Mini 2127 - Fairly Special [Game Over]

[EspressoPatronum]

V excited for the full claim today.

That would just get conf townies killed. This isn't lylo right? so why massclaim?

Considering your most recent questions to Egix and eyestott, you're most of the way to wanting a mass claim, too. But to answer your question, I have two reasons to claim today.

1)

A Mech Solve

we have a proven duplicator (gobble), flavour revealer (me), and treestumper (Churros). We also likely have some sort of watcher (Egix), role flavourer (eyestott), an unclaimed mason, and an unknown role. There's probably a mech solve in there somewhere. Delaying the massclaim makes any potential solves harder to execute if they require us to confirm claimed actions. The downside to a claim is, as you said, that it puts our PRs at risk.

Gobble mentioned this earlier, but we really should be using his role to help solve. I don't know why Egix has 'watched' anyone else but gobble tbh. We can offset the dangers of a potential scum!gobble by leashing his role.

2)

Fake Claims

In addition to the mech solve potential, forcing scum to commit to fakeclaims can be useful. It gives them less wiggle room in the future. Looking back through pk's ISO, his tracker claim and supposed night actions were sus (specifically his Churros track), but we didn't scrutinize his claim well enough.

Even if everyone doesn't mass claim today, eyestott absolutely needs to fullclaim. Something doesn't add up with him, and I'd like to figure that out today.

This game is so so messy from the gambit lol

We can't be certain of the extent of the gambit and/or whether it was actually a gambit at all. I'm waiting until alimdia weighs in before jumping to conclusions.

Me weighing in on what? I already said enough yesterday.

You weighing in on whether the guilty was fake +/ how you knew Eve was town.

Genuine question - are you witholding information for the sake of it, or are you protecting information that is damaging to town if it gets out? If it's the former, you witholding the information may prevent us from comboing your role with another. If it's the latter, nothing I say will really matter because it'll be a judgment call for you.

[EspressoPatronum]

Other than the JoAT, he was in the best position to know PK is guilty, yet he barely did anything yesterday.

That's because I still didn't know for a fact that he was scum (because of how limited my info is) and as I said before, I thought he was gonna be just another ML bait slot.

So if pkop being checked N1 by the mailman wasn't actually a thing, then I wonder why I still saw that he had been targeted by someone. Does him being given his flavour count towards that or something??

How does your target selection work? If you choose, how come you didn't pick gobble?

RE: flavour, I'm fairly certain it counted as an N0 action bcz we got it D1. Maybe @eyestott can clear that up.

[EspressoPatronum]

End of day 3?
You’re a flavorer and a JoAT?

No, that's the contents of the message he received yesterday

[EspressoPatronum]

My position on massclaim has changed. Basically, I am PoEd to be the mason at this point.

:O

I thought you were the JoAT but I also had that you could be the mason based off yesterday.

Her early TR of Chronos(Bingle) and her skepticism of Eve's mason fakeclaim were two things that stood out for mason!Titus.

It's probably for the better that you said it was Eve though, as that bought Titus an extra day.

In other news I burn a ratatouille dish I was making. Overcooked the tomatoes and zucchini

Ah rip

[EspressoPatronum]

@Egix

Who did you target last night + what was the result?

And if it wasn't gobble, why?

[EspressoPatronum]

Consider my vote on Egix. I'll wait for the claims before locking it in.

[EspressoPatronum]

Firstly, the reason for my own flavour.
Being from Australia, you’ll notice that I spell it as flavour, not the American ‘Flavor’.
So when I saw that my role name was “Town Informed Role Flavorer”, my first thought was “I cannot let this slide.”
Hence why I made my flavour “Town Informed Role Flavourer*”

This is fantastic. As a Canadian, I 100% support your spelling of flavour.

When you're on tomorrow, can you please fullclaim? I'd like to see if we can work out how to use my role with yours.

[EspressoPatronum]

@Egix

Who did you target last night + what was the result?

And if it wasn't gobble, why?

No one, because I was still chilled.

Ah I see. I didn't realize it lasts a full day+night cycle.

I see now that TL posted you'd be chilled until D4.

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As I'm coming around to Egix again, I'm reminded of this post below. The highlighted portion applies to today as much as it did to D2.

With my suspicion of Egix and gobble, Titus' earlier post is making a lot more sense now:

@EP, That's pointless unless you are suggesting that Gobble and Egix are partners.[...]

I don't think the VCA suggests that at all. Why do you think it does?

Egix looking for a fast lynch otherwise is NAI and time wasting.

Limiting the amount of information generated in D1 (or any day, really) is a net win for scum.

You misinterpreted my question though. I'm asking why you think the VCA could suggest a Gobble + Egix pairing.

Unless Gobble plus Egix is a team, then Egix targeting any wagon is just a playstyle diversion and OMGUS.

If my recollection serves, I don't think gobble went onto Egix yesterday. This would further solidify the fact that Egix and gobble have been avoiding each other's wagons. It's possible he is now bussing Egix.

I'm happy to vote Egix today. If he flips scum, we should seriously consider gobble next

.

While gobble's stance on Egix changed today, his earlier behaviour is still relevant.

As stated in the quote, we should look at gobble next if Egix flips scum today.

[EspressoPatronum]

If Egix is scum I think Alimidia is the partner

Good to know.

Can you walk me through why?

[EspressoPatronum]

My bet is it was funneled through EP, not Egix. Remember Pisskop implied he had more shots. That doesn't happen if Egix dies.

But let's flip Egix then I die. EP coasts. Sounds good?

I'm a proven flavour revealer. How do you propose I "funneled" information to pisskop for his fake tracker claim?

How has any of my gameplay been coasting thus far? Since it hasn't, why do you assume I would start coasting after Egix dies?

[EspressoPatronum]

If you're locking your read on EP I could entertain sheeping you today rather than defaulting to Egix.

I must say I'm interested in how much fire your reads have. I'm beginning, and only beginning to be honest, to get impressed, and if EP is a stronger read than Egix, maybe we should go there.

You said PK was your strongest read and we didn't hear you. I can hear you now for today, it isn't LyLo either way.

Are you locking that read? Are you as confident on it as you were in PK and Shuichi?

Same methods?

Sheeping Titus yesterday would have "cleared" pk due to the fake JOAT and likely resulted in my death. Sheeping her onto me today probably won't lose the game, as we likely have one mislynch left, but it will certainly set you back tomorrow. You'll be down one of the most vocal town AND your mason, leaving gobble to run the show.

I'm also VERY interested to hear whatever methods Titus has employed to scum read me so hard. The best I can tell, she's confusing her distaste for my gameplay with a scumread.

[EspressoPatronum]

[...]
did egix claim?

Not yet

My claim will def open a huge can of worms lol

Looking forward to it!

[EspressoPatronum]

So EP, is this all a major coincidence?

Why should I vote Egix over you?

I'll directly respond to your VCA in a moment, but here's why I'm not scum:

If I was scum, you would be dead

. I have two reasons in support of this:

1. I suspected you were the mason

When you look through my ISO, you'll see that 1) I was confident you were an important role, and 2) I knew you weren't the JOAT. I did everything I could to tell you I thought you were the mason without actually saying it bcz you were adamant that the mason should stay hidden. When someone asked about Eve claiming mason, you'll see that I corrected them by saying gobble guessed Eve was mason and Eve didn't deny it. My defence of the JOAT staying hidden was bcz I thought Eve

2. You've been tunneling me literally all game

You have been unrelenting from day 1. I don't like 1v1s + I prefer to use teamwork to win. Your tunneling on me this game has been so annoying that even if I didn't think you were the mason, I'd have killed you way earlier.


As to why you should vote Egix, he's playing a reactive game. Most of my gameplay has been proactive. You can see for yourself if your just read our respective ISOs.

[EspressoPatronum]

VC 1.2

EspressoPatronum (4) - Team STRQ, mastina, Chronos, Egix96
Chronos (2) - eyestott, BP
BSG (1) - EspressoPatronum
Adorable (1) - alimdia
Team STRQ (1) - Rabid Schnauzer
BP (1) - Titus

Not voting: BSG, Shadowlesscloud, Adorable

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-04-02 21:40:44) or when a lynch is reached.

EP wagon...dead dead dead, scum suspect

Wrong. STRQ = gobble.
Two dead, two scum suspects.

BP scum is chain sawing Chronos

EP is voting dead slot (BSG is Eve)

You know these are RVS votes, right?

My reasoning for voting BSG was because I didn't know what it stood for. BP voted Chronos because he doesn't like Titans. "Chainsawing" is a major stretch there.

I can't believe this and the "BP+EP connection" formed the basis for such a strong scumread against me.

VC 1.15

Rabid Schnauzer (3) - momo, mastina, eyestott
EspressoPatronum (3) - Rabid Schnauzer, Titus, gobbledygook
Titus (2) - Churros, EspressoPatronum
Egix96 (2) - Chronos, alimdia
momo (1) - Egix96
Chronos (1) - pisskop

Not voting: Sujimichi

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-04-06 07:00:00) or when a lynch is reached.

VC 1.16

Rabid Schnauzer (6) - momo, mastina, eyestott, Churros, EspressoPatronum, pisskop [L-1]

EspressoPatronum (3) - Rabid Schnauzer, Titus, gobbledygook
Egix96 (2) - Chronos, alimdia
momo (1) - Egix96

Not voting: Sujimichi

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-04-06 07:00:00) or when a lynch is reached.

Churros is V/LA during the weekend.

Scum confirmed preferring an RS over EP.

Also two confirmed town preferring RS. Mastina made compelling case against RS.

VC 1.18

Rabid Schnauzer (7) - momo, mastina, eyestott, Churros, EspressoPatronum, Titus, gobbledygook [LYNCH!]

Egix96 (2) - Chronos, alimdia
EspressoPatronum (1) - Rabid Schnauzer
momo (1) - Egix96
mastina (1) - pisskop

Not voting: Sujimichi

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-04-06 07:00:00) or when a lynch is reached.

Churros is V/LA during the weekend.

Scum EP revotes here once scum PK gets off.

You swapped to RS for

the exact same reasons I did

. Does that make you scum? No, because that would be absurd.


As I demonstrated earlier, your VCA lacks the context of the votes at the time they were made. The "truth" presented by your VCA is a lie.

[EspressoPatronum]

Hardly, my VCA says you're scum OR the townbeard. You could be a traitor as well.

I was asked to case you specifically. Also my VCA never includes context. It's usually right.

What is a townbeard?

[EspressoPatronum]

Also, ofc your VCA is going to usually be right if you say it points to someone being town OR scum, lol.

[EspressoPatronum]

Hardly, my VCA says you're scum OR the townbeard. You could be a traitor as well.

I was asked to case you specifically. Also my VCA never includes context. It's usually right.

What is a townbeard?

A town that tries their best but might as well be an additional scumfuck.

Lmao ok.

[EspressoPatronum]

Ok, you can vote Egix if you finally want to be protown EP.

VC 3.8

pisskop

(5) - Eve,

EspressoPatronum

, gobbledygook, Churros, eyestott [LYNCH!]

Eve (2) - pisskop,

Titus

eyestott (1) - alimdia

Not voting:

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2020-04-29 17:00:00) or when a lynch is reached.

Churros is V/LA until April 28th.

What do you call a townbeard who's more useful than your mason?


I'll vote Egix once we assess alimdia's claim.

[EspressoPatronum]

Ok, you can vote Egix if you finally want to be protown EP.

VC 3.8

pisskop

(5) -

Eve

,

EspressoPatronum

, gobbledygook, Churros, eyestott [LYNCH!]

Eve

(2) -

pisskop

,

Titus

eyestott (1) - alimdia

Not voting:

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2020-04-29 17:00:00) or when a lynch is reached.

Churros is V/LA until April 28th.

What do you call a townbeard who's more useful than your mason?


I'll vote Egix once we assess alimdia's claim.

Edited with more colours to really spell it out for you.

[EspressoPatronum]

Ok, you can vote Egix if you finally want to be protown EP.

VC 3.8

pisskop

(5) -

Eve

,

EspressoPatronum

, gobbledygook, Churros, eyestott [LYNCH!]

Eve

(2) -

pisskop

,

Titus

eyestott (1) - alimdia

Not voting:

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2020-04-29 17:00:00) or when a lynch is reached.

Churros is V/LA until April 28th.

What do you call a townbeard who's more useful than your mason?


I'll vote Egix once we assess alimdia's claim.

Edited with more colours to really spell it out for you.

Voting after a guilty doesn't matter. That day was all about a guilty or the legitimacy thereof. I had tunneled Pisskop before Eve made up a guilty. Doubting a liar is absolutely normal.

There it is. The "context" of your vote suddenly matters when the VCA narrative doesn't go your way. You'd probably be able to see that if you weren't blinded by hypocrisy and delusion.

[EspressoPatronum]

So EP, is this all a major coincidence?

Why should I vote Egix over you?

I'll directly respond to your VCA in a moment, but here's why I'm not scum:

If I was scum, you would be dead

. I have two reasons in support of this:

1. I suspected you were the mason

When you look through my ISO, you'll see that 1) I was confident you were an important role, and 2) I knew you weren't the JOAT. I did everything I could to tell you I thought you were the mason without actually saying it bcz you were adamant that the mason should stay hidden. When someone asked about Eve claiming mason, you'll see that I corrected them by saying gobble guessed Eve was mason and Eve didn't deny it. My defence of the JOAT staying hidden was bcz I thought Eve

2. You've been tunneling me literally all game

You have been unrelenting from day 1. I don't like 1v1s + I prefer to use teamwork to win. Your tunneling on me this game has been so annoying that even if I didn't think you were the mason, I'd have killed you way earlier.


As to why you should vote Egix, he's playing a reactive game. Most of my gameplay has been proactive. You can see for yourself if your just read our respective ISOs.

its slightly WIFOM. claim coming.

The WIFOM is offset by the numerous posts I made about Titus' role. I can quote them if you'd like.

[EspressoPatronum]

Firstly, Egix's claim uses info that is already commonly known.

Secondly, if we think about it, Egix being scum makes sense because that wagon yesterday on pisskop...
Also I can say that with Egix chilled last day,

IF

Egix was town, then that means that there was 5 town and 3 scum that could vote.
TO get 5 votes for a majority, with pisskop being scum, all 5 town would have to vote pisskop, unless theres some bussing, which I wouldn't see why scum would bus when it would take a literal all town wagon to lynch pisskop.

This is a great point! I hadn't thought of the numbers required for the lynch.

Now... the wagon on pisskop would never get to 5 votes without me, because I'm town. The reason why I'm not on the wagon will soon be apparent
Hence, Egix has to be scum.

Same with EP. Do I need to claim here?

In light of your above post and Egix's claim, I'm comfortable voting Egix regardless of your full claim.

You should assess the prospects of your full claim with the following in mind: Titus will probably die tonight. As an undisputed mason, she's almost guaranteed to die.

If I were you, I would consider fullclaiming if it benefitted from any of the following:
1. It might buy Titus another night bcz you're somehow a bigger threat to scum,
2. You might buy yourself a free night because Titus will take the night kill, or
3. You have information that we absolutely need before you die.

If your claim doesn't achieve or benefit from any of the above, you can probably wait another day. For curiosity's sake, I'd like to hear your claim, but it may not be necessary from a mechanical standpoint.

[EspressoPatronum]

Intent to hammer.

Heading to sleep now. I'll lock it in if he's still alive in about 8 hours.

[EspressoPatronum]

[...]
Sorry for my inactivity, friends. Worrisome times with my father right now. I may need to go on V/LA for a few days to clear my head.

Take all the time you need. Family comes first.

[EspressoPatronum]

VOTE: Egix

[EspressoPatronum]

This is me saying I flip town.

Oof. Kk, who's the remaining scum?

[EspressoPatronum]

Second, we had 3 v 2 wtf

3v2 but you got treestumped by scum!Churros, making it 2v2 for the day.

[EspressoPatronum]

Gg all. Hats off to the scum team. It's a bit unfortunate that we didn't know we were in mylo, but you all played well.

Thanks for running it, TL! I was really hoping my role would have some significance -- did you have a specific interaction in mind when you created the flavourer + flavour revealer?

Sorry I scumread you, gobble :p

[EspressoPatronum]

I was expecting eyestott to be an IC in power

Ah, I see.

As mastina posted above + we mentioned in game, the role flavourer could have been town or scum. Role =/= alignment, especially in role madness.

[...]
As for the flavor stuff, I wanted a type of IC that needed to crumb to reveal. That didn't work in practice.

Good to know for next time.

[EspressoPatronum]

Yeah, didn't help the mod outright stated 2 scum not 3 so none of the town thought it was anywhere near lylo.

... when did I say this?

If you're talking about the flip, the flip was not supposed to clue into how many scum exist.

I didn't read into the flip text at all. No worries!

[EspressoPatronum]

I feel we could have this exact same game and it would be balanced, as long as we reversed beam splitter/treestumper alignments.

+1. Going into today, I thought it was gobble + alim.

The beam splitter would be a really cool scum role. You'd have to decide whether to target town (potentially doubling protective actions on them) or your scum buddies (reducing protective actions but risking a doubled investigate action hitting them).

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@alim - what was your fake claim plan? I regret not forcing the mass claim before flipping Egix, but I'm wondering if it would have made a difference.