Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[springlullaby]

Quest leader vote pledges:

springlullaby quest leader (3):

springlullaby, mastina, ame

Not voting (10):

Pink Ball
Raya36
Pine
Ginngie
Lady Chloe
momo
Flight of the Conchords (secret hydra)
Not Known 15
Farkset (Farkran + Kerset)
Hectic

Pledge your vote before entering the quest, or you will be deemed scummy.
This is to ensure no wiggle room at night.
If you are against the idea, please say so and explain.

.... public service announcement ....

DO NOT VOTE FOR THE AXIS OF EVIL

.... /public service announcement ....

[springlullaby]

Cool, I'm feeling much better than I was earlier. I had a nap, finished watching

Archer

, made myself a primo quality homemade quesadilla, played Rainbox Six Siege with my mates while drinking a silly amount of whiskey, won some matches, ran out of whiskey, lost some matches, started in on the rum, and remembered I had both ginger beer and lime juice, so made myself a Dark & Stormy.

I'm feeling hella better. Thanks for being supportive, you guys, especially Ame and Ginny.

Still happy with my SL vote. choo choo.

Going to bed now <3

this is a town pine

Tell town Pine that he sucks.

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You're both spamming, but at least he isn't being unnecessarily hostile. Hence why I'm happy with my vote - win lose or draw, removing one or both of you D1 is positive for this game's health.

I think you confuse hostile and making cases.

Don't hide behind that line you've lurked enough.

We vote to capture BTW, not to lynch, and I've claimed.

I'll make it easy for you:

> End day or not end day
> Quest leader choice

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And even if spring was scum which is unlikely, roleblocking a claimed voyeur is not ideal

I didn't see the claim, but A) Voyeur is a +EV scum role (imo) and B) Roleclaims should not be treated as sacrosanct, especially in a likely role madness game.

Pine, if you want to commit to a policy capture, that's fine by me.

Don't mix in bad argument.

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^ Farkscum admitting to having done zero scumhunting.

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K.

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Don't bother it's scum.^

Youish, Hecticish, momo, NK, Pine scum read her. Me, Pink, FoC, Raya strongly town read her. Lady, mastina, Ginnie

You know what, I just noticed something.
If certain people are not scum, they are def going to be held accountable.

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<Your daily FARKSCUM interlude>

In a game where scum have incentive to doubt others at any possible angle

Very good point.++

If you read Farkset. I mean

really

read it *cougPinecough* you'll see that you'll get a vague ok impression at first, because the slot speaks a lot.
BUT if you filter for what is said, the net total of about all their posts repeat a same single message: "everyone can be suspicious".
He has up until now, even on me who is "50/50", provided exactly zero read.

</Your daily FARKSCUM interlude>

Also,

GIINGIE GET BACK IN HERE

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Im gonna make the bold claim that everyone over 100 posts as of this moment is town.

Does this mean I'm getting your quest leader vote?

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I refuse to put in effort when you're a live. You're a fucking headache and I'm not going to get drowned out by 20 posts a day spam.

This is ad hominem by the way Giingie.

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Ame, I'd like you to stay out of the quest.
Is that ok?

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@

Ame:

the vote progression is way wrong. They accuse me of being reactionary, when it's the other way round.

I voted momo early day to start somewhere, it went nowhere (aka zero reply) -> they voted me when I moved to Hectic.
I voted Hectic when I caught something scummy from them, dropped the vote when I saw Giingie do something scummy -> Hectic voted me the second I dropped the vote
I voted Giingie for a post in which he describes scum buddying behavior that he is exhibing in this very game, it was also a half joke/half fishing for reaction vote -> Giingie OMGUS me the few next posts.
I voted Farkscum, when he went overboard for the most scummy case I've seen in a while.
Someone asked for End-day, I think it's an ok compromise solution as the wagon is going nowhere anyway.
I went back to my vote on Farkran because it's where my true scum read lies.
I'm still ok to compromise

Please verify the info I'm giving with whether you think I just said is accurate, and please give me your feedback on whether you think Farkran's accusations have any basis in reality at all.

Ame, btw I'm not liking what you are doing at all. I currently believe you because of your claim, and an early post of yours. So again, I'll ask you, I would like you to stay outside of the quest. Y/NO?

@

mod

: could you confirm quest actions and night actions are resolved separately? aka Potential action of scum/town PR does not affect quest item actions?

BTW, notice to all that I've stopped reading the Farscum slot. Waste of my time. You may drop me a line, but please don't. It's repetitive bullshit.

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@Ame: consider the following.

The sabotage may be targeted at the quest leader. It will not prevent any of those things.

@mod: could you confirm whether quest actions and night actions are resolved separately? aka Potential action of scum/town PR does not affect quest item actions?

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@Ame, I'd like to redirect you to my 896. Could you get back to me on it?

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If I'm scum with Farkscum, why did NK15 switch his vote?

> If they think Farkscum is scum, how is my reasoning bullshit spam?
---> I would accept this as valid only if the reason I presented were disqualified, but they are not. The only thing NK is doing is present empty allegation that I'm bullshit spamming which I was not.

> My caps are generally humorous exagerration, especially earlier game.
---> Please verify whether "Vote for me the most awesome leader on earth" being qualified as "exaggerated bs yelling" constitutes a valid argument.

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I mean he literally quoted me saying:

"We are settling the quest thing now.
We do it, I'm the leader.

Profit.

"

As some sort of proof that I was expecting this to be frictionless.

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Please refer to the bolded in green from my past post.
NK characterizes me very strongly.

@mod: can sabotage be targeted at a quest leader, and if so, does it prevent said leader to perform a)discovery and gifting of special item b)gaining xp c)using the bonus xp?

The sabotage may be targeted at the quest leader. It will not prevent any of those things.

Thanks.

Quest Protocol

Synopsis:

After mod clarification, I put forward the following protocol to be followed in order to maneuver the quest mechanic.

Objective:

I. Maximize town's chance of getting a special item every night and using it.
II. Minimize mafia's impact in that process.
III. Use the quest mechanism as an investigative device.

Steps:

1. Everyday, all alive player shall pledge participation to the quest in thread.
> All town players must participate to the quest because it minimizes mafia's impact on leader choice, and diminishes chances of successful sabotage.

2. Everyday, a leader is choosen by town in the day thread.
> Streamline process and avoid messy night discussion during shorter deadline.
> The first leader shall be me, by virtue of me coming up with the idea

and being generally super awesome

.
> At night, the leader shall be privilege target of town PR's protection, at town PR's discretion.

3. Every night, the quest leader shall choose at his own discretion, a person to grant the special item upon.
> This choice is not made public beforehand because of the sabotage mechanic.
> The choice is made public the day after, as a soft investigative device via accountability.

If no objection is put forward

, we shall proceed.

Please confirm that you have pm'd the mod for quest participation in thread.

QUEST LIST DAY 1

Confirmed:

springlullaby

Waiting (lame or scum):

mastina
Pink Ball
Raya36
Pine
Ginngie
Lady Chloe
momo
Flight of the Conchords (secret hydra)
Not Known 15
Farkset (Farkran + Kerset)
Hectic
Ame

Leader:

springlullaby

There are also multiple instances of me exchanging with others in this thread and discussing the plan, actively asking for input. I will let you verify by yourself.

The mischaracterization is egregious.

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Please refer to the bolded in green from my past post.
NK characterizes me very strongly.

@mod: can sabotage be targeted at a quest leader, and if so, does it prevent said leader to perform a)discovery and gifting of special item b)gaining xp c)using the bonus xp?

The sabotage may be targeted at the quest leader. It will not prevent any of those things.

Thanks.

Quest Protocol

Synopsis:

After mod clarification, I put forward the following protocol to be followed in order to maneuver the quest mechanic.

Objective:

I. Maximize town's chance of getting a special item every night and using it.
II. Minimize mafia's impact in that process.
III. Use the quest mechanism as an investigative device.

Steps:

1. Everyday, all alive player shall pledge participation to the quest in thread.
> All town players must participate to the quest because it minimizes mafia's impact on leader choice, and diminishes chances of successful sabotage.

2. Everyday, a leader is choosen by town in the day thread.
> Streamline process and avoid messy night discussion during shorter deadline.
> The first leader shall be me, by virtue of me coming up with the idea

and being generally super awesome

.
> At night, the leader shall be privilege target of town PR's protection, at town PR's discretion.

3. Every night, the quest leader shall choose at his own discretion, a person to grant the special item upon.
> This choice is not made public beforehand because of the sabotage mechanic.
> The choice is made public the day after, as a soft investigative device via accountability.

If no objection is put forward

, we shall proceed.

Please confirm that you have pm'd the mod for quest participation in thread.

QUEST LIST DAY 1

Confirmed:

springlullaby

Waiting (lame or scum):

mastina
Pink Ball
Raya36
Pine
Ginngie
Lady Chloe
momo
Flight of the Conchords (secret hydra)
Not Known 15
Farkset (Farkran + Kerset)
Hectic
Ame

Leader:

springlullaby

There are also multiple instances of me exchanging with others in this thread and discussing the plan, actively asking for input. I will let you verify by yourself.

The mischaracterization is egregious.

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Mischaracterization... there is no mischaracterization. You claim you were expecting this not to go well? Really? THEN WHY DID YOU DO IT? To increase the noise? To let others drown the thread with NAI arguments?
You have never stopped pushing for yourself as leader for the N1 quest.
You have not pushed for quests forever because it doesn`t impact what you want, at least not greatly. Yet you still have not ceased to push yourself as leader for Night 1. Your claim was BS - you need more xp, according to yourself.

Enough. This is more evidence that they are scum.

Now, if you look at what`s green... you will see the obvious bullshit they are trying. They are trying to look like something but overexaggerate it too much. What sane town would characterize naming themselves awesome as a reason for something.... cooperative...

> I did not claim that I was expecting this not to go well. I did it because I did it, but resistance did not surprise me. Can you understand the difference?

What you are saying is really weird.
Do you not understand the concept of humor?

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Momo said something scummy btw. But I'll let you have at it.

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This is a pretty convincing case - even if it's not correct, I think this case never comes from scum. Welcome to the good guys, NK15.

Except it's not, just admit I'm a victim to burden of proficiency.

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It is good for you to be joining us Pine.

Although a little bit disappointing that you would vote me for "spam" and "unnecessary hostility", then post cheap nonsensical comebacks.

As I suspected, your activity level had nothing to do with "gamestate". A little more effort there, people may fall for the color violet, but that's really insufficient.

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1) Why I want Ame to stay outside of the quest.
> Because, if her claim is true, she is a safe target to receive the item.

2) The volunteering to capture is really, really dumb. It doesn't serve as POE at all.

IV. Actions
This game contains two types of night actions: standard actions and bonus actions. Unless otherwise specified, all actions are standard actions. Each player may carry out a maximum of one standard action and any number of bonus actions in one night, unless they Train, in which case they may take no other actions (standard or bonus).

The Mafia factional kill is a bonus action; this in effect means that all Mafia members are multitasking, as they may carry out the Mafia kill at the same time as taking a personal action.

Ame, why did you suggest that? Do you see that it is a bad idea?

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@mod: can you confirm only players participating into the quest can receive quest item?

Concerning volunteering to capture.
--> We don't know starting mafia XP point.
--> Either way, a mafia member not carrying the kill, doesn't mean they are not mafia since another member of the mafia can do it. Do you agree?

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What possible good intention you (plural) may have?

You have claimed vote unlocking tree trunk. Are you also a neighborood maker?

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This needs to stop. Ame has been low key fishing for PR's many times now.
Stop it.

Ame, why don't you volunteer to be captured?

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Trust the evidence based person who says stupid things.

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Have you changed your mind on springlullaby being town again?

Yes, I change my mind. Those last two posts by Spring are the second set of scummiest posts in the game.

No, I wasn't reaction testing. Not capturing momo. And this isn't the time for vanity wagons. SwItch to either Spring or Farkran with me. We lynch the other.

1179 and 1180 above. Spring blatantly role fishes, gets self-conscious about it, and attempts to paint it as if it were I that were doing so.

Idiocy at its best.

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Telling people to volunteer to be captured = role fishing.

> No town PR will volunteer.

Telling people to volunteer to be captured under the pretense of POE is either idiocy at its best of scum. I hope a whole lot for you that you are scum Ame.

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^No it's actually because I think they are scum because of the amount of antitown bullshit. But since the whole lot of you appear to not be able to see this. Anyway, I tried.

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I'm pretty sure spring is lying.. it was pretty obvious to me that he just didn't want ame to take leader based on the timing and tone of the post

Doesn't contradict the fact that I think they are scum.

Raya, what did you hope to accomplish with volunteering to be captured?

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Anyway, can this day move on already. I want to be liberated from that much stupid.

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I'm pretty sure spring is lying.. it was pretty obvious to me that he just didn't want ame to take leader based on the timing and tone of the post

Doesn't contradict the fact that I think they are scum.

Raya, what did you hope to accomplish with volunteering to be captured?

Ame has already explained this enough. I won't go into more detail on it

Ame is wrong.

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Did you think he was scum back when you asked to stay out of the quest? Didn't seem so

spring you ignored this question

Yes, scum with a let's see claim.

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VOTE: Lynch
VOTE: Ame

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RIP FOTC

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^Vote Ame already.

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@Mod, could you confirm that no mod error has confirmed?

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I need 2 xp btw, kthanks.

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Yeah sure. Lynch Ame, then lynch Pine.

Or we could reverse. It's the same.

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Why not Ame?

> Stupid plans whole day yesterday.
> The lamest bussing exchange with Farkset, go read it, it's fucking stupid.
> Doesn't disclose result of quest item and who they give it to.

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Pine if you are town just lynch Ame already.

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I did read it but what makes you think it's bussing?
Maybe it's better not disclosed.

Why it shouldn't be disclosed?

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Ginggie stop fucking around, it's Pine/Ame.

The bullshit thrown my way is just fucking bullshit.

I'm accused of making the game less enjoyable. Lol.

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> Doesn't disclose result of quest item and who they give it to.

Can we lynch this?

Pink ball, item is likely a one shot power, why shouldn't it be disclosed?

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Do you all have mush for brain.

> The lynch mechanic was unlocked by mafia dying.
> The gift mechanic is pointless and Pine says he fucked it up> it was the gift.

The fact that Ame doesn't interrogate it means they are scum.
They are also very probably a NK immune mafia, which is why they claimed what they claimed to draw the kill.

It's fucking easy.

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*Ame is the NK immune mafia.

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Did you read the FOTC flip? Everyone got one xp today.

I didn't consider that. That makes this statement quite odd then:

I need 2 xp btw, kthanks.

It makes perfect sense if they

lost 1xp due to capture

, though.

Although nothing they said about their role and xp makes sense when combined, except them lying to us. Can we lynch this? It has at least 1xp so it can kill tonight.

> I really can't tell if you are just that stupid.

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Unfortunate Pine. What is gold exactly?

A macguffin which would have made us all bulletproof. Now it’s not a thing because I’m a dumb.

VOTE: Spring

VOTE: Springlullaby
Time to get rid of the next scum. If correct, lynch the mastina - slot.

Do both of you really believe that day 1 was a full on scum theatre between SL and farkset?

This stops now. I was not spamming the thread, I was scumhunting and responding to the Farkset bullshit. You do realise Farkset was scum do you?

Why are you repeating slander from scum?

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NK can you do a reread of Spring and Fark in ISO together? I don't think Spring is scum. Her reasoning comes from a place that I don't think scum would be able to simulate. A recent example in particular is 1311. This is the type of theory that I only think comes from genuine confirmation bias.

Spring, I went into your meta some and found that this persona isn't your standard and that you are actually capable of posting normally and politely. Why did you choose this persona this game? I find your abrasiveness and rudeness very unenjoyable and ask that you stop.

My town core right now is NK, Ginnie, and Pine. I'll dive into Hectic tomorrow, but I think he's probably a part of that as well. However, Hectic it would be helpful if you started to provide some thoughts!

Ame, you understand that Farkset is scum and he slandered me right?

Are you pursuing the trend?

I wasn't rude at all.

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Busy week everyone?

I wasn't rude at all.

You just called someone stupid before posting this. This is not a cool strategy regardless of your alignment.

Lol, saying that people say stupid things is not rude. It just mean that you are saying something stupid.

Don't stay stupid shit. Period.

If you are town, don't say stupid shit because it makes it easier for scum to hide.
If you are scum, you get called out on it.

You've said a lot of stupid shit Ame, so tell me, are you scum or just a 10 year old with an ego?

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Momo Replacement please claim.
Lady Chloe Replacement please claim. And inform us who Chloe targeted N1.

Oh my god. Fucking die with fire already. Erp Derp MASS CLAIM BECAUSE HAS NOTHING IN BRAIN.

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Use more LARGE SIZE Ame, it is very civilized.

You are not playing mafia, you are playing something like chat mafia.
There is no fucking scumhunting in this game because you don't know what it means.
And there is so much fucking stupid I can't stand it.

WHY DON T YOU GO BACK TO EPIC MAFIA.

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Game health is fucking being harassing to someone like you did.
"For the sake of the game my ass."

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Anyway, people I could stand are out so.

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Oh and btw, emotional appeal which is about 99 percent of this game was considered a scumtell in my time.

You can't all be scum so that's that.

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I totally know why ABR thought my slot was scum

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Good game all.

I've got to commend Ame for playing great in this game. Vigging Farkscum was crucial. Seems like you had a really cool role. Thanks for giving us the sword, too.
I felt the Creature lynch was a mechanically poor choice, but other than that you did a really good job.

Thanks to scum as well for killing us N1. As ever, I take it as a compliment.

There's a number of you I enjoyed playing with, and i'd be happy to see again, including spring - it's a shame she replaced out. A few of you got under each others feathers a bit, it seems.

- Bret

I liked playing with you as well