Mini 2129 - Anime U-Pick: Shuffle [ALL HAIL THE WEEBS(OVER)]

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VOTE: moderator
for being a fake weeb

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VOTE: moderator
for being a fake weeb

I have it on good authority

Whoever got my anime pick, fuck you.

VOTE: GIF

-Tataru

It's a shuffle?

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so who's scum?

i am

-Tataru

no u

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wait.

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wait.

get rekt nerd haha

-Tataru

rectum

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I start to think that Kaname really hates me. First on Magia he gave me the weakest role, shot of roleblocker, who can't even block fractional kills.

Here i got Miller...

have you tried being someone the mod likes?

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How about we make a chain for fun? I will send a kawaii picture in my PT and each person, who receive it has to send it forward in their PT. If everything goes well i should receive it from my picker.

like telephone?

I will mistake the picture for something truly glorious, then

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How about we make a chain for fun? I will send a kawaii picture in my PT and each person, who receive it has to send it forward in their PT. If everything goes well i should receive it from my picker.

No. I hate fun.

Only fake weeb would refuse to see kawaii anime pic
VOTE: RC

only a fake weeb would not watch monogatari

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I haven't seen it

if u don't vote me after this post, I'm voting you on policy of all liars are scum

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I have seen both monster and monogatari. One of those was tedious and you will never know which one is it.

both?

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VOTE: Yshtola and Tataru

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I thought for the longest time that the Ank hydra was Ank and Taly not Ank and bitmap :smh:

I can claim, I just have a personal distaste for mass claiming and I've already divulged who I am to the person who picked my character. Not that it matters at all, I just really enjoy that we did something clever.

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I thought for the longest time that the Ank hydra was Ank and Taly not Ank and bitmap :smh:

I can claim, I just have a personal distaste for mass claiming and I've already divulged who I am to the person who picked my character. Not that it matters at all, I just really enjoy that we did something clever.

wow i wish my guy can use the code word i put in the hood

haha nerd

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I wonder whenever people are opportunistic, because they hope to pull something here or they lack of leads and catch on it to have something.

Do you have something more concrete?

What more could you want?

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@person who has my character: don't forget there is a thread that I am writing to you in and I have posted things that you are capable of reading.

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Yeah I like them for town so far.
Bitmap will become and easier read the longer the game gets and atm I feel pretty comfortable with calling them town.

Also, my townbloc atm is {Kerset, Norwee, Shtola, Adu}

@person who has my character: don't forget there is a thread that I am writing to you in and I have posted things that you are capable of reading.

Would you like to share those things with the thread?

I tend to try to keep certain things between myself and a select group of people until I've achieved enough clarity to accurately communicate the items I wish to share. I also believe in minimizing information sharing between town players until necessary.

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Yeah I like them for town so far.
Bitmap will become and easier read the longer the game gets and atm I feel pretty comfortable with calling them town.

Also, my townbloc atm is {Kerset, Norwee, Shtola, Adu}

Adu is the only one I'd feel comfortable having in a townblock.

Why don't you like Kerset?

Why leave Norwee/Shtola unmentioned?

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There is so much going on that I keep trying to take down that every time I start to note a different idea, something new comes up and distracts me.

I'm going to be very mentally behind this game.

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There is so much going on that I keep trying to take down that every time I start to note a different idea, something new comes up and distracts me.

I'm going to be very mentally behind this game.

Be my sheep instead.

You must have a pretty good handle on the game?

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@1 hour, 4 minutes ago

I'm slow sometimes, sorry. i have read everything you've written, however.

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There is so much going on that I keep trying to take down that every time I start to note a different idea, something new comes up and distracts me.

I'm going to be very mentally behind this game.

Be my sheep instead.

You must have a pretty good handle on the game?

I'm 100% accurate 50% of the time. You can trust me.

You and I will both roll a dice. If it's even, you sheep me, if it's odd, I sheep you. That way, the 50% of the time when you're right, I follow you, and the other 50% of the time, you follow me.

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There is so much going on that I keep trying to take down that every time I start to note a different idea, something new comes up and distracts me.

I'm going to be very mentally behind this game.

Be my sheep instead.

You must have a pretty good handle on the game?

I'm 100% accurate 50% of the time. You can trust me.

You and I will both roll a dice. If it's even, you sheep me, if it's odd, I sheep you. That way, the 50% of the time when you're right, I follow you, and the other 50% of the time, you follow me.

Just do this for every wagon until we win. No tag-backs. If one of us votes for someone, we both roll dice and the other proposes the player that we go to instead. You can't vote for someone you're currently on to get an infinite chain until you win, you have to move to another wagon.

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There is so much going on that I keep trying to take down that every time I start to note a different idea, something new comes up and distracts me.

I'm going to be very mentally behind this game.

Good, thanks. Yeah, I'll catch up. I'm town reading you, so I trust you for the most part at the moment. I really appreciate you still talking to me, it's helping me correct and adjust my thoughts. I'm trying to do the same for my person, but I don't know how much they're reading.

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There is so much going on that I keep trying to take down that every time I start to note a different idea, something new comes up and distracts me.

I'm going to be very mentally behind this game.

Be my sheep instead.

You must have a pretty good handle on the game?

I'm 100% accurate 50% of the time. You can trust me.

You and I will both roll a dice. If it's even, you sheep me, if it's odd, I sheep you. That way, the 50% of the time when you're right, I follow you, and the other 50% of the time, you follow me.

What if my dice is odd and yours is even?

Good point. You should be the only one to roll, then.

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I'm game enter. When I'm ready to vote I will invoke this rule. And if you vote I will also invoke the rule.

affirmative

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Where did Y&T go?

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you know
i want to say that as scum, you don't try to introduce me to new information that shades yourself.
thats what I want to think atm.

ITT WD tries desperately to find an excuse to town read Kerset while Kerset refutes their every move.

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I didn't like the chain idea at the time and I still don't.

Is it possible you could elaborate on this?

As I understand it it's just a game of telephone with a picture. I don't know how that relays who sent the picture to who. It just sounded like a thing to do.

A sends a picture to B. Now B knows that B will hear the voices of A. B then sends a picture to C so C knows who they're hearing voices from.

Pretty sure you already know who you're hearing from, TBH.

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You just don't necessarily know who you're talking to

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you know
i want to say that as scum, you don't try to introduce me to new information that shades yourself.
thats what I want to think atm.

ITT WD tries desperately to find an excuse to town read Kerset while Kerset refutes their every move.

Ok Enter.
Let's play this game.

As scum you claim miller.
When I say "They likely wouldn't claim miller as scum"
would you
A. Shade yourself and introduce me to new evidence that would likely cause me to change your read on you or
B. Keep the read because it works for you.

idunno dude, A doesn't make sense to me.

This is a pretty defensive overreaction to a joke.

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VOTE: Wonderful Deceit

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you know
i want to say that as scum, you don't try to introduce me to new information that shades yourself.
thats what I want to think atm.

ITT WD tries desperately to find an excuse to town read Kerset while Kerset refutes their every move.

Ok Enter.
Let's play this game.

As scum you claim miller.
When I say "They likely wouldn't claim miller as scum"
would you
A. Shade yourself and introduce me to new evidence that would likely cause me to change your read on you or
B. Keep the read because it works for you.

idunno dude, A doesn't make sense to me.

This is a pretty defensive overreaction to a joke.

That was a joke?

...

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VOTE: wonderfuldeceit

That's not against the rules right?

the vote isn't provably random, so no.

at least imo

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@mod

I have posting access to the pt of my roles picker. I don't think this is intentional. If it is, disregard.

I think everyone does? I don't know that the mod knows how to make it view only (and I don't personally remember)

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VOTE: wonderfuldeceit

That's not against the rules right?

Nope. It's actually listed in the unwritten rules that all hydras must die. So this is fully within your legal rights.

Where's your vote?

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Ali/M has had a pretty controlling attitude this game from the get-go and discussion topics that were pushed include mass-claiming (for no verifiable reason), various anime randomness, reaction gifs, and some fence-sitty redirect-y sort of items. Two of the other less town-players in the game have both been plied by this player (chemist and Norwee), but redirected without any real push. In fact, thread tempo seems to be very much controlled by Ali/M, and while I admit that I'm pretty typically made at least slightly uncomfortable by this play style in general, I don't really see how theirs is pushing much of a town motivation. They very much seem to be attempting to coach Chemist/Norwee and they pushed a town block pretty early into the game with little to no provocation. They overreacted and got rather defensive at my post and I'm really starting to see them as pretty scummy right now.

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VOTE: wonderfuldeceit

That's not against the rules right?

Nope. It's actually listed in the unwritten rules that all hydras must die. So this is fully within your legal rights.

Where's your vote?

Can you chill?
I think it's a interesting take you've come up with. But i want to get a better grasp for alignments of the rest of the slots in the game.

you had no hesitation at being the last one on Y&T, but there's two votes on WD rn and your vote is on absolutely no one at the moment.

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@Norwee, how many votes were on Y&T when you voted them? But you're hesitant now?

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@Abu talk to me

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enter have you played with ali before?

once. a while ago, and there were other significantly more attention-attracting items present until e replaced out

why?

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enter have you played with ali before?

once. a while ago, and there were other significantly more attention-attracting items present until e replaced out

why?

As far as i saw E likes to use anime gifs and staff, especially in environment like this. It was very random thing to call out.

I haven't seen them do it yet in the other game, but when I talked about that I guess I was more referring to their post-count to read strength ratio. They look like they're trying to contribute a lot w/o necessarily doing much at all.

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I agree that mass-claiming wasn't necessarily a good idea. I definitely don't like sharing information for the sake of sharing information. :/

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you know
i want to say that as scum, you don't try to introduce me to new information that shades yourself.
thats what I want to think atm.

ITT WD tries desperately to find an excuse to town read Kerset while Kerset refutes their every move.

I don't understand how you can simultaneously assume that Kerset as scum pushes herself being read as scum and that I believe that she does.
Therefore this post must be a joke if you put any sort of thought into it past an initial glance.

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VOTE: Enter

-Tataru

Alright maybe I was wrong.

VOTE: Yshtola and Tataru

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Garbage vote following garbage post

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Let's do this.

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Chainsaw doesn't work if you're scummier than the person you're trying to defend.

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400 isn't a response to my post that exhibits and understanding of my intent, nor does it explain where you found justification for the absolutely terrible vote you placed on me. And it definitely does not explain where your inexplicable scum read of me came from.

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400 is effectively fluff that serves no purpose in the game except to display a false attempt at effort.

I have a hard time believing you legitimately think that post in any way justifies your vote on me.

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Me voting a player for being scummy when they're scum is very different from you voting for a towny player that has exhibited nothing but town characteristics this game.

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Scum lies here. Bet on it. However, in post-edit, once I saw the wagon, I am abstaining my vote for a brief moment. I don't like the wagon. I did not even realize it was close to L-2.

This is about where I'm at.

UNVOTE: Enter
VOTE: Kerset

For those who would give their lives for the cause, for those who would see this world restored.
For those who will live in better times, and for those who now live to see it happen.
We must vanquish the Sin Eaters, for without, history cannot be undone.

~Y'shtola

Do you also think Enter is town?

A Warrior of Light speaks for those with no voice. The loud exemplify this fact, for they carry the weight of burden on their shoulders. Those who believe are righteous, and the righteous are those that wish to change the world. It is clear, thus, that those who would speak loudly to further their cause are Warriors of Light, despite their misguided nature. Only a Sin Eater would falter without due cause.

Ooff. But also; Thanks.

I can support a Chemist vote, @RCE.

I'd like to hear how players who

do

watch monogatari read right now.

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No. Is it good?

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The art style is kind of intimidating, and for that reason I've been putting off watching it.

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I'd like to hear how players who do watch monogatari read right now.

To rephrase: I assume from your stance you don't assign much weight to opinions of you right now?

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You know what they say: Legends never die. Not sure how that's particularly relevant at the moment, but it came to mind. I'll probably get around to it soon enough. I haven't seen a lot recently, to be honest. I usually only watch what people specifically recommend to me (and more often, are willing to watch with me) - there's so much out there that it's scary to try to get into it on your own. Especially if you get I to a show and find out it's garbage.

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I think we're in a similar enough place on most players, then. I'll chalk my suspicion of Ali up to lack of exposure for now.
I am as well.

I can agree on lurkers. VOTE: Chemist

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Who are you talking to?

The person who picked my character.

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Oh, good. It's not that I thought you were dense, but you did miss my first post, so... :DD

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Yeah. Getting out of RVS is awkward. I wish Ank would post more - I'd rather try to read that head than bitmap

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It bugs me how many different directions today seems to be taking, and in what feels like an orderly fashion. I wish I could share other items more publicly, but as displayed earlier, I'm no paragon of communication.

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Who are you talking to?

The person who picked my character.

Sorry. I've had people get pissed over me not talking about smaller things before, and I'm not really in the mood to deal with that sort of thing at the moment, otherwise I wouldn't have.

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I was mostly just referring to reads and interactions/questions associated with the like, but I agree there is likely a lot more going on here than face value, especially based on certain rulings made by the moderator. It's one of the reasons I'm opposed to mass claiming for no discernable reason.

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I struggle to see how you can agree with me on this, however, and disagree with me at least on that part of Ali's play.

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Yeah. Getting out of RVS is awkward. I wish Ank would post more - I'd rather try to read that head than bitmap

Wahaha



ok i join chemist wagon

VOTE: Chemist

-Tataru

My bad, let me give you some context.
Getting out of RVS is awkward for new/inexperienced/slow players and scum. You'll have to forgive me for not necessarily thinking you're in the first group.

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My bad, let me give you some context.
Getting out of RVS is awkward for new/inexperienced/slow players and scum. You'll have to forgive me for not necessarily thinking you're in the first group.

Although you're rapidly proving that I should.

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Eh. I shouldn't have lashed like that.

I'm sorry.

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You did miss the understanding but it's also my fault for talking in public.

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~
You do realize that we were the first person on the wagon and it was an RvS vote, correct? We haven't "dodged" taking a stance on them, we

had no stance

because the vote, at least from my side of the head, is not indicative of a scumread from us
~

-Light

You are fine with the fact that your RVS vote contributes to L-2 wagon on person that you have no stance about. That is scum mindset. You hope for mislynch without getting your hands dirty. My whole point here is your opportunistic ignorance.

~

Why would either of us expect a wagon at L-2 to be carelessly quick hammered just a few IRL days into the game,

and added on to that, at the point of your post, neither of us had really been in thread very much other than just to chill, so we had no reads on basically any of the thread, nor any reason that we saw that it was necessary to change our votes.

You framing the lack of changing our vote in the context of both our ISO and the game as "opportunistic" and "ignorant" is opportunistic and does not feel like a real, logical claim to me.
~

-Light

The bolded is the only information in this post that really responds to the prod in any way that even slightly refutes the claims made. The rest of it either agrees with the argument made against you, or pushes back, blaming the accusor for your faults. This post is garbage and the fact that no one has picked this up or responded to this in any way yet is surprising to me.

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The way you excuse your shitty play with "we just want to chill, we didn't have reads on any one, and the fact that the wagon was at L-2 on a person we had no read on make it ok for us to leave our RVS vote there" is really bad.

And then you try and make it look like the claim against you is ridiculous and unfounded.

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I don't think i've seen Alisae get so defensive when attacked like that. They seemed to be a bit taken back by Enter's sudden aggressiveness.

~by defensive what exactly do you mean
I know I've seen Ali push back hard and aggressively when they get pushed

also is being defensive AI in your opinion, if you've never seen it before?

-Light

This, for example, is a post that you made only a couple posts before Kerset voted for you where you seem to be defending Ali, but your vote is maintained there.

Yet, when pushed, your excuse is not that you didn't know your vote was there, but instead that you weren't actually playing the game, you were just chilling, you didn't expect anyone to get lynched. When pushed, your response is that the person pushing you is being scummy.

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RCE, thoughts on Light and L?

(I'd like to add an addendum that if both of us would like to vote someone, we can agree w/o rolling)

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To be honest, I get the hesitation around Chemist, but you'll have to forgive me for not caring if a player who isn't going to play and won't replace out expects to make it anywhere. The worst and most disgusting way to lose is to someone who didn't play at all.

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Chemist will put in the effort if it's at a point where he needs to play, a time where he needs to make an important decision on the lynch, for example. I wouldn't be worried about that.

Just, unfortunately I think being mislynched isn't a point where he sees he needs to play

He didn't the last game I was in. I imagine he has in a game he was in w/ you?

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I've only played w/ him once before but I haven't seen him put in effort yet.

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~Yes, I very much am pushing back on Kerset for stating that leaving our vote on a person who was at L-2 is "opportunistic" given the context. As I stated in the post if you were to look carefully. And if you were to read further into Kerset's response to us, they gave no justification of the fact that we should have been worried about a quick hammer, except for that AFTER their vote, RCE said "I will quick hammer if put to L-1"

Nothing here is relevant to the argument made here except to show that you don't understand the argument made here.

something that occurred post-vote is what Kerset used as justification, which shows a lack of proper justification and an opportunistic push within itself. Yes, our hydra left our vote on someone at L-2. that is objective fact.

The motivation applied to that action by Kerset, as "opportunistic ignorance" is opportunistic given, once again, the context and approach that we have taken. ~

-Light

I don't think you understand that you're strengthening the argument against you. For you to argue that Kerset is being opportunistic by pointing out that you're being scummy, you admit that you're being scummy. Additionally, pointing out that people are doing scummy things isn't opportunistic, it's something town should do when they don't necessarily have a read on a person.

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The way you excuse your shitty play with "we just want to chill, we didn't have reads on any one, and the fact that the wagon was at L-2 on a person we had no read on make it ok for us to leave our RVS vote there" is really bad.

And then you try and make it look like the claim against you is ridiculous and unfounded.

~I never said, "we just want to chill," I stated that, at the time of the wagon, neither me or my hydra partner had any active involvement in the thread, actively making reads and scum hunting.

We're gonna pretend you didn't make the post I quoted earlier, then?

It was simply a day or so into the game itself, and we both felt like just relaxing upon entry, and not immediately start trying to game solve. This does not imply that we are going to "chill" or "not read anyone" for the rest of the game.

Nobody's accusing you of being scum for these things.

It is not "shitty play" to simply attempt and enjoy the game for the first 24 hours of day 1, instead of going full out try hard mode, which is no fun at all, and there is simply no reason to try hard that early in the game.

No one is saying that this is shitty play, either.

The claim against us is ridiculous,

The claims you're saying are being made against you are ridiculous, but given the fact that no one but yourself is making those claims, this statement is a bit stupid.

and I am showing how it looks with all the evidence put on the table.

No, you're not.

They are calling us out for being OPPORTUNISTIC about leaving a vote on someone at L-2,

Yes, they are. And yes, it is.

with no understanding or realization of the thread-state itself, which takes away any foundation that their read has. ~

-Light

This is incorrect, and I have quoted evidence to the contrary.

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I don't think i've seen Alisae get so defensive when attacked like that. They seemed to be a bit taken back by Enter's sudden aggressiveness.

~by defensive what exactly do you mean
I know I've seen Ali push back hard and aggressively when they get pushed

also is being defensive AI in your opinion, if you've never seen it before?

-Light

This, for example, is a post that you made only a couple posts before Kerset voted for you where you seem to be defending Ali, but your vote is maintained there.

Yet, when pushed, your excuse is not that you didn't know your vote was there, but instead that you weren't actually playing the game, you were just chilling, you didn't expect anyone to get lynched. When pushed, your response is that the person pushing you is being scummy.

~I am not of the same mind as my partner. As of now, we have not communicated much, and frankly, I had no idea where our vote was, if our vote was anywhere,

None of this was said earlier and now it just seems like an excuse, given that you attacked Kerset before you explained that you were just playing ignorantly and that you're not responsible for your ignorance.

nor did I have any reads at the time of posting that MADE ME want to vote someone.

This is exactly the point Kerset's making. If this statement is true, why didn't you move your vote? I'm aware of your ignorance above, I'm simply explaining why this statement in no way justifies your responses here.

I am not going to "take away" a vote that at the time of me being in thread, I didn't know was there.

See above.

was I ignorant of my hydra's vote? Yes, perhaps I was ignorant.

If you weren't, it was wolfy.

Is it wolfy, or unexpected, that I would NOT change a vote that I am ignorant of? no, and framing it as such in an "opportunistic" mindset is the issue here.

No one is claiming you're being opportunistic for being ignorant. In fact, the argument made against you is that you WEREN'T ignorant, and given the fact that you didn't say anything about not knowing the vote was there until I suggested otherwise, this claim seems a bit faked.

I'm not framing your vote as opportunistic contrary to your ignorance, I'm explaining that it's the only feasible option given the likelihood that you weren't ignorant.

Yes, after the fact of being pushed, and discussing a bit with my hydra partner, I did realize the vote was there, which is why it is not the "ignorant" part that I am pushing back on, but rather the claim of being "opportunistic"

This is excuse for shitty play.

I also was not worried about the vote count, for the reason that I'm not worried about a quick hammer.

This is one reason why this is scummy.

If there was fear of a quick hammer, I would expect there to be some commotion in the thread about people taking off votes and/or SPECIFIC requests to take off votes; and yet, there was nothing.

And still you maintained your vote there with absolutely no read on the person you had your vote on.

So, Ignorant? Perhaps.

I think you think she's saying you're ignorant of your vote. And I think she's saying you're pretending to be ignorant of the fact that the person you have absolutely no read on (and are even defending) is at L-2. If she isn't saying it, I am.

Framing it as opportunistic? no.

-Light

wut

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To be honest, I get the hesitation around Chemist, but you'll have to forgive me for not caring if a player who isn't going to play and won't replace out expects to make it anywhere. The worst and most disgusting way to lose is to someone who didn't play at all.

I've only played w/ him once before but I haven't seen him put in effort yet.

~You think that after simply playing with Chemist once you have a good idea of the amount of effort chemist will/is willing to put into a game is indicative of the effort of every game?

Nope.

Given the confidence of the first post, you seem like you have knowledge of Chemist's meta,

If that's what you drew here, you're jumping to conclusions a bit too quickly for my taste.

confidently stating "IF a player who isn't going to play and won't replace out expects to make it anywhere"

This statement is based off Chemist's shown disinterest in this game. You're grossly misinterpreting if you've got something else.

People play differently in different games, and having only one game of experience of someone should not be enough for you to obtain such "confident" meta on someone.

I agree.

One game is not a productive use of evidence with someone like chemist,

I agree.

who probably has 90+ games under his belt. ~

-Light

Not on this site he doesn't.

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You voted for Y&T early in the game. Or your partner did. We can't tell, because the vote post wasn't signed, but there are many many posts by your hydra afterwards. You should have been very much aware of the vote placed by your partner if you didn't place it, especially given the vote was on page 4, and the last post by you before you were voted was page 16, with you signing several significant posts over a relatively large span of time across that. Additionally, it was a day and 7 hours later. If by that point at a rate of constant activity you failed to realize your vote had been placed by your partner, that's on you. Additionally, there is no way for the thread to know the situation was as it was, yet you took the opportunity to try and spin this into Kerset being scummy in some way.

Spoiler: A long list of posts that prove my point

Also

/vote Yshtola

You know what youve done.

Damn it... it's sickening. Every single one of them...I'd do society a favor by killing them.

And I... will become the god of this new world.


-Light

Hydras, please sign.

But I can... I can do it!

-Light

Hydras, please sign.

:furretgun:

~I request that you use this emote as your signature from this point on please


-Light

I just watched I Don't Want to Get Hurt, so I'll Max Out My Defense recently. Was very good.

-Tataru

Definitely one of the better shows last season yeee
Did somebody pick Maple?

The best show of last season was Ishuzoku reviewers. If someone picked character from it then they are legend.

This world... is rotten.

-Light

Hydras, please sign.

:furretgun:

~I request that you use this emote as your signature from this point on please


-Light

I THINK I WILL SIGN MY POSTS BY BREAKING MY CAPS LOCK BUTTON

I already have what I want...


-Light

By trying to hard, we put ourselves in greater risks.

So I assume we're still going to just massclaim flavor?
Literally no reason not to do it now

I would agree to this proposition in order to see the name and face of who picked the filth that is our rotten role.

-light

So I assume we're still going to just massclaim flavor?
Literally no reason not to do it now

I would agree to this proposition in order to see the name and face of who picked the filth that is our rotten role.

-light

We already know who did the deed. It is more that we need to see them brought to justice for the injustice that has befallen us.

We got the fake loli from the suckiest season of SAO

the only description was when the gun got a weird ass personality and blushed at the camera for 0 reason

like what.

Give me a second while I remove this criminal filth from this world


-light

Any fool can figure it out if someone is just "eliminating the bad guys." I want the world to know... of my existence! And that there's someone who is passing judgement onto them! Starting with you rotten garbage!

-Light

VOTE: L and Light

Fuck you no one messes with P-chan.

no, the suit case scene is stupid and honestly sets the pace for the entire stupid season

stupid all around

when did my wagon get so much traction? Hmm.

Humans are like that. For example, theres no way that anyone would bring up the topic of killing bad people in homeroom at school. But if someone were to bring it up, everyone would act pious.

-Light

I don't think i've seen Alisae get so defensive when attacked like that. They seemed to be a bit taken back by Enter's sudden aggressiveness.

~by defensive what exactly do you mean
I know I've seen Ali push back hard and aggressively when they get pushed

also is being defensive AI in your opinion, if you've never seen it before?

-Light

[Enter]

legit half of the game isn't playing and the mod didn't check activity overview to send a prod out to adu

I thought they did (but this might have been someone else)

Prodding one player. They have (expired on 2020-04-10 23:29:21) to get back in before they are replaced.

[Enter]

I'm in a very similar place (I wasn't pushing to move the vote now necessarily), but I still think we should add the proposed addendum regardless and it's something I thought of while I was talking to / about L&L

[Enter]

Enter, if you believe L is for Light is so scummy. Why aren't you voting there?

What kind of question is this?

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I don't like either of them. L&L have only committed a single offence and failed to correct, and the players I'm in discussion are still in favor of maintaining Chemist for the time being, so I guess I'm mostly on the fence.

[Enter]

I have a bad tendency to blow things out of proportion and overreact proportional to my actual feeling in mafia. I got it in my head when I was new that it made players uncomfortable and more likely to make themselves easy to read and I haven't broken that habit yet

[Enter]

Mafia, the only game that incentivizes having character flaws

[Enter]

I don't know what you mean by your second to last post.

[Enter]

Maybe. We're also maintaining communication, however.

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That is not what opportunistic means, as a matter of fact. Opportunistic is assigning a false narrative to someone's actions without fully realizing the context of the actions, not calling someone out for something that is objectively scummy. If it was something scummy, then it would not be opportunistic, it would be a valid wolfead.

No. Neither of what you are saying here are the meaning of opportunistic. Opportunistic is taking an opportunity when it's provided to you. In this context it's at the disadvantage of someone else.

You're being simultaneously condescending and wrong, which is funny and also somewhat infuriating

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~
1. we're gonna pretend that you actually read the post and understood that it said "at the time" and it isn't something that prefaces future action, then?

Considering I quoted posts from before that time, yes.

[Enter]

2. Kerset is accusing us of being scum for leaving our vote on someone who was L-2, and to accurately use all of the evidence available, one must look at the circumstances surrounding the actions. So, I am not saying that we are being scum read for those specific reasons, but Kerset's vote implies that our vote was opportunistic, which means that although we didn't want Y&T dead (meaning we think that they are town) and there was someone else we would rather vote, that it was wolfy we didn't change our vote; however, given the thread-state at the time, that conclusion would be false.

No, it wouldn't. Using big words wrong just makes you look stupid, by the way.

[Enter]

~you do realize that basically the only posts I posted by the time of my post in response to Norwee are direct Light quotes, and have 0 game-related impact~

-Light

I quoted posts that prove my point. You can say whatever you'd like here.

[Enter]

Like you trying to deny what I'm saying by saying things that don't oppose what I'm trying to say while I'm quoting definite evidence that proves what I'm trying to say doesn't really get you anywhere

[Enter]

The statement explains that I had no one, at the time of being in thread, who I wanted to vote. Thus, I was not of the mind to change my vote. I think it is pretty clear here.
I didn't vote anyone because there was no one that I wolfread to warrant a vote. I do not see why you think it is scummy to not be worried about a quick hammer when slightly more than a day had passed in the game. I expect Day 1 to take at least 7-ish days, given my normal experience and expectations, so in the early starts of the game I am not worried about votes for anything other than reads.

The vote was not changed BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE I WAS GOING TO VOTE at the time I was in thread.

-light

I agree, and that doesn't oppose anything I say here.

[Enter]

Quality posts, though. It will suck not having dialogue tonight.

[Enter]

A game with 32 pages in 6 days is in no shape or form a stalled game.

Agreed.

[Enter]

I agree. Revealing was a bad idea, and we shouldn't have done it.

[Enter]

I get that my reaction to WD might have been a bit mountain out of molehill earlier, but I have a lot of difficulty looking at these and not thinking they're soooo LAMIST

Mister Turkey when you catch up where's your head at
I was townreading your slot previously so lets talk.

That’s gonna be a few days at best sorry

I do think Enter is town though.

Do we have a list of how the one way neighborhoods go or are we worried that info being public is a bad idea?

I wanted a character massclaim to try to make those communications known to the people who they're relevant to, but also not have that information 100% public to everyone.
Like, the purpose of a flavor massclaim was "ok, so now I know that my hoods go to X and Y."

Is a bad idea to completely chart those out? I don't think so.
Like, I have the information thats relevant to me.
I don't really care about everyone else's hood.

pedit: Gobble that rule was removed

It sounds like a scum role.

VOTE: Chemist

good hammer turkey

nice job hammering town gobble

Oh

What's done is done

I want to point out how Bitmap hydra's wagon stalled after the initial momentum, and it was actively resisted by a few players, it will take a re-read to check who those people are, but one notable one is alisae hydra who shifted the wagon into Chemist. Compared to Bitmap hydra wagon, it started off a bit slower but has a substantial inertia that lead to the lynch

This is gonna flip town and bitmap hydra and alisae hydra are probably wolves coming out of this

waaaaaaaaah
You can’t wagon obvtown
Waaaaaaaaaah

maybe im not as good at reading chemist then I thought I was

[Enter]

Just brush your teeth more.

Have you seen Darling in the Franxx? It's a good show, IMO.

[Enter]

Neither of the kills last night were good ones. I also didn't realize there could be a third party?

[Enter]

I realize the implications of what I just posted but to be honest at this point so much has been lost already, that I just feel kind of defeated

[Enter]

I guess Torque was pretty neutral. Maybe an OK kill.

[Enter]

I guess Torque was pretty neutral. Maybe an OK kill.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't necessarily blame you. Torque posted a bit and I did say he was kinda null in my notes.

[Enter]

Gobble was maybe a good kill, too, actually. I might have been somewhat pocketed there, and if I wasn't I'd probably see him as scummy. I could definitely see him also being a vig kill because of that scummy AF hammer.

[Enter]

What are the odds we have two vigs and mad was roleblocked? Should I even say much more about this?

I'll wait for you to respond before posting more.

[Enter]

*scum not mad

[Enter]

Why claim the kill, then?

[Enter]

Why claim the scummier of the two kills, though?

[Enter]

of the active players, who would you have shot as vig?

[Enter]

Scum!Ank doesn't keep talking here

[Enter]

Scum!Ank isn't confused as to why everyone thinks she's scummy.

Scum!Ank tries to ignore the game when she's under pressure, tries to find literally anything else to focus on

[Enter]

I don't think...

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Maybe I'm wrong again? Scum!Ank does do really scummy things and then pretend they're town, like in that one game where she just came in and harvested immediately.

But she was a lot aggressive about that


@Ank what is your scum play like?
Talk about the thoughts going through your head during FotM

[Enter]

I agree. I think it's likely town indicative, however.

[Enter]

I was actually thinking about that earlier and the way that player has approached the game in this phase and it seems almost contradictory to me.

[Enter]

No one bringing up that scum took a shot on wagon regardless of the vig stuff.

What do you think it means?

[Enter]

Hiraki/Natirasha

Why not?

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VOTE: Wonderful Deceit
Shady from the start to the very end.

Y&T are leaning town for me.

Norwee is still simultaneously town and scum.
Nati is leanscum


Kerset is lean town
RCE is town
L&light are ~
hiraki is lean town

I'm sorry guys i can't focus today

[Enter]

Hey. What are you up to?

[Enter]

Yeah it's a bit of a stupid question


Is there a reason you haven't said much recently?

[Enter]

I don't mind it though, it's one of the few things making me doubt myself and I'm very curious to see where it goes.

[Enter]

I understand. Yeah, you can say stuff like that, it's part of my own recent difficulty as well.

[Enter]

I'm hungry.

[Enter]

Ali, can you discuss Kerset vs Light and L read?

[Enter]

That sounds like a town role.

[Enter]

I hope so

I think?

[Enter]

Actually, that could turn out poorly.

[Enter]

Talking to you like this has been some of the most fun I've had in a mafia game in a while. I feel so much less alone

[Enter]

Yeah it's a bit of a stupid question

No.

[Enter]

My hydras w/ Ank, Taly, Dannflor all involved both partners all the way through.

My hydra w/ Krazy, Ank, and Taly simultaneously also turned out well, I think.

[Enter]

I doubt it.

[Enter]

Y&T can't move their vote.

[Enter]

Could someone explain Kerset/Nati scum reads to me briefly?

[Enter]

Is Torque a Sin Eater?
Is Gobbledygook a Sin Eater?

The investigation must continue, for the Sin Eaters have made their move and we must remain vigilant. The calamity must not come to pass.

~Y'shtola

OMFG i just realized something

[Enter]

Is Torque a Sin Eater?
Is Gobbledygook a Sin Eater?

The investigation must continue, for the Sin Eaters have made their move and we must remain vigilant. The calamity must not come to pass.

~Y'shtola

OMFG i just realized something

Spoiler:

Is Torque a Sin Eater?
Is Gobbledygook a Sin Eater?

The investigation must continue, for the Sin Eaters have made their move and we must remain vigilant. The calamity must not come to pass.

~Y'shtola

gobbledygook died Night 1


Torque died Night 1

[Enter]

scum saw vig crumb and tried to doublekill

scum saw vig crumb and tried to doublekill

But Yshtola and Tataru claimed they shot Torque.

...

[Enter]

They tried to kill the same person as vig shoots (so he doesn't get confirmed) as they expected TT to kill in {Torque, Gobbledygook} but picked wrong one.

[Enter]

Norwee
Kerset Norwee
Norwee Norwee

Scum town
Town lynch dead town

[Enter]

Can we get like an actual wagon going

in response to two votes in an attempt to build a wagon

[Enter]

VOTE: kerset

No.

[Enter]

I don't know that that specifically applies to GiF given his previous condition, but I definitely agree that was quite the catc

[Enter]

I was town reading them, but now I'm doubting. They're definitely not as easy to work with as I'd like. It's far easier to town read more ... proactive players.

[Enter]

I think it can become somewhat obvious what players have what other players in their neighborhoods if you watch the vote counts, and although I know there are times when we aren't voting together, I think players that are simultaneously town and in each other's heads will begin to adopt each other's reads, which makes players that don't have a pair that is voting with them stand out as more likely to be scum, IMO.

[Enter]

I'm not going after Ali. These wagons are trash but if you're forcing me to consolidate, I will.

Unvote, Vote: Kerset

I have liked you up until this post, but this post was particularly bad.

I don't know that anyone has been anywhere near forcing you to consolidate, but based on game state I think it's pretty fair to say that there is plenty of space for you to advocate for your lynch.

[Enter]

L-2

[Enter]

You are rapidly working your way to one of my favorite people on this site.

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Code: Select all

#Light AI secret source code
#version 0.2.11

if post.author == Kerset:
 post("It makes no sense")
else:
 if post.content == opinion_on_someone:
  postRandom("Why do you think that?", Why would that be the case?, Is it just PoE?)
 elif post.content == statement:
  post("I think the other way")
 else:
  return idleState

You are rapidly working your way to one of my favorite people on this site.

[Enter]

Hm. I would associate players who aren't particularly using their PTs w/ being scum, but that excuse seems a bit too straightforward.

[Enter]

I don't know that anyone has been anywhere near forcing you to consolidate, but based on game state I think it's pretty fair to say that there is plenty of space for you to advocate for your lynch.

There were 2 wagons with 3 people on them at that time. I do not want either of them to reach actual consideration for a lynch. Therefore, consolidation was in fact necessary. Call it defense, call it whatever you want.

"Defense" is nowhere near what I'm calling it.

I'm calling it "you had a wagon you were on for a while but did absolutely nothing with, and then without prompting simply decided to move votes claiming no one was joining your wagon"

I'm saying you didn't even try for the wagon you're pretending to have wanted and you haven't provided any reasons for the wagon you're currently on.

[Enter]

I'm calling it "misrepresent me again and this doesn't turn out well for either party"

[Enter]

I'm calling it "we're only halfway through the game day and you haven't put any effort into the other wagon whatsoever."

[Enter]

great

and now my scum reads are voting for each other.

[Enter]

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Yeah, but it was a bit of a gut thing. I'm not sure how solid I am on Norwee atm.

[Enter]

Are you getting a box that is gray around it? I'm not seeing anything other than the man and the outline.

[Enter]

I will admit it doesn't look as good on mafblack as other avatars do, though.

[Enter]

Do you use MafBlack? I personally prefer MafSepia, but I use a different theme for each of my alts/Hydras. Extrapolated Eagle is MafBlack, Tr1ckster is MafSilver, and Miss Lynch is MafTiger (partially because I was running out of themes and partially in protest for how bad MafTiger is).

[Enter]

Yeah, that's how it's going to be. Unfortunately it doesn't look all too good on MafBlack, but it's a .png file so there is no image background - the only part that will show is the man. I think it looks great on mafSilver and mafSepia though

[Enter]

Fair enough. I've used screen-dimmers and the like for that before, but I also try not to do mafia too much at night (with varying rates of success) because it then cuts into my real life - I end up getting in a 1v1 with someone and then not sleeping because I'm waiting for response and then I don't sleep and then I'm irritable the next day and I try to not let mafia hit my real life too hard

[Enter]

Lol. To be fair, I'm in a similar position. We should get every player in this game to do that and then the game will actually just die.

[Enter]

great

and now my scum reads are voting for each other.

~who are you scum reading~

-Light

norwee and alisae are the two referred to in the post mentioned

[Enter]

VOTE: Norwee

[Enter]

Strong Town:

Me
Enter

L and Light
Alisae

Lighter Town:
Kerset
Nati

-Tataru

~what's your read on Enter?~

-Light

[Enter]

UNVOTE:

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I recognize what you're saying here.

How it happened in my head (before I read your post) is: Mod makes role for the purpose of sending harassing PMs, mod sends role to player w/o informing player of situation, mod sends PMs on regular schedule until player uses ability, player uses ability out of frustration.

I don't know. I do feel like I find myself justifying too often, which is commonly a sign of being wrong. As the game progresses, I begin to sway more and more to your reads. I don't think they've been particularly convincing to be honest, and I'd rather kill and think that it's a good kill than kill and feel that it's a good kill. I don't necessarily feel good about this one, but I think we make it a lot farther if we follow through, if that makes any sense.

[Enter]

Again, w/ the other two players - if you look at their openings, they're very townie, but then you watch their actions and they quickly fall off that spectrum. I fear falling to my biases at this point, but it's becoming a PoE situation. There's the lunches I often feel pretty good on and then the ones that I think will follow well logically, and they're conflicting again, like they do every game. I honestly don't like and I don't want to take responsibility for it, but I fear that my own lack of aggression is what's causing this game to be so stale. (Or maybe it's only stale from my PoV and everyone else is doing fine?) I might be anchoring too much to you and relying on you too much for perspective, but I feel like it helps a lot.

[Enter]

At this point I'd prefer to simply lynch in the trio you mentioned earlier and move from there. I think I'm approaching analysis paralysis at breakneck speed.

[Enter]

@RCE, I apologize, I completely forgot about our votes changing together. I'll move back to Natirasha if you'd like, but Kerset mentioned that she won't be the lynch today due to Hiraki and Alisae, so I'd prefer to put my vote there.

I'm more than willing to discuss my reads on those players (if you'd be willing to put the time in to share your input).

[Enter]

and I get that you think that mostly because I'm not really putting any effort into the game when I should be, but honestly, I kind of just can't bring the energy to tryhard in the mafia game.
I think Norwee has in general played a scummy day this phase and has in general been just constantly shading everything he could w/o really putting effort into the game itself.

Like, I don't think I could seriously say to myself that Norwee is trying to solve a mafia game.

Not that I disagree w/ you on Norwee, but could you say the same about Nati?

[Enter]

@RCE, I apologize, I completely forgot about our votes changing together. I'll move back to Natirasha if you'd like, but Kerset mentioned that she won't be the lynch today due to Hiraki and Alisae, so I'd prefer to put my vote there.

I'm more than willing to discuss my reads on those players (if you'd be willing to put the time in to share your input).

All good. I tried to talk to Alisae about their wagon but don't think they got back to me on that so that triangle is still unresolved and will probably stay that way. I figured the Natirasha wagon would be face some turbulence, it's generally tough to get scum lynched without any partners flipped beforehand. Or a guilty I guess.

I do want you to brief me on your Norwegian read though. I feel like this wagon has weak legs to begin with but I was already townreading Norwegian.

He seems to take the back seat to a lot of pushes, doesn't really call anything his own - he doesn't seem to want responsibility for any of his aggression and his vote goes everywhere someone else's read is

I'm cool with nati or Y&T today.

I'm still not interested in touching Y&T, but I'm increasingly interested in a Nati lynch.

[Enter]

ugh.

Hiraki vs Norwee makes Hiraki look super bad
and I don't like that Alisae is on Norwee either

[Enter]

~I believe that the swingy-ness of the votes is actually town indicative for Hectic here~

Somewhat agree.

is it hectic-specific thing?

why would swingy-ness be town indicative?

I have never played with Hectic before, so no its not specific to Hectic.

I think its town-indicative because it basically shows like, a lack of agenda and a loose play style, and while its possible that Hectic is scum who is just flopping votes everywhere, I think the willingness to put yourself out there and vote a bunch of different players and a bunch of different wagons just like, on a whim is more likely to be town who is trying to clear like, PoE or scum reads rather than a wolf who is pushing an agenda. ~

-Light

You don't think that being willing to put your vote in more places is more implicative of a person being more open to who is lynched, die to having a wider variety of lynched that will achieve a positive outcome?

[Enter]

He seems to take the back seat to a lot of pushes, doesn't really call anything his own - he doesn't seem to want responsibility for any of his aggression and his vote goes everywhere someone else's read is

My issue with this is that it was a lie when it was first brought up and still is.

Norwegian was the first defense of Y&T,

No, he wasnt. That was me.

first to suggest leashing in thread, pushed Gif on day 1 ending.

Great. Where does leashing get us?
Also him pushing lurkers at day end isn't exactly revolutionary, is it?

Pushed Alisae on their stance towards Y&T being sk.

Yeah, behind several other players.

[Enter]

Alright, I see your point. The slot still feels scummy to me, but less so in a way. At the very least we agree on Nati, and I'd be willing to at least push Hectic at the moment.

[Enter]

says the player with their vote on RCE

[Enter]

Wonderful Deceit, early day 1 - a wagon I will still support, BTW. L& Light, about halfway through day 1. Opening w/o accusing Y&T for being scum.

Are you implying you don't think Norwee feels scummy either?

[Enter]

Alright. To be fair I don't really feel comfortable with at least two of the players with their votes their anyways.

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VOTE: Alisae [/vote]

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VOTE: Alisae

Ebwop

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...

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VOTE: Natirasha

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Kerset was the voice in my head.

All they talked about was how Nati was scum and we had to kill Ali/Hiraki to get to them.

Often as scum you kill people who are coming after specifically you because "refuge in audacity" and town doesn't really notice because most players only notice posts that directly reference themselves.

I noticed because it was all Kerset could talk about .

FOr that reason I'mm going after Nati. I don't think Hectic/Titus is necessarily a bad wagon, but Nati is ag good one.

[Enter]

Also, I wasn't derp-wagoning Alisae, I had a legitimate scum read on them. For that reason, i think you should sheep me.

RCE request you roll. I feel pretty confident about this.

[Enter]

Nati is the attempted but failed mislynch so they bussed Ali instead.

Nati wasn't lynched because Ali refused to vote for Nati.
So your argument is that Ali would rather that they die than town?

[Enter]

Nati is the attempted but failed mislynch so they bussed Ali instead.

Nati wasn't lynched because Ali refused to vote for Nati.
So your argument is that Ali would rather that they die than town?

[Enter]

"joined august 25, 2019"

This is unfortunately relevant less often than it should be.

[Enter]

I get the point of listening to every viewpoint, but when someone insists on 2+2 being equal to 5, you allow them to say so and then ignore them. I've thought EE was scummy for a while now, but still fail to find any of Titus' points particularly valid.

[Enter]

I think Nati is the obvious lynch for today, and from there we work from whoever the night kill is.

[Enter]

Nati do you have reads.

Who reads. I don't think Titus is scum, if that's something. Y&T probably aren't either. I'd shy away from the Death Note hydra too. I think you're more likely scum than not, but there ain't no hurry.

This post poses stark contrast to the town!Nati in my head

[Enter]

I'm ok with you hammering. I'm also ok with Hiraki dying. It would not surprise me if it was as easy as Nati/Ali/Hiraki

[Enter]

What input?

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VOTE: EE

I blocked EE.

There was no kill last night.

Can we lynch this now please?

Ok sure.

VOTE: Norwee

-Tataru

nice

-L and Light

...

Do we care about time or does it matter if we kinda just fast roll this game and quicklynch at this point?

-Light

...

[Enter]

I'm gone tomorrow. I would not be disappointed to return to find Norwee lynched.

[Enter]

Sorry - let me add a little more to that. People who do that and aren't

immediately

modkilled?

You're allowed to claim scum as town. I do it pretty regularly. You're also allowed to claim scum as scum. You just can't claim scum with a partner.

I've never seen someone modkilled for claiming scum.

[Enter]

if nati was scum there should only be like one scum left, right?

why can't it just be norwee?

[Enter]

i guess we should kind of fail conservative hmm

[Enter]

I am Subaru from Re:Zero, and I'm a bad lynch today.

[Enter]

VOTE: Hiraki

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I'm willing to lynch in L&Light and Hiraki today, but given L&Light's claim I'd rather lynch Hiraki and then have L&Light target RCE tonight. Y&T are effectively conftown, IMO, given the status of Titus' PT. It's unfortunately very difficult to work around L&Light's claim since scum have to want to target them for it to return any form of positive result.

[Enter]

do you think a scum roleblocker is unlikely given the fact that they already have a pgo