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There was a lot of...words, and I didn't parse everything yet (I'll re:read the game at some point), but from my skim I came up with
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I felt eyesott posting was forced and when I did properly ISO him I only saw filler or posts that came off as trying to look busy. I'm quite happy with those reads.-
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I don't usually explain town reads but I feel like I'm going to mostly work with those two (I don't think I'm going to get confident town reads on anyone else in this playerlist, I don't vibe well here) therefore properly explaining it for once might be the way to go.
The main reason I'm TR'ing both slots is that I feel both actively invested in solving the game, in a way that it's not just a "solvy post to look busy".Chronos's posts come off as very engrossed in the game and his long posts don't feel like the classic scum writing a lot of redundant things to make posts bigger. His words have purpose.
Adorable seems actively solving the game and I distinctly remember that being huge town points for him, because his scum meta is being rather lackluster as far as I know. It would be something null for most players but I TR him for it.
Adorable/Chronos, give eyesott ISO a glance. Not interested? I've really not a grasp of the game and skipped around 60% of the posts in my skim, but I feel good about my SR on him regardless of anything else.-
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If you add Eyesott to your scum core I could support this. In my quick skim I thought titus was squirming around, although I don't have a real grasp on Rabid/Egix/Espresso.In post 335, gobbledygook wrote:Town Core: Activate!
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Scum Core:Die
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I do town read Chronos as well, and about Sujimichi 3 posts:In post 292, Sujimichi wrote:Hey everyone! I will catch up shortly.In post 293, Sujimichi wrote:I am caught up. I believe mastina to be Town. I also believe Team STRQ to be Town though with a lesser degree of confidence.
I don't want to expand on detail right now, but I get good vibes from this short posts. I feel that scum!Suji would already try looking busy by asking questions or write longer posts. I'm not a Suji specialist though.In post 319, Sujimichi wrote:Hello, gobbledygook! You are replacing a slot that I had a light Townread on, so I am looking forward to your views on the game.
Again, normally I wouldn't explain my TRs etc but I don't feel I'm gonna be able to PoE this game so I think I'm more interested in forming a block of people I TR, aiming to pile votes in a common suspect and to reach roughly similar reads in D1. It would be a more effective pressure tool/ good way to get things rolling.
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I don't know about agreeing with the content of this post because I've only see scum!Adorable lurk and be uninvolved in the game, but I...town lean this content?In post 363, mastina wrote:
I sure can! Not right now, there's a limit to how often I can do it, but it's a repeatable action that I intend to continue using at every opportunity I can. (And yes, it is an activated action, not a passive one. I have to manually trigger it.)In post 297, Churros wrote:Mastina can you howl again?
Take a look at Adorable's posting and tell me it isn't forced.In post 296, Churros wrote:I felt eyesott posting was forced
I have a saying.In post 298, Churros wrote:The main reason I'm TR'ing both slots is that I feel both actively invested in solving the game, in a way that it's not just a "solvy post to look busy".
Effort != Alignment. (This would be the aforementioned hypocrisy in that I admit that part of the reason I am liking EP's posts more is that they have more effort behind them.)
More than that.
Adorable's posts are precisely that--'solvey' posts to look busy, without actually having a natural fluidity to them.
Read my post 360 in its full to see the notable contrast between Adorable as town in every towngame of hers previously, and Adorable of this game, and how Adorable as scum is a dead-ringer to this game.
Adorable as town has an aura of casualness to her. She's fluid, she's got this natural flow to her content which comes across as incredibly good.
Adorable this game has been forcing after forcing. There's an aggression to her that's utterly absent from her towngames, but which was the defining trait of her scumgame. This is an Adorable who has been forward, who has been pushing hard, rather than going with the flow.
Adorable as town is like a leaf on a river, drifting along with the flow.
Adorable this game is a rock in that river, cutting through it, unmoving, forcing the river to go around it. A trait she has displayed in her completed scumgame, but not a trait present in literally any of her towngames.
I never thought I would give mastina such a easy town lean but I don't feel there's an agenda by her tone here and I always get the feeling she has an agenda to her reads when scum.-
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I've procastinated today and didn't re:read the game but...yeah I think I'm just going to keep going from here, I'm getting a good grasp here already. Maybe.
I'll try to check out Adorable case/meta another day, out of respect for mastina I'm putting him a bracket below what I would normally have him as
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Could you be more straightforward with your posts?In post 366, eyestott wrote:
Fast forward to now, and what have I learned? I have no idea. I don't think this plan of mine actually achieved anything other than confusing everyone and distracting myself from actual scumhunting. So for that, I apologise. If anyone would like the data from my little experiment (as in when I leaked my role to who) because they think I may have been onto something, I'm more than willing to provide the information.
I'm entertaining reconsidering my read on you because giving people flavours seems fairly useless for a scum role in madness setup (is the setup roles randomly generated though? I don't quite understand "madness setups" other than there's lot of weirds roles and madness), but your posting is really lackluster.
RVS you spent a lot of your posts making silly content while there was already useful discussion going around
Your posts there were really awkward and sounding like you wanted to fit in, especially your early unvote.
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This seems vague so I mean as in: what you felt back there etc, and was you into anything other than crumbing your role?In post 373, Churros wrote:What was going on in your mind in early game?-
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VOTE: TitusIn post 380, Titus wrote:
How do you have Suji as town? How do you have EP as an unsorted afterthought?In post 371, Churros wrote:I've procastinated today and didn't re:read the game but...yeah I think I'm just going to keep going from here, I'm getting a good grasp here already. Maybe.
I'll try to check out Adorable case/meta another day, out of respect for mastina I'm putting him a bracket below what I would normally have him as
[Chronos]
[Suji, Mastina, Adorable]
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[Titus, Eyesott]
I had already explained in the above post my position in Suji, and I have also talked about how I haven't really read much of the game, skimmed a lot. It's somewhat apparent I wouldn't have a grasp in EP's situation, and Chronos x EP in this past posts have been so much theory oriented I have began to skim it as well.
I don't like you asking me about EP when I've stated multiple times to not have a hold on every slot yet but it's ok, something still relatively normal/natural to post/question.
Now, asking me about Suji when I explained in the post above seems like you trying to look busy. Skimming my posts would be fine as well but why question my read list when you've not even read my post explaining it?-
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Do you feel like she's not? Can you point out an example?In post 382, EspressoPatronum wrote:Titus... are you reading my posts?
Because in my case she was clearly not reading my posts but kind of pretending she is.-
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I'll give this an detailed explanation to get some things out of the way.In post 394, Titus wrote:That's literally impossible to not have a read on EP though. It's so baffling. To not even take a position on EP is so baffling that it's either scum faking it or town so not reading the game as to not be taken seriously at all. The nonsensical and incomprehensible waffling on Suji despite him being a townread doesn't help either.
You aren't misconveying anything as much as you legitimately say nothing and are proud of it because it's not a "gamestate" read.
The sole reason for this alt is to play this game casually, only doing what I feel comfortable doing. I only replaced in this game because I've a objective of always being in 2 to 3 games during the year so that I always have something to read when I feel like playing, but not too many or large for me to get overwhelmed.
That said, it's nothing personal, but I find this game somewhat distasteful at least currently. There's a lot of unnecesary walls and everyone playstyle here seems to write lenghty/wordy overanalysis that I often don't feel like reading. 10 pages of this game might as well have as many words as 20 or even 25 of some other games because of those walls, that sometimes don't go anywhere interesting by the end.
I didn't feel like reading them so I skipped a lot of posts and focused on some posts/ISOs that I felt were sticking out. As a personal philosophy I often find those analytical posts meaningless, when I play scum those are the easiest to fake.
I don't feel like going back and reading this game in particular therefore I'm mostly only reading the game after I replaced in, and even then if I sense you post is going nowhere like some discussion on mafia theory that happened in the last pages, I'm skipping it and calling it NAI.-
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YesIn post 475, gobbledygook wrote:
Do you think effort can be easily seen through just posts in the main thread?In post 473, alimdia wrote:
Last town game I played with him he definitely put way less effort in and way less postsIn post 370, Churros wrote:Gobble from 0 to 10, how much you enjoy playing scum and again from 0 to 10 how much effort do you usually put in your scum games?
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I'm dropping my TR on Sujimichi for now, he began to post questions and posts that I don't see a lot of purpose behind, the kind of thing that makes them look busy while I don't feel they are.
I've also read to some extent Adorable scum game that mastina linked and yeah, she's very overly analytical there just like she seems to be here, she sounded a bit lighter and more natural in her recently finished game with me Mini Normal 2124.
I just thought effort was equal to town for her, I didn't expect to see her putting so much effort in her scum game posts when she literally flaked often on her marathon scum games for what I assume was a dislike of the alignment.
I may or may not be confusing whoever I saw flake on marathons too, but I don't think it was someone else. I vaguely remember a jigglypuff or the name adorable.-
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uhIn post 484, TemporalLich wrote:Adorable has requested replacement.Deadline will remain frozen until a replacement is found for both BP and Adorable.-
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I thought you would be the type to put significantly less effort as scum than you admitted you do, but that's not really all.
I don't have any specific reason other than I liked more the vibe of your opening than the vibe of your most recent posting
It had a lighter/carefree tone to it, kinda. I don't have any bad pings from you though, I just don't place confidence on you being town right now.-
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I could quote some phrases which made me think that but that's too much work
off the top of my head I remember you posting huge commentary walls but also saying hi to people in thread in a friendly way, posting emojis at the middle of the text, saying things like "Town core: Activatem Scum core: Die!" etc. It may seem minor but I get my reads on minor things.
You were serious business while at the same time not being serious business which made me get a warm feeling on you that I don't really have right now for some reason.-
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Do you think that the replace out is scum indicative though?In post 538, gobbledygook wrote:
I don’t have the moral guilt of voting for Adorable anymore.In post 536, EspressoPatronum wrote:
Why did her replacing change your feeling about the vote?In post 534, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: Adorable
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I had no answers about EP from Titus that apparently has him as "lockscum". I asked twice after she asked for me to give a opinion on EP.
Ok. I read her entire ISO calmly.
She's full of shit. Even if you scum read EP there's no "lockscum" there and you assume for little reason that hydra + EP + BP are partners.
I feel you're really completely full of shit. I hard SR the slot right now and I don't know why everyone isn't voting there yet.
I can see Adorable flipping scum because of meta but with the replace out I feel it's kind of fifty/fifty, while Titus is just...scummy.
@Gobble why adorable and not titus?
@Espresso why are you not voting her when from your POV she probably should be #1 suspect?
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I've mixed feelings.
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I still think Titus is the most likely scum slot here, but I don't think she is likely a EP partner. I wouldn't say it's impossible though, no one should completely clear her if EP is scum, but yeah I would give her some credit.
Titus scum read on EP seems forced no matter how I look at it, even if I do have to some degree a scum read on Espresso for the way he handled the adorable wagon. Titus hard scum read on him though came way before that and it lacks any kind of real progression or her weightning possibilities. It's just a mindless replay of "EP scum, EP scum, EP scum" with little to no reason even when I tried to interact with her.
Mastina read on pisskop also feels similar. I get thinking pisskop the lurker slot might be scum, I don't get having 100% confidence on it though and keep voting in other wagons. Both Titus/Mastina scum read pisskop and everyone is hedging on the slot being scum, but no one takes the initiative to push him directly?
I don't know yet who I'm going to choose between flipping EP or Rabid if that's how the wagons are going to look at EoD.
I think EP is more useful to keep around if town, but a more valuable flip either being town or scum because in this gamestate. It would also force Titus my main SR to actually stop hiding behind her awful push if he's town, and I will probably reavalueate my read on her if he's scum.
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I'm gonna leave this here just in case I don't check the game in time
VOTE: Rabid
If it's between EP and Rabid right now I'm choosing Rabid because of his lackluster ISO plus EP is being pushed by the scummiest slot in the table for me.
In hindsight I don't think the flashwagon is bad because regardless of what he flips there's lots of raw info about wagonomics in all major suspects. VCA will look great here for later I think.-
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In post 790, Titus wrote:
First things first. I lied yesterday. I don't have a result. I am just a VT. If that gets me lynched today, so be it. I wasn't about to be flash lynched before the scumreads I thought I had caught.In post 774, Churros wrote:I've even less TRs with that nightkill.
I still SR Titus, and because of mastina kill I might also be looking in [Momo, Pisskop].
I do wonder the chances where this was a fearkill vs mastina was widely town read or another reason though.
Now, onto today's scumhunting.
Gobble, my meta is not bus happy at all as scum. I protect my "babies" as scum. Why are you putting forth that idea? Are you prepping for a world where you cannot lynch me but want to discredit my reads?
EP, fair question on the wagonomics. I'll do that when it's not 4 am.
For some reason...I don't dislike this posts. I find scum!titus more linear, even if it was some kind of confusion, I'm not sure she would confuse her role if she was scum?In post 796, Titus wrote:
I posted in the wrong game. Please disregard the PT Cop and lack of a result discussion.In post 795, gobbledygook wrote:Titus, what result did you imply you would have today?
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I think I wasn't clear. When I saw scum!Egix play, I distinctly remember my scum radar going off on him in the first few pages. His posting seemed...very forced, and his whole nature political not necessarily in his play but also in his tone. It felt like a pseudo-intelectual trying to put up a show of being someone balanced and trustworthy. I don't necessarily town read the slot, I just don't think it's as bad as people are making it out to be.In post 831, gobbledygook wrote:Churros, what is it about today that makes you think Egix is town?
I was just looking at Egix wagon to see how it was formed and this is what I came up with:
You voted Egix first after having voted Suji. No one really seemed much interested in Suji vs You other than a few people. Now after you comes Chronos with a naked vote, alimdia with a naked vote on Egix after saying that NK likely points to momo, and EP says that he's now town reading momo and votes Egix anyway.
Not exactly what I see as a great wagon. Titus vanity voting pisskop when there's momo one of her scum reads with a wagon rivaling Egix also makes me go "hmm".
Like, everyone is been hedging on momo but everyone votes elsewhere?
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I don't like EP going soft on Titus either. It looks more like scum flaking now that Titus is pushing him less than a real read.
Titus was on your ass 24/7 yesterday but only after she goes a bit silent on you, you realize that her aggressiveness can be town-indicative?
(by the way it's definitely not from my experience, scum!titus cases are always horseshit for me while town!Titus cases are more understandable, another reason I was SR the slot)
With all due respect I don't feel scum!Titus knows how to push her cases other than being loud about weird logic. At least it's what I saw from large theme heroes mafia and another game which I don't remember the name.-
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I just realized we've less time than I was imagining until deadline. I might need to check this game more often during this day.
Ali if the NK points to momo, why voting Egix?
I think Chronos is gonna flake out, gonna wait for replacement there.
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I just thought the timing of the switch was odd, like your switch about titus as well.In post 878, EspressoPatronum wrote:Could you link me the relevant scum games you're talking about here? I'd like to look them over to see what you mean.
What's wrong with me townreading momo and voting Egix?
I won't be linking up games because I don't want to out my identity. You can easily search them yourself in her historic.In post 878, EspressoPatronum wrote:I dunno, I just feel like town is more willing to change up their reads for little to no reasons. In addition to finding Titus' actions more likely town than scum, her dramatic shift on me today felt towny. Scum!Titus probably could have kept gunning for me, but she randomly decided to start working with me a bit today.
As above, can you link the Heroes Mafia game for me?
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One more question to you, though others can chime in too. What do you make of the general apathy for the wagons today? I can't make out if today has been slow due to game-related reasons or out-of-game reasons (ie. quarantining).
About the apathy for the wagons I think either scum is all in the lurkers (unlikely) or scum are just happy enough about the gamestate. Throw in a bunch of demotivated townies as well in the recipe. Maybe and just maybe scum don't feel like playing the game though.-
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There's no more time to small talk, we're less than 24 hours to deadline.
It's either Egix or Pisskop by this point. Momo is feeling more and more like a vanity wagon right now. Anything other than those two right now it's a shameless waste of a vote.
I thought pisskop could maybe flip scum because of the mastina nightkill earlier but his wagon really stinks, especially given that I see it as a second deflection of the momo wagon, that also got rivaled by Egix wagon(Egix voters and Pisskop voters are also similar by the way, as is their lack of actual reasons for the votes). Right now I don't think pisskop flips scum at all. It's going to probably be a stupid low-information mislynch that scum got advantage of in EoD. Pisskop lurking isn't alignment indicative and it's scummy whoever has implied that while knowing him. For instance I won a scum game by mislynching pisskop like that, and although unlikely, if I ever get NK'ed you should stop being silly and push either Titus or Momo tomorrow in my place. My mind is at a Titus + Momo team atm.
Between Egix and Pisskop though, I'll take over flipping the useless slot instead of the one I'm roughly ok with.
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It's not surprising, it's just what happened and something to consider in tomorrow analysis.In post 960, Titus wrote:I've always wanted Pisskop as my number 1 SR. Why is it surprising I lead the defectors away from momo v egix?-
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why would we ever no lynch?In post 980, eyestott wrote:But does that make it better to kill him than to no lunch?
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It was cemented that one of you would be lynched when we got to 24 hours to deadline and momo wagon had dissipated because titus wanted to lynch a lurker slot for lurking and everyone for some reason voted it again right after we had mislynched Rabid yesterday.In post 962, Egix96 wrote:By voting pkop, you are only further cementing this.
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Eyesott I don't like one bit your indecision between pisskop and momo, because I'm viewing it as you wanting to eat your cake and have it too
If you:
1) don't want to lynch pisskop
2) think momo is scummy
there's no other action to do here other than voting Momo. Right now I'm see'ing your behavior as not wanting to take responsability for pisskop mislynch tomorrow, at the same time you want to call momo scummy without having him lynched.
Momo wagon right now is kinda of too late though, but voting it would be a begin if that's how you feel?-
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