Mini 2144: Yu-Gi-Oh Card UPick Game Over - Good Cards Win.

[Crimson97]

Last time i watched Yu-Gi-Oh the blue eyed dragon was a good card.

[Crimson97]

Last time i watched Yu-Gi-Oh the blue eyed dragon was a good card.

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In a few years i might be considered a boomer.

[Crimson97]

What are your philosophical thoughts on Jackson's entrance Socrates?

[Crimson97]

The duality of Yugioh card names.

[Crimson97]

WTF are these? lmao

[Crimson97]

They keep getting funnier.

[Crimson97]

Imagine getting paid for coming up with a name like Nopenguin.

[Crimson97]

What are your philosophical thoughts on Jackson's entrance Socrates?

My experience suggests that it falls outside the dichotomy of what mafia and town would post, and is thus an unreliable metric to decide one's alignment upon to any extent.

Do you disagree? Why so?

Yeh.

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I meant i agreed.

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[Crimson97]

It took me qute some time to understand how that VC is formatted.

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Small world ain't it? I too was dragged here by Seth.

[Crimson97]

Imagine putting modkilling post restrictions in a game.

[Crimson97]

Here's a summary of this game so far for anyone just tuning in:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI[/youtube]

[Crimson97]

Fuck you too BBCode forum.

[Crimson97]

I looked up dog yugioh monsters and i hope this is real and it's what Alsuskkel is.

[Crimson97]

Only 1 new page?

[Crimson97]

RVS is just that to me. You place a vote randomly and then unvote in the next post. Not much more behind it then that. I will say that Porkens has jumped up the sus list for me for simply voting me after stating “intriguing”. There wasn’t much to pull from the 5 page read for me as most of it appears just to be fluff amongst a couple of players. I’m sorry if I took your post as not being sarcasm Beeboy. It read as serious to me.

Just getting ised to the flavor of the game also as I haven’t experienced these types of post restrictions in games before and would like to have a better understanding behind them. What warrants posting in rainbow colors could actually benefit town or scum? Is there a reason behind the restriction or is the mod just toying with us?

Interesting view on RVS. Seems mechanic, not necessarely an AI thing but it caught my attention.

Also post restrictions not necessarely have to benefit a side. In my experience a lot of people use it for memes or references. Thought of course it can cripple the ability of a player to communicate if you get one like: "All your posts have to be poems." Doesn't seem to be the case here though.

[Crimson97]

Oronoko what's your experience level?

[Crimson97]

Still can't believe the rainbow words is a post restriction.

What kinda Yugioh Card does that?

Maybe it's a hologram edition or something.

[Crimson97]

And just from searching rainbow yugioh cards there's a shit ton.

[Crimson97]

Jjh is a Miller and shouldn't be lynched, but shouldn't be investigated either.

What do you mean?

[Crimson97]

You are mistaken and you have failed to see a different indicator for his alignment

May we know what this indicator is?

Espeonage is actually working around the probably self-imposed post restriction to say useful things with an above average level of insight for RVS (which helps the gamestate)

That's highly town indicative due to the level of effort

Do you know Espionage's meta? Are they low effort as scum?

[Crimson97]

VOTE: Porkens

[Crimson97]

oh shit l-6.

Crimson, your iso is real bad

So?

[Crimson97]

Nice omgus

[Crimson97]

So tell me. What makes my iso vote worthy?

[Crimson97]

All your posts are fluff. You are the definition of active lurking.

I will not deny the fluff but tell me. What have you done?

[Crimson97]

I’ve applied pressure, been on wagons, called out scumminess, etc.

You have 2 posts of that, by that definition we have the same amount of attempts at solving. Not to mention you never said why acryon was scummy.

[Crimson97]

is it now?

[Crimson97]

For someone who claimed to be trying to make things move along you really didn't have much iniciative until i voted you.

[Crimson97]

You only applied the pressure cause someone else voted Oronoko.

[Crimson97]

That’s how pressure works

Yeah but it also means you wouldn't have done anything if someone else hadn't voted first. You try to make it look really pro town but it's not really that good.

[Crimson97]

Same.

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[Crimson97]

VOTE: Crimson97

What do you think?

[Crimson97]

VOTE: Crimson

Yeesh. Your making this too obvious. The "well what about you?!?" Argument doesn't work to well at the beginning of the game, bro.

Pork and Beans are right to vote ya.

The only reason why i used that argument is because Porkens used the ISO argument first. Kinda hypocritical of him don't you think?

[Crimson97]

Funny that Porkens never bothered to ask me why i voted him.

I voted Prokens cause the jjh927, Oronoko, Porkens interaction caught my attention. That's also why i asked Oronoko about his experience. The newer he is the less likely it is that he'd be in a team with Porkens or jjh. Doesn't seem to be the case though but it's still not likely they are together.

I also noticed that Porkens said he wanted to make things start moving. Then the thread kind died for like a day and he only posted a couple of fluffy posts. So i decided to give the thread a little kick by voting Pokens.

His first reaction was to call me bad. Inmediately he showed a very defensive attitude, which i don't like.

[Crimson97]

Your vote on me did prompt to look at your iso, that part is true.

Fair. But your defense was still calling me bad. Let's say my ISO was the best one you had ever seen. What'd you have said?

You never asked why i was voting you so you could properly defend. It's not a townie mentality.

[Crimson97]

Woah amazing. What do you think i'm doing with your wagon Porkens?

[Crimson97]

Porkens. If i'm right and you're scum then we can look inside my wagon for scum, if i'm wrong then scum probably left this discussion happen to cause chaos and we look at the people who didn't give their opinions. That was another thing i wanted to do with your wagon, i think enough time has passed that everyone who wanted to give their opinion on Porkens v Me has given it. People who didn't well, that's noted.

[Crimson97]

Crimson, it is as though after the Porkens vote, you have solely focused on either Porkens or defense of yourself. Do you not want to learn the alignments of other players on your wagon, or in the game?

I wanted to wait a little to see what opinions people would give without me interfering.

[Crimson97]

Me: Porkens is scum.
Porkens: ur bad.
Me: ur bad.
Porkens: woah so schoolgroundish.

Not to mention Porkens. You still only have two attempts at scumhunting outside of our interactions. Keep trying to convince people you've scumhunted more than me, i wanna see that.

[Crimson97]

Crimson, it is as though after the Porkens vote, you have solely focused on either Porkens or defense of yourself. Do you not want to learn the alignments of other players on your wagon, or in the game?

I wanted to wait a little to see what opinions people would give without me interfering.

And what have you learnt? Elaborate.

The things you learn from any wagon. Who sides with who, who takes a neutral spot and who decided to not get into the discussion. Also whatever Espeonage is doing. As the game developes these interactions will become more meaningful.

[Crimson97]

yo

[Crimson97]

Crimson, it is as though after the Porkens vote, you have solely focused on either Porkens or defense of yourself. Do you not want to learn the alignments of other players on your wagon, or in the game?

I wanted to wait a little to see what opinions people would give without me interfering.

And what have you learnt? Elaborate.

Elsa and jj sided with Porkens. Alduskkel sided with me. You, acryon and beeboy remained more or les neutral. Shireen didn't get involved. Other people is hard to say cause didn't post.
If Porkens is scum then it's more likely that there'd be scum in (jj/Elsa).
If he is not mafia then it's a bit more complicated cause it really depends on the person but i'd say it's more likely they'd stay neutral or out of it.
I also leanred it's unlikely Alduskkei is in a team with Porkens.

[Crimson97]

Don't bother with Espionage. With a restriction like that, they gotta be town. Not like anyone can understand them anyway. It's more like a semi useless innocent child.

There's a chance they're faking it rigth? Wouldn't let them completely off the hook but it's gonna be hard to tell.

[Crimson97]

I've decided to take this game more seriously and I iso'd Porkens/Crimson

I don't like how Crimson's instinctive reaction to Porkens's vote was to immediately turn around and say "What have you done?" I still kind of like post 227 though like I did earlier. I feel like the difference is that after they started fighting, Crimson kinda just focused in on Porkens rather than anything else going on in the thread, while Porkens is still talking about their reads on other people. Also, post 283 is really meaningless, like a lazy attempt to pretend you're continuing to scumhunt

So I'm going to flipflop a bit and
VOTE: Crimson

Hmm what? I have gotten conclusions off the Porkens wagon. All Porkens did was agree with a read and disagree with anoter. Dude even tried to sway discussion away from other topics and bring it back to him v me.

[Crimson97]

Also why shouldn't i point out Porken's hypocrisy? I didn't point out that he hadn't done much because it was the beginning of the game. He did however so i assumed he held a certain standard of activity for people which he should also be meaured by. Not to mention that Porken's reacton was even worse.

[Crimson97]

Also that Elsa post i quoted will look very bad if either Elsa or Espeonage turn out to be baddies.

[Crimson97]

Looking at Jake again, the only two posts of any actual substance are 115 and 304 which are basically both just Mafia theory. Feels a bit like trying to pepper in stuff that sounds town without actually doing anything.

Feel free to prove me wrong though.

VOTE: Jake

The post directly before yours trying to decifer Espeonage's Espionage.

Ok but that's not even scumhunting. You're just trying to translate? That is actually another example of what I described: behavior that appears town but isn't taking any kind of stance.

aww shit, i'm starting to like acryon.

[Crimson97]

Looking at Jake again, the only two posts of any actual substance are 115 and 304 which are basically both just Mafia theory. Feels a bit like trying to pepper in stuff that sounds town without actually doing anything.

Feel free to prove me wrong though.

VOTE: Jake

The post directly before yours trying to decifer Espeonage's Espionage.

Ok but that's not even scumhunting. You're just trying to translate? That is actually another example of what I described: behavior that appears town but isn't taking any kind of stance.

Why make your own reads when you can be helpful in deciphering other people?

Tbh I'm not really attached to this game rn.

You dropped your /s bro.

[Crimson97]

Nope

You are basically memeing at this point aren't you?

[Crimson97]

Okay I guess I'm continuing to put off casing crimson

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[Crimson97]

And thank you for reminding me about that post Orinoko, i completely forgot i had asked jj that.

And btw, if it wasn't obvious, i intentionally didn't specify why i voted Porkens until later.

[Crimson97]

Morr evidence siding with Pork and Beans was a better option.

Going for jjh instead of me? Very weird.

What "evidence" do you talk about?

Also are you implying you're scummier than jj?

[Crimson97]

Ok so my intention was never to fully commit to the Porkens wagon unless he had a bad reaction. I was actually hoping to find a better wagon through his vote. I didn't like his reaction tho so i'm ok with lynching him.

With that said i am also willing to go for: jj, Elsa. At least one scum here.

Shireen and jake are ok but not optimal lynches.

beeboy, Jackson and Alduskkel i'm not sure. Though i find Alduskkel's reason for flip flopping pretty bad.

I am not voting for Socrate, acryon or Orinoko today.

Espeonage i don't know what to do with.

[Crimson97]

Crimson your at L-2 for the crimes of disagreeing with thr pig. How do you plead?

I plead epic gamer.

[Crimson97]

Crimson your at L-2 for the crimes of disagreeing with thr pig. How do you plead?

What id your definition of disagreeing btw? Cause i think it's not the same as mine.

[Crimson97]

Thank you for the memes Shireen very good D1 you have.

[Crimson97]

I would advise you not lynching me. You will lynch town that way. Unless you wanna take that gamble.

mood tbh

[Crimson97]

also i am willing to take that gamle jake.

[Crimson97]

nice

[Crimson97]

i retract anything i've said about you jake, you're truly a big brain gamer.

[Crimson97]

can i talk as long as seth doesn't come to yeet me or should i stay quiet?

[Crimson97]

Ok jake if that's a real shot and the odd go against my favor then you made a pretty bad mistake. But if it helps hang Porkens, Elsa or jj ig it's not too bad.

Anyways.

Jake and shireen please tell us anything about the currents wagon. I am asking for literally any opinion. Refusing to do so will be taken as a scum confession. Do this even if i die.

[Crimson97]

Porkens probably feels very safe right now being covered by his buddies on my wagon. Seeing how he hasn't felt like speaking unless it's to make short remarks about his wagon.

[Crimson97]

Ah yes, Porkens and his 4 fellow scumbuddies voting you. The classic 5 man team.

I said that his buddies were on my wagon, not that all my wagon was his buddies.

[Crimson97]

Yeah I feel p good.

And that's a prompt for you to stop playing the game apparently. Actually it looks like quite a few people have decided to dip out.

[Crimson97]

And no I didn’t start the game with any buddies but I feel like I’m making friends now.

The real scum were the friends we made along the way.

[Crimson97]

By Seth I think you mean Soul? And yeah. Cuz until the Mod says your dead you can post.

Besides, could be fake. It's a Mini Theme. Probably is. Dayvig seems 97% a Large Game only theme.

This is rather scummy of you, to unravel a reaction test of mine.

Why not make it just a regular vig shot? hmmm

[Crimson97]

If anyone wants to CFD Shireen just tell me and i might follow.

[Crimson97]

That i may consider CFDing Shireen.

[Crimson97]

ik you were probably not talking about that post, please quote.

[Crimson97]

Piggie is asking what CFDing means. Probably.

Atleast I'm asking it.

Oh, ngl thought that was common terminology.

Chinese Fire Drill (CFD): CFD'ing or to "CFD" someone is when a group of voters suddenly switch votes right before end of day to someone who was previously not in contention to be lynched.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/CFD

[Crimson97]

woof

Ok so my intention was never to fully commit to the Porkens wagon unless he had a bad reaction. I was actually hoping to find a better wagon through his vote. I didn't like his reaction tho so i'm ok with lynching him.

this feels like backpedaling

if the mod confirmed porkens as town right now, who would you vote and why?

Elsa cause i don't like their logic for siding with Porkens.

[Crimson97]

But i'm not planning on unvoting Porkens rn.

[Crimson97]

what's wrong with it?

woof

He's completely ignoring the fact that Porken's defense was calling me bad and then votes me for doing the same thing to Porkens. He also supported Porkens when he said that other wagons other than mine were distractions which is a blatant attenmpt to kill town discussion. Elsa said he was doing it cause we only had one week to solve the day. Which is contradictory. If we have little time we should be discussing everything right now or we'll waste time later discussing what should have been talked about D1.

[Crimson97]

And btw i don't consider one week to be short for a day but that depends from place to place ig.

[Crimson97]

Why do you prefer to keep voting Porkens rather than voting Elsa? Elsa has more votes.

Woof

And? Porkens is still scum.

[Crimson97]

Now you are just making shit up.

Prove it.

[Crimson97]

Now you are just making shit up.

Prove it.

Quote where I shut down towns discussion.

VOTE: Acryon

I don’t like this distraction. Don’t love acryon but we need to settle me vs. crimson now, please, if you don’t mind.

[Crimson97]

Yeah but it's 2 days to deadline and you're the only vote on Porkens

If you keep your vote there then what's your plan for getting Porkens lynched?

woof

Being completey honest? I don't want to let Porkens feel like he's off the hook but one vote isn't much is it? And with EoD approaching i'll have to move my vote soon.
I'll hammer Elsa when we get closer to EoD.

[Crimson97]

What discussion did that shut down?

The push on acryon?

[Crimson97]

You even acknowledge you don't like acryon, but you don't want people pushing them cause it's a distraction from your wagon on me.

[Crimson97]

As a reminder since you didnt pay attention last time, I basically claimed Super Saint, so if you hammer me you die Crimson.

cool

[Crimson97]

Your arguments were blatant scum and for people to ignore that was anti town. I shut down nothing.

The ask people for opinions but let them push who they want. Unless you thought acryon was town there's no reason to shut down a wagon so early in the day.

[Crimson97]

Yeah, that was what I was trying to say earlier about the fusion monsters. "If I cross paths with them it fails". The reasoning being I'm "fusing" them but if it's already a fusion monster it doesn't need to be fused.

But I just wanna ask the question of why when the town is literally just Good Cards mister Magic Cylinder thought it was Fusion Monsters as the bad cards instead of just Bad or Evil Cards.

So you're more like a flavor cop?

[Crimson97]

Oh nvm i think i get it. You are a detective that only works on non fused monsters. Right?

[Crimson97]

Can you also fuse traps and spells Elsa?

[Crimson97]

Wait you can remove hammers on this site? Cause i'm pretty sure Porkens hammered at one point.

[Crimson97]

Wait you can remove hammers on this site? Cause i'm pretty sure Porkens hammered at one point.

Socrates had already voted, so you were still L-2 at that point.

Oh ur right.

[Crimson97]

Then did Porkens really think he was hammering Elsa?

[Crimson97]

VOTE: elsa jay lolhammer.

What that sucks VOTE: unvote VOTE: crimson

Looks like it.

[Crimson97]

Can we lynch the pig ffs? He's just fluffing.

[Crimson97]

Not to mention he wanted to lolhammer his highest town read.

[Crimson97]

Side-note, you are currently set to die so should probably claim if you want a chance of people moving off of you.

Does it look like i fear death?

[Crimson97]

Elsa vote the guy that betrayed you.

[Crimson97]

I'm Nopenguin

[Crimson97]

Is that a defense

[Crimson97]

cause it's a bad one and thanks for confirming you actually meant to hammer your town read ice queen.

[Crimson97]

Just look at how much resistance this fluffy man's wagon has.

[Crimson97]

Ok here's my full claim

Nopenguin

I can prevent all visits on a player at night and i take one extra vote to lynch.

[Crimson97]

The other cards i chose were Cockadoodledoo and Lord of D. Of course Seth decided to give me the one that's not a dick joke.

[Crimson97]

Ok here's my full claim

Nopenguin

I can prevent all visits on a player at night and i take one extra vote to lynch.

Do you have any insight into how this works with plurality?

I assume it works just like with any other person.

[Crimson97]

Though now that you point it out i'm curious if it'd save me in this situation.

[Crimson97]

That’s a scum role.

If you think that you can discuss it with Seth. Or give the reasons why it's a scum role.

[Crimson97]

Yeah i'm basically a TP but i also scre TIs.

[Crimson97]

Porkens i'm supporting your presidential campaing. Everyone vote Porkens if you want him to be your new leader.

[Crimson97]

Looks like scum is happy with the current stateof the game and won't even bother coming before EoD.