Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Hectic]

The neighbourhood option is fun but probably not very helpful for ascertaining alignments, and might be an XP sink.

The Train Cop is very interesting. People using Train Cop in the night would show up as not Training to other people Train Copping them. It's useful if people hold onto info gained from copping on early nights, and then when mass-claims happen on a much later day or whatever, scum have to be very careful and potentially truthful about when they trained, and it's riskier to lie about actions and cover up kills essentially, since Train Cop that might've targeted them on past nights can catch them in the lie if they claimed to have Train on a night they didn't.

Disable Strongman is boring but probably a good idea. I like the idea of getting Train Cop first and the Strongman later though to open up another night of paranoia for scum.

@mod: Will any of these Public Mechanics show up on Day 2 as options, or are we not aware of that fact?

[Hectic]

Train Cop is relatively useless as almost everyone is going to want to train their ability.

Have you considered my logic as having Train Cops preventing Training from being a safe claim for scum on nights?

[Hectic]

VOTE: Train Cop for now

[Hectic]

Let our protectives be effective. #Disablestronkman2020

Depends if we know whether we can do it tomorrow. If we can't, then yeah, probably disable strongman is best.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

@mod: Will any of these Public Mechanics show up on Day 2 as options, or are we not aware of that fact?

Not public information.

Don't know now. I kinda just wanna go Train Cop still and bank on the setup being balanced so that it's okay if Disable Strongman isn't picked day 1.

[Hectic]

mastina is in the game so lets let mafia kill who they please

Night Kill analysis in this playerlist is viable

as in, it's my favorite analysis no one trusts or does and I just want to have fun

what's wrong with having fun

My kind of player.

Hectic we're building a fun bloc, wanna join?

Lul, you know I'm in.

Btw, random thought, but what if we select Train Cop, and then have everyone in the playerlist either

Train

, or

Train Cop Check

the person who's next in the list. That way, the scum who did the kill has a chance to be caught out, since they can't claim they were Training, since there's a 50% chance of the person behind them checking them. And they'll have to claim whether the person in front of them was Training or not. Actually, I just realised this has problems since scum could be next to each other, and order of claims matters a lot. Never mind. (Unless someone smarter than me can see another way).

[Hectic]

Training Cop is an excellent option for town to strategize. This prevents lying on what actions people take. If the player list all train cops a different person, we can chastisize the scumteam's abilities if we all train and give result-context to any night kill. Town gains more XP than Scum in this manner.

We can't Train and Train Cop simultaneously I don't think.

[Hectic]

Pretty sure the scum who did the nightkill would claim that they train cop checked and that would be the end of it

Yeah, but they have to claim their result on the person too, and they won't know whether they were Training/Not Training.

[Hectic]

It is public knowledge that the Mafia's factional kill costs 1 XP to carry out. The Mafia member making the kill may spend an additional 1 XP (for a total of 2) to make the kill a strongman kill, meaning it cannot be stopped by anything except for a commuter.

[Hectic]

Hello again, Farkran! Yeah, we're on a streak lol.

What does that post tell you about me?

Also, Lady Chloe's proposition seems funky, but I can't wrap my head around it right now to decide whether it's a good or bad idea. Will try again later.

[Hectic]

Unsure if I would as scum. No if I actually think it's a breaking strat.

[Hectic]

Hey, I didn't know I made it in this!

Spoiler:

Are you feeling better, Hectic?

Someone outed so you made it in! I'm feeling great now <3

I've taken inspiration from your oddly satisfying PageTops.

[Hectic]

Agreed, let's try out the quest today simply to see how the rewards are, and for fun.

[Hectic]

pedit: i'm in favor of trying out the d1 quest, although this will mess with the Train Cop strategy if we decide to go with it

How come?

[Hectic]

pedit: i'm in favor of trying out the d1 quest, although this will mess with the Train Cop strategy if we decide to go with it

How come?

At least one player will be roleblocked and we don't know who it will be. I assume that if the player chooses Train, he won't know he has been roleblocked? Or does he get a XP report at day start, so that he can claim blocked when he doesn't get the +1 xp?

-Farkran

The roleblocked player will know they've been roleblocked since they'll lose any previous XP they had. But I assume they'll also be told they were sabotaged.

@mod: Am I correct in this assumption?

Any XP gained by Train on the same night you were sabotaged you get to keep btw.

[Hectic]

Training cop is also worthless.

Disabling strongman is the clear decision here.

Why?

[Hectic]

Training cop is also worthless. Disabling strongman is the clear decision here.

Why?

The entire reason people are voting for training cop is based around a flawed premise of 'we can use it to catch scum'. Except we can't, there's a mechanical reason that people are overlooking which nullifies that idea altogether and makes it entirely debunk. Train Cop is equally as worthless as Neighborizer here because it doesn't actually generate any useful information to be gathered due to the way the scum nightkill works.

You could theoretically use it to catch someone who lied about training that instead used a different action, but that 'different action' isn't the scum nightkill so this catching a lie is probably catching town lying in a gambit more likely than catching scum lying in a gambit.

In that case, can't we just not claim results of Train Cops until mass claim happens? Since then power roles can just be honest during the mass claim.

[Hectic]

Ame has point tbh: Neighbouriser definitely is the most fun. On a different day, I'd vote it.

[Hectic]

[Disable Strongman]
The Mafia no longer have access to their 2 XP strongman ability.

It disables the ability option, not the role if mafia has it (unlikely for obvious reasons).

[Hectic]

Mastina and Chloe probably disaligned for attempting similar setup-based townslips. I think the townslips aren't particularly AI for either but they are almost never SvS; yet to determine if TvT or TvS.

Is it necessarily a townslip? I think scum could make that kind of mistake too, so I wouldn't rule out SvS and them both being genuine.

[Hectic]

I

think

I get what Ame is implying. But this is bound to make them think about and realise it anyway.

[Hectic]

Ok, I have an idea with train cop.

Every night everybody pledge to train xp. Except 1 person who train cop check 1 person selected in advance.

Why'd you propose this idea if you very much of the Disable Strongman train?

[Hectic]

Lady Chloe, I'm assuming the setup is balanced in such a way that not choosing Disable Strongman won't be that bad for one of the following reasons:

1 - There's not that many protectives in the game/stuff relevant to strongmen.

2 - The option will be available again on a future day.

[Hectic]

Why are you making these assumptions?

If train cop is choosen, what do you propose the town do as a plan?

I'm not sure yet. I'm thinking about the my idea, and the ones you and Lady Chloe have proposed.

But even if we don't follow any of them, we still have the benefit of not giving scum any safe Train claims.

[Hectic]

I'm making the assumptions because I have faith in the moderator to balance the game.

[Hectic]

Quest Accepted!

[Hectic]

This has already been debunked: scum can just claim they used the train cop ability.

Your logic is off.

That was also debunked. They then have to claim whether their target was Training or not which they won't know.

[Hectic]

Only 1 person in the multiple scumteam would have to use the train cop ability to have at least 1 accurate result.

That means one of the 2/3 scum have to use a train cop ability each night which is otherwise a complete waste of a night for them. Do you not understand the value?

[Hectic]

The Mafia factional kill is a bonus action; this in effect means that all Mafia members are multitasking, as they may carry out the Mafia kill at the same time as taking a personal action.

Oh, you're right. Never mind.

[Hectic]

Yeah, I think I've changed my mind. All scum are multitasking so can Train Cop and kill simultaneously.

We do Train Cop only if we can establish a good strat beforehand.

[Hectic]

After realising the flaws with Train Cop, I kinda just wanna vote Neighbourhood for fun reasons now. VOTE: Neighbourhood

Momo, I agree, but you're missing situations where town cops/or strong PRs are forced to claim due to being driven up, and then scum can strongman while needing to kill them the next night.

[Hectic]

springlullaby, what makes you think you should be the quest leader?

Side note which definitely isn't related: What's your favourite wildcat?

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

I already confirmed I'm a questing adventurer earlier, springlullaby. I'm fine with this plan. Leader should be the consensus/best townread we got.

[Hectic]

Leader doesn't need to be protected; they're passing the item secretly to another person in the same night.

You didn't answer my wildcat question, and tell me why I'm scummy.

[Hectic]

You can have fun talking about unrelated stuff while still having fun playing the game, springlullaby.

Your Public Relation skills need some work; you're doing poorly to earn a leader vote from me.

[Hectic]

Is this abrasive and attempt to make unnecessary enemies an attempt to get townread?

[Hectic]

Also obnoxious.

Is this your last mafia game? viewtopic.php?f=52&t=75014

[Hectic]

Sorry, I don't mean to start anything. I hope you're having a wonderful day <3

[Hectic]

"starting anything" referred to not wanting to attack your character.

Could you point me towards my "attempted buddying"?

P.S: I love the mask

[Hectic]

Only if you share it with me, Pink Ball. We should ration leadership out.

[Hectic]

I don't think it is, as far as I can tell from the rules.

I've always wanted to try Gloomhaven! Being top of boardgamegeek means something surely. Is it like the RP part of D&D without the combat?

[Hectic]

HURT: Flight of the Conchords

[Hectic]

VOTE: Disable Strongman
Other votes look like a waste.

- Bret

Actually, Ame, on further thought I agree with you. Disabling powers isn't fun for the game. And, philosophically, I believe Mafia should be allowed to remove players who are so problematic if they want to spend the XP on a strongman.
VOTE: Neighborizer

- Bret

For this turn around. I know I did the same thing from Train Cop to Neighbouriser, but Bret's first post didn't give me the impression that he cared so much for fun.

Also, the philosophically believing mafia should have a strongman available is really strange. It's part of the game and will be balanced, why feel bad for scum not being able to strongman kill? An explanation from Bret himself would be great.

[Hectic]

I would honestly consider anyone pushing for neighborizer to be scummy. It gains almost no useful and dependable information for town to use and also is a great way for scum to pocket and gain town trust.

Who do you think of the current people voting neighbouriser are scummy for it?

[Hectic]

I completely agree with you, momo. I looked through her last mafia game (in which she was scum in), and she played a lot more timidly and less opinionated in this manner. However, that was 2 years ago so basically means very little.

I'm restraining myself from voting her until more people weigh in because I know my scumread of her is biased right now lul

[Hectic]

Farkran's readlist is very close to my own!

I like Ame's quest plan. However, if we vote for people joining the quest: It would mean this would give important PRs no choice other than soft claiming to avoid being put on if they've been towny. How about people nominate themselves as wanting to go on, and if the consensus is okay with it, they do.

The Mastina case is interesting. I'd like to hear your understanding and what you remembered of Train from the last XP game, Mastina. In the last, it was unable to be used alongside any other actions.

[Hectic]

Doesn't look like Neighbourise is happening anymore lol. It does have

some

value you know, since you can plan actions/tactics with someone you know or strongly believe is town.
Also, in the last game, it was a night action and using it meant you couldn't do anything else that same night - which is admittedly terrible. Something_Smart buffed it for us and everything.

One last thing: The last game had a 1XP to make your night action Loyal option on one of the days. So we could potentially see that or a Disloyal one this game for the day phase, but probably not very likely.

[Hectic]

Why not scum? They've both been defending me.

[Hectic]

Because scum always defend scum?

No, they don't, but why in this case do you think Farkran/Mastina are not scum defending scum!me?

[Hectic]

Because scum always defend scum?

No, they don't, but why in this case do you think Farkran/Mastina are not scum defending scum!me?

[Hectic]

If I flipped scum, then yeah, I would look at everyone defending me to see if their reasoning was genuine or not. Scum can buddy each other that hard for sure, and it's not particularly difficult here since a few others have put me as town too, so it's not like it's going against the consensus.

What make their defence of me genuine?

[Hectic]

(1)If I flipped scum, then yeah, I would look at everyone defending me to see if their reasoning was genuine or not. Scum can buddy each other that hard for sure, and it's not particularly difficult here since a few others have put me as town too, so it's not like it's going against the consensus.

(2)What make their defence of me genuine?

(1) Who else do you perceive as defending you?
(2) What do you mean genuine?

1 - I can't remember all but some have put me as town like Raya and Pine. Mastina and Farkran defended my mech hiccup regarding missing the fact scum can kill and Train Cop simultaneously.
2 - You said Farkran/Mastina are unlikely to be scum with me. What makes their "buddying" real and not scum simply townreading a fellow scum which isn't that hard to do in this context?

I'm trying to understand your thought process behind ruling that out.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

Are you an alt?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Let's move on from this topic. I'd like to see you address this from Farkran:

Mastina and Chloe are the other two slots that made significant mistakes in their interpretation of the setup. It rings weird that you do not have an opinion on them, but you have a strong one on hectic.

You suggested my minsunderstanding of the mechanics was reason for me being scum here:

So, you would you consider Hectic being wrong about mechanics.
Then asking stupid fluff questions as non indicative of alignment?
Or even indicative of town alignment?

Where did I blurt out nonsense?

Would you give Mastina/Chloe the same treatment, and why?

[Hectic]

^
Yes.

You say you misunderstood the mechanics.
I said you were wrong. Aka gearing the town toward bad choices for bad reasons.
Big difference.

So you believe Mastina/Lady Chloe/I were all intentionally leading the town down "bad" paths? Why am I scummier for it than the other two?

[Hectic]

They're both pretty close to null. But I like Lady Chloe better based on her recent posts and 282.

Side note: I'm pretty sure I know who you are, Lady Chloe

[Hectic]

Whatever, springlullaby. I don't know if I can get more out of this interaction and I feel like it's going nowhere. Your overall attitude is indicative of town in my experience, but I just don't follow most of your reasoning and confidence in scum!me at all.

[Hectic]

That said, it was a similar attitude that got me townread until d4 in undertale, but trust me that there are very few players who would be able to pull that. It takes physical and psychological effort, lots of it.

How did you have the mental capacity to pull that kind of thing off? Sheer willpower?

[Hectic]

That said, it was a similar attitude that got me townread until d4 in undertale, but trust me that there are very few players who would be able to pull that. It takes physical and psychological effort, lots of it.

How did you have the mental capacity to pull that kind of thing off? Sheer willpower?

I honestly don't know. I didn't want to do it. It wasn't the best strategy i could possibly go with. It just happened, and i was unable to back off of that, so i had to push it through with all my might.

I am very motivated to win games in general, and being scum gives me even more motivation because i can't blame my own, or my town teammates' ignorance of the game and setup - it falls entirely on my shoulders to not let them down. Which also means i usually get nervous when playing scum, but i still like it more than being town. Being town can be really frustrating at times, and more often than not you can't even test your reads because other people don't listen to you. I want to improve my communication skills, but i often get caught in a fight against my ego and my ego usually wins.

-Farkran

It was really impressive honestly.

I get what you mean there. I think I enjoy town more overall, but only because my desire to win goes up drastically when playing scum which makes it somewhat stressful. Which in a way might mean I enjoy the challenge of playing scum? Not sure.

[Hectic]

Bret, why do you think mafia should have strongman available to them in a philosophical game sense? The game should be balanced regardless of what we choose, and there's plenty of other setups which have no strongmen.

[Hectic]

Bret, any reason you're avoiding my question?

[Hectic]

OK I've been thinking over some things. First, I change my mind, disable strongman is the way to go. Second, I don't trust Spring's agenda so I'm leaving the quest.

What don't you trust? springlullaby isn't getting the Leader position.

[Hectic]

Farkset (Farkran + Kerset)
Not Known 15
Ame
springlullaby
Raya36
Lady Chloe
Pine
momo
mastina
Pink Ball
Ginngie
Flight of the Conchords (secret hydra)

[Hectic]

Bret, why do you think mafia should have strongman available to them in a philosophical game sense?

The game should be balanced regardless of what we choose

, and there's plenty of other setups which have no strongmen.

You keep saying this and it's killing me from the inside. It's similar to you saying it doesn't matter who we lynch on D1 in any given game because the game should be balanced regardless.

To address your concerns, I say strongman is a way to seepage mafia xp, just like neighborizer was a away to seepage town xp (I realize Bret voted there and I was too late to arrive to the game or our hydra thread, so I apologize for that), but I'm glad it didn't go through. Too bad you lot opted to stop the mafia xp seepage too, but that's alright.

As for the quest I believe everyone should join in. I will talk to Bret about it, but I can convince those who hadn't in'd already by stating 8 have already applied so the event is on whether you like it or not. We have yet to send the pm but I'm sure I can convince Bret too.

Finally, I should be posting an Aussie joke, or more to it a joke about them Aussies, but I'm late to the party so I will skip it for this time. (I also don't want to be mod-killed by a certain quack)

-Jemaine

When I say that, I was referring to Bret arguing that mafia should have the option to use the strongman in a philosophical game sense. I agree with you XP seepage point, but I don't think scum uses the strongman unless there's an outed PR which might be protected, or a really high priority player who's consensus town and strong, since there's a much better chance they'll be protected.

[Hectic]

Flight of the Conchords (secret hydra)
Ginngie
Pink Ball
mastina
momo
Pine
Lady Chloe
Raya36
springlullaby
Ame
Not Known 15
Farkset (Farkran + Kerset)

[Hectic]

Replicating what, dear springlullaby?

[Hectic]

That's the whole playerlist, so no. Readslist.

[Hectic]

^Lol, look at scum replicating what I do yet still

not outright

calling me scum.

If I was replicating what you were doing, then why would you expect me to call you scum while doing it? Wouldn't the reverse make sense?

[Hectic]

I posted the list as both orientations for people's convenience of course!

I like Not Known's strong stance on quests being antitown, and his logic in 218. Also, his take on springlullaby in 296 seemed genuine/nuanced for lack of any non-buzzwords.

[Hectic]

Hectic,

Why do you propose springlullaby to be closer to town but not articulate why she is misled on you?

I've tried in my previous interactions with her. Farkran is probably right and I shouldn't be putting her so high simply for how she's acting.

[Hectic]

Gingie is another concern that i have atm, but that's because i agree with you on the position he's occupying. My other tinfoil read is Chloe possibly scum for her interactions with mastina and springlullaby.

Ginngie has done nothing but sheep their crew so far lol.

What'd you dislike about Lady Chloe's interactions? I thought her case/thoughts on springlullaby were good.

[Hectic]

For the record, I don't like how Hectic keeps chaining himself to a set of players in one sentence.

What do you mean by this?

[Hectic]

^Lol, look at scum replicating what I do yet still

not outright

calling me scum.

If I was replicating what you were doing, then why would you expect me to call you scum while doing it? Wouldn't the reverse make sense?

Replication implies mistrust.
Isn't that self evident?


Why do you think FOC is scummy?
Why do you think Ame is town?

I've explained the FOC read.

Ame because she's put the effort in to read the previous game, and finding that Mastina post means she went actively looking through her ISO to find inconsistencies in Mastina's understanding of Training between that game and this game.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

For this turn around. I know I did the same thing from Train Cop to Neighbouriser, but Bret's first post didn't give me the impression that he cared so much for fun.

Also, the philosophically believing mafia should have a strongman available is really strange. It's part of the game and will be balanced, why feel bad for scum not being able to strongman kill? An explanation from Bret himself would be great.

This is your vote on FOC, circa beginning of the game.
Do you think scum would actually openly vouch for a themselves keeping a good ability?

It was the reasoning used that I don't fully buy, and the way he switched from Disable Strongman.

[Hectic]

You mention other player's name (probable town players) beside yours to create an averaging effect.
Same you did with "people who defended me".

Subtle form of buddying, a more manipulative form also.

I get the defending part, but what do you mean by naming people alongside me? Elaborate on this "averaging effect".

[Hectic]

Instance in question.

So you believe Mastina/Lady Chloe/I were all intentionally leading the town down "bad" paths? Why am I scummier for it than the other two?

Translate
>They did it too (indicate awareness), but why me.

That was to understand your reasoning for scumreading me and to see whether or not it was genuine/fabricated. Lady Chloe addressed this too earlier!

[Hectic]

Anyway.

VOTE: Ginngie

Please explain.

[Hectic]

And you know Lady Chloe's alignment how?

...these kind of gotcha moments are really hard not to scumread! I'm not gonna townread springlullaby for the same reason I was townreading Farkran for a bit in that Undertale game. Her arguing about nothing and missing the point of many posts/questions I've asked her is scum-indicative.

P.S: You need to use the HURT tags for captures.

[Hectic]

I just realized that farewell is a contraction of fare well. I mean it's obvious, it just never entered my conscious thought

I like using farewell for exactly that reason lol. Say goodbye and wish someone well all in one word.

[Hectic]

HURT: springlullaby

[Hectic]

I actually have a really strange reason for townreading springlullaby though lol. I didn't want to explain it earlier because it's kinda really stupid but here:

QUEST PLEDGE LIST DAY 1

Confirmed:

springlullaby
Pink Ball
Hectic

Waiting (lame or scum):

mastina
Raya36
Pine
Ginngie
Lady Chloe
momo
Flight of the Conchords
Not Known 15
Farkset
Ame

Leader:

springlullaby

In this pledge list, springlullaby put me after Pink Ball for people who have pledged, though I had confirmed to pledge before Pink Ball had. This isn't a big deal and doesn't really mean anything right now.

QUEST PLEDGE LIST DAY 1

Confirmed:

springlullaby
Hectic
Pink Ball
Pine
Raya36

Waiting (lame or scum):

mastina
Ginngie
Lady Chloe
momo
Flight of the Conchords
Not Known 15
Farkset
Ame

Leader:

springlullaby

But then in the next list, she's swapped me and Pink Ball around. Considering the fact she very likely copied the previous list and edited it to make this one, it means swapping us around was a consious choice, and might suggest she put me below Pink Ball in the first as petty/spite thing, which would indicate her actually disliking me/my posts rather than it being an act.
Then she swapped us around after reevaluating or wanting the list to actually be in order.

[Hectic]

Springullaby how did you write the instances of that list? Literally, what did you do to write it?

Also hectic how confident would you say you are in pinkball alignment right now?

I have a 2-sided theory that i need to explore

-Farkran

Not very. I didn't like 292

[Hectic]

So I think I came up with a game-breaking Train Cop strategy.

No Capture Version
7 players go on the quest
We decided publically who will be the leader. The leader is free to use any action they choose.
The other 6 questers Train
Each of the 6 non-questers is assigned to Train cop one of the (non-leader) questers.

Capture Version
7 players go on the quest including the captured player.
The leader is decided publically and is free to use any action they choose.
The other 5 questers Train
Each of the 6 non-questers is assigned to Train cop the 6 non-captured questers including the leader. (Alternatively one of the questers remains unassigned)

In this way, mafia can't join the quest without being forced to Train! So at least one mafia will have to remain outside of the quest in order to do the kill. And the others inside the quest will not be able to use their abilities! So mafia has to decide to either A) be a part of the quest or B) use their abilities.

So the aim is to reduce mafia influence within the quest, and increase the chance of the leader being picked and the person the leader selects to be town? Since, this disincentives them to join the quest. And if they do, they may not use any special abilities.

[Hectic]

That's the problem though, the chance of mafia being assigned to their partner makes that information a lot less valuable.

447 kinda reminds me of a resistance mission though, so I do like the idea of that.

[Hectic]

You know what, we should be trying to put all the mafia on the quest in that case. If we manage to, there'll be no kill unless mafia choose to kill and out themselves to one of the Train Cops. It's similar to the coalition victory condition from that setup.

We capture, and put the 6 scummiest people alongside the captured person on the quest.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

Hmm, that's true. Also, I realised another thing; scum outside of the quest will opt to just not Train Cop and do something useful/a kill, while town will Train Cop which isn't doing something productive comparatively. So, that may counterbalance the point of scum being forced to Train if they're on the quest, since less town are doing something useful.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

You know what, we should be trying to put all the mafia on the quest in that case. If we manage to, there'll be no kill unless mafia choose to kill and out themselves to one of the Train Cops. It's similar to the coalition victory condition from that setup.

We capture, and put the 6 scummiest people alongside the captured person on the quest.

It will give a false guilty on a town autofarmer, though... and Mafia can choose to risk outing someone even if they have people outside.

Do autofarmers from the last game essentially get to Train for free each night? Or do they just get +1XP each night which they can also Train on top of?

[Hectic]

The autogain 1XP but cannot train.

I don't think they would show up as "Training" for the Train Cop then.

[Hectic]

scum outside of the quest will opt to just not Train Cop and do something useful/a kill, while town will Train Cop which isn't doing something productive comparatively. So, that may counterbalance the point of scum being forced to Train if they're on the quest, since less town are doing something useful.

What do you think of this issue though, Ame?

[Hectic]

Back on the-

[Hectic]

Huh? Wouldn't we want scum to bus?

NK15 could you clarify this? Hectic and Farkset I'm heading off for now, be back in a bit

Alright!

15. All private topics have daytalk. Any private topics are welcome to request a Discord server.

It doesn't indicate that scum has a daychat PT.

It indicates all PTs have daytalk. Were you considering the fact that scum might not have a PT at all? When's the last time you played in a game where scum didn't have a PT at all?

[Hectic]

15. All private topics have daytalk. Any private topics are welcome to request a Discord server.

It doesn't indicate that scum has a daychat PT.

It indicates ALL PTs have daychat. Were you making the assumption scum did or didn't have a PT at all?

Please answer this.

[Hectic]

Actually you are right. I misread.

Lul, so supposedly how much is it to upgrade your role?

[Hectic]

15. All private topics have daytalk. Any private topics are welcome to request a Discord server.

It doesn't indicate that scum has a daychat PT.

Well, I didn't know. The case is still bullshit.
Like, straight stuff I'd make up if I were scum bullshit.

This doesn't address my question. You said you weren't aware they had a daychat, not PT in general.

[Hectic]

Do you want to fish more?
Realistically, what do you wish to gain in that line of questionning.

How you managed to confuse 1 with whatever number you actually have.

[Hectic]

HURT: springlullaby

[Hectic]

HURT: springlullaby

[Hectic]

Glad we've come to an understanding.

[Hectic]

It depends on my mood, Ame

I will say that I have a problem with being scum in that it makes me more self-aware of being friendly/joking around. I don't want that to be perceived as me using it to get townread.

I just realised I don't know your preference! Do you prefer town or scum? My guess would be town.

[Hectic]

Ame, that was a point to consider for her being town. Her attitude is towny, her reads/thoughts are scummy. I am confectionerused.

Hello

• Do not be alarmed.

---

• • A catalyst

Spoiler:

[/quote]

[Hectic]

Alright, did some reading on Spring. I doubt they're scum. Hectic and Fark, care to try Ginggie out? You both have them pretty low on your lists and we haven't gotten anything from them.

HURT: Ginggie

I don't think I'm changing my vote until springlullaby can address the things at the bottom of this post. Giingie is my vote in spirit though, sure.
VOTE: Giingie

Giingie, who would you harpoon in [Farkset, Pink Ball, Mastina], and who would you send a new refrigerator to in [Ame, Not Known, Lady Chloe]?

I also strongly support making Spring the leader. I'd like to see what they do. I still get mad weird vibes from everyone trying to get everyone into the quest though so I'm still not joining and I suggest that others do the same.

What changed your mind from suspecting she had malicious motives with the agenda she was pushing?

I think her "forgetting" the upgrade cost for her ability and using that as reasoning for being Leader, and her "PT slip" are both fabricated. She refuses to explain either when I confronted her about it earlier.

[Hectic]

HURT: Pine

Sounds good to me.

[Hectic]

I had a dream that I was at a movie theatre/auditorium and none of us could leave until the show was over or else a giant version of Wimpy's avatar would chase us down and scoop us into his bottomless hat. It was terrifying

Seriously? I wish I had more mafiascum related dreams lol.

I still can't help but see Wimpo as a different person to Robbnva. I didn't realise a different avatar would make me see someone so differently, it's really strange.

[Hectic]

My PT concern with springlullaby is that it specifically says ALL PTs have daychat, as she indicated she was aware of here. So, did she assume scum didn't have a PT at all? Her last game had PTs; they just didn't have daytalk.

Though, I think you might be right about her indicating the upgrade not being 1 XP, but in 1XP.

Seriously? I wish I had more mafiascum related dreams lol.

They're usually pretty nice, but this one ended up being quite disturbing. I also had a dream a while ago that nomnom broke into my house and then I gave her a room to stay in and we talked about ceiling fans. I told her about it but I think it weirded her out because she didn't respond


Hectic what is 571? It reminds me of that picture you sent me

What are these dreams
How did nomo appear? Was she constantly chewing? I could see that turning the dream into a nightmare actually.

571 is

Enlightenment

. I'm still not over that image btw, I don't think I ever will be.

[Hectic]

HURT: Ginngie

Quickly, before Ginngie wakes up!

[Hectic]

HURT: Pink Ball

Oh, hey, Ginngie! Nothing to see here...

[Hectic]

mg how do you know how to play with me

hey ya'll im town so just shout my name and i'll read it and respond.

Farkset can get the blade because Pink Ball would never hurt me and if I die tomorrow you all kill mastina and never ever fucking let her go.

As for the fridge, probs Lady Chloe.

no reason tho

Sounds good to me. Exactly the answer I was looking for actually.

[Hectic]

Hectic can I get your answers to these:

Could you go over these reads?

(I see you actually went over me and NK15 already so you can skip those)

Also Hectic I was confused by this. You scum read her because she is playing differently from her scum game?

HURT: Pink Ball

Farkset is town for having very similar reads to me and thoughts that align with my own. He's also not showing any of the behaviour he does as scum....... yet.
Raya's pretty cool because I like her avatar. Her mech thoughts came across as logical and protown (or what she believes is protown). 195 was nice.

I wasn't using that point as a reason to call springlullaby scum. I just thought it was worth mentioning and something that actually pointed to her being town. 2 years ago though, so eh.

[Hectic]

I would never hurt you, Pink Ball. Capturing so I can have you all to myself on the other hand...

[Hectic]

mg how do you know how to play with me

hey ya'll im town so just shout my name and i'll read it and respond.

Farkset can get the blade because Pink Ball would never hurt me and if I die tomorrow you all kill mastina and never ever fucking let her go.

As for the fridge, probs Lady Chloe.

no reason tho

Sounds good to me. Exactly the answer I was looking for actually.

Listen you've sparked my curiosity

Okay, let's say Lady Chloe returns the fridge to you. She's making big complaints and huge allegations: Apparently there's a dead body inside. Pretty morbid.

Who would you now send this fridge out to in [momo, Not Known, Hectic], knowing it'll be a right inconvenience for them?

[Hectic]

Hectic I want to play that game can I be the next one after Ginngie?

Sure

Okay, let's say Lady Chloe returns the fridge to you. She's making big complaints and huge allegations: Apparently there's a dead body inside. Pretty morbid.

Who would you now send this fridge out to in [momo, Not Known, Hectic], knowing it'll be a right inconvenience for them?

momo no doubt

what if i added another body before i sent it to momo

Awesome. momo's really creeped out about this, and confides in Flight of the Conchords to help dispose of the bodies. springlullaby overhears what's going on though, and is now CONVINCED that momo and Flight of the Conchords are responsible.

Do you step in, or reckon they probably deserve it on average? [Pine, Pine, Pine] are waiting on standby as backup.

[Hectic]

It also contain a scumslip as I did not know scum had a PT.

Oh yeah, good point. She specifies PT rather than daychat here.

Usually, when I don't know someone's face, they appear in my dream sort of like things appear in your peripheral vision. But when I do view them directly, they often have a different appearance from scene to scene. So it's usually more about their spirit/essence than their physical appearance.

Interesting. I've heard all faces you see in dreams are ones you've seen before, and that the mind can't invent new ones. I keep seeing this old friend I haven't spoken to in years and years in my dreams, and each time I see him, it makes me think of him while awake, which increases the chance I'll dream of him again... it's a never ending cycle. All this talk of dreams is making me want to get back into lucid dreaming lol

[Hectic]

I like the theory spring talks about so I think I'd stand by and let her watch while I hang out with Pine. For research purposes clearly.

Fantastic. springlullaby demands they declare her a Leader unless they want prison time, while Flight of the Conchords berates momo for being too surface-level and getting them into this mess. momo argues that he doesn't have the power of flight.

You give Pine a sideways glance and realise he's completely vanished. Classic Pine. He left you a gift though: You now have [cop, vig, and neighbourise] shots at your disposal to target these troublemakers with.

[Hectic]

Pine is the character they usually bring back in later seasons and usually only had to leave because of scheduling issues.

Wait is that too meta for the audience?

For the folks at home.

I think if springlullaby is bold enough to declare themselves leader, then sure it's a power grab but they're going to at least be able to make the tough call. momo should be careful of the power of Flight because if momo falls from the skies in conchord, I don't doubt the entire town won't stop their wagons from running over him and throwing him in the fridge. As for Pine, my heart wanders but he usually comes back so I'm fine taking things slow.(This is not me being sad UwU hours(ok maybe)).


Also I've always loved this game

Cop: Hectic
Vig: momo
Neighborize: mastina

Very well. You take out the magnifying glass and put me in your sights. It turns out I am a

Non-Aligned Water Slide Tester

. Satisfied with your result, you move on to the rusty revolver Pine has left you. Despite the wear and tear, it should do the job.

You shoot momo where he stands in cold blood. He collapses to the floor before something magical happens... momo takes flight! However, it soon dawns on you that Flight of the Conchords is simply flying up with his body to toss into a garbage dump. Brutal. springlullaby notices you and gives you a ^knowing nod. She reminds you to

pledge to the quest

.TM

Finally, you pick up the house keys Pine left behind. You know exactly where you're headed next, but you need a lift!

• Ask Ame to teleport you across using her fancy dreamtech. 30% chance of serious trauma.
  
• Ask Pink Ball to fly you over in his chopper. 10% chance of death.
  
• Ask Farkset to lay out some walls for you to walk across. 20% chance of losing free will.

[Hectic]

That one was scum to town, Mastina.

Is this flowchart Ginngie speaks of public domain?

[Hectic]

Being one who loves any signs of approval, springlullaby increases likelihood that I'll invite them on my crew. As for now tho, I don't wish to expose my crew(under mastina's coat of arms) to what spring might do without my help. So I have pledged the 5 shots left in this rusty revolver (My Iron-Will) to the quest and wherever this may take us.

Also, Pink Ball has to bail me out, it's me crew!

Pink Ball swoops in and expertly transports you to the neighbourhood. The ride is surprisingly smooth and there are no hiccups. Halfway through the journey, you're slighly surprised to discover that [Pine] is seated beside you. Classic Pine.
.
.
.
You move into your new home, soon discovering your neighbour - [Mastina] - is probably town.

Story-line

A Bloody Spring

completed! Your rank:

7/10

[Hectic]

My, it might be more fun if the above was not answered.

Sure thing!

Remind me who I should be voting again, Lady Chloe? Capturing springlullaby when she's either a town PR or scum seems pointless.

[Hectic]

As you wish, Lady Chloe.

You are on the RMS Moriarty. The course is set for

XP Island

. However, a tragedy has occurred. Captain

the worst

was killed in a freak accident while

Vending Fruit

to a

Paranoid Gun Owner

. The PGO fled the scene before anyone got a good look at them.

A short time later: springlullaby was found singing poems about Farkset nearby, while Ame was practising her demonic faces. You have a [Hydra, and Portable Ram] at your disposal.

[Hectic]

For the record, Lady Chloe, my guess for your alt:

You used to train at that administration and then formed a team with those other 3. Ring a bell?

[Hectic]

@pink ball and @hectic
Why the votes on Pine? Asking pink ball especially

Honestly, I thought it'd be funny to instantly move my vote after saying I was very unlikely to ever change from springlullaby.

But also, Pine asked to keep stuff game-related and relevant because he wanted to be active this game, and it very much had been up to that point, yet he's still been on hiatus.

[Hectic]

HURT: End Day

[Hectic]

Pros of Capturing:

• Can examine wagons/votes for later.
  
• Capturing scum blocks their ability.

Cons of Capturing:

• Potential to block town PRs, or force them to claim.
  
• Wagon information is less useful as it's not that harmful for scum to bus.
  
• No information from a flip.

I think we No Capture.

[Hectic]

You forgot about xp drain. When scum gets captured they lose all xp and they can't gain this on n1. On n2 they need to train, so it disables their killing abilities them up to n3.
It's main advantage is that it narrows down people capable of nighkilling.
~Kerset

Very good point. I'm back on the Capture Train!!!!!!

HURT: Flight of the Conchords

[Hectic]

VOTE: END DAY

Why are you for ending the day over capturing any of your scumreads?

[Hectic]

HURT: springlullaby

[Hectic]

HURT: springlullaby

Come on, why aren't more people voting this? Ame, Pink Ball, Raya... etc get on here please.

I'd have expected springlullaby if actually a town voyeur to have brought it up more often, and argued the fact she shouldn't be captured because her actions can be verified. She hasn't mentioned her role once since claiming it.

[Hectic]

Who are your Leader/Capture proposals today, Ame?

[Hectic]

Yes! Vote for springlullaby.

[Hectic]

Oh, I thought you meant hammered rather than plurality at deadline (like the ability vote).

[Hectic]

I thought you wanted to capture springlullaby a little while ago because she was lowering morale/spirits? Pushing her as leader encourages her behaviour and does the opposite.

Honestly, I have no idea what alignment springlullaby is, but I would feel really bad if she was scum and I townread her for this play. Admittedly, my vote is very biased.

Also, thanks lul. Btw, do you have the avatar you were using before you went on your mini hiatus like a few weeks back? Need it for reasons.

[Hectic]

Do you flip upon death? Being an IC treestump would be really cool.

You should've tried crumbing cop or another powerful role in an obvious way such that any competent scum could spot it.

[Hectic]

Nice! Well, here's hoping a vig exists in that case. If not, I'm not sure how late lynching would be made available for us. Day 3 seems too early, since it would mean your ability doesn't matter unless you're killed exactly on night 1, so maybe day 4+?? Quest rewards could maybe play a part too though.

[Hectic]

grumble grumble
Fine. My vote is entirely biased at this point. Now, the question is where I should be voting instead.

[Hectic]

Wait, no. I admit I'm trying to find reasons to scumread her, but:
-Her unprompted claim. Not bringing it up at any point after.
-745
-Her reads/takes completely disalign with my own.

I don't see anywhere else that's better right now.

[Hectic]

^So, now the goalpost is I'm not being equally suspicious of people who have made setup speculation error?
Why do your reason to suspect me changes every post you make?

---

For the record.

Hectic not scum with either Farkset or Mastina.

Because scum always defend scum?

Why not scum? They've both been defending me.

Because scum always defend scum? Is that what you think?

Because scum always defend scum?

No, they don't, but why in this case do you think Farkran/Mastina are not scum defending scum!me?

I think it's unlikely that scum would buddy their buddy that hard.
Does that make sense?

Are you saying that when you flip scum, mastina and Fakran should be looked at as your buddies?

Actually Hectic and Farkset can be scum together again.

Explain what changed in that last post, springlullaby.

[Hectic]

Lady Chloe, I leaked a readslist of yours that one time. I know you deny all main guesses even if correct though.

springlullaby, you're just so amazing that I can't stop thinking about you.

[Hectic]

Sigh, who should I vote then, Ame? I think Pink Ball, Giingie, and momo are probably worth looking into.

[Hectic]

HURT: momo

[Hectic]

I keep thinking Ginngie is spelt as Giingie too! Is that because you've been spelling it wrong since the start?

The "exactly what I was looking for" was a joke. She's almost entirely null. Mastina soulreads her as town which might be worth something though.

[Hectic]

The dichotomy isn't described by that last sentence - i mean, those would be the scummy people who interacted poorly around spring. The true dichotomy is wk vs attack, and those can be sorted by spring flip.

I think he's saying it'll be easier to spot scum either TMIing her as town, or chainsaw defending her if we have a flip, and not that he's assuming everyone around her is doing one of the two. By examining those with "poor interactions" with her. Eh, I don't think it'll be "easier", but we'll know which if the two to look for I guess.

I'll get to the rest of your questions tomorrow. I must sleep.

[Hectic]

Glad I could help, Ginny!

[Hectic]

Are you trying to haunt my dreams with whatever that is or soemthing

Good night

[Hectic]

V/LA until the 24th

. I'll still be trying to read and contribute when I can.

[Hectic]

Woah, I see a lot's happened. I'll try and read through everything later in the evening.

[Hectic]

How can you tell I'm here lurking, Ame?

[Hectic]

No. This is what you forced upon me, the false dichotomy that you've been talking about but was never there in the first place. The true dichotomy is "people who behaved weirdly around springlullaby" VS "people who had reasons behind their behavior around springlullaby". And it's different than what you said there.

Nope. It's literally what you said:

1) distance themselves by

having the scumteam side with or against springlullaby

2) those who are

siding against her

(and the majority) are

pushing a very easy lhf

3) those who are

siding with her

will be

pocketing her

hard because she is the one with surface reads/reactions

There are people whiteknighting him for very little reason and people who instead sheep the attackers. Depending on her flip i think

we can identify if she was being TMIed town or chainsaw defended as scum.

Alright, so your case here is that Farkan is approaching the advantages to lynching springlullaby in too many directions, correct? Since he's proposed lynching her allows us to look into-

this if she's town:

Scum TMIing her as town.
Scum pushing a low hanging fruit.
Scum pocketing her.

this if she's scum:

Scum chainsaw defending her.

I don't think in your heart (or possibly mind) you really believe she is scum. Don't let the bias cloud your judgment! If Spring is just a fallback why haven't you pushed anyone else? Also why do you keep engaging with Spring when clearly nothing is coming out of your interaction except a loop of 'NO U'

You are correct. I think she's probably town but it's a read I'd feel terrible about being wrong on. I keep trying to engage with her because I see thought processes/reads that don't make sense to me, but she doesn't seem to want to answer my questions with anything other than "^scum that doesn't read the thread", so I've given up now. I don't have a reason for not trying to push anyone else.

Hectic (1) what do you think about the case Farkset made in 454? (2) What do you think about the reasoning in their post here:

Unless i have past experiences with you, i'd like to see you quote some posts of mine that are surface level and delusional/manipulative.

For the record, based on this post, 550 and 313 VS the "opposition" i think there is a clear fracture around springlullaby and how to treat her slot. There is only one reason currently to believe she could be town, and that's how others are behaving around her. I think it's more than plausible that scum are putting up a theater to achieve several results:

1) distance themselves by having the scumteam side with or against springlullaby
2) those who are siding against her (and the majority) are pushing a very easy lhf
3) those who are siding with her will be pocketing her hard because she is the one with surface reads/reactions

(3) Are you able to interpret the first part of 760? And if so could you translate? If not, what's your best guess?

1 - Pretty weak honestly. I think the theory is towny though because a tinfoil theory like that is more likely to come from someone with a green role, to be thinking about those sort of things.
2 - That post is kind of strange because he's expressing strong confidence in springlullaby being scum, unless people around her are behaving in a certain way. I fail to understand why how people are acting around her makes an independent scumread on her weaker. I can see what you mean that he's trying to approach from all angles and is being too "political".
3 - I've answered this!

[Hectic]

Blessed Ones,

And even if spring was scum which is unlikely, roleblocking a claimed voyeur is not ideal

This is the underlying point on why I haven't voted to capture springlullaby.

As well as point on my hesitance to capture. Some PRs may mechanically need as many XP-gain opportunities as available to effectively serve town.

Capture is not a lynch, but some town players may feel the reward of using their powers to it's highest potential to outweigh the risk of claiming.

This is my final point on the ability of no capture. I accept rebuttals.

I agree on not capturing springlullaby today. However, do you not think it beneficial to capture someone due to what Kerset said here?

You forgot about xp drain. When scum gets captured they lose all xp and they can't gain this on n1. On n2 they need to train, so it disables their killing abilities them up to n3.
It's main advantage is that it narrows down people capable of nighkilling.
~Kerset

• Mafia lose XP if captured. Town do not.
  
• We can rule out someone from being able to perform the scum nightkill on night 1 and 2.

[Hectic]

momo, could you look over the reasons Ame's given for springlullaby being town, and see if you still think she should be captured today?
585 602 792

[Hectic]

Hectic,

As you wish, Lady Chloe.

You are on the RMS Moriarty. The course is set for

XP Island

. However, a tragedy has occurred. Captain

the worst

was killed in a freak accident while

Vending Fruit

to a

Paranoid Gun Owner

. The PGO fled the scene before anyone got a good look at them.

A short time later: springlullaby was found singing poems about Farkset nearby, while Ame was practising her demonic faces. You have a [Hydra, and Portable Ram] at your disposal.

Hydra. They have more eyes for different ways of seeing, and lips to make it harder to speak any lies.

Nice. You carefully take out the hydra you had stored in your backpack. This one has 3 heads, and you hear several complaints behind you about how you're "ruining the game" and that "all hydras should be policy lynched". Your hydra snaps at them and scares the heathens away.

springlullaby has stopped singing Farkset's praises and is now staring at you inquisitively. Her eyes are sending a flurry of ^s your way. Ame seems to have fallen asleep; she must be entering her dreams to figure out the mastermind behind Captain

the worst's

murder.

Which players from [Flavor Leaf, Ginnie, Something_Smart, momo, Raya36, popsofctown] does your hydra contain? And who would you like to approach of [springlullaby, Ame]?

[Hectic]

How can you tell I'm here lurking, Ame?

It says you're online on the bottom of the page.

You're bamboozling me, right?

Prove it with a screenshot.

[Hectic]

That jumpscared me lol

[Hectic]

Fine,

Leader: Ame

Ame has this nasty habit of being REALLY good at scum, so the paranoia will always be there, but her role is +town. I should've asked more about that actually.

Ame, did you think about the route of claiming a cop? You could've done this in several ways, like pretending to get aggravated into in-the-moment(I forgot the word for it) claiming, or you could've acted scummy so that you got run up by votes, and then claimed with reasoning to avoid getting roleblocked. I think you could've pulled it off and fooled scum.

Will catch on the rest at some point. No idea when.

[Hectic]

I read your scumgame a few days ago, Ame.

I like the new avatar. Where's it from?

[Hectic]

Ame, what did you gather from asking me those questions about Farkran?

[Hectic]

I haven't given the Farkan/Ame conflict the attention it deserves. I expect I won't be able to until the 24th.

momo is still scummy to me.

Ginnie, are mastina replace outs AI in any way?

[Hectic]

Hectic,

As you wish, Lady Chloe.

You are on the RMS Moriarty. The course is set for

XP Island

. However, a tragedy has occurred. Captain

the worst

was killed in a freak accident while

Vending Fruit

to a

Paranoid Gun Owner

. The PGO fled the scene before anyone got a good look at them.

A short time later: springlullaby was found singing poems about Farkset nearby, while Ame was practising her demonic faces. You have a [Hydra, and Portable Ram] at your disposal.

Hydra. They have more eyes for different ways of seeing, and lips to make it harder to speak any lies.

Nice. You carefully take out the hydra you had stored in your backpack. This one has 3 heads, and you hear several complaints behind you about how you're "ruining the game" and that "all hydras should be policy lynched". Your hydra snaps at them and scares the heathens away.

springlullaby has stopped singing Farkset's praises and is now staring at you inquisitively. Her eyes are sending a flurry of ^s your way. Ame seems to have fallen asleep; she must be entering her dreams to figure out the mastermind behind Captain

the worst's

murder.

Which players from [Flavor Leaf, Ginnie, Something_Smart, momo, Raya36, popsofctown] does your hydra contain? And who would you like to approach of [springlullaby, Ame]?

The hydra consists of:
Something_Smart. popsofctown. Ginngie.

Those three are ones I am most familiar with, are on good terms with, and would solve best with. Yes, this is an allusion to potential mains.

I would approach springlullaby to understand the shift in her attitude.

springlullaby points at you^ and then at Ame^. She proclaims she's being BoPed and that she is the only rightful leader.

popsofctown offers to play

Advance Wars: Dual Strike

with her. She refuses.
Something_Smart offers to calculate

EV

with her. She refuses.
Ginngie appears to be preoccupied watching

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

. Fair enough.

This appears to be unproductive. Meanwhile, mastina jumps overboard, taking several walls with her! This is worrying; you're unsure if the ship will remain stable with the weakened infrastructure. Farkran and Ame do their best to put up some more, but it is a losing battle, and the ship is sinking.

Would you like to [Also Jump], [Ask Flight of the Conchords to give you a lift], or [Escape into Ame's dreamverse]?

[Hectic]

Is anyone willing to settle on Pink Ball?

He feels more like uninterested town recently. I think him noticing I was more serious than usual, and then metaing me to establish that as NAI was town-indicative.

[Hectic]

Sounds like a sweet deal to me. I'll be happy to sheep a wagon on myself.

[Hectic]

Ame, you felt a little hesitant entering the game, but then your anti-consensus takes like randomly switching ability votes, and then your sudden turn on springlullaby from scum to town without explanation was towny and contrasts your scumgame. That's what I can remember.

[Hectic]

NK isn't town to you Bret?

Chloe, I ask about Hectic because I feel his play is more similar to his scum game than his town games. So I'm trying to see what everyone else is seeing.

Interesting, in what way?

[Hectic]

@Hectic No pushes/little scum hunting/few reads. Like you're on the periphery of the game rather than the center. (this is pre v/la btw)

I think that fits my scumgame with you, but not my other recent one. I've had plenty of towngames where this is the case.

You're definitely staying off the quest then? I'm not sure who else I'd commit to right now, but I have been townreading Not Known this game.

[Hectic]

Thanks btw, Farkran <3

I really wouldn't want to be the type of player that can be locktowned because their scum meta is hot garbage.

[Hectic]

My only reason is that Spring seems to really not want me to be in the quest. I don't know why and haven't been able to figure it out from her answers. If we can get NK/FotC I'm off. Otherwise, I'll stay on.

She wants you to stay off because she wants to be the leader lul

[Hectic]

Escape into Ame's dreamverse.

May I ask, do my answers provide any insight into my line of thoughts? Is this for fun? Or both?

I've slowly moved you from my scumreads to a strong townread based off of your answers. It gives me easy access into your inner-psyche and allows me to discern your alignment by soulreading you. In other words; it's entirely for fun.

I hope that doesn't mean you want to halt the campaign!

[Hectic]

You dive head first into Ame's dreamverse. Immediately, a cascade of vivid imagery and concepts bombard you. The overload of information is almost deafening, and you shield your eyes as a flurry of Farkran scumcases fly past you, barely missing your head. It seems that Ame has a

lot

on her mind.

You look up and see springlullaby, Not Known, and Flight of the Conchords high above you. They are surrounded by an aura of masonries and seem to be regarded as

Innocent Child

ren here. Then, you see it. Captain

the worst's

body; his beak is crooked and his feathers tainted with crimson. How could you, Ame.

You need to settle this once and for all. Do you [Report, Hammer, or AtE] Ame?

[Hectic]

Also, Holy WHAT a shiki and Hectic hydra?! That's too much wonderfulness in one slot.

I'm really looking forward to it! Her playstyle is so distinct and interesting.

[Hectic]

You dive head first into Ame's dreamverse. Immediately, a cascade of vivid imagery and concepts bombard you. The overload of information is almost deafening, and you shield your eyes as a flurry of Farkran scumcases fly past you, barely missing your head. It seems that Ame has a

lot

on her mind.

You look up and see springlullaby, Not Known, and Flight of the Conchords high above you. They are surrounded by an aura of masonries and seem to be regarded as

Innocent Child

ren here. Then, you see it. Captain

the worst's

body; his beak is crooked and his feathers tainted with crimson. How could you, Ame.

You need to settle this once and for all. Do you [Report, Hammer, or AtE] Ame?

My first instinct is to Hammer, to arrive at a concrete conclusion for the supposed masonry by action.

But then I remember this is Ame's mind, and not quite reality.

AtE. Understand her perspective. If others do not and cannot?

Screw them.

I must arrive at my own conclusions.

You engage in dialogue with Ame's mind. You ask why she would commit such a crime and try and understand her motives. Ame tells you that the body of

the worst

is only a vision of the solve she had just concluded as you entered. She points out that the worst was shot and asks you to infer who did it.

Kerset attempts to chip in but you leave the dreamverse before you can hear what he says.

You pull out your trusty revolver. Everyone is gathered on the ship's deck. Who do you shoot?

[Hectic]

The shot rings out and you immediately have their attention. They're all turned to face you, and you see a wave of fear and doubt wash over their faces.

You explain to them that it's rather simple, and that you know the worst was shot to death due to seeing Ame's dream. They seem incredulous. Then, Pine points out the fact that you seem to be holding a gun yourself. Curious.

You recall back on everyone's appearance on the ship. Who would possess a gun? Or were

you

the murderer all along? Make your decision.

[Hectic]

The shot rings out and you immediately have their attention. They're all turned to face you, and you see a wave of fear and doubt wash over their faces.

You explain to them that it's rather simple, and that you know the worst was shot to death due to seeing Ame's dream. They seem incredulous. Then, Pine points out the fact that you seem to be holding a gun yourself. Curious.

You recall back on everyone's appearance on the ship. Who would possess a gun? Or were

you

the murderer all along? Make your decision.

I am no murderer of ducks. But everyone has reason to suspect me.

I contemplate throwing the gun overboard, but that leads nowhere.
I contemplate kicking the gun in the middle of everyone, but that is risky.

I put the gun to the ground and rest my heel on it. I cross my arms, eyes moving from Ame, to the hydra, to Pine, and back to everyone else.

Surely, someone has a comment.

Raya36 steps forwards to address you. Her gaze darts to the gun resting beneath your heel, then at you, and then flicker over to momo. You follow her eyes:



Now that you notice it; momo does seem to be holding a submachine gun. Interesting.

Your hydra notices too and growls silently. You see momo's fingers tense on his gun.

Do you [Quickdraw your

other

Trusty Revolver, Cast Fireball, or use the Power of Friendship]?

[Hectic]

Wait, hang on a second, Ame; where have you played with shiki before? Or is this on your super secret alt?

[Hectic]

Capturing town to "rule them out" from having done a nightkill is actually a terrible idea. Ame, were you reaction testing/serious about that plan? Have you changed your mind on springlullaby being town again?

momo's still my scumlean so I'm keeping my vote on him.

[Hectic]

Alright, Miami.

HURT: springlullaby

[Hectic]

32 minutes. Vote springlullaby if you exist.

[Hectic]

Lul, well played, Ame.

I think I was the target of the quest scum roleblock yesterday.

[Hectic]

Stand by, I think a mod error has been made.

Oh, sorry.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

Will catch up tonight!

[Hectic]

Alright, time to catch up! What'd I miss, Ame?

[Hectic]

1279 is very towny.
1280 is scummy. So is 1284. I don't understand how you can already start writing that off as bussing in good faith.

I have to ask that we minimize discussion with Spring for today for the sake of game health.
I think it's clear her intentions are to make the game difficult/unenjoyable to read.
We also ought not lynch her since she was captured yesterday and cannot perform the night kill if scum.

You're probably correct, but there is still the chance mafia start with 2 XP. Unfortunately, it doesn't specify in Farkset's role flip.

lol *reveals largest scum tell about never interacting with my teammates*

Who revealed this scumtell? Or are you saying this is a scumtell for you?

[Hectic]

This would be an Ame and Knight hydra:

Spoiler:

We still need to do the impersonating thing at some point btw.

I think spring is just town actually, thinking back on the Farkset-spring stuff. It might be a good idea to lynch her just to increase town cohesion and allow us to work together better, but I do think she probably flips town. I think her attacking Ame today is very emotionally-fuelled from Ame being the main reason she was captured yesterday.

[Hectic]

It makes perfect sense if they lost 1xp due to capture, though.

Yesterday she was seeing she needed to be @2XP to upgrade. She should be at 1XP now so she should only need 1 more to upgrade. It's weird that she asked for 2.

...that's a good point.

spring, you need to address why you needed 2 XP yesterday, and still need 2 XP today. Did you receive 1 XP from Flight of the Conchords? Don't just ignore this, or we will have to lynch you.

[Hectic]

1359 is towny from Not Known.
Agree with Ame on thoughts regarding Ginnie.

Reads list coming up.

[Hectic]

Ame
Pine
springlullaby
Ginngie
Not Known 15
Raya36
Lady Chloe
Pink Ball
knightmare491
momo

VOTE: momo

[Hectic]

There should be no concerns about giving scum the power object once we are within a quest. My role is such that once we are within a quest, I can basically get myself confirmed as town through the mod posted leader vote counts. Everyone should join the quest.

Apologies for not posting sooner. I ask that you not roleblock me. As people are beginning to doubt my claim that I can prove myself town in quest, I will explain. I'm an adventure who is basically a quest leader double voter. This isn't the kind of role given to scum, which once I use it, proves me town. To prove myself town, there's a simple plan.

One person will be lynched at the end of this day and the remaining 12 will go to the quest. We decide who the leader should be, but then vote for 3 different people, putting 4 votes on each. Whoever I'm voting for (and it will be the person we decide should be the leader) will become the leader.

I'm willing to vote anyone but spring and flight for leader within the quest as I scum read them both.

Thoughts?

Replacing Lady Chloe and momo.

Why momo is probably scum.

[Hectic]

Apologies for not posting sooner. I ask that you not roleblock me. As people are beginning to doubt my claim that I can prove myself town in quest, I will explain. I'm an adventure who is basically a quest leader double voter. This isn't the kind of role given to scum, which once I use it, proves me town. To prove myself town, there's a simple plan.

One person will be lynched at the end of this day and the remaining 12 will go to the quest. We decide who the leader should be, but then vote for 3 different people, putting 4 votes on each. Whoever I'm voting for (and it will be the person we decide should be the leader) will become the leader.

I'm willing to vote anyone but spring and flight for leader within the quest as I scum read them both.

Thoughts?

Why is Raya so low? Or is it just that the others happen to be higher?

Others happen to be higher. I still townlean her; her conversation with you earlier this day phase was pretty towny.

[Hectic]

To: Ame
From: Hectic

Spoiler:

Llama Ame,

I shall acceptance this invitation into the

T

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n

C

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r

e

. I hope this content your expectations.

Love,
Hectic

[Hectic]

To: Ginnie
From: Hectic

Spoiler:

Greetings Ginnie,

It's me. Have you heard about the rumours of the

H

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s

h

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g

i

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g

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l

a

s

h

e

r

? He goes by the name

momo

.

Love,
Hectic

[Hectic]

To: Ame
From: Hectic

Spoiler:

Alpaca Ame,

My bank a count does not allow unauthorised transactions and I must therefore iris Eve £50 from you so that you can become a trusted recipient such that I am able to send over and under the £300.

Humblest Abodes,
Hectoc

[Hectic]

You didn't reply to my esteemed letter.

[Hectic]

grumble grumble

I'll resend it.

[Hectic]

To: Ame
From: Hectic

Spoiler:

Guanaco Ame,

I believe my previous letter may have slipped through the cracks. Might have been a lazy postman or corruption in the mailing service that I serviced. I will look into this. Here is the original letter:

To: Ame
From: Hectic

Alpaca Ame,

My bank a count does not allow unauthorised transactions and I must therefore iris Eve £50 from you so that you can become a trusted recipient such that I am able to send over and under the £300.

Humblest Abodes,
Hectoc

That marks the end of the original letter. What you are reading now is part of the new letter - just to clarify. I hope this is acceptable, and I yearn you to have a satisfactory day.

Dearest Remarks,
Hoctic

[Hectic]

Spoiler:

[Hectic]

VOTE: Raya

I agree with Ame's thoughts regarding Raya. I was feeling pinged as well when I read that readslist. Some of the wording also felt a little like scum trying to be too transparent that I've seen sometimes happens.

I do enjoy this new way you case people, Ame. I received all your letters and they were fantastically contradictory. I'll get back to you but I just ran out of ink, so I've ordered a new shipment that you'll have to wait on.

[Hectic]

I'm Madoka btw.

Wow, outing your super secret alt on a whim like that.

Creature's felt towny since replacing in just because of meta. Knightmare I can't remember, will have a look back at both later.

[Hectic]

Another RWBY character???