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[midwaybear]

TBH, I don’t think reading these two games would really help. The main points is that I was a lot more obnoxious as town, and a lot more safe as scum.
Take that as you will.

[midwaybear]

You’ve been pretty death tunnely this game ngl
Also, that’s why I said those two games won’t really help.

[midwaybear]

If anyone else feels like skimming his iso in those two games just to make sure I'm not tunneling and seeing what I want to see that would be great

The only thing I said that remotely resemble what I said there is my read about ABR. You're tunneling.

[midwaybear]

hmph TSE isn't going to save me because he thinks me flipping town is going to make you all magically sheep him(IT'S NOT)

[midwaybear]

tbh, I'll give the chain to you over Dunnstral

[midwaybear]

Deny Team

I am 70% sure it is going to fail tonight without tampering.

[midwaybear]

hmph NDMath blatantly passing the chain to his scumbuddy Dunnstral. Dunnstral has been doing the laziest scumhunting this game. The last thing I remember that he did was call out Titus for not being aware of SirCakez's death. The only reason you all are townreading him is because of tone
SMH
Also,

He’s passing it to Dunnstral
If not, he’s giving it to Pink Ball
Mark my words

should have listened to me

[midwaybear]

S

pringlullaby

[midwaybear]

Can we leave midway for bottom 2?

stop tunneling. I already responded to your argument about my "wishy washy" reads.
Titus, I would've passed the chain to you over Dunn, but then NDMath decided to openwolf. I'm still don't think Spring is scum.

[midwaybear]

my poe is {math, dunn, farside, starbuck, you, raya}
ig there's a chance it's spring, but look in there.

[midwaybear]

TSE, I'm sorta fed up with you being so complacent

[midwaybear]

you can stop being complacent

[midwaybear]

dunnstral obviously

[midwaybear]

I can get behind Starbuck as scum tbh
her reason for passing the chain to NDMath was sorta BS just like Dunnstral D1

[midwaybear]

So fypov we're fucked and town's getting lynched?

yes

[midwaybear]

the issue is that we probably lynch town until the day we are confident in who scum are. We were divided today, so we are going to end up lynching town again. This shouldn't be a problem tomorrow. Just don't give it to NDMath or Dunnstral

[midwaybear]

So, TSE, midway, I want to achieve a Pink Ball/Titus bottom two. Are you up to it

me-tse-pinkball-titus
a titus green flip clear me and tse
red flip is good overall

[midwaybear]

many have expressed a scum read in mid.

iirc you never explained why you SR me. Also, ND admitted he scumread me because he didn't read my posts as townie which is questionable. Pink Ball never gave his reasons, and I refuted all of Raya's.

[midwaybear]

Also, ND admitted he scumread me because he didn't read my posts as townie which is questionable.

Why is that questionable?

is that really a valid reason to scumread someone?
I think you should if you think their actions are scummy not if they aren't townie. There's a difference between scummy and anti-town.

[midwaybear]

You’re awesome

[midwaybear]

Obviously I want midway lynched

[midwaybear]

Too bad so sad. Titus is the only one left in my POE, so she must go
VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

[midwaybear]

Thanks Captain Obvious.
If Titus flips town, the quiz is definitely failing tonight

[midwaybear]

TSE, pass the chain to Pink Ball. We need a Titus flip not a pink ball flip.

[midwaybear]

Titus town should clear me and TSE
ABR and TSE were playing very similarly

[midwaybear]

did Titus ever claim? Well she's probably VT since she didn't

[midwaybear]

It's ok I just got cleared

[midwaybear]

Last episode our team did a very impressive job of getting my expectations even lower than I thought possible. What could go wrong now?

oof we are getting roasted by the mod. Very surprised the quiz passed, and also a little selfishly glad that I had Raya down as town. This mechanic seems very useful even though I anticipate I will be put in the group of 3 . Top of my head, I would like Dunn and ND in that group, but I'm not sure who the third person should be.
I am also glad farside is the leader. I don't think we should pass the chain at all until we have a complete plan because that led to our doom in lynching town D1, D2.

[midwaybear]

well I am lol. Happy Birthday btw
What went on during the thread, and why was farside ultimately selected to be our leader(not that I'm complaining).
Also, wondering what a sabotage checker is.

[midwaybear]

so you want Dunn and spring? My gut townlean still holds on her because I feel like she has been fighting uphill the whole game(sorta like me).
I wish for Dunn, ND, and I am willing to put myself in there to test my theory that they're both scum. However, if they are that sorta incriminates you(Starbuck) on the virtue of that chain pass to ND. Also, I would like for Dunn/ND to be lynched today so that is another thing.

pedit: ND, what do u think Raya's role does?

[midwaybear]

Well I actually was thinking farside town overnight
I still don't get your logic about how Raya was surprised by the quiz failing means that she got a clear? Can you walk me through your thoughts for 2935?

[midwaybear]

Ok. What does post 1727 have to do with that though?
Also, she was reading me as scum not just spring?

[midwaybear]

ok, you also seem townie now, so maybe we can lynch Dunnstral today
@NDMath
@Pink Ball are you referring to Raya? We should also check if she was scumreading farside at all D1 because that makes it more likely for the farside conf town theory.

[midwaybear]

that the quiz passed last night thus giving me, farside, and Unwnd FOR REAL conftown status?

FALSE
scum can pass the quiz

[midwaybear]

We shouldn't vote now because we need to plan our chain movements first. I want Dunnstral lynched, so it doesn't make sense to put him in the group of three. Also, I just realized it is suboptimal for me to endorse any 3-group with me in it, so I will vote against those every time.

[midwaybear]

Why do you want Dunn lynched now?

I have been scumreading him for a majority of D2 because I don't really see any effort to scumhunt or really engage with the thread.
Also, farside do not pass the chain until we have all agreed to some form of plan that outlines who is passing to who and who is getting lynched. I really would like to end the day with a scum lynch, and discussing the exact order seems like a better idea than what we did D1, D2.

[midwaybear]

hurt: spring, ND, midway

we are lynching dunnstral so replace him with ND

[midwaybear]

hurt: spring, dunn, Starbuck

[midwaybear]

why is tse scum? His behavior is very similar to ABR who flipped town.

[midwaybear]

hurt: spring, ND, midway

we are lynching dunnstral so replace him with ND

hurt: spring, dunn, Starbuck

...?

Also good catch.

Dunn I so want you to be town

wth is this? I made a genuine mistake, and you think it is scummy now?
People, think for YOURSELF

[midwaybear]

why is it scummy(the mistake)?
conf bias alert

[midwaybear]

Why isn't?

because it was a mistake and I meant to say ND instead of Dunn?
this is not scumhunting Pink Ball. This is you being conf biased unless you give me a good reason why me making that mistake is scum.

[midwaybear]

Ok

Yeah, you can't explain why
GROUP THINK
YUH

[midwaybear]

that the quiz passed last night thus giving me, farside, and Unwnd FOR REAL conftown status?

FALSE
scum can pass the quiz

No, they wouldn't have given what they would have won.

[midwaybear]

yeah, but you still feel prey to group think because you agreed with dunnstral in the first place.
appreciate you taking me in good faith though

[midwaybear]

What do you think of:
You + Unwnd + NDmath for the quiz group

Openwolving lol. We’re not putting NDMath. Replace him withTSE tbh

[midwaybear]

Also, stop talking about bottom twos. Lets pick someone to lynch and the other person goes in the group of 3

[midwaybear]

I'll 1v1 Dunnstral because I am convinced he has to be scum.
Put me in the group of 3 with Starbuck and NDMath and let me die a hero's death. That blatant buddying between PB and Starbuck was pretty digusting.

[midwaybear]

so how do 1v1s work?

[midwaybear]

If this were a normal game, Midwaybear would have been the day 1 lynch, and if he wasn't, he'd be the day 2 lynch

He definitely wouldn't be here taking potshots on day 3

that's true. The chain mechanic is scumsided which is why I don't think scum really can tamper with the quiz.
Managed to avoid being mislynched for 2 days in a row, lets make it 3 today.

@farside stop talking about the bottom two. Instead, we pick someone to lynch and the other person goes in the 3 group

[midwaybear]

not really
pick who u wanted lynched and then who you want in the group of 3
that's not 2 people, that's four

[midwaybear]

This town is so dumb.

[midwaybear]

this game has gotten pretty crazy. I need to reconsider Dunn+ND now, and while I'm hesitant to believe it, I could change my mind(I am not conf biased like pink Ball).
I don't think unwnd is scum because his posts don't exactly ping scum. He along with you, TSE, seem to be in own worlds sorta ignored.

[midwaybear]

midway you can keep throwing trash at me, you're still scum

fine then when I flip town, are you going to blame yourself or are you going to blame me?

[midwaybear]

I mean we could share the blame if you want to

this is townie i think.
I would expect scum to say "Of course I will blame myself", and Pink Ball did say that. But then he said that we could share the blame, so that's sorta townie.

[midwaybear]

i would choose TSE over spring because some of the things spring has been saying are weird.
like what she said about Raya's role.

[midwaybear]

why does town have so many PRs now...

[midwaybear]

i propose a team with farside, unwnd, and NDMath.
if this passes, we can psuedo confirm Dunn and NDMath. The quiz mechanic is pro town, so I suspect people lying about their claims. I believe NDMath and Dunn should be resolved if they are truthful because scum would want to get rid of conf towns. However, this is a closed setup, so perhaps scum leave them in for the wifom. spring might be scum, but I agree that this has been a terrible town.
Starbuck gets lynched today because her tone sounds super fake and defensive. unwnd also brought up the point that Starbuck instantly thought she was proxied which is a scummy reaction.
Chain order
farside-beeboy-unwnd-nd-dunn-pb-tse-me-spring-starbuck
I just put beeboy second. Everything else makes sense.
The problem is: now that Dunn and ND claimed, my two top scumreads are gone. We definitely don't allow them to be killed, so maybe a group of {beeboy, TSE, spring}? I could be replaced with beeboy, but I would prefer not to.

[midwaybear]

If it helps, y'all put me on that hurt list, but make sure that she's there with me. I'll vote whichever way we need.

like this quote doesn't really make sense. If she thinks spring is scum, that means she is likely fine with being killed? This doesn't really line up with what she's said so far. For example, PB and beeboy both have expressed their desire to die.

Anyways, I could be tunneling, but give me the decision to kill either spring or starbuck because I need to reevaluate both of them.

[midwaybear]

Says the guy who was last
Please do not give to anyone yet. But if you give, do not give it to Starbuck.

[midwaybear]

Farside is always scum with beeboy right, but I don’t think this is likely.
I’m VT by the way

[midwaybear]

i want Starbuck gone too, but I also want to reevaluate

[midwaybear]

Dunn or ND? It really doesn’t matter who tbh. I wanted this: “ farside-beeboy-unwnd-nd-dunn-pb-tse-me-spring-starbuck” in post 3150, but whatever.
I would like to decide between spring and starbuck.

[midwaybear]

That’s a very hard decision for me. And I also suspect starbuck more than TSE.
TSE has been playing anti-town, but he’s been consistent about it in a way I don’t see coming from scum. And this also seems to be his meta.

[midwaybear]

if we mislynch today, tomorrow is lylo

scumslip
we are at 7:3 right now, so mislynch means we move on to 5:3. Dunnstral must know that scum have a vig ability in the JOAT for us to enter LYLO.
ez

[midwaybear]

So you gonna ignore Dunn’s scunslip?

[midwaybear]

If the deadline is reached before the lynch has reached, the day will end with No Lynch.

well

[midwaybear]

What if BB decides to give the chain to someone that the majority agrees should be the bottom 2? He is being very quite and frankly if I would have him banned for playing that anti-town where as everything is planned ahead, most agree and he allows the scum to have a free shot at who ever they hell they wanted.

here

farside, we don't even have a plan for the chain order yet. I still want starbuck gone.

the hurt list should probably be me, spring, and dunnstral. I can't completely trust the claim and even if Dunnstral dies, it confirms ND. Or we could swap ND and Dunn. It depends on who we potentially want alive.

[midwaybear]

Midway and Spring are both still alive for basically no reasonable reason if this was a normal game of mafia.

im town and I believe she is too

[midwaybear]

If you disagree with that let me know why?

i somewhat disagree because I feel like some people might be fakeclaiming

[midwaybear]

bro I'm getting nightkilled
you won't have to worry about me after today

[midwaybear]

also i strongly believe sping/tse is two town for some reason against all reasonable evidence
the vt claims are spring, pink ball, tse, starbuck, me
is 3 scum really all here?

[midwaybear]

let's flip starbuck honestly
not sure about farside yet. It seems like farside has flip flopped on starbuck A LOT

[midwaybear]

why do scum even shoot beeboy over Raya?
hmm

[midwaybear]

i choose to believe ND and Dunn even though I was tunneling Dunn. Yes, I also like putting them on the quiz to see if it resolves. In fact, if it fails, i would be more sus at farside. My reads keep changing this game.
Who is wong but town? Perhaps Pink Ball? Not really sure because I honestly don't know who scumreads me anymore.

pedit: unwnd's D2 quiz proposals didn't seem scum motivated. This quells my paranoia about farside, but do u have any specific quotes?

Deny quiz

[midwaybear]

starbuck is legit a universal scumread.

[midwaybear]

because farside pushed you a lot D1, then townread you, and apparently is consider you as scum now

[midwaybear]

yes, VT

[midwaybear]

this game is crazy

[midwaybear]

How about getting paranoid if we are wrong today?

according to best friend

Dunnstral

, we enter lylo with a mislynch. scum might have vig ability in JOAT
let's use our 2 weeks
thank

[midwaybear]

starbuck is legit a universal scumread.

I only see you, TSE and spring calling her scum

nope
dunn, nd, farside, and perhaps beeboy/unwnd all SR her
it's only you?

[midwaybear]

dude i actually trust him though

[midwaybear]

does town ever win this? Too many uncooperative playstyles here(maybe me too lol).
pedit: thanks

[midwaybear]

openwolving
starbuck+PB+someone esle

[midwaybear]

there's no way pink ball can be town here

[midwaybear]

ur legit throwing if ur town
x100

pedit: I SURE WISH I WAS SCUM

[midwaybear]

i hope my reads are completely wrong this game

[midwaybear]

some people have been notably silent
maybe talking in the scum PT

[midwaybear]

ugh starbuck could be town here?
i need flips

[midwaybear]

i reread and unwnd still seems town to me, so ...

[midwaybear]

be the change you want to see

[midwaybear]

people normally get drunk on the weekends
I guess it is different here

[midwaybear]

approve team

[midwaybear]

You guys are saying the team is me-tse-spring, but it’s unfortunately not.
Is pink ball ever scum with spring?

[midwaybear]

Pink Ball and Unwnd are town from a couple of their posts.
Farside will be reevaluated, but Starbuck is most definitely scum lol

[midwaybear]

probably me, but why do you want to know that?

[midwaybear]

hasn't even been that toxic tbh
why am I scum over srping now?

[midwaybear]

mostly poe for starbuck. We'll see

[midwaybear]

ok i will

[midwaybear]

Spoiler: ur case without quotes

I don't think people read this stuff but here is the quotes I pulled from Mid where he changes his reads and many, many times never explains his scum reads.

The first one was day 1. He said he was going to give SB the chain and then has a sudden unsure I changed my mind 10 minutes later. According to mid it was on reread, but he never says what changed his mind.
Another quote in the mix he talks about ABR and most of his comments ABR is a positive comment, I put that in bold above what he said.
Fast forward to today and he basically is agreeing with everyone about anyone that is scum. I haven't seen Mid really stick with a scum read or say why. At one point he had a town read on me that just vanished for no reason and seriously after his "suspicion" of me yesterday I don't see where he started to town read me at all.
I don't even know why he didn't like the team when he didn't state a scum read on any of the ones in the quiz from the first one (which at that time was NDMath, Unwnd, TSE and PB.)
Basically all I see from mid is following others and blending in without stating why or sticking with a scum read without following someone else.[/quote]

Spoiler: my response

About not giving Starbuck the chain, what is the scum motivation in doing that? Why would I announce I was thinking of giving someone the chain and not do so as scum? I reread and a lot of Starbuck's posts were too defensive for my liking

However, your question here makes me feel like you're trying to force something where there isn't anything. I just don't think you know me and that's cool. Unfortunately, though, I'm not quite sure if that's you coming at me as Town or scum trying to build false suspicion. So maybe I do have my first read.

some veiled OMGUS in response to a legit point from Cakez(one example)
TBH, this might not necessarily be scum indicative, but I still wanted to play it safe which was I gave Dunn the chain.

I don't I ever really mentioned ABR, so it wasn't a massive turn of thought. He was pretty stubborn/anti-town, but I still figured that he was most likely town.

lol how am I agreeing with everyone's scumreads. I townread you during the night period, and I think it was mostly gut/tone? This sheeping point seems interesting, but I don't think so.

[midwaybear]

i can see scum tse more than scum spring. I need to reread some stuff before deadline, so I can see who makes me feel better.
We still have over a week. Rushing things is anti-town right?

[midwaybear]

I don't like Pink Ball's most recent posts, but I like how Dunn is being more flexible?
I trust Dunn and semi-trust farside, so if spring flips town, then starbuck is conf scum(Don't forget this).
hm

[midwaybear]

if she flips town, are you saying one of farside/dunn is lying?

[midwaybear]

spring's flip has nothing to do with Pink Ball's flip mechanic wise though right? For all I know, they could be two scum saying that they are in a neighborhood together to distance. On the other hand, a spring town flip does not necessarily mean PB is scum or town.
Also, Pink Ball's logic on me wanting TSE flipped is sorta hypocritical because that is a reason he wants spring flipped too. Is being a hypocrite townie? Idk.

pedit: ok

[midwaybear]

oh that's true

[midwaybear]

my paranoia is sorta getting to me because this could be really close to being a scum sweep, and whoever is scum might have fake-claimed to propel them over the finish line.

guys consider this: Why would spring as scum vote for beeboy to be chain leader if scum were planning on killing beeboy?
I'm probably killing tse because of this.

[midwaybear]

This sorta depends on WHEN spring voted. If she voted first, then she can basically be cleared. If she voted after everyone else, then it doesn't mean as much.
Answer this please.

[midwaybear]

why is unwnd scum?
I just think spring has more town equity. TSE flipping green gives me lots of town cred, but I probably die tonight if I am still in the group of three.

[midwaybear]

ok, so spring is probably town for voting beeboy? It shows that she didn't want beeboy dead that night which contradicts with the scum shot.

#PinkBall is scum

pedit: I want TSE dead because I think spring is town over him. Nothing really against him.

[midwaybear]

i thought his reaction to almost dying N1 was sorta townie though.
How were you expecting him to react to your claim, and it does seem like a legit role too.
unwnd scum means starbuck town?

[midwaybear]

We have to figure out the Strongman before you pass the chain.

yeah, we still have 8 days left to discuss

[midwaybear]

pink ball is trying to powerwolf a spring hang now...

[midwaybear]

why is my argument that spring is town due to the beeboy vote invalid?

[midwaybear]

yesterday, I played an avalon game with scum doing ATE.
If you want me to chain pass TSE, then refute the beeboy vote argument.

pedit: not really though?

[midwaybear]

If you stall this game for 8 fucking days, so fucking help me.

maybe 1-3 days. Most likely not 8 though

[midwaybear]

Ok I'll hear you. Why is making beeboy the chain leader and then killing him not make sense from scum??

because it shows that spring wanted to protect beeboy. From farside's claim, I'm assuming scum shot beeboy, so why would spring want beeboy bulletproof if scum were going to kill beeboy?
Sure you can say it was a gambit, but the quiz failed and I'm 99.9% sure there is no tampering.

[midwaybear]

That's inexcusable. You were passed the chain on Day 1 by ABR because you need to learn. Don't sit here and stall the god damn game because you want to be selfish now. That's rude and inconsiderate to every other player here who passed the chain and ended the Day.

just take a break from the game if you want the day to end. You're safe anyways

[midwaybear]

but if I end up choosing spring, the other townies need to change their hurt votes

[midwaybear]

oh that's true lol

[midwaybear]

i want to see waht PB says first

[midwaybear]

yeah, but spring voted beeboy FIRST which shows that she wanted beeboy protected and that it wasn't some useless vote at the end

[midwaybear]

This didn't happen. So the story goes. I offer alternatives and different perspectives just to be ignored.

so who do you think is scum?

[midwaybear]

dw beeboy
you are right that I am town!

[midwaybear]

ok that's a fair point
how genuine did spring seem in wanting beeboy to be chain leader?

[midwaybear]

i still think her choice of wanting beeboy protected was town-motivated, and that the scum kill doesn't really line up with it.
However, I do agree that TSE lynched provides very little info while spring has more interactions.

[midwaybear]

hm starbuck seems townie now
which leaves spring, pink ball, and tse as vt claims. PB/spring are never scum together, so this is weird...

[midwaybear]

NDMath, help meee

[midwaybear]

MIDWAY THIS IS RELEVANT: when N1 started, spring started interacting with me and said she didn't have an impression on you because she asked me who I thought was scum and I told her you were my biggest scumread, and kept saying that my case on you was not my thoughts but instead I was copying someone else to push you. So she lied to the quiz team just to get that townie approach that she was striving for.

huh interesting

I noticed the D1/D2 stuff as well. She was a lot better D1 I think.

[midwaybear]

nd if the neighborhood is always t/s, then wouldn't the town player already know one scum?

[midwaybear]

ok unwnd
i think you should be upfront about ur scumreads instead of hiding them though

[midwaybear]

i'll pass it when the discussion stalls out
you have convinced me that spring voting for beeboy is not necessarily town thought

[midwaybear]

HURT: Starbuck, Pink Ball, TSE

VOTE: TSE

[midwaybear]

because i know im town

[midwaybear]

i hope pink ball didn't powerwolf me right there

[midwaybear]

if spring flips scum, oops but good job for convincing me. I don't really care if I die then lol
if she flips town, I just got powerwolfed by PB and Starbuck is scum too with perhaps TSE?

farside, DOC ON ME

[midwaybear]

beeboy, are you past your prime?

[midwaybear]

wait so Dunn and ND WERE scum

[midwaybear]

oof I suspected there was a fakeclaim
the best friends was smart ig

[midwaybear]

yeah, I was pretty dumb this game
unwnd did a nice job IMO

[midwaybear]

Thanks it was fun!

[midwaybear]

what does a spy/quiz swapper do

[midwaybear]

I'm glad I caught Dunn, but sad that I believed the claim so much.
It was smart because noone would have thought scum would do it, and since lylo was tomorrow, they could coast.
pedit: thanks

[midwaybear]

oops so scum could tamper

[midwaybear]

I'll 1v1 Dunnstral because I am convinced he has to be scum.

[midwaybear]

i wanted cakez alive over unwnd EoD1 for some reason. I didn't even think unwnd was scum

[midwaybear]

town was all the loud posters and scum were the quiet ones

[midwaybear]

>3

[midwaybear]

lol
fakeclaims ftw(NDMath knows what mean)

[midwaybear]

the best friends claim was pretty perfect because Dunn/ND were being somewhat obvious in their association

[midwaybear]

i mean tse instantly reading unwnd as scum was good

[midwaybear]

Like, the townblock formed was quite scary to work around but if said townblock is pushing something that doesn't contain scum all scum has to do is just nod their head and agree. I said this many times, and I'm not speaking from a position that everyone should've known better, but I don't think this game ended up very..dynamic.

I agree with this. There wasn't a lot of reevaluating during the day, and it seems like we were relying too much on what happened during the night to find scum.

[midwaybear]

any tips?

[midwaybear]

thanks!
Dunn, why did you claim best friends?

[midwaybear]

was townreading each other part of the plan(because it started pretty early)?

[midwaybear]

sorta scared you can read me so well

[midwaybear]

lol scum didn't have to manipulate anyone
we just couldn't come together

[midwaybear]

Maf chat?

[midwaybear]

ND really had more posts in the scum pt than the actual game
Lol

[midwaybear]

Rip
She was my first SE