Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Pink Ball]

Lol neighborizer is by far the worst

In want to be a cop train

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Choo choo're under arrest

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mastina is in the game so lets let mafia kill who they please

Night Kill analysis in this playerlist is viable

as in, it's my favorite analysis no one trusts or does and I just want to have fun

what's wrong with having fun

My kind of player.

Hectic we're building a fun bloc, wanna join?

[Pink Ball]

mastina is in the game so lets let mafia kill who they please

Night Kill analysis in this playerlist is viable

as in, it's my favorite analysis no one trusts or does and I just want to have fun

what's wrong with having fun

My kind of player.

Hectic we're building a fun bloc, wanna join?

Lul, you know I'm in.

Btw, random thought, but what if we select Train Cop, and then have everyone in the playerlist either

Train

, or

Train Cop Check

the person who's next in the list. That way, the scum who did the kill has a chance to be caught out, since they can't claim they were Training, since there's a 50% chance of the person behind them checking them. And they'll have to claim whether the person in front of them was Training or not. Actually, I just realised this has problems since scum could be next to each other, and order of claims matters a lot. Never mind. (Unless someone smarter than me can see another way).

Pretty sure the scum who did the nightkill would claim that they train cop checked and that would be the end of it

[Pink Ball]

Ooooh I get it

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Training Cop is an excellent option for town to strategize. This prevents lying on what actions people take. If the player list all train cops a different person, we can chastisize the scumteam's abilities if we all train and give result-context to any night kill. Town gains more XP than Scum in this manner.

We can't Train and Train Cop simultaneously I don't think.

MOD

Please clarify.

Read the rules

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Can I be the leader of the quest??

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Only if you share it with me, Pink Ball. We should ration leadership out.

That's a given

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^Have you PM'd your quest participation.

No

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Yes because sounds fun!!

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I'm not very good at mechanics but recently I've trying to get better and this seems to be a mechanic-heavy game so it will be a learning experience and I want to have the full experience

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Also you wouldn't believe it but my role suits me VERY well

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Like, I played Gloomhaven with some friends for a while (one of them went to study abroad so we left it on standby) and I picked the same role I got in here so I'm excited

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You guys think the item we get depends on who the leader is?? Like, role related?

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Not voting (7)- Pink Ball, Ginngie, Lady Chloe, Flight of the Conchords, Not Known 15, Farkset, Ame

Pink Ball and I are leading the best wagon ever

You know it

[Pink Ball]

I see some votes on spring and I think they come mostly because of playstyle rather than an actual scumread

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I'm aware of Hectic being more serious than I'm used to, but that seems to be because of spring putting him on the spot rather than an alignment thing. It's a new angle for me.

No I don't think it's AI for spring, that's what I meant

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@PB why is spring not reevaluating his thoughs? He got quite solid feedback from people but instead of doubt he persist even more.
~ker

That seems about right and consistent with her playstyle and personality

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What can I do for you

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My comment on the state of the game is that one scum is voting you no matter what your alignment is. If you're town, they want to discredit you because of your open leadership proposal. If you're scum, it would be distancing

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Was them who proposed the End Day quickly? I don't think scum would do that unless one of their partners are looking bad

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Nope. I would have addressed it if that was the case

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My comment on the state of the game is that one scum is voting you no matter what your alignment is. If you're town, they want to discredit you because of your open leadership proposal. If you're scum, it would be distancing

Can you clarify what are your reads based on this? There were only a very few votes on springlullaby at the moment of this post, what made you think that there is scum among them?

You admitted the possibility of SvS votes - why should a scumteam that includes springlullaby orchestrate this theater, this early in the game?

-Farkran

Nope. I would have addressed it if that was the case

spring asked me if I thought one of the voters was scummier than the other and I answered this. I'm still thinking.

Why this early? Exactly, why this early. Because spring is the loudest player and is taking all the attention. If spring gets lynched, one of the early pushers becomes a solid leader; if one of the pushers gets lynched, spring gets the leadership and that's even worse because of playstyle (she'd be a great scum leader leading town).

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What if mafia is assigned to train cop the mafia inside the quest so they're free to do what they want

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What I mean is that if mafia is asigned to train cop another mafia, they can do both 'cause they can lie

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The leader gets one XP without training??

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@Fark
@Hectic
@momo

You guys never try to evolve or learn from your mistakes, do you? Always surface level reads and always trying to fit the game narrative to your preconceived delusional way of seeing things.

P.S. If Ame is town aligned then add her to the list above.

-Jemaine

Woah

[Pink Ball]

@Fark
@Hectic
@momo

You guys never try to evolve or learn from your mistakes, do you? Always surface level reads and always trying to fit the game narrative to your preconceived delusional way of seeing things.

P.S. If Ame is town aligned then add her to the list above.

-Jemaine

Woah

Care to share your thoughts?

What do you want to know

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Hahaha you fucked that quote up twice

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"Interesting" is a powerful word, but there's no reason to use it

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That being said:

VOTE: Disable Strongman

HURT: Pine

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That being said:

VOTE: Disable Strongman

HURT: Pine

Pine looks like the weirdest choice in this gamestate… why would you vote there?

-Farkran

Exactly

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Do you really want to hurt me?
Do you really want to make me cry?

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Oh my

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Hectic I want to play that game can I be the next one after Ginngie?

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I don't know why but I have this feeling that Fark is scum but it doesn't feel like a genuine thought of mine

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I like this

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That question is like so mechanically oriented tho, I think pros and cons have been already discussed

Ask me if I want to capture or not based on said pros and cons and it would be a better question

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I think that not capturing has the same vibe that not lynching has. Would you no lynch on D1 because we don't have enough info? No, because the lynch per se is what gives the most info about players.

We capture someone, and then combined with later flips we get better and stronger cases on players' intentions. Not capturing is saving your money under your mattress. Guess what, you're losing money.

[Pink Ball]

I think that not capturing has the same vibe that not lynching has. Would you no lynch on D1 because we don't have enough info? No, because the lynch per se is what gives the most info about players.

We capture someone, and then combined with later flips we get better and stronger cases on players' intentions. Not capturing is saving your money under your mattress. Guess what, you're losing money.

Pink,

I think that lynch + alignment is what give information.
Lynch is informative only retroactively because alignment is revealed.

Don't you agree?

Yes, but if the captured player's alignment is revealed later either because gets lynched or vigged or nightkilled, it adds more information too.

I'm talking way ahead, like let's say D4. "Hey Pink why the fuck did you vote capture on Pine when spring was the main wagon and she was scum with a powerful role, were you trying to derail the wagon?". Fuck yeah you got me, you got me good.

While no capturing has no risks, it has no risks for scum either. You give scum the space to not give info that could be damning later.

[Pink Ball]

Pros of Capturing:

• Can examine wagons/votes for later.
  
• Capturing scum blocks their ability.

Cons of Capturing:

• Potential to block town PRs, or force them to claim.
  
• Wagon information is less useful as it's not that harmful for scum to bus.
  
• No information from a flip.

I think we No Capture.

Hmmm didn't think about the bus part, you're right about that

[Pink Ball]

Pros of Capturing:

• Can examine wagons/votes for later.
  
• Capturing scum blocks their ability.

Cons of Capturing:

• Potential to block town PRs, or force them to claim.
  
• Wagon information is less useful as it's not that harmful for scum to bus.
  
• No information from a flip.

I think we No Capture.

Pros of Capturing:

• Can examine wagons/votes for later.
  
• Capturing scum blocks their ability.

Cons of Capturing:

• Potential to block town PRs, or force them to claim.
  
• Wagon information is less useful as it's not that harmful for scum to bus.
  
• No information from a flip.

I think we No Capture.

Hmmm didn't think about the bus part, you're right about that

And by the way bussing is beneficial to town anyways so why is it part of the Con list? Let them bus on capture. I mean scum can bus on lynches too, it's up to us to determine whether they did

-Farkran

I thought capturing only roleblocked, didn't consider the XP thing. I'm back on the capture train

[Pink Ball]

I think that not capturing has the same vibe that not lynching has. Would you no lynch on D1 because we don't have enough info? No, because the lynch per se is what gives the most info about players.

We capture someone, and then combined with later flips we get better and stronger cases on players' intentions. Not capturing is saving your money under your mattress. Guess what, you're losing money.

Pink,

I think that lynch + alignment is what give information.
Lynch is informative only retroactively because alignment is revealed.

Don't you agree?

Yes, but if the captured player's alignment is revealed later either because gets lynched or vigged or nightkilled, it adds more information too.

I'm talking way ahead, like let's say D4. "Hey Pink why the fuck did you vote capture on Pine when spring was the main wagon and she was scum with a powerful role, were you trying to derail the wagon?". Fuck yeah you got me, you got me good.

While no capturing has no risks, it has no risks for scum either. You give scum the space to not give info that could be damning later.

Pink,

I get what you are saying, but we are not D4.
And to reprise an earlier image of yours, the money is already in the bank for today.
Wouldn't you agree?

But we will be on D4 eventually and that's were important decisions should be made, not in D1.

And yes I agree but shhhh I didn't want to reveal that yet 'cause there's still more info we can get

[Pink Ball]

I addressed that after, Jemaine. It's information that is useless alone, but later in the game will be useful

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Also we're voting disable strongman right?

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I don't know why but I have this feeling that Fark is scum but it doesn't feel like a genuine thought of mine

This would be a weird thing for scum to say.

This was a joke because of this post actually, I think it was a pretty solid joke

<subliminal interlude>

FARK IS SCUM

</subliminal interlude>

[Pink Ball]

Pink Ball,

I think that not capturing has the same vibe that not lynching has. Would you no lynch on D1 because we don't have enough info? No, because the lynch per se is what gives the most info about players.

We capture someone, and then combined with later flips we get better and stronger cases on players' intentions. Not capturing is saving your money under your mattress. Guess what, you're losing money.

Say that capturing is always net positive for town here, where do you believe the votes should be going?

I don't know, that's why I'm not endorsing any capture yet (I mean I'm on Pine but that's not real)

[Pink Ball]

And even if spring was scum which is unlikely, roleblocking a claimed voyeur is not ideal

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How is voyeur a +EV scum role?

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spring please stop doing that

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Thank you!!

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Pink Ball

(1) Have you made any progress on your Hectic read?
(2) What do you make of his progression here:

Spoiler:

Hectic,
I thought I dismantled all your reasons for scumSpring?

I thought you wanted to capture springlullaby a little while ago because she was lowering morale/spirits? Pushing her as leader encourages her behaviour and does the opposite.

Honestly, I have no idea what alignment springlullaby is, but I would feel really bad if she was scum and I townread her for this play. Admittedly, my vote is very biased.

I changed my mind on Spring in 549. Your reasons for voting Spring were shown to be deficient in 585 and 602.

Your reasons for voting Spring were shown to be deficient in 585 and 602.

Can you address this, Hectic? I'm trying to understand why you're pushing for Spring capture when you no longer have a valid reason for doing so.

grumble grumble
Fine. My vote is entirely biased at this point. Now, the question is where I should be voting instead.

Wait, no. I admit I'm trying to find reasons to scumread her, but:
-Her unprompted claim. Not bringing it up at any point after.
-745
-Her reads/takes completely disalign with my own.

I don't see anywhere else that's better right now.

-The unprompted claim seemed pretty townie though. I've never seen scum claim in that fashion, have you? FoC's is far more suspicious because it was for justification purposes.
-What is scummy about 745?
-What is scummy about that? Are your reads strong?

I don't think in your heart (or possibly mind) you really believe she is scum. Don't let the bias cloud your judgment! If Spring is just a fallback why haven't you pushed anyone else? Also why do you keep engaging with Spring when clearly nothing is coming out of your interaction except a loop of 'NO U'

Sigh, who should I vote then, Ame? I think Pink Ball, Giingie, and momo are probably worth looking into.

I could go Pink Ball or momo. Do you not town lean Giingie? I thought you like their response before?

HURT: momo

(3) 718 !

(1) Yes, I did my homework. Hectic being serious instead of jokey joke is NAI. Being intimidated and awkward, instead, are scumtraits from him. I don't think he has shown any of those traits while being pressured by spring.
(2) Combined with what I said in (1), it looks much more like a town realizing they're tunneled rather than a scum who got in the spotlight of a fake read and it's trying to back off because of self awareness
(3) You make my heart go brrrr

And to answer your question about leadership: I'm ok with voting, I have not decided who I want to vote. I'm between spring and you, both with something in common, both with an opposite approach: I'm townreading both of you, but one has a confrontational approach that could be helpful 'cause it's harder to pocket or control by scum, and the other is a conciliator that can make town work together instead of pull it apart.

I'm inclined to the first option only because I think it would be funnier

[Pink Ball]

Farkran,

See what occurs when I am displeased?

My psyche is split between two dimensions that impact both at once.

I must assassinate my clone to retain sanity. Good morning to you.

Best post of the game so far

[Pink Ball]

I decided I want Ame as the leader and

HURT: momo

That would be all

[Pink Ball]

I'm not a wallpost fan so I'm not really contributing a lot but I'm glad you guys are having fun!

[Pink Ball]

Reposting for your convenience:

Yes, I did my homework. Hectic being serious instead of jokey joke is NAI. Being intimidated and awkward, instead, are scumtraits from him.

Would you mind providing examples? Particularly of him being serious as town and of what you mean by awkward.

Also Pink, how do these impact your view:

Spoiler:

@clidd @dsj sheep me for win let's goooooo

God if you're town here

You know what, let's give this a spin. VOTE: Ame

You've felt opportunistic today, Ame. I think you were hoping some of us would latch onto your Doro scumread with how you were pushing it earlier, but now choose to evaporate it into thin air when no one does.

Wait a second I just noticed a contradiction:

You had literally not included me on any of your scum reads and the one time you said that it was me I changed your mind because you thought one of my comments was funny. You are the one being inconsistent.

dsj if you knew I was scumreading you before

why did you think neighbors were confirmed town to each other

? Surely you would have picked up that it wasn't the case from the way I was treating you?

Lul, I respect how cocky you are if you're scum. Unsure if I should be townreading or scumreading how you keep shifting attention/focus.

Coukd you explain why AaronFF was your third strongest scumread start of day and now seems to be your strongest townread?

I didn't answer on purpose.

Why would my read change with respect to those posts?

[Pink Ball]

Is anyone willing to settle on Pink Ball?

Me tbh

[Pink Ball]

Lady, players like Pink have a hard time reading more than a few words. Others want dialogue. I don't know what to do. I'm trying to post in snippets to appease the former.

I dont have a hard time reading "more than a few words", I dislike walls because there are things that could be said with less words, and because real time interactions are far better for getting reads and having fun, and I don't have time to do that because of said walls and because of real life.

So as I said, as long you guys are having fun, I'm ok with seating in the back seat for a while.

[Pink Ball]

And Ame I'm not answering those answers because I can't. Read between lines dude.

[Pink Ball]

Sorry why are we capturing Raya?

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Looks like I made it on time

HURT: spring

And Ame as leader as I said before

[Pink Ball]

Unless Ame is hard townreading scum and will give the item to them lol no pressure Ame we trust you

[Pink Ball]

Shit sorry Ginngie

[Pink Ball]

Flattered and humbled

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Yeah spring wanted Ame out of the quest because Ame was getting leader vibes, it's pretty obvious

[Pink Ball]

Did you think he was scum back when you asked to stay out of the quest? Didn't seem so

[Pink Ball]

Did you think he was scum back when you asked to stay out of the quest? Didn't seem so

spring you ignored this question

[Pink Ball]

Ame, I'd like you to stay out of the quest.
Is that ok?

This was the first time you suggested Ame should stay out of the quest. Could you point me out which of their posts pinged you as scummy? I can't recall you even suggesting that scumread and you've been very vocal about your scumreads' progression.

I'll give it a better look too but you would do it faster than me

[Pink Ball]

> Doesn't disclose result of quest item and who they give it to.

Can we lynch this?

[Pink Ball]

Pink Ball,

> Doesn't disclose result of quest item and who they give it to.

Can we lynch this?

I find some of your posting insightful.

Scum and town were nightkilled, and the heat within the thread has doubled, does the pressure originate more from town or scum?

I need you to explain this question for me; what do you mean by "heat within the thread"? What pressure?

[Pink Ball]

Wow didn't know I was in prod range

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Wait a minute I wasn't in prod range

mod wtf

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Spicy

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You were rude, but that doesn't make you scum

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I think both spring and Ame are town, and spring is right about not asking for claims. I mean, even if you're right in theory Ame, doing it creates WIFOM towards your own slot and that's not very cash money for the rest of us

[Pink Ball]

Pink, I don't agree with that way of playing (waiting to mass claim for particular claims or being put at L-1). I've expressed this before if it would alleviate your concerns about wifom. I think we should sort Lady and Momo today.

And again, they both already claimed, so I don't quite get your concern.

It's not my concern in particular, is what scum can do with that information and how they could push you with said information

[Pink Ball]

Pink, I don't agree with that way of playing (waiting to mass claim for particular claims or being put at L-1). I've expressed this before if it would alleviate your concerns about wifom. I think we should sort Lady and Momo today.

And again, they both already claimed, so I don't quite get your concern.

It's not my concern in particular, is what scum can do with that information and how they could push you with said information

I don't understand. Do you not trust others to form the same conclusion that you have? That my request comes from a town-oriented mind? If not, what distinguishes your ability to discern my alignment from others?

Creature, did you have a Digimon avatar before?

Yes, I don't trust others to have the same confidence I have on your alignment

[Pink Ball]

I think she cleared up that she meant that she needed one more xp than she already had, not that she needed only 1 xp. And that's what I understood in the first place so what momo did was scummy lol

[Pink Ball]

Sorry guys, feeling very apathetic right now. I'll try to check in tomorrow and do some work.

Same by the way. Ame you're doing good and I'm letting you do the hard work sorry

[Pink Ball]

Pro: Ali is here yay
Con: wallposts

What do I do

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I don't care wasting my time scrolling past them, but I probably won't read them and that leaves me out of the game

[Pink Ball]

I don't care wasting my time scrolling past them, but I probably won't read them and that leaves me out of the game

If a wall post was split into 10 different short posts, would you read them?

Back to back posts? It would be the same. I think mafia is about interactions, not one or two players rambling. But hey that's my preferred style, I'm fine laying back and being player number 2 for a while.

[Pink Ball]

I don't care wasting my time scrolling past them, but I probably won't read them and that leaves me out of the game

If a wall post was split into 10 different short posts, would you read them?

Back to back posts? It would be the same. I think mafia is about interactions, not one or two players rambling. But hey that's my preferred style, I'm fine laying back and being player number 2 for a while.

I think I agree. The interaction/conversations are more fun and give a better feel. That said, I have games where I wall post too.

More fun, exactly. I do wall post from time to time, but I have to be invested in the game for me to do so, and I can't get invested without knowing the playerlist first. I don't think my contributions to this game are good enough to get involved either. My only mission is to have a good read on the leaders of the game and that's Ame and spring (spring's slot now) and I'm townreading both

[Pink Ball]

I just skimmed through Farkset’s iso and you and LC looked anti-partnery.

Who's LC?

[Pink Ball]

Oh, Lady Chloe. But you're making pre flip associations, I don't get it

[Pink Ball]

Oooooh ok, related to Farkset, I thought it was related to Lady Chloe

[Pink Ball]

Start with 1 XP
Gets 1 XP for being the leader (right?)
Trains
Gets 1 XP because of the nightkill

That's 4. I mean spring could still be scum, but doesn't sounds like a lie to me

[Pink Ball]

Start with 1 XP
Gets 1 XP for being the leader (right?)
Trains
Gets 1 XP because of the nightkill

That's 4. I mean spring could still be scum, but doesn't sounds like a lie to me

Recall that this was day 1. She wasn't aware of FotC's role.

Oh right I forgot about it being an exclusive thing from FotC's role I thought it was a generic thing from the game

[Pink Ball]

Yes, I forgot

[Pink Ball]

Or to be precise, I mixed up that mechanic with another game's mechanic

[Pink Ball]

Like look at that post. Without reading it I know it's a great post. Will I read it? No, but that doesn't make it a bad post. I'ts a great post Ame good job

[Pink Ball]

Like look at that post. Without reading it I know it's a great post. Will I read it? No, but that doesn't make it a bad post. I'ts a great post Ame good job

You

won`t read it?

? Why? It isn`t a wallpost.

Because I won't understand it without the context which is related to a wallpost

[Pink Ball]

btw is anyone able to gift me an XP tonight? I just need 1.

Right now?

[Pink Ball]

I'll see what I can do @Ame

[Pink Ball]

Well I didn't want to say it back on D1 because I wasn't willing to make a 1v1 against mastina but...

@Pine, i think you are the authority here when talking about mastina, is that AI for her?

Actually.
The authority for reading me this game would probably be Pink Ball.

mastina said this because she knows I know what scum!mastina does different from town!mastina, and I was giving her time to start doing what town!mastina does, but she never did and she left the game before she could do it, so yes, it's very likely we're dealing with a scum!mastina slot. I haven't read anything coming from Knight, but I'm willing to get rid of that slot rather than Raya.

[Pink Ball]

Well I didn't want to say it back on D1 because I wasn't willing to make a 1v1 against mastina but...

@Pine, i think you are the authority here when talking about mastina, is that AI for her?

Actually.
The authority for reading me this game would probably be Pink Ball.

mastina said this because she knows I know what scum!mastina does different from town!mastina, and I was giving her time to start doing what town!mastina does, but she never did and she left the game before she could do it, so yes, it's very likely we're dealing with a scum!mastina slot. I haven't read anything coming from Knight, but I'm willing to get rid of that slot rather than Raya.

Can you elaborate on Martina?

Nah. Would be a cheap shot without mastina to defend herself

[Pink Ball]

Less memey maybe, relating to the white flag game

[Pink Ball]

Fuck it's 5 hours now.

Ali why don't you want to lynch Knight who is now voting you and it's mastina's slot

Who else is a viable alternative right now

[Pink Ball]

Dude voted Ali who is not a viable lynch and yeeted saying he's out to sleep so he parked his vote there, not cooperating with an actual lynch

[Pink Ball]

I'm fine with a Raya lynch, I'd be better if it was a Knight lynch

[Pink Ball]

You replaced momo right? I have a problem with your slot

[Pink Ball]

No no, talk to me, ask me why

[Pink Ball]

Oh come on don't be like that I want you to be town and you know it

[Pink Ball]

My problem is that we both know what momo is capable of doing being scum. You've said it a couple of times in this game.

Laying back on D1 and repping out on D2 after a scum kill happened, with some obvious TvS interactions between said scum and other players, goes along pretty well with someone who wouldn't like to lose as scum.

What's your take on momo that goes against this theory

[Pink Ball]

lmao where did pb go

Sorry was doing a sudoku

Got pretty good at them

Hectic claimed he was sabotaged and momo was on the last quest right?

[Pink Ball]

Like your role is absolutely pro town and Hectic lied, why are you not endorsing that lynch

[Pink Ball]

Oh I was going to ask that, if you have to target someone or act

Why wouldn't he act? Do you have to use XP to use it?

[Pink Ball]

Unofficial VC

Raya36 (1)- Alisae
Knightmare491 (3)- Creature, Raven Branwen, Knightmare
Raven Branwen (1)- Pine
Alisae (4)- Raya36, Hectic, Knightmare. Ame

Not voting (2)- Pink Ball, Ginngie

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in 0 days, 3 hours, 30 minutes ish

Mod notes: Pink Ball is the best

[Pink Ball]

We need Ginngie here. And/or Pine

Ali move to Knightmare

[Pink Ball]

Wait I fucked that up somehow

[Pink Ball]

Oh no it's alright I put Knightmare when I meant Not Known. Not Known is voting Knightmare

[Pink Ball]

Yeah ok Ali calling momo bad, who is your predecessor, is not what you should be doing to avoid being lynched right now

Vote Knightmare

p-edit ok that's better

[Pink Ball]

Creature we can't capture and lynch at the same time

[Pink Ball]

Ame why not Knightmare? You like both of them lynched right?

[Pink Ball]

You could move your vote there and I hammer. I don't know if Ginngie or Pine will show up on time

[Pink Ball]

Wait Ali, why do you need your action for the night if your action is avoiding sabotages and we're not even going to a quest

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lmao thats fine
just lynch in pb raya when i flip kay

And why would she be so confident about this. It's fake bravado. She claims to haven't even read your slot/the game fully. It's fake.

Ali talks like that, it's not fake, it's a personality trait. If I flip scum, e gets to say "I told you so" at the end of the game. If I flip town e can say "meh I wasn't even reading the game"

p-edit lmao

Ali we have to send a PM to confirm we're going to a Quest and I believe no one has confirmed they're doing that right now

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Ame even if voted Ali right now we would be missing a vote to lynch er. If you change your vote to Knight and I vote we get the lynch.

p-edit oh ok Ginngie is here YAY

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Do they talk like that when they haven't even read the slots they are accusing.

Yes. E goes with the flow, both town and scum Ali plays with the pace of the game to eir favor. Calls town a bunch of people, calls scum a bunch of other people, gets reactions, pushes hard whoever slips. The difference is how bullshit those slips are: more bullshit, more scum equity for Ali.

Here e haven't had the space to deal with the game pace so we don't have enough info about er. I could call that scummy for er because e tried to go under the radar... But Ali doesn't go under the radar

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Ali why are you so convinced on Raya? I haven't read their posts at all

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You absolutely should

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Alisame

Like Felix Auger-Aliassime

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Just to be sure

Why the change, Ame? You seemed really sure

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YES

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Good job Ginngie I'm so proud

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@Ame I'm glad you changed your vote, I don't know if Ali is town, but we'll have more info later to decide that. Knight was the better option

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My treestump was 1-shot.

This information would have been useful

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Ali's hammer is NAI 'cause it was under pressure of being the counterwagon. Changing from Knight is town to hammering him is much more relevant.

That being said, Ali's still not my first alternative

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Hey guys

I'm ok with going with the massclaim, I'm one of the few players without explicitly claiming but Ame already knows and suggested what my role is. My only concern is getting wrong conclusions about XP when that's something that scum can easily lie. It's not like fakeclaiming that has some kind of backlash; lying about your amount of XP has no consequences you'd have to deal with in the future

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I'm not particularly townreading you because of spring's obsession on being the quest leader, but yes, NK15 is who I was implying when I said Ali wasn't my first alternative

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The thing is, I don't consider spring's interaction with Farkset as a bus 'cause there was no lynch mechanic at that point of the game, so it was a great time to distance. That could be very coordinated. I think they would've planned to flip later in the game tho, not as soon as Fark did.

But yeah Occam's razor yaddah yaddah

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Really? I thought spring had a lot of charisma, value needed both to be a good actress and to get the leadership

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Don't misunderstand me, I know that's how it ended, but at some point spring was getting elected while being very vocal about her scumreads. The frustration and toxicity started after we suggested another leader.

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Well that's what charisma is for: she didn't have to make a persuasive case or anything at all, she just used plain personality. If you know how to use that in your favour, you don't need to do cases, you just go for it. And for me, spring looked pretty self aware of her capacities.

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Role Name: Town Bard
Abilities and Cost: twice during the game I may target a player and at the begining of the next night, that player may use an aditional action. Costs 1 XP to do that. My upgraded role is that I get one more shot, and I get barded myself
Actions during each phase: Trained first night, barded Ame and trained second night
Anything else relevant: No.

XP
Starting XP (from your role PM): 1 (note it doesn't give my starting XP in my role PM, they just told me I had 1 in the day 1 start PM)
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1
XP at the end of N1: 2
XP at the end of D2: 1
XP at the end of N2: 1
Current XP: 1

XP needed to upgrade: 2
Have you upgraded (yes/no): Yes
If yes, during which phase: Night 2

Summary: started with 1 XP, got one more from training N1, got one more from FoC's dying, I upgraded during D2 so back to 1 XP, barded Ame which leaves me with 0 XP, but since I got barded myself I could train and I got 1 XP and that's where I am now so I can bard again tonight and train again and so and so until I'm out of shots. Game will probably end before my shots so I think I played the role as was intended.

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Raven I just noticed... Are you an alt?

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Oh Pink, I meant to ask, you sent the Bard action during N2?

No, during D2, but it's resolved at the begining of the next night, so if I act during the day, I can't during the night. I'm not sure how it would work if I acted during the night, if it would activate during that same night or during the next one. I believe it's the latter but I haven't needed asking about it since I could train last night by barding myself.

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Raven I just noticed... Are you an alt?

Yes, I’m fairly certain I don’t sound like a newb.

Errrr I meant that I probably know who you are

Oh Pink, I meant to ask, you sent the Bard action during N2?

@PB, what does a bard do? I couldn’t find a definition on Mafia Wiki.

I... I claimed what my role does

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@Ame I may or may not Bard you today. Can't tell, or I would be giving you a death sentence. There are other interesting claims I could Bard mechanically speaking

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Wsa HEALing a thing back on D1??

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Could we talk about the mechanic we're chosing before ending the day? I don't remember what the mechanics are available and how we can make one of them useful given our roles and night actions

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Wsa HEALing a thing back on D1??

I don’t know but if you HURT a slot then tr them, you would presumably HEAL them atp, no? But he didn’t. I actually didn’t realize how extremely scummy Mastina was until I reread her ISO.

Oh you mean like "unHURTing" them, ok. HURT was used to capture if I remember correctly

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@Raven if Hectic is the last scum and we pick LR, the game ends lol

Also I don't know if picking a mechanic works like a lynch, as in we can "hammer" a mechanic. But ok let's assume we get LR: how does that will work??

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Oh good timing Mr. Moriarty

Who should use the LR then?

@mod is Lightning Rod a private action that doesn't let you train or use your other actions?

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@Raven what do you mean we can't lynch today

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That's what I'm trying to discuss! Who should ask for the lightning rod, given our roles?

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@ABR and what about it? If she's lying, does that make her scum? Like, she isn't a voyeur and she doesn't want to tell us her flavor because she has another scummier role?

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@ABR and what about it? If she's lying, does that make her scum? Like, she isn't a voyeur and she doesn't want to tell us her flavor because she has another scummier role?

You should all take this up with the mod post-game. This is literally a first - being sr due to game design.

It's a weird point of view

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If it's not game related I don't think this is the place to be asking something like that

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I'd rather Bard a townread, Ame. I would be giving the opportunity to make a night action and kill at the same time if I do it wrong

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Pink, Raya cannot gift/accelerate, do a night action, and kill correct?

No, but the accelerated or the gifted could magically die during the night not being able to claim if they were actually accelerated or gifted

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I'd rather Bard a townread, Ame. I would be giving the opportunity to make a night action and kill at the same time if I do it wrong

What if I promise you I'm town?

This changes everything

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@Ame I may or may not Bard Raya and I'm ready to end the day

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VOTE: Hectic

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UNVOTE: Titus

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I think we shouldn't discuss replacing outs as an argument... but a word to the wise is sufficient

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Pink do you think I said something improper?

Absolutely not!!

Hectic probably felt like he wasn't being fair with his own slot because of lack of interest in this game and when he tried to do it it was too late. The replace out is NAI and it has nothing to do with you or anyone. I mean this is my interpretation!

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Yeah Id rather do this and stick with the plan, Ame

VOTE: NK15

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Seems like he's pointing out both pros and cons

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That's Farsket's reads, it says it right there

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Scum doesn't make mistakes?

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We need a votecount pronto. I don't know what the deadline is.

@Raven I agree with you and I'm voting with you, but that's something everyone can say, that they'd rather lynch slots they think have a better than rand chance of flipping scum, but you have to compromise sometimes in order to get your teamwork on point.

Not that I'm saying you should vote Ali in this particular case; I'm not doing it and I probably won't. I already defended Ali against scum one time, I'm happy to do it again.

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Don't want to be devil's advocate here but I still think you shouldn't put much weight on D1's associations given that there was no lynch mechanic that day

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The thing is, I don't consider spring's interaction with Farkset as a bus 'cause there was no lynch mechanic at that point of the game, so it was a great time to distance. That could be very coordinated. I think they would've planned to flip later in the game tho, not as soon as Fark did.

But yeah Occam's razor yaddah yaddah

Yeah I know that's what you've been saying, I've been saying it too, but I stand by my Occam's razor opinion

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That's not what I was trying to point out. I said in this particular game it's not really worth looking at D1 associations because there was no lynch mechanic, so I would put more weight on D2 onwards.

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That's not what I was trying to point out. I said in this particular game it's not really worth looking at D1 associations because there was no lynch mechanic, so I would put more weight on D2 onwards.

My point is still valid based on how insistent spring was on being town leader. Like Ali has said, e doesn’t see em being scum with Farkset.

Now, had Farkset not voted to capture spring, I probably would not have wanted this slot. Scum!Farset doesn’t involuntarily capture scum!spring. Maybe there are some scum players who would do this but Farkran is definitely not one of them.

I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about me. That's why I said "devil's advocate". You said "why mastina would say this about a partner" and I replied with "that was on D1"

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@Raya Not really, 'cause my buddy was dying during that day 'cause I was hard bussing him. Barding Ame would be a neat strategy to try to pocket him as that's something I would've been doing during the entire game.

I was waiting for Ame to get paranoid about me, I thought that this day ended without him getting at least a little paranoid about me, he could be a happy scum that I'm following every step he has been doing. But I'm pretty sure he's town and following him has been the correct choice from my perspective.

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@Raya Not really, 'cause my buddy was dying during that day 'cause I was hard bussing him. Barding Ame would be a neat strategy to try to pocket him as that's something I would've been doing during the entire game.

I was waiting for Ame to get paranoid about me, I thought that this day ended without him getting at least a little paranoid about me, he could be a happy scum that I'm following every step he has been doing. But I'm pretty sure he's town and following him has been the correct choice from my perspective.

He hardclaimed to vig Farkset without a CC. In what universe, could he ever possibly be scum here? This post worries me. Ame is mechtown.

Yes, that's why I'm pretty sure he's town! It's more like "where's Ame's town mentality towards me" other than what his alignment is

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@Raya Not really, 'cause my buddy was dying during that day 'cause I was hard bussing him. Barding Ame would be a neat strategy to try to pocket him as that's something I would've been doing during the entire game.

I was waiting for Ame to get paranoid about me, I thought that this day ended without him getting at least a little paranoid about me, he could be a happy scum that I'm following every step he has been doing. But I'm pretty sure he's town and following him has been the correct choice from my perspective.

He hardclaimed to vig Farkset without a CC. In what universe, could he ever possibly be scum here? This post worries me. Ame is mechtown.

Yes, that's why I'm pretty sure he's town! It's more like "where's Ame's town mentality towards me" other than what his alignment is

How is it even possible that he isn’t? How else could Farkset have died? Only way he’s scum is if someone else CC’d him, which no one did, so mech confirmed town.

Read again what I said

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Spoiler:

Role Name: Town Bard
Abilities and Cost: twice during the game I may target a player and at the beginning of the next night, that player may use an additional action. Costs 1 XP to do that. My upgraded role is that I get one more shot, and I get barded myself
Actions during each phase: Trained first night, barded Ame and trained second night
Anything else relevant: No.

XP
Starting XP (from your role PM): 1
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1
XP at the end of N1: 2
XP at the end of D2: 1
XP at the end of N2: 1
Current XP: 1

XP needed to upgrade: 2
Have you upgraded (yes/no): Yes
If yes, during which phase: Night 2

Summary: started with 1 XP, got one more from training N1, got one more from FoC's dying, I upgraded during D2 so back to 1 XP, barded Ame which leaves me with 0 XP, but since I got barded myself I could train and I got 1 XP and that's where I am now so I can bard again tonight and train again and so and so until I'm out of shots. Game will probably end before my shots so I think I played the role as was intended.
"Your intentions are not defined by how things went, but how things could've gone." (Ball, 2019)

Nevermind, you just mistyped your N1 XP. It should be 3 instead of 2, correct?

Technically I ended N1 with 2 and began D2 with 3

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@Raya Not really, 'cause my buddy was dying during that day 'cause I was hard bussing him. Barding Ame would be a neat strategy to try to pocket him as that's something I would've been doing during the entire game.

I was waiting for Ame to get paranoid about me, I thought that this day ended without him getting at least a little paranoid about me, he could be a happy scum that I'm following every step he has been doing. But I'm pretty sure he's town and following him has been the correct choice from my perspective.

@Raya Not really, 'cause my buddy was dying during that day 'cause I was hard bussing him. Barding Ame would be a neat strategy to try to pocket him as that's something I would've been doing during the entire game.

I was waiting for Ame to get paranoid about me, I thought that this day ended without him getting at least a little paranoid about me, he could be a happy scum that I'm following every step he has been doing. But I'm pretty sure he's town and following him has been the correct choice from my perspective.

He hardclaimed to vig Farkset without a CC. In what universe, could he ever possibly be scum here? This post worries me. Ame is mechtown.

Yes, that's why I'm pretty sure he's town! It's more like "where's Ame's town mentality towards me" other than what his alignment is

These posts are concerning. Ame is mech confirmed IC. There is no “pretty sure” about it. Only way Ame isn’t mech confirmed town, if if someone else CCs to have vigged Farkset. Unless you’re literally doing just that, there is 0 room for doubt.

Yes Raven, I'm saying there's 0 room for doubt, you're saying the same what I'm saying

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C'mon dude they both backed off, why start it again

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Pinky, do you have a game similar to this one? And is it ok if I call you Pinky?

It is ok!

I'll check but I can't promise, I think you were right saying this is not close to either my town or scum games 'cause I've just laid back and see how it goes, and as far as I can tell, it has been the correct choice. I'm not implying I did it on purpose: I've been laid back because this playerlist is (was) rather unknown for me. I shitpost a lot more when I know who I'm playing with. And there's always something behind it: trying to get a better read on someone (as town), to look like I don't have a motivation behind my thoughts (as scum), etc.

Also I like plastic love too :3

It's SO good right??? Now that we can talk about that game, do you think there's any kind of resemblence with this one? Because that's other explanation on why I've been laid back during this game: I was playing that game and Ali's hydra game and I was more invested in them, in one because I was scum, the other because it required much more attention and this game has been going well without me interfering that much. The only time I thought I had to step in was for yesterday's lynch and mastina's comment about how well I can read her.

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Actually, On the Flying Scumsman, the Ali's hydra game I'm mentioning, I was a lot more laid back than I usually am and that's a towngame of mine. I died on N1 so you can read my posts there and it's not that much. I got into a fight with John Cena, I would disregard those posts, but before that it's pretty much how I've been playing in here. Look for Cappy's posts, the ones signed by Silver Bullet

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Like yeah, I realized I'm much more "teamwork!!" when I'm scum so my town meta has changed during this last games. This game in particular has been exactly how I would like my town games to look. More memes obviously, but I have to find that sweet spot between memey and serious. I got Knight lynched instead of Ali, I can take credit for that, at least a bit. It's one of the first times in my mafia history that I can say "I contributed by lynching scum" instead of "I contributed by not getting lynched as town" or "I contributed by being friendly and keeping my shit together to get my team get their shit together too". I'm a good teammate as both alignments, but I'm a better scum teammate than a town teammate and I want to improve.

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@Titus you said that if NK15's wagon got more traction you would vote there, right? 'Cause I'm still voting him

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Sure Raven, but I was talking with Titus, because Ame thinks ABR is town

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Is he?? I thought he was max L-2

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We have 4 hours and 13 minutes

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NK is also town. It's neither of them. It's also not PB.

Don't make me vote Ali

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Go for it Ame, nobody's hammering ABR

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mod hasn't posted in like almost 3 days, chill!

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Also you can't ask for an extension out of nothing I think

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2 hours until deadline

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I'll make a votecount

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VC 3.2

Hectic (3)- Not Known 15, Alisae, Raya36
Alisae (1)- Hectic

Not voting (6)- Pink Ball, Albert B. Rampage, TrueSoulEnergy, Creature, Ame, Raven Branwen

With 10 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-17 20:00:00)

Mod notes: .

Public Mechanic Vote

Lightning Rod (6)- Ame, Raya36, Alisae, Raven Branwen, Not Known 15, Albert B. Rampage

Not voting (4)- Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy, Creature, Hectic

So, from here:

PB votes Hectic
Both Ali and PB unvotes Titus (new Hectic)
Ame votes Raya
TSE votes Raya
Ali votes Raya
Raven votes NK15
Raya votes NK15
Titus votes NK15
PB votes NK15
Ame votes Ali
Titus votes Ali
ABR votes Ali
TSE votes ABR
Ame unvotes Ali
ABR votes TSE
ABR votes NK15
Ame votes PB
Raven unvotes NK15
Raven votes NK15
Titus votes NK15
Raya unvotes NK15
Raven votes ABR
Titus votes ABR
NK15 votes ABR
Raya votes ABR
ABR votes Titus
Ranven unvotes ABR
Raya unvotes ABR
Ame votes Creature
ABR votes Creature
Raya votes Creature

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Not Known 15, Alisae, Raya36, Pink Ball, Albert B. Rampage, TrueSoulEnergy, Creature, Ame, Raven Branwen, Titus
NK15: voting ABR
Alisae: voting Raya
Raya: voting Creature
PB: voting NK15
ABR: voting Creature
TSE: voting ABR
Creature: not voting
Ame: voting Creature
Raven: not voting
Titus: voting ABR

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Creature (3): Ame, ABR, Raya
ABR (3): TSE, Titus, NK15
Raya (1): Alisae
NK15 (1): PB

Not voting (2): Creature, Raven

Takes 6 to lynch. 1 hours and 45 minutes

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Hey. You know what would be more useful than that ugly vote count right now?

Shutting up and letting me finish?

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VOTE: ABR

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I'll change to creature if needed but I'd rather do this

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Give me a minute

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Ok I vote ABR out of spite because I was doing the votecount and interrupted me by being an asshole but I didn't get a reaction

VOTE: Creature

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@Titus I was expecting Raven to be active but even if I voted ABR we would still need one more vote so I think it has to be Creature. And Ame is right, Creature is playing to his scum meta

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@Everyone stick to the plan

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@Everyone stick to the plan

Too late for that. We didn't lynch anyone who had a chance of flipping scum.

Wasn't meant for you! I'm talking about mechanics and I think you weren't involved

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I actually don’t understand why scum kills Raya period.

Raya would become confirmed town today if someone else was killed because if everyone followed the plan, he wouldn't be able to make a kill.

My working theory is that Raya was NK’d to frame Ali. I don’t think scum!Ali NKs Raya. It just doesn’t make sense from eir PoV.

This doesn't make much sense to me. If you don't think scum!Ali NKs Raya, then why would scum try to frame Ali with something scum!Ali wouldn't do?

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Why would we use the Punish mechanic? Scum has to use XP to make nightkills, we can force them to not kill because of lack of XP and get more days and more lynches, which are better than nightkills

P-edit: 1 XP and yes, I barded Raya. I got one more bard shot

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Why would we use the Punish mechanic? Scum has to use XP to make nightkills, we can force them to not kill because of lack of XP and get more days and more lynches, which are better than nightkills

How does this relate to the punish mechanic?

The Punish mechanic is giving someone a vengekill. If town, is 1 town deciding who's the remaining scum. A nightkill is scum deciding who dies. A lynch is everyone deciding who's the remaining scum. So if we use the Punish mechanic, we give the responsability to one town and if they fail, scum gets one less player to nightkill, making it easier for them. If we don't use the Punish mechanic, scum has to do more nightkills, so they would have to use more XP. If they are low on XP, which they should because of making a nightkill last night and not making it the previous night, then we force them to train and we get more days and more lynches.

I don't know if I'm explaining myself sorry, but unless you want to leash the vengekill, I don't know if it's the best course of action

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barded

What does this mean?

If I bard someone, they can perform two actions the next night. Was part of the plan to bard Raya so he could accelerate TSE and gift XP to Ame so Raven could voyeur one of them