thing, not specific to this setup, I use mafia lynch not plurality lynch.

You may need to self vote George.

You guys understand why this is not a scummy post, right?

I mean, sure. I'd argue the fact that George self-voting means he's town anyway, and honestly, he was by far the best nightkill for scum anyway, but it's not that important.

[Hoctac]

You'd look real bad if you voted George suddenly with no progression.

I had no progression on Elements; false dilemna

You stated a townread on George start of day. You didn't on Elements.

Anyway, this doesn't really help me. Let's move on from you defending yourself. I want you to say who you think is scum of us two and why. Look through the game and find reasons.

[Hoctac]

shiki, how have these recent interactions affected your read on the two of us?

[Hoctac]

Well played, shiki and Ele. Glad I could be a part of the team at the end and with my friends as a duelmonster.

I had a Isis read on 669 being a genuine reaction to first noticing there was an error in the OP, which would mean scum!Dunny wouldn't have brought it up in the PT, but it felt very icky to go down that route so I tried to void it from my mind as best I could.

Also, I totally thought you would be the most likely person here to think of that loophole, shiki. There were many more reasons for me to be suspicious of Dunny though so it wasn't enough.

[Hoctac]

This is undoubtedly the worst I've ever moderated, and I'm sorry for everyone who participated in the game. Poor curation of the setup information led to a situation where absolutely everyone was disappointed, and the actual setup played was mountainous-but-sometimes-you-can't-kill-who-you-want, which I could run without losing sleep but I would want to run intentionally, and is very understandably not a town power level anyone queued for.

In addition to making errors themselves, I think I practiced too much restraint with respect to midgame adjustments to make the game match the original projected setup promised from the start. I do still believe in restraint and minimal intervention but I think I took it too far in a few different ways.


Regarding the setup itself, if I average the routes people thought they were playing too -oof- I was happy with the calibration. I think the Day 1 dayplay showed that not starting on a day 1 lynch was a design flaw for this setup though. Many special mechanics kick off with a day 1 lynch. Some special mechanics seem to get along fine without a day 1 lynch - like FakeGod's dance games. I think this needs a day 1 lynch. I'm thinking the day 1 lynch victim could give and identity to another player, and then that player could give one to another, popcorn style, to conclude day 1. Tentatively. Or maybe it'd just be a day two activity.

This game was somewhat indulgent using a flavor I'm familiar with that others aren't. I tried to reference more generically relatable elements of the source material when I could. I'm going to try not to mod obscure source material all the time. If I don't powerquit modding.

I appreciate the replacements and everyone who kept their activity level healthy.

It was unfortunate but the flavour made up for it for me. Don't quit modding please! Undertale was modded flawlessly so you should write this off as anomaly. Looking forward to the innocent younglings' return if/when you do decide to go for it.